EPTOn March 26 2015 21:01 TheDwf wrote:
Yeah, in short just the 5040570750307000074th proof that money corrupts everything
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On March 26 2015 20:48 OtherWorld wrote:
-A post by rekrul saying this
facts:
1. illegal sports betting in korea is much bigger than it was during the BW scandal so there is more $ to be earned from throwing matches, pinnacle is just a small piece of the pie
2. everyone in the korean sc2 scene already knows that fixing is rampant in proleague especially among players who don't make much money and aren't good enough to dominate individual leagues (where it definitely happens sometimes as well)
3. sc2 is already suffering in korea as is, them investigating or going public trying to stop it is not only futile with the given industry dynamics, but would also likely destroy sc2 in korea
-A post by Welmu saying that there is basically no way MK didn't throw
-Various progamers (Kane, HuK, etc) saying on community shows that they think MK did throw as well
-Richard Lewis saying on a community show that we're probably facing a "less glamorous" version of the sAviOr scandal
That's all I can think of. Oh yes I forgot that :
We have no idea of the legitimacy of the poster, but I PM'd him and he plans to release the replay if this keeps getting attention and doesn't fall into the darkness like the other voided bets.
On March 26 2015 20:42 TheDwf wrote:
Any recent developments worthy of reading stuff that might anger me?
Any recent developments worthy of reading stuff that might anger me?
-A post by rekrul saying this
facts:
1. illegal sports betting in korea is much bigger than it was during the BW scandal so there is more $ to be earned from throwing matches, pinnacle is just a small piece of the pie
2. everyone in the korean sc2 scene already knows that fixing is rampant in proleague especially among players who don't make much money and aren't good enough to dominate individual leagues (where it definitely happens sometimes as well)
3. sc2 is already suffering in korea as is, them investigating or going public trying to stop it is not only futile with the given industry dynamics, but would also likely destroy sc2 in korea
-A post by Welmu saying that there is basically no way MK didn't throw
-Various progamers (Kane, HuK, etc) saying on community shows that they think MK did throw as well
-Richard Lewis saying on a community show that we're probably facing a "less glamorous" version of the sAviOr scandal
That's all I can think of. Oh yes I forgot that :
On March 26 2015 05:40 duckk wrote:
Yeah I thought the pool was already done for some reason scratch that idea.
However, when marineking checks the gascount he leans in to look either at the gas count specifically or the mini-map to see if there was a hatchery. This makes it possible that he would not have noticed the spine crawler on the minimap, probably should have seen the creep sooner though. Even in this thread knowing byul proxied spines I thought it was a screenshot of an overlord of byuls.(possible if he had vision which on the minimap it would be close enough to assume an overlord because no1 proxies spines there)
As I have stated before I have proxied marinekings gold on overgrowth recently and his reaction was the EXACT same. The only difference was I hit later than byul and he already had 3 bunkers up. His reapers never left his base and he went three cc at the same timing of this game.
Why would he care if there was a hatchery anywhere on the map? With 24 gas and limited income there is no allin a zerg can do that can kill a 3cc terran.
You complain about assumptions yet you are making the assumption that he should know there is a hatchery somewhere. If he knows there cant be speed then he also knows he doesn't need bunkers because reapers can kite every other unit.
On March 26 2015 05:31 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Yeah people in this thread use so many assumptions, it's really disappointing.
I guess people defending him with "misreading the situation" think he doesn't know the most simple pool/hatchery timings.
He absolutely should have known that there has to be a hatch somewhere.
He had two reapers and didn't search for this hatchery at all, why?
Some people then argue, "well he thought it's a one base allin" (that makes no sense, but ok), well why didn't he scout with his reapers then? He still knew there can't be speed yet. He didn't build any bunkers. All of this doesn't add up, this isn't "bad play", this most likely is "bad throwing"
On March 26 2015 05:25 Penev wrote:
No it was not, the pool was late, he scouted that.
