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Ej_
47656 Posts
On May 09 2015 03:08 sharkie wrote: Zergs have always been going vipers, colossus/hts was pretty common vs roach/hydra/viper why not anymore is what I am asking because they started getting trashed, that's why herO said you don't need collossi, so why make them? they are good but not worth-being-abducted good | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
On May 09 2015 03:08 sharkie wrote: Zergs have always been going vipers, colossus/hts was pretty common vs roach/hydra/viper why not anymore is what I am asking They used to get them because every zerg would get swarm host sooner or later. | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On May 09 2015 03:08 Circumstance wrote: Wax had better make an "Ultras into lose" comment. no, he's not that cruel | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On May 09 2015 03:08 sharkie wrote: Zergs have always been going vipers, colossus/hts was pretty common vs roach/hydra/viper why not anymore is what I am asking They're so expensive but they lose utility without Zerg going swarmhosts. | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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Penev
28536 Posts
On May 09 2015 03:08 sharkie wrote: Zergs have always been going vipers, colossus/hts was pretty common vs roach/hydra/viper why not anymore is what I am asking To be more exact: HT + Immortal better against Viper + Ultra which is the way to go after the patch | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
On May 09 2015 03:10 CruelZeratul wrote: With a mostly Blink-Stalker + Archon army, why not research shields over armor? When you blink back Stalkers you have only taken shield dmg anyway with good micro and Archons obviously don't really benefit from armor at all. In fact, people get shields most of the times. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18762 Posts
On May 09 2015 03:08 Ej_ wrote: because they started getting trashed, that's why herO said you don't need collossi, so why make them? they are good but not worth-being-abducted good herO also lost both times vs Soulkey when it went to lategame Zergs just overrun zealot/stalker/immortal/templars with pure numbers... | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On May 09 2015 03:08 sharkie wrote: Zergs have always been going vipers, colossus/hts was pretty common vs roach/hydra/viper why not anymore is what I am asking Because Templar/Immortal is just stronger and more versatile and without Swarm Hosts you don't need the consistent damage output. | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On May 09 2015 03:10 CruelZeratul wrote: With a mostly Blink-Stalker + Archon army, why not research shields over armor? When you blink back Stalkers you have only taken shield dmg anyway with good micro and Archons obviously don't really benefit from armor at all. I get shields after attack in PvZ! I feel very smart for it. | ||
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On May 09 2015 03:08 sharkie wrote: Zergs have always been going vipers, colossus/hts was pretty common vs roach/hydra/viper why not anymore is what I am asking Because Zerg have gotten a lot better in the later stages of the game so Protoss want to stunt their economic/tech growth with scary 3 base Blink pressure. Going Colossi lets Zerg get away with too much greed. Late Colossi transitions aren't too great because you need them in large numbers to be effective, especially when Zerg can crank out so many Corruptors/Vipers so quickly. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18762 Posts
On May 09 2015 03:11 ZAiNs wrote: Because Zerg have gotten a lot better in the later stages of the game so Protoss want to stunt their economic/tech growth with scary 3 base Blink pressure. Going Colossi lets Zerg get away with too much greed. Late Colossi transitions aren't too great because you need them in large numbers to be effective, especially when Zerg can crank out so many Corruptors/Vipers so quickly. Thank you!!! That's the first post that has made sense. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On May 09 2015 03:10 sharkie wrote: herO also lost both times vs Soulkey when it went to lategame Zergs just overrun zealot/stalker/immortal/templars with pure numbers... he lost on Vaani where Soulkey stole the game and on Iron Fortress which is the best ZvP map in the pool (and also fantastic for roach/hydra) I'd say that herO has a better idea about PvZ than you. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
On May 09 2015 03:11 ZAiNs wrote: Because Zerg have gotten a lot better in the later stages of the game so Protoss want to stunt their economic/tech growth with scary 3 base Blink pressure. Going Colossi lets Zerg get away with too much greed. Late Colossi transitions aren't too great because you need them in large numbers to be effective, especially when Zerg can crank out so many Corruptors/Vipers so quickly. 3 base blink is not the only way to play PvZ, it's just the best way. And lategame PvZ is almost a free win now once you get the endgame composition. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On May 09 2015 03:11 sharkie wrote: Thank you!!! That's the first post that has made sense. Wow the jabs | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On May 09 2015 03:11 CakeSauc3 wrote: PvZ has suddenly become one of my favorite matchups to watch, very surprising how entertaining that game was. high level TvZ is better | ||
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Aiobhill
Germany283 Posts
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