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Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
March 11 2015 18:46 GMT
#161
everyone's talking about the OP but that mysterious epic flashy stuff won't fucking load for me...
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 11 2015 18:47 GMT
#162
On March 12 2015 03:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 03:41 Shellshock wrote:
On March 12 2015 03:41 Cricketer12 wrote:
On March 11 2015 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:46 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zest on his A-game could beat both Life and Innovation.

Zest, even on his A-game, is weak against Terrans, compared to his other MUs at any rate. He's certainly no PartinG or herO in PvT.


He isn't far behind them in PvT when he's at his best. People like to exaggerate.

"Hi I'm Cure, the guy who will win this tournament, did I tell you about this one time I played Zest in the GSL?"

Olli is just unhappy that Zest isn't even in the top half of the power rank for this tournament

Power Rank?? WHERE???

there's no official one. I just meant in the general ones people have been posting. Sorry if I got you too excited
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
March 11 2015 18:50 GMT
#163
Lorning Power Rank:
1. Maru
2. - 16. No one cares
Community News
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 11 2015 18:51 GMT
#164
On March 12 2015 03:50 Lorning wrote:
Lorning Power Rank:
1. Maru
2. - 16. No one cares

Maru isnt even the best terran in this tournament sorry
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-11 18:51:40
March 11 2015 18:51 GMT
#165
On March 12 2015 03:46 Disarmed wrote:
everyone's talking about the OP but that mysterious epic flashy stuff won't fucking load for me...

What browser are you using, and are you on mobile?
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
March 11 2015 18:51 GMT
#166
On March 12 2015 03:51 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 03:50 Lorning wrote:
Lorning Power Rank:
1. Maru
2. - 16. No one cares

Maru isnt even the best terran in this tournament sorry

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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 11 2015 18:52 GMT
#167
On March 12 2015 03:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 03:41 Shellshock wrote:
On March 12 2015 03:41 Cricketer12 wrote:
On March 11 2015 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:46 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zest on his A-game could beat both Life and Innovation.

Zest, even on his A-game, is weak against Terrans, compared to his other MUs at any rate. He's certainly no PartinG or herO in PvT.


He isn't far behind them in PvT when he's at his best. People like to exaggerate.

"Hi I'm Cure, the guy who will win this tournament, did I tell you about this one time I played Zest in the GSL?"

Olli is just unhappy that Zest isn't even in the top half of the power rank for this tournament

Power Rank?? WHERE???


Here:

16. Hydra
15. Fantasy
14. Patience
13. Zest
12. Flash
11. Bbyong
10. Taeja
9. Rain
8. Trap
7. Solar
6. Cure
5. Dark
4. Bogus
3. Maru
2. herO
1. Life
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
KtJ
Profile Joined October 2014
United States3514 Posts
March 11 2015 18:53 GMT
#168

SC2HL's hype video!
"I thought I destroyed my CC but it seemed like the only thing I destroyed was Idra's mentality."
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 11 2015 18:53 GMT
#169
On March 12 2015 03:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 03:41 Shellshock wrote:
On March 12 2015 03:41 Cricketer12 wrote:
On March 11 2015 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:46 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zest on his A-game could beat both Life and Innovation.

Zest, even on his A-game, is weak against Terrans, compared to his other MUs at any rate. He's certainly no PartinG or herO in PvT.


He isn't far behind them in PvT when he's at his best. People like to exaggerate.

"Hi I'm Cure, the guy who will win this tournament, did I tell you about this one time I played Zest in the GSL?"

Olli is just unhappy that Zest isn't even in the top half of the power rank for this tournament

Power Rank?? WHERE???

There's a power rank!?
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 11 2015 18:53 GMT
#170
On March 12 2015 03:47 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 03:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 12 2015 03:41 Shellshock wrote:
On March 12 2015 03:41 Cricketer12 wrote:
On March 11 2015 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:46 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zest on his A-game could beat both Life and Innovation.

Zest, even on his A-game, is weak against Terrans, compared to his other MUs at any rate. He's certainly no PartinG or herO in PvT.


He isn't far behind them in PvT when he's at his best. People like to exaggerate.

"Hi I'm Cure, the guy who will win this tournament, did I tell you about this one time I played Zest in the GSL?"

Olli is just unhappy that Zest isn't even in the top half of the power rank for this tournament

Power Rank?? WHERE???

there's no official one. I just meant in the general ones people have been posting. Sorry if I got you too excited

Damn, i really thought there will be one :D
IIRC there was a promise we get a power rank every other month or so, what happened? ^^
I mean i get that sometimes it just doesn't work out, but at least for me power rankings are one of the most exciting content here on TL :D
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 11 2015 18:54 GMT
#171
On March 12 2015 03:46 Disarmed wrote:
everyone's talking about the OP but that mysterious epic flashy stuff won't fucking load for me...

Try a different browser? I can't see it in safari but it works in firefox and google chrome.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 11 2015 18:55 GMT
#172
On March 12 2015 03:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 03:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 12 2015 03:41 Shellshock wrote:
On March 12 2015 03:41 Cricketer12 wrote:
On March 11 2015 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:46 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zest on his A-game could beat both Life and Innovation.

Zest, even on his A-game, is weak against Terrans, compared to his other MUs at any rate. He's certainly no PartinG or herO in PvT.


He isn't far behind them in PvT when he's at his best. People like to exaggerate.

"Hi I'm Cure, the guy who will win this tournament, did I tell you about this one time I played Zest in the GSL?"

