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MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
March 11 2015 16:26 GMT
#141
On March 11 2015 21:16 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 21:00 Sakat wrote:
On March 11 2015 17:51 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 14:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 10 2015 18:00 Elentos wrote:
On March 10 2015 13:42 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 10 2015 12:35 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On March 10 2015 12:28 Deathstar wrote:
zest "not even code A" gogh will lose to hydra. Mark my words

so far only you and me believe buddy


ok, if this happens I'm on the Sackofwetmice train

What, saying Zest is a patchtoss which makes no sense at all?


I mean that in a slight tongue in cheek way.

I am going to seriously reevaluate how I view Zest though. He's not a patchtoss, but his position as a top-tier Protoss and player is rapidly dropping and a loss to Hydra would be the tipping point given the prestige of the event.

Zest should bring his A-game

So did I. Nobody in their right mind would think Zest is a patchtoss (it can even be disproven on a factual basis). And I really want Zest to do well, so I hope he prepared well, he had quite a bit of time. If he brings his A game though, he's the only player on his side of the bracket who I definitely see beating herO <.< (Life & INno are more like even matches for herO, not sure about Bbyong as they are teammates).

Well, since the last patch, Zest had some really good placements in tournaments, but, In all those tournaments he placed highly in, he didn't fight many terrans. He beat YoDa (3-0), Polt (2-1) and Bunny (2-0). If we discount IEM Toronto, the only terran he beat was skyhigh, in a best of 1. He lost all other matches against Terrans.

However, He is still doing ok-ish. vs Z though. He should beat Hydra if he brings his A-game. If he faces Innovation in the ro.8, he's out. If Life, still out.

PvT has always been his worst, yeah, so even on his A-game INnoVation would kick Zest straight out. Against Life he has a very small chance of making it, but it's Life, so meh. Zest will very likely drop out in the Ro8. And even if he reached the Grand Finals, which is very unlikely, half of the other bracket consists of Terrans.

LOL, just saying, Zest has a winning record against INnovation:
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=Zest 1658
INnoVation 48&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=
swag_bro
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
Japan782 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-11 17:21:12
March 11 2015 16:31 GMT
#142
Really really easy predictions here:

(T)FanTaSy 0-3 (P)Rain: What can I say? Fantasy, although a God, is absolutely nothing compared to Rain in SC2. Not even close. This will be a blowout and Rain will simply play three straight up macro games and easily win. Rain will just prove to everyone why he is superior to Fantasy. If Fantasy takes a game or two, it will be some mine drop or something.

(P)Zest 3-0 (Z)Hydra: A slumping GSL champion is still better than someone who ditched his own team and country to go play elsewhere. Zest is angry at Hydra for leaving and he, his team and his country will want nothing less than a 3-0 revenge. Zest will prove that people who not only ditch his country but his team will suffer a fate that is worse than losing in the GSL.

(T)Innovation 2-3 (Z)Life: Yes, finally a close game. Life is a better player than Innovation by a long shot. Typical Life will make some mistakes a falter a little bit in series, but overall, he is a better player than Innovation by a long shot. Innovation is in a huge slump right now. He lost in badly in Proleague and has proven that he is an inferior player to Life.

(Z)Dark 3-0 (T)TaeJa: Taeja is definitely not in form right now. He lost in GSL/NSL and has not been active in the tournament scene. He may very well surprise everyone, but I don't think so. Dark is really good right now. Sure he may be slumping since he lost to a slumping Maru, but he should still be better than a slumping Taeja. Who knows though, Taeja's wrists may be good enough to win, but I don't really see this happening.

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Can Fantasy pull some tricks out of his bag and do some fancy micro to beat Rain? Can Hydra show Zest that even ditching your own team and country can make you a better player and win? Can Innovation recover from his slump for even a few days just to beat Life? Has Taeja's wrists recovered enough for him to even stand a change against Dark? We will see at the Intel Extreme Master World Championship Round of 16.

