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Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
March 11 2015 12:59 GMT
#121
INno vs Life is at 15-18, and some people don't see it's the biggest rivalry in sc2 since Jaedong vs finals...

I think it's INno's turn to win this time...
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
March 11 2015 13:13 GMT
#122
Zest on his A-game could beat both Life and Innovation.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 11 2015 13:13 GMT
#123
On March 11 2015 21:59 Gwavajuice wrote:
INno vs Life is at 15-18, and some people don't see it's the biggest rivalry in sc2 since Jaedong vs finals...

I think it's INno's turn to win this time...

I guess a lot of people don't really look at it that way cause out of these 33 games only 17 were actually offline.
It's just about the prestige tbh
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
March 11 2015 13:46 GMT
#124
On March 11 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zest on his A-game could beat both Life and Innovation.

Zest, even on his A-game, is weak against Terrans, compared to his other MUs at any rate. He's certainly no PartinG or herO in PvT.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
March 11 2015 14:03 GMT
#125
On March 11 2015 22:46 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zest on his A-game could beat both Life and Innovation.

Zest, even on his A-game, is weak against Terrans, compared to his other MUs at any rate. He's certainly no PartinG or herO in PvT.


He isn't far behind them in PvT when he's at his best. People like to exaggerate.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
March 11 2015 14:15 GMT
#126
On March 11 2015 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 22:46 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zest on his A-game could beat both Life and Innovation.

Zest, even on his A-game, is weak against Terrans, compared to his other MUs at any rate. He's certainly no PartinG or herO in PvT.


He isn't far behind them in PvT when he's at his best. People like to exaggerate.

Well, let's see if he finds back to his A-game and we'll see what happens.
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oufanforever
Profile Joined April 2013
United States51 Posts
March 11 2015 14:26 GMT
#127
On March 11 2015 21:59 Gwavajuice wrote:
INno vs Life is at 15-18, and some people don't see it's the biggest rivalry in sc2 since Jaedong vs finals...

I think it's INno's turn to win this time...

Innovation's record against Life in online matches is much better than offline matches. Despite leading in map wins 18-15, Innovation is 4-6 in series against Life. I think Life is still favored here.
Don't worry, be happy!
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9064 Posts
March 11 2015 14:37 GMT
#128
On March 11 2015 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 22:46 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zest on his A-game could beat both Life and Innovation.

Zest, even on his A-game, is weak against Terrans, compared to his other MUs at any rate. He's certainly no PartinG or herO in PvT.


He isn't far behind them in PvT when he's at his best. People like to exaggerate.


He seems to struggle vs Maru and especially TaeJa is these events. If those two meet again (finals I hope) We'll have a good series. Too bad we have to have Life vs TaeJa first

Flash to be the darkhorse.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 11 2015 14:37 GMT
#129
On March 11 2015 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 22:46 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zest on his A-game could beat both Life and Innovation.

Zest, even on his A-game, is weak against Terrans, compared to his other MUs at any rate. He's certainly no PartinG or herO in PvT.


He isn't far behind them in PvT when he's at his best. People like to exaggerate.


His PvT is above average when he's in form, but it's clearly his vulnerability. I'd say he's considerably behind PartinG and herO.

Look at his 2014 (god Zest mode) stats:

http://aligulac.com/players/1658/results/?after=2014-01-01&before=2014-12-31&event=&race=t&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=HotS&op=

NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-11 14:50:50
March 11 2015 14:50 GMT
#130
On March 11 2015 21:37 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 21:36 Sakat wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:34 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:31 Sakat wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:27 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:22 Sakat wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:16 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:00 Sakat wrote:
On March 11 2015 17:51 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 14:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
[quote]

I mean that in a slight tongue in cheek way.

I am going to seriously reevaluate how I view Zest though. He's not a patchtoss, but his position as a top-tier Protoss and player is rapidly dropping and a loss to Hydra would be the tipping point given the prestige of the event.

Zest should bring his A-game

So did I. Nobody in their right mind would think Zest is a patchtoss (it can even be disproven on a factual basis). And I really want Zest to do well, so I hope he prepared well, he had quite a bit of time. If he brings his A game though, he's the only player on his side of the bracket who I definitely see beating herO <.< (Life & INno are more like even matches for herO, not sure about Bbyong as they are teammates).

Well, since the last patch, Zest had some really good placements in tournaments, but, In all those tournaments he placed highly in, he didn't fight many terrans. He beat YoDa (3-0), Polt (2-1) and Bunny (2-0). If we discount IEM Toronto, the only terran he beat was skyhigh, in a best of 1. He lost all other matches against Terrans.

However, He is still doing ok-ish. vs Z though. He should beat Hydra if he brings his A-game. If he faces Innovation in the ro.8, he's out. If Life, still out.

PvT has always been his worst, yeah, so even on his A-game INnoVation would kick Zest straight out. Against Life he has a very small chance of making it, but it's Life, so meh. Zest will very likely drop out in the Ro8. And even if he reached the Grand Finals, which is very unlikely, half of the other bracket consists of Terrans.

It will probably be Maru in the finals...
I'm hoping for a Maru vs. Life finals, but Innovation will do if Life doesn't make it. I just don't want herO to win lol

herO vs Trap finals plz

Are you for real?
PvP finals?
Does anybody ever want that?
that (P)Trap though...

Can't be worse than ZvZ finals...

