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ReMinD_
Profile Joined May 2013
Croatia846 Posts
March 24 2015 16:33 GMT
#301
Lol MarineKing..
Parting: Well, even I can make better maps than these.
caznitch
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada645 Posts
March 24 2015 16:54 GMT
#302
Ughhh... That MK game actually hurt me. There was a good 2 minutes of pain.
why?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 24 2015 16:56 GMT
#303
seems like Byul vs MK actually got voided on Pinnacle because of irregular live movement
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
March 24 2015 16:58 GMT
#304
On March 25 2015 01:56 Ej_ wrote:
seems like Byul vs MK actually got voided on Pinnacle because of irregular live movement
https://twitter.com/SwoopAE/status/580370332600532992

lmao that game was fishy for sure. MK was so blind.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9439 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-24 17:01:16
March 24 2015 17:01 GMT
#305
On March 25 2015 01:58 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 01:56 Ej_ wrote:
seems like Byul vs MK actually got voided on Pinnacle because of irregular live movement
https://twitter.com/SwoopAE/status/580370332600532992
!@#$%^&* that game was fishy for sure. MK was so blind.


The chances of MKP not seeing the Spine on the minimap is around 0.000001%.

It's very easy to lose on purpose without making it obvious, but unfortunately for MKP Byul went for a cheesy build that was scouted. I am happy to raise the pitchforks here, because there is absolutely no doubt that MKP was paid to lose the game!!!
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
March 24 2015 17:12 GMT
#306
Watching that MK game, I just don't know what to believe...MK either played one of the worst pro matches imaginable (how the fuck did he miss the spine/creep, even if he did why the fuck would you play greedy against a one base Zerg?????? Bunker, siege tank, supply depot by the rocks, no 3rd CC, any of these and he has a chance at holding but NOPE), either that or it was fixed? Either of these reasons would make me super sad....

Just looking at him, he didn't even collapse like he normally does at a tough loss (u know, arms crossed over head on keyboard style), he just looked dead inside, like emotionally drained. He really fucking needs some "mind control" as the Koreans put it, and to be benched for a week or two until (if) he recovers, imo
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
March 24 2015 17:14 GMT
#307
The match was blatantly fixed. There needs to be an investigation/reaction/punishment on this. Looks like the same types of things Savior used to pull back in the day.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9439 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-24 17:17:19
March 24 2015 17:15 GMT
#308
how the !@#$%^&* did he miss the spine/creep, even if he did why the !@#$%^&


Nono, he didn't miss the spine. There is no way you can't miss it, but at the same time he made a build in such a way that he would instadie to an allin, and yes if he had played to win he would just have attacked it with the Reaper....

Looks like the same types of things Savior used to pull back in the day.


I think MKP was just extremely unlucky here. He got into a situation where the only way to lose was to make it apparent he was being matchfixed. Normally losing on purpose is pretty damn easy against pro players. All you gotta do is to have slightly suptimal builds/micro and you die. Here....... all he had to do was to not scout the spine and unfortunately he did.
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
March 24 2015 17:22 GMT
#309
yikes

here i was thinking mk just played too much other games the night prior.. those betting lines though....

sc has it rough enough, its really sad these sorts of things are coming up again
SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
March 24 2015 17:26 GMT
#310
On March 25 2015 02:22 darkscream wrote:
yikes

here i was thinking mk just played too much other games the night prior.. those betting lines though....

sc has it rough enough, its really sad these sorts of things are coming up again


That's actually healthy for the scene. No serious investor is going to touch SC2 any more, at any rate, when games like Dota, LoL, CS:Go, Hearthstone and now even Minecraft draw more eyes than SC2 does.

Like it or not, shady Korean gamblers are better than now viewers at all.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 24 2015 17:29 GMT
#311
On March 25 2015 02:26 SixStrings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 02:22 darkscream wrote:
yikes

here i was thinking mk just played too much other games the night prior.. those betting lines though....

sc has it rough enough, its really sad these sorts of things are coming up again


That's actually healthy for the scene. No serious investor is going to touch SC2 any more, at any rate, when games like Dota, LoL, CS:Go, Hearthstone and now even Minecraft draw more eyes than SC2 does.

Like it or not, shady Korean gamblers are better than now viewers at all.

Wow what a stupid thing to say
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
March 24 2015 17:32 GMT
#312
Rewatching the game now.