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Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
March 11 2015 16:48 GMT
#143
On March 12 2015 01:26 MiniFotToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 21:16 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:00 Sakat wrote:
On March 11 2015 17:51 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 14:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 10 2015 18:00 Elentos wrote:
On March 10 2015 13:42 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 10 2015 12:35 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On March 10 2015 12:28 Deathstar wrote:
zest "not even code A" gogh will lose to hydra. Mark my words

so far only you and me believe buddy


ok, if this happens I'm on the Sackofwetmice train

What, saying Zest is a patchtoss which makes no sense at all?


I mean that in a slight tongue in cheek way.

I am going to seriously reevaluate how I view Zest though. He's not a patchtoss, but his position as a top-tier Protoss and player is rapidly dropping and a loss to Hydra would be the tipping point given the prestige of the event.

Zest should bring his A-game

So did I. Nobody in their right mind would think Zest is a patchtoss (it can even be disproven on a factual basis). And I really want Zest to do well, so I hope he prepared well, he had quite a bit of time. If he brings his A game though, he's the only player on his side of the bracket who I definitely see beating herO <.< (Life & INno are more like even matches for herO, not sure about Bbyong as they are teammates).

Well, since the last patch, Zest had some really good placements in tournaments, but, In all those tournaments he placed highly in, he didn't fight many terrans. He beat YoDa (3-0), Polt (2-1) and Bunny (2-0). If we discount IEM Toronto, the only terran he beat was skyhigh, in a best of 1. He lost all other matches against Terrans.

However, He is still doing ok-ish. vs Z though. He should beat Hydra if he brings his A-game. If he faces Innovation in the ro.8, he's out. If Life, still out.

PvT has always been his worst, yeah, so even on his A-game INnoVation would kick Zest straight out. Against Life he has a very small chance of making it, but it's Life, so meh. Zest will very likely drop out in the Ro8. And even if he reached the Grand Finals, which is very unlikely, half of the other bracket consists of Terrans.

LOL, just saying, Zest has a winning record against INnovation:
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=Zest 1658
INnoVation 48&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=

That's all pre-patch though. He killed most terrans pre-patch. Post-patch, he played like shit vT.
This time, he would just loose straight up.
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17684 Posts
March 11 2015 16:58 GMT
#144
On March 12 2015 01:31 swag_bro wrote:
Really really easy predictions here:

lol at first I was like "how are these predictions easy?" but then I realized it's swag_bro, every prediction is easy when you're a god like swag_bro
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Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
March 11 2015 16:58 GMT
#145
This LR is beautiful. Thank you Lorning.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
March 11 2015 16:59 GMT
#146
On March 12 2015 01:48 Sakat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 01:26 MiniFotToss wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:16 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:00 Sakat wrote:
On March 11 2015 17:51 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 14:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 10 2015 18:00 Elentos wrote:
On March 10 2015 13:42 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 10 2015 12:35 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On March 10 2015 12:28 Deathstar wrote:
zest "not even code A" gogh will lose to hydra. Mark my words

so far only you and me believe buddy


ok, if this happens I'm on the Sackofwetmice train

What, saying Zest is a patchtoss which makes no sense at all?


I mean that in a slight tongue in cheek way.

I am going to seriously reevaluate how I view Zest though. He's not a patchtoss, but his position as a top-tier Protoss and player is rapidly dropping and a loss to Hydra would be the tipping point given the prestige of the event.

Zest should bring his A-game

So did I. Nobody in their right mind would think Zest is a patchtoss (it can even be disproven on a factual basis). And I really want Zest to do well, so I hope he prepared well, he had quite a bit of time. If he brings his A game though, he's the only player on his side of the bracket who I definitely see beating herO <.< (Life & INno are more like even matches for herO, not sure about Bbyong as they are teammates).