Olli is just unhappy that Zest isn't even in the top half of the power rank for this tournament

Power Rank?? WHERE???


Here:

16. Hydra
15. Fantasy
14. Patience
13. Zest
12. Flash
11. Bbyong
10. Taeja
9. Rain
8. Trap
7. Solar
6. Cure
5. Dark
4. Bogus
3. Maru
2. herO
1. Life


That's actually a pretty good one if you ask me.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 11 2015 19:08 GMT
#173
On March 12 2015 02:15 Sakat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 02:05 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 12 2015 01:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 12 2015 01:48 Sakat wrote:
On March 12 2015 01:26 MiniFotToss wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:16 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 21:00 Sakat wrote:
On March 11 2015 17:51 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 14:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 10 2015 18:00 Elentos wrote:
[quote]
What, saying Zest is a patchtoss which makes no sense at all?


I mean that in a slight tongue in cheek way.

I am going to seriously reevaluate how I view Zest though. He's not a patchtoss, but his position as a top-tier Protoss and player is rapidly dropping and a loss to Hydra would be the tipping point given the prestige of the event.

Zest should bring his A-game

So did I. Nobody in their right mind would think Zest is a patchtoss (it can even be disproven on a factual basis). And I really want Zest to do well, so I hope he prepared well, he had quite a bit of time. If he brings his A game though, he's the only player on his side of the bracket who I definitely see beating herO <.< (Life & INno are more like even matches for herO, not sure about Bbyong as they are teammates).

Well, since the last patch, Zest had some really good placements in tournaments, but, In all those tournaments he placed highly in, he didn't fight many terrans. He beat YoDa (3-0), Polt (2-1) and Bunny (2-0). If we discount IEM Toronto, the only terran he beat was skyhigh, in a best of 1. He lost all other matches against Terrans.

However, He is still doing ok-ish. vs Z though. He should beat Hydra if he brings his A-game. If he faces Innovation in the ro.8, he's out. If Life, still out.

PvT has always been his worst, yeah, so even on his A-game INnoVation would kick Zest straight out. Against Life he has a very small chance of making it, but it's Life, so meh. Zest will very likely drop out in the Ro8. And even if he reached the Grand Finals, which is very unlikely, half of the other bracket consists of Terrans.

LOL, just saying, Zest has a winning record against INnovation:
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=Zest 1658
INnoVation 48&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=

That's all pre-patch though. He killed most terrans pre-patch. Post-patch, he played like shit vT.
This time, he would just loose straight up.


By "played like shit" you mean "had trouble with the matchup", just like every other protoss did for a while, right?
You know that kind of thing happens if you get massively nerfed, maps are massively changed in favor of the other race and a widow mine buff removes about half your viable playstyles.

If we listen to some people Zest is literally Zoun in terms of skill but got lucky enough to win Code S, make the Ro8 twice, win two other Korean Premier and be second at one of the most stacked IEM of the year. It's slightly annoying, I don't recall any player getting that much hate except FlaSh and JaeDong >.>

I'm not a hater, Zest is one of my favourite players, at least my favourite protoss. But still, a slump is a slump.

I was more talking about the general attitude towards Zest than about you specifically. Just look at a PL match LR thread when he loses >.>
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Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
March 11 2015 19:10 GMT
#174
Fantastic lineup. KT fighting!
Flash | Mvp
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
March 11 2015 19:37 GMT
#175
Pashun Rank (the only one that matters)
5-16. who gives a fuck
4. Rain
3. Dark
2. Trap
1. Cure
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 11 2015 19:42 GMT
#176
I automatically disregard the opinions of anyone who spells it pashun
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17684 Posts
March 11 2015 19:44 GMT
#177
On March 12 2015 04:42 Shellshock wrote:
I automatically disregard the opinions of anyone who spells it pashun

it's just his opinyun man
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16008 Posts
March 11 2015 19:46 GMT
#178
On March 12 2015 03:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 03:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 12 2015 03:41 Shellshock wrote:
On March 12 2015 03:41 Cricketer12 wrote:
On March 11 2015 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:46 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 22:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zest on his A-game could beat both Life and Innovation.

Zest, even on his A-game, is weak against Terrans, compared to his other MUs at any rate. He's certainly no PartinG or herO in PvT.


He isn't far behind them in PvT when he's at his best. People like to exaggerate.

"Hi I'm Cure, the guy who will win this tournament, did I tell you about this one time I played Zest in the GSL?"

Olli is just unhappy that Zest isn't even in the top half of the power rank for this tournament

Power Rank?? WHERE???


Here:

16. Hydra
15. Fantasy
14. Patience
13. Zest
12. Flash
11. Bbyong
10. Taeja
9. Rain
8. Trap
7. Solar
6. Cure
5. Dark
4. Bogus
3. Maru
2. herO
1. Life


swap hero and maru and i agree.
Also taeja maybe a bit higher because it's a weekend tournament.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
March 11 2015 20:07 GMT
#179
You know what they should do for bonus hype? Introduce all the players to a theme song of their choosing. Like in wrestling or boxing. Introducing Flash to Immediate Music's Electric Romeo would certainly get the fans to be loud <.<
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 11 2015 20:08 GMT
#180
On March 12 2015 05:07 Elentos wrote:
You know what they should do for bonus hype? Introduce all the players to a theme song of their choosing. Like in wrestling or boxing. Introducing Flash to Immediate Music's Electric Romeo would certainly get the fans to be loud <.<

O'Gaming did that with Iron Squids. It was awesome.
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