On March 26 2015 05:23 duckk wrote:
It is very probable he feared zergling speed, at one point his reapers went to the low ground ( i assume to check for banes morphing and not because he is flustered that he accidentally scouted a proxy spine and has no idea what to do to lose)
Any proxy hatchery or 1 base build will lose to even greedy non ebay terran builds if they are somewhat competent. Marineking should have had his third or a depot started by the rocks is the only suspicious part for me. I would still attribute this to a misread and bad eyesight of marineking.
Also after the dark/san bets being void wouldnt they make the betting lines look less skewed if they were going to fix the match since it will just get canceled anyway?
On March 26 2015 05:15 Wuster wrote:
Even if we ignore the visible crawler.
I'm trying to think of a build where you have 2 reapers and keep them at home for ever.
You go double reaper to scout and put early pressure to keep his early units at home I thought.
If you suspect all-in then reapers are faster than literally every unit at that point of the game and you go look for them no? That's definitely what I see people doing with their hellions.
On March 26 2015 05:08 jinorazi wrote:
i watched it again and yes its a crawler being built.
On March 26 2015 05:05 FFW_Rude wrote:
Observer pointed 3times the crawler in MK vision in the VOD.
Watching it again, MK seemed so destroy..... it was so sad to see. And i don't really like him. it was just sad to see his expression.
On March 26 2015 04:53 jinorazi wrote:
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Tumor, not crawler.
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Tumor, not crawler.
Observer pointed 3times the crawler in MK vision in the VOD.
Watching it again, MK seemed so destroy..... it was so sad to see. And i don't really like him. it was just sad to see his expression.
i watched it again and yes its a crawler being built.
Even if we ignore the visible crawler.
I'm trying to think of a build where you have 2 reapers and keep them at home for ever.
You go double reaper to scout and put early pressure to keep his early units at home I thought.
If you suspect all-in then reapers are faster than literally every unit at that point of the game and you go look for them no? That's definitely what I see people doing with their hellions.
It is very probable he feared zergling speed, at one point his reapers went to the low ground ( i assume to check for banes morphing and not because he is flustered that he accidentally scouted a proxy spine and has no idea what to do to lose)
Any proxy hatchery or 1 base build will lose to even greedy non ebay terran builds if they are somewhat competent. Marineking should have had his third or a depot started by the rocks is the only suspicious part for me. I would still attribute this to a misread and bad eyesight of marineking.
Also after the dark/san bets being void wouldnt they make the betting lines look less skewed if they were going to fix the match since it will just get canceled anyway?
No it was not, the pool was late, he scouted that.
Yeah people in this thread use so many assumptions, it's really disappointing.
I guess people defending him with "misreading the situation" think he doesn't know the most simple pool/hatchery timings.
He absolutely should have known that there has to be a hatch somewhere.
He had two reapers and didn't search for this hatchery at all, why?
Some people then argue, "well he thought it's a one base allin" (that makes no sense, but ok), well why didn't he scout with his reapers then? He still knew there can't be speed yet. He didn't build any bunkers. All of this doesn't add up, this isn't "bad play", this most likely is "bad throwing"
Yeah I thought the pool was already done for some reason scratch that idea.
However, when marineking checks the gascount he leans in to look either at the gas count specifically or the mini-map to see if there was a hatchery. This makes it possible that he would not have noticed the spine crawler on the minimap, probably should have seen the creep sooner though. Even in this thread knowing byul proxied spines I thought it was a screenshot of an overlord of byuls.(possible if he had vision which on the minimap it would be close enough to assume an overlord because no1 proxies spines there)
As I have stated before I have proxied marinekings gold on overgrowth recently and his reaction was the EXACT same. The only difference was I hit later than byul and he already had 3 bunkers up. His reapers never left his base and he went three cc at the same timing of this game.
Why would he care if there was a hatchery anywhere on the map? With 24 gas and limited income there is no allin a zerg can do that can kill a 3cc terran.
You complain about assumptions yet you are making the assumption that he should know there is a hatchery somewhere. If he knows there cant be speed then he also knows he doesn't need bunkers because reapers can kite every other unit.
We have no idea of the legitimacy of the poster, but I PM'd him and he plans to release the replay if this keeps getting attention and doesn't fall into the darkness like the other voided bets.
Yeah, in short just the 5040570750307000074th proof that money corrupts everything
You probably lack some 0s in there though