Well, since the last patch, Zest had some really good placements in tournaments, but, In all those tournaments he placed highly in, he didn't fight many terrans. He beat YoDa (3-0), Polt (2-1) and Bunny (2-0). If we discount IEM Toronto, the only terran he beat was skyhigh, in a best of 1. He lost all other matches against Terrans.

However, He is still doing ok-ish. vs Z though. He should beat Hydra if he brings his A-game. If he faces Innovation in the ro.8, he's out. If Life, still out.

PvT has always been his worst, yeah, so even on his A-game INnoVation would kick Zest straight out. Against Life he has a very small chance of making it, but it's Life, so meh. Zest will very likely drop out in the Ro8. And even if he reached the Grand Finals, which is very unlikely, half of the other bracket consists of Terrans.

LOL, just saying, Zest has a winning record against INnovation:
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=Zest 1658
INnoVation 48&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=

That's all pre-patch though. He killed most terrans pre-patch. Post-patch, he played like shit vT.
This time, he would just loose straight up.


By "played like shit" you mean "had trouble with the matchup", just like every other protoss did for a while, right?
You know that kind of thing happens if you get massively nerfed, maps are massively changed in favor of the other race and a widow mine buff removes about half your viable playstyles.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 11 2015 17:05 GMT
#147
On March 12 2015 01:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 01:48 Sakat wrote:
On March 12 2015 01:26 MiniFotToss wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:16 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:00 Sakat wrote:
On March 11 2015 17:51 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 14:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 10 2015 18:00 Elentos wrote:
On March 10 2015 13:42 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 10 2015 12:35 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
[quote]
so far only you and me believe buddy


ok, if this happens I'm on the Sackofwetmice train

What, saying Zest is a patchtoss which makes no sense at all?


I mean that in a slight tongue in cheek way.

I am going to seriously reevaluate how I view Zest though. He's not a patchtoss, but his position as a top-tier Protoss and player is rapidly dropping and a loss to Hydra would be the tipping point given the prestige of the event.

Zest should bring his A-game

So did I. Nobody in their right mind would think Zest is a patchtoss (it can even be disproven on a factual basis). And I really want Zest to do well, so I hope he prepared well, he had quite a bit of time. If he brings his A game though, he's the only player on his side of the bracket who I definitely see beating herO <.< (Life & INno are more like even matches for herO, not sure about Bbyong as they are teammates).

Well, since the last patch, Zest had some really good placements in tournaments, but, In all those tournaments he placed highly in, he didn't fight many terrans. He beat YoDa (3-0), Polt (2-1) and Bunny (2-0). If we discount IEM Toronto, the only terran he beat was skyhigh, in a best of 1. He lost all other matches against Terrans.

However, He is still doing ok-ish. vs Z though. He should beat Hydra if he brings his A-game. If he faces Innovation in the ro.8, he's out. If Life, still out.

PvT has always been his worst, yeah, so even on his A-game INnoVation would kick Zest straight out. Against Life he has a very small chance of making it, but it's Life, so meh. Zest will very likely drop out in the Ro8. And even if he reached the Grand Finals, which is very unlikely, half of the other bracket consists of Terrans.

LOL, just saying, Zest has a winning record against INnovation:
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=Zest 1658
INnoVation 48&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=

That's all pre-patch though. He killed most terrans pre-patch. Post-patch, he played like shit vT.
This time, he would just loose straight up.


By "played like shit" you mean "had trouble with the matchup", just like every other protoss did for a while, right?
You know that kind of thing happens if you get massively nerfed, maps are massively changed in favor of the other race and a widow mine buff removes about half your viable playstyles.