MarineKing really looks distracted before the game and during early game. Wolf says "I don't think I've ever seen MarineKing look this way, ever."

At 4:30 youtube time, he's moving his reaper so he gets vision of hatchery. It's possible his camera is located way higher, since that's where his main is, but I have a hard time believing he doesn't see it there.

5:25 youtube time he really should notice, but takes him about 10 more seconds.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19366 Posts
March 24 2015 17:32 GMT
#313
On March 25 2015 02:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 02:26 SixStrings wrote:
On March 25 2015 02:22 darkscream wrote:
yikes

here i was thinking mk just played too much other games the night prior.. those betting lines though....

sc has it rough enough, its really sad these sorts of things are coming up again


That's actually healthy for the scene. No serious investor is going to touch SC2 any more, at any rate, when games like Dota, LoL, CS:Go, Hearthstone and now even Minecraft draw more eyes than SC2 does.

Like it or not, shady Korean gamblers are better than now viewers at all.

Wow what a stupid thing to say

Some people are lucky I don't have a ban hammer of justice.
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feebleFanfare
Profile Joined December 2014
76 Posts
March 24 2015 17:34 GMT
#314
I rewatched the VOD to check something that bothered me the first time I saw it; the observer shows that MarineKing has vision of lots of creep in his main about 5 seconds before MK visibly reacts. Really weird. I really hope there's nothing to it but it does look rather suspicious.
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
March 24 2015 17:55 GMT
#315
On March 25 2015 02:26 SixStrings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 02:22 darkscream wrote:
yikes

here i was thinking mk just played too much other games the night prior.. those betting lines though....

sc has it rough enough, its really sad these sorts of things are coming up again


That's actually healthy for the scene. No serious investor is going to touch SC2 any more, at any rate, when games like Dota, LoL, CS:Go, Hearthstone and now even Minecraft draw more eyes than SC2 does.

Like it or not, shady Korean gamblers are better than now viewers at all.


Wow^^
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-24 18:02:38
March 24 2015 18:01 GMT
#316
So the MarineKing game must be rigged right? Can't believe a progamer doesn't notice this red dot on the minimap for such a long time. And even in the early game when there aren't any distractions. O_o
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 24 2015 18:04 GMT
#317
In this specific case I think It's fair to call it for what it is, this game was fixed. Marineking is just not very good at hiding it since he's such a nervous wreck of a player. This was probably the first time he's done it in a televised match.

Pay on team MVP must be pretty weak for a player of his stature to resort to something like this, but then again after BW nothing surprises me anymore.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-24 18:04:41
March 24 2015 18:04 GMT
#318
Utterly disgusted by MKP, what the actual fuck. Never thought he had it in him. So sad.

On March 25 2015 02:26 SixStrings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 02:22 darkscream wrote:
yikes

here i was thinking mk just played too much other games the night prior.. those betting lines though....

sc has it rough enough, its really sad these sorts of things are coming up again


That's actually healthy for the scene. No serious investor is going to touch SC2 any more, at any rate, when games like Dota, LoL, CS:Go, Hearthstone and now even Minecraft draw more eyes than SC2 does.

Like it or not, shady Korean gamblers are better than now viewers at all.


This may be the stupidest thing I ever read.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 24 2015 18:05 GMT
#319
So does teamliquid plan on making an article about all these fishy actions we had the past few months?
As long as people don't talk about this i doubt anything will change.
I somewhat think TL should cover this and make people aware (that doesn't mean you have to accuse and draw big conclusions, an objective article would be great though)
Nothing will ever change if all the big names are just silent about it
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-24 18:10:57
March 24 2015 18:09 GMT
#320
On March 25 2015 03:04 Dodgin wrote:
In this specific case I think It's fair to call it for what it is, this game was fixed. Marineking is just not very good at hiding it since he's such a nervous wreck of a player. This was probably the first time he's done it in a televised match.

Pay on team MVP must be pretty weak for a player of his stature to resort to something like this, but then again after BW nothing surprises me anymore.


Lol if it was actually fixed then in hindsight the match is hilarious in how MKP fails so hard in trying to fake it. "Okay, I see that spine building on the edge of my minimap... just play it cool... just play it cool... pretend I didn't see it. Oh shit, creep is in my base. Okay. Should I act surprised? Oh shit... I'm not reacting properly... Okay, let's fake some surprise right now! Shit... that was fishy... I reacted like 10 seconds after the creep was clearly in my vision... Uhh... Shit."
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