PvP always makes for the least disappointing finals, because everyone is ready to be disappointed. While a TvZ finals, for example, has tons of hype around it, and in the end even if there are quality games it will never live up to the hype.
(nah the truth is that I want Trap to win this a la sOs. JAGW darkhorse best darkhorse)

The last IEM had Life vs. Maru, it was a very good finals...
But I can see where you are coming from.

Some would probably say that that last game between Life and Maru didn't live to the hype, given that Maru failed his wall miserably d:
edit : well honestly I'm no PvP überfan but herO vs sOs was very exciting in a strange way. It wasn't great macro games like most StarCraft fans are happy to see, but it was a psychological dismemberment that was pretty unique and interesting to see.

For an article yesterday I tried to count the total time of the finals. It was around 30 minutes real time. So yes it was unique because it can produce discussions and articles but I definitely would have preferred something else. :/
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 11 2015 14:51 GMT
#131
On March 11 2015 23:50 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 21:37 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:36 Sakat wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:34 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:31 Sakat wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:27 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:22 Sakat wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:16 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:00 Sakat wrote:
On March 11 2015 17:51 Elentos wrote:
[quote]
So did I. Nobody in their right mind would think Zest is a patchtoss (it can even be disproven on a factual basis). And I really want Zest to do well, so I hope he prepared well, he had quite a bit of time. If he brings his A game though, he's the only player on his side of the bracket who I definitely see beating herO <.< (Life & INno are more like even matches for herO, not sure about Bbyong as they are teammates).

Well, since the last patch, Zest had some really good placements in tournaments, but, In all those tournaments he placed highly in, he didn't fight many terrans. He beat YoDa (3-0), Polt (2-1) and Bunny (2-0). If we discount IEM Toronto, the only terran he beat was skyhigh, in a best of 1. He lost all other matches against Terrans.

However, He is still doing ok-ish. vs Z though. He should beat Hydra if he brings his A-game. If he faces Innovation in the ro.8, he's out. If Life, still out.

PvT has always been his worst, yeah, so even on his A-game INnoVation would kick Zest straight out. Against Life he has a very small chance of making it, but it's Life, so meh. Zest will very likely drop out in the Ro8. And even if he reached the Grand Finals, which is very unlikely, half of the other bracket consists of Terrans.

It will probably be Maru in the finals...
I'm hoping for a Maru vs. Life finals, but Innovation will do if Life doesn't make it. I just don't want herO to win lol

herO vs Trap finals plz

Are you for real?
PvP finals?
Does anybody ever want that?
that (P)Trap though...

Can't be worse than ZvZ finals...

PvP always makes for the least disappointing finals, because everyone is ready to be disappointed. While a TvZ finals, for example, has tons of hype around it, and in the end even if there are quality games it will never live up to the hype.
(nah the truth is that I want Trap to win this a la sOs. JAGW darkhorse best darkhorse)

The last IEM had Life vs. Maru, it was a very good finals...
But I can see where you are coming from.

Some would probably say that that last game between Life and Maru didn't live to the hype, given that Maru failed his wall miserably d:
edit : well honestly I'm no PvP überfan but herO vs sOs was very exciting in a strange way. It wasn't great macro games like most StarCraft fans are happy to see, but it was a psychological dismemberment that was pretty unique and interesting to see.

For an article yesterday I tried to count the total time of the finals. It was around 30 minutes real time. So yes it was unique because it can produce discussions and articles but I definitely would have preferred something else. :/

I dunno, I like to think that it was karma for using the winner-takes-all format.
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egrimm
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland1201 Posts
March 11 2015 14:59 GMT
#132
(T)FanTaSy 1-3 (P)Rain
(Z)Dark 3-2 (T)TaeJa
(P)Zest 3-2 (Z)Hydra
(T)INnoVation 3-2 (Z)Life
sOs TY PartinG
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
March 11 2015 15:13 GMT
#133
On March 11 2015 23:59 egrimm wrote:
(T)FanTaSy 1-3 (P)Rain
(Z)Dark 3-2 (T)TaeJa
(P)Zest 3-2 (Z)Hydra
(T)INnoVation 3-2 (Z)Life

Mostly agree, but with Life beating INnoVation 3-2
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
March 11 2015 15:20 GMT
#134
Offline form is killing hype? most have negative form.
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-11 15:24:18
March 11 2015 15:23 GMT
#135
On March 12 2015 00:20 Dingodile wrote:
Offline form is killing hype? most have negative form.

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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
March 11 2015 15:25 GMT
#136
it's the jet lag
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
March 11 2015 15:32 GMT
#137
ONE MORE DAY HYPE!
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-11 16:06:29
March 11 2015 16:01 GMT
#138
Nice job on the OP Lornbro
On March 11 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zest on his A-game could beat both Life and Innovation.

Unfortunately Zest is pretty demonstrably not on his A-game right now
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MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
March 11 2015 16:14 GMT
#139
On March 11 2015 22:46 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zest on his A-game could beat both Life and Innovation.

Zest, even on his A-game, is weak against Terrans, compared to his other MUs at any rate. He's certainly no PartinG or herO in PvT.

Last year, Zest beat INnoVation twice, and he has a winning record against him:
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=Zest 1658
INnoVation 48&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=

Dunno about him vs Life though
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-11 16:17:44
March 11 2015 16:16 GMT
#140
(T)FanTaSy 1-3 (P)Rain
(Z)Dark 2-3 (T)TaeJa
(P)Zest 3-1 (Z)Hydra
(T)INnoVation 3-1 (Z)Life

GOGO, Rain, Zest, INnoVation and Taeja show them the power of Protoss and Terran
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