If we listen to some people Zest is literally Zoun in terms of skill but got lucky enough to win Code S, make the Ro8 twice, win two other Korean Premier and be second at one of the most stacked IEM of the year. It's slightly annoying, I don't recall any player getting that much hate except FlaSh and JaeDong >.>
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 11 2015 17:09 GMT
#148
On March 12 2015 02:05 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 01:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 12 2015 01:48 Sakat wrote:
On March 12 2015 01:26 MiniFotToss wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:16 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:00 Sakat wrote:
On March 11 2015 17:51 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 14:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 10 2015 18:00 Elentos wrote:
On March 10 2015 13:42 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
[quote]

ok, if this happens I'm on the Sackofwetmice train

What, saying Zest is a patchtoss which makes no sense at all?


I mean that in a slight tongue in cheek way.

I am going to seriously reevaluate how I view Zest though. He's not a patchtoss, but his position as a top-tier Protoss and player is rapidly dropping and a loss to Hydra would be the tipping point given the prestige of the event.

Zest should bring his A-game

So did I. Nobody in their right mind would think Zest is a patchtoss (it can even be disproven on a factual basis). And I really want Zest to do well, so I hope he prepared well, he had quite a bit of time. If he brings his A game though, he's the only player on his side of the bracket who I definitely see beating herO <.< (Life & INno are more like even matches for herO, not sure about Bbyong as they are teammates).

Well, since the last patch, Zest had some really good placements in tournaments, but, In all those tournaments he placed highly in, he didn't fight many terrans. He beat YoDa (3-0), Polt (2-1) and Bunny (2-0). If we discount IEM Toronto, the only terran he beat was skyhigh, in a best of 1. He lost all other matches against Terrans.

However, He is still doing ok-ish. vs Z though. He should beat Hydra if he brings his A-game. If he faces Innovation in the ro.8, he's out. If Life, still out.

PvT has always been his worst, yeah, so even on his A-game INnoVation would kick Zest straight out. Against Life he has a very small chance of making it, but it's Life, so meh. Zest will very likely drop out in the Ro8. And even if he reached the Grand Finals, which is very unlikely, half of the other bracket consists of Terrans.

LOL, just saying, Zest has a winning record against INnovation:
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=Zest 1658
INnoVation 48&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=

That's all pre-patch though. He killed most terrans pre-patch. Post-patch, he played like shit vT.
This time, he would just loose straight up.


By "played like shit" you mean "had trouble with the matchup", just like every other protoss did for a while, right?
You know that kind of thing happens if you get massively nerfed, maps are massively changed in favor of the other race and a widow mine buff removes about half your viable playstyles.

If we listen to some people Zest is literally Zoun in terms of skill but got lucky enough to win Code S, make the Ro8 twice, win two other Korean Premier and be second at one of the most stacked IEM of the year. It's slightly annoying, I don't recall any player getting that much hate except FlaSh and JaeDong >.>

mkp
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 11 2015 17:09 GMT
#149
On March 12 2015 02:09 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 02:05 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 12 2015 01:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 12 2015 01:48 Sakat wrote:
On March 12 2015 01:26 MiniFotToss wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:16 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:00 Sakat wrote:
On March 11 2015 17:51 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 14:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 10 2015 18:00 Elentos wrote:
[quote]
What, saying Zest is a patchtoss which makes no sense at all?


I mean that in a slight tongue in cheek way.

I am going to seriously reevaluate how I view Zest though. He's not a patchtoss, but his position as a top-tier Protoss and player is rapidly dropping and a loss to Hydra would be the tipping point given the prestige of the event.

Zest should bring his A-game

So did I. Nobody in their right mind would think Zest is a patchtoss (it can even be disproven on a factual basis). And I really want Zest to do well, so I hope he prepared well, he had quite a bit of time. If he brings his A game though, he's the only player on his side of the bracket who I definitely see beating herO <.< (Life & INno are more like even matches for herO, not sure about Bbyong as they are teammates).

Well, since the last patch, Zest had some really good placements in tournaments, but, In all those tournaments he placed highly in, he didn't fight many terrans. He beat YoDa (3-0), Polt (2-1) and Bunny (2-0). If we discount IEM Toronto, the only terran he beat was skyhigh, in a best of 1. He lost all other matches against Terrans.

However, He is still doing ok-ish. vs Z though. He should beat Hydra if he brings his A-game. If he faces Innovation in the ro.8, he's out. If Life, still out.

PvT has always been his worst, yeah, so even on his A-game INnoVation would kick Zest straight out. Against Life he has a very small chance of making it, but it's Life, so meh. Zest will very likely drop out in the Ro8. And even if he reached the Grand Finals, which is very unlikely, half of the other bracket consists of Terrans.

LOL, just saying, Zest has a winning record against INnovation:
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=Zest 1658
INnoVation 48&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=

That's all pre-patch though. He killed most terrans pre-patch. Post-patch, he played like shit vT.
This time, he would just loose straight up.


By "played like shit" you mean "had trouble with the matchup", just like every other protoss did for a while, right?
You know that kind of thing happens if you get massively nerfed, maps are massively changed in favor of the other race and a widow mine buff removes about half your viable playstyles.

If we listen to some people Zest is literally Zoun in terms of skill but got lucky enough to win Code S, make the Ro8 twice, win two other Korean Premier and be second at one of the most stacked IEM of the year. It's slightly annoying, I don't recall any player getting that much hate except FlaSh and JaeDong >.>

mkp

Hmm I guess he has a place on that list too, yeah.
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
March 11 2015 17:13 GMT
#150
On March 12 2015 01:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 01:48 Sakat wrote:
On March 12 2015 01:26 MiniFotToss wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:16 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:00 Sakat wrote:
On March 11 2015 17:51 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 14:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 10 2015 18:00 Elentos wrote:
On March 10 2015 13:42 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 10 2015 12:35 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
[quote]
so far only you and me believe buddy


ok, if this happens I'm on the Sackofwetmice train

What, saying Zest is a patchtoss which makes no sense at all?


I mean that in a slight tongue in cheek way.

I am going to seriously reevaluate how I view Zest though. He's not a patchtoss, but his position as a top-tier Protoss and player is rapidly dropping and a loss to Hydra would be the tipping point given the prestige of the event.

Zest should bring his A-game

So did I. Nobody in their right mind would think Zest is a patchtoss (it can even be disproven on a factual basis). And I really want Zest to do well, so I hope he prepared well, he had quite a bit of time. If he brings his A game though, he's the only player on his side of the bracket who I definitely see beating herO <.< (Life & INno are more like even matches for herO, not sure about Bbyong as they are teammates).

Well, since the last patch, Zest had some really good placements in tournaments, but, In all those tournaments he placed highly in, he didn't fight many terrans. He beat YoDa (3-0), Polt (2-1) and Bunny (2-0). If we discount IEM Toronto, the only terran he beat was skyhigh, in a best of 1. He lost all other matches against Terrans.

However, He is still doing ok-ish. vs Z though. He should beat Hydra if he brings his A-game. If he faces Innovation in the ro.8, he's out. If Life, still out.

PvT has always been his worst, yeah, so even on his A-game INnoVation would kick Zest straight out. Against Life he has a very small chance of making it, but it's Life, so meh. Zest will very likely drop out in the Ro8. And even if he reached the Grand Finals, which is very unlikely, half of the other bracket consists of Terrans.

LOL, just saying, Zest has a winning record against INnovation:
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=Zest 1658
INnoVation 48&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=

That's all pre-patch though. He killed most terrans pre-patch. Post-patch, he played like shit vT.
This time, he would just loose straight up.


By "played like shit" you mean "had trouble with the matchup", just like every other protoss did for a while, right?
You know that kind of thing happens if you get massively nerfed, maps are massively changed in favor of the other race and a widow mine buff removes about half your viable playstyles.

Absolutely. I'm a little harsh when talking.
But, he did slump more then most other Protosses.
As I stated, and aligulac confirmed, if we discount IEM Toronto he beat only skyhigh.
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
March 11 2015 17:15 GMT
#151
On March 12 2015 02:05 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 01:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 12 2015 01:48 Sakat wrote:
On March 12 2015 01:26 MiniFotToss wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:16 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:00 Sakat wrote:
On March 11 2015 17:51 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 14:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 10 2015 18:00 Elentos wrote:
On March 10 2015 13:42 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
[quote]

ok, if this happens I'm on the Sackofwetmice train

What, saying Zest is a patchtoss which makes no sense at all?


I mean that in a slight tongue in cheek way.

I am going to seriously reevaluate how I view Zest though. He's not a patchtoss, but his position as a top-tier Protoss and player is rapidly dropping and a loss to Hydra would be the tipping point given the prestige of the event.

Zest should bring his A-game

So did I. Nobody in their right mind would think Zest is a patchtoss (it can even be disproven on a factual basis). And I really want Zest to do well, so I hope he prepared well, he had quite a bit of time. If he brings his A game though, he's the only player on his side of the bracket who I definitely see beating herO <.< (Life & INno are more like even matches for herO, not sure about Bbyong as they are teammates).

Well, since the last patch, Zest had some really good placements in tournaments, but, In all those tournaments he placed highly in, he didn't fight many terrans. He beat YoDa (3-0), Polt (2-1) and Bunny (2-0). If we discount IEM Toronto, the only terran he beat was skyhigh, in a best of 1. He lost all other matches against Terrans.

However, He is still doing ok-ish. vs Z though. He should beat Hydra if he brings his A-game. If he faces Innovation in the ro.8, he's out. If Life, still out.

PvT has always been his worst, yeah, so even on his A-game INnoVation would kick Zest straight out. Against Life he has a very small chance of making it, but it's Life, so meh. Zest will very likely drop out in the Ro8. And even if he reached the Grand Finals, which is very unlikely, half of the other bracket consists of Terrans.

LOL, just saying, Zest has a winning record against INnovation:
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=Zest 1658
INnoVation 48&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=

That's all pre-patch though. He killed most terrans pre-patch. Post-patch, he played like shit vT.
This time, he would just loose straight up.


By "played like shit" you mean "had trouble with the matchup", just like every other protoss did for a while, right?
You know that kind of thing happens if you get massively nerfed, maps are massively changed in favor of the other race and a widow mine buff removes about half your viable playstyles.

If we listen to some people Zest is literally Zoun in terms of skill but got lucky enough to win Code S, make the Ro8 twice, win two other Korean Premier and be second at one of the most stacked IEM of the year. It's slightly annoying, I don't recall any player getting that much hate except FlaSh and JaeDong >.>

I'm not a hater, Zest is one of my favourite players, at least my favourite protoss. But still, a slump is a slump.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
March 11 2015 17:22 GMT
#152
On March 12 2015 01:26 MiniFotToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 21:16 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:00 Sakat wrote:
On March 11 2015 17:51 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 14:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 10 2015 18:00 Elentos wrote:
On March 10 2015 13:42 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 10 2015 12:35 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On March 10 2015 12:28 Deathstar wrote:
zest "not even code A" gogh will lose to hydra. Mark my words

so far only you and me believe buddy


ok, if this happens I'm on the Sackofwetmice train

What, saying Zest is a patchtoss which makes no sense at all?


I mean that in a slight tongue in cheek way.

I am going to seriously reevaluate how I view Zest though. He's not a patchtoss, but his position as a top-tier Protoss and player is rapidly dropping and a loss to Hydra would be the tipping point given the prestige of the event.

Zest should bring his A-game

So did I. Nobody in their right mind would think Zest is a patchtoss (it can even be disproven on a factual basis). And I really want Zest to do well, so I hope he prepared well, he had quite a bit of time. If he brings his A game though, he's the only player on his side of the bracket who I definitely see beating herO <.< (Life & INno are more like even matches for herO, not sure about Bbyong as they are teammates).

Well, since the last patch, Zest had some really good placements in tournaments, but, In all those tournaments he placed highly in, he didn't fight many terrans. He beat YoDa (3-0), Polt (2-1) and Bunny (2-0). If we discount IEM Toronto, the only terran he beat was skyhigh, in a best of 1. He lost all other matches against Terrans.

However, He is still doing ok-ish. vs Z though. He should beat Hydra if he brings his A-game. If he faces Innovation in the ro.8, he's out. If Life, still out.

PvT has always been his worst, yeah, so even on his A-game INnoVation would kick Zest straight out. Against Life he has a very small chance of making it, but it's Life, so meh. Zest will very likely drop out in the Ro8. And even if he reached the Grand Finals, which is very unlikely, half of the other bracket consists of Terrans.

LOL, just saying, Zest has a winning record against INnovation:
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=Zest 1658
INnoVation 48&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=

The last game was 9 months ago, things have changed since then. INnoVation has only dropped a single map against a Protoss this year so far.
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
March 11 2015 18:06 GMT
#153
Lorning out did himself this time :O
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Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
March 11 2015 18:07 GMT
#154
Sick OP, even Apollo agrees.



Maximum hyyypeeeeeeee
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4137 Posts
March 11 2015 18:23 GMT
#155
I agree, the gifs and banner are pretty damn sick. What about winner/celebrate gifs from each player? TaejaClap, MC murloc etc.
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MorDka
Profile Joined October 2012
Poland543 Posts
March 11 2015 18:29 GMT
#156
we need more posts so i will say:
HYPE!!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
March 11 2015 18:41 GMT
#157
On March 11 2015 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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On March 11 2015 22:46 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zest on his A-game could beat both Life and Innovation.

Zest, even on his A-game, is weak against Terrans, compared to his other MUs at any rate. He's certainly no PartinG or herO in PvT.


He isn't far behind them in PvT when he's at his best. People like to exaggerate.

"Hi I'm Cure, the guy who will win this tournament, did I tell you about this one time I played Zest in the GSL?"
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 11 2015 18:41 GMT
#158
On March 12 2015 03:41 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:46 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zest on his A-game could beat both Life and Innovation.

Zest, even on his A-game, is weak against Terrans, compared to his other MUs at any rate. He's certainly no PartinG or herO in PvT.


He isn't far behind them in PvT when he's at his best. People like to exaggerate.

"Hi I'm Cure, the guy who will win this tournament, did I tell you about this one time I played Zest in the GSL?"

Olli is just unhappy that Zest isn't even in the top half of the power rank for this tournament
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
March 11 2015 18:43 GMT
#159
On March 12 2015 03:41 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 03:41 Cricketer12 wrote:
On March 11 2015 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:46 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zest on his A-game could beat both Life and Innovation.

Zest, even on his A-game, is weak against Terrans, compared to his other MUs at any rate. He's certainly no PartinG or herO in PvT.


He isn't far behind them in PvT when he's at his best. People like to exaggerate.

"Hi I'm Cure, the guy who will win this tournament, did I tell you about this one time I played Zest in the GSL?"

Olli is just unhappy that Zest isn't even in the top half of the power rank for this tournament

I just thought he was salty HerO isn't here?
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 11 2015 18:43 GMT
#160
On March 12 2015 03:41 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 03:41 Cricketer12 wrote:
On March 11 2015 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:46 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zest on his A-game could beat both Life and Innovation.

Zest, even on his A-game, is weak against Terrans, compared to his other MUs at any rate. He's certainly no PartinG or herO in PvT.


He isn't far behind them in PvT when he's at his best. People like to exaggerate.

"Hi I'm Cure, the guy who will win this tournament, did I tell you about this one time I played Zest in the GSL?"

Olli is just unhappy that Zest isn't even in the top half of the power rank for this tournament

Power Rank?? WHERE???
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