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Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
March 12 2015 19:18 GMT
#3461
holy fuck Cs:GO is popular....250k?

Wow.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-12 19:20:49
March 12 2015 19:18 GMT
#3462
On March 13 2015 04:14 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 04:10 Larkin wrote:
On March 13 2015 04:03 Lorning wrote:
Don't get all the upset about the seeding. This shit happens. Life would've probably had to beat INno in a later round anyway.

He should've played better


Yeah, though I think the one shot and you're out format is a little too harsh/detrimental. With a loser's bracket you get a whole other bunch of cool storylines and of course fantastic games. Playing one of the hardest games - arguably one of the hardest possible games in the tournament - in the first round is tough on whichever player that loses, whereas other title challengers get comparatively easy ones.


Yeah, but what other sports' don't have single elimination? I'm really a big fan of these single bracket tournaments!
I think having a loser's bracket also takes the hype and intensity out of day 1 (as well as makes it a degree harder to follow).

I have little to no sympathy for someone who feels it's hard to follow a double elimination tournament. Sure you can try to sell me on intensity of single elimination and I don't dispute that but my god what a terrible circumstance it is that your first round matchup can vary between the reigning GSL champ/world's best Terran and that guy who PvP'd out sOs at a Dreamhack two years ago by the margin of one two rax and that is YOUR ENTIRE TOURNAMENT. Doesn't matter if you are the best Zerg in the world, you got screwed by seeding and there is no way to recover.
On March 13 2015 04:16 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 04:15 Elentos wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks it's questionable that Life, TaeJa, Rain and all the other seeded players that will drop out won't get WCS points for this?


I don't, they qualified for this through other events they already got WCS points for

I don't know if this matters but some of the players got 2014 WCS points for their IEMs and some of them got 2015 WCS points
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 12 2015 19:19 GMT
#3463
On March 13 2015 04:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 04:12 Darkhorse wrote:
blah blah IEM seeding was BS blah blah grats Inno

bla bla it was bla bla deal with it

You know you make a big stink about me being a jerk and here's you being confrontational
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 12 2015 19:19 GMT
#3464
Guys, give it a rest. People lose, even if they are really good. Especially if they play against very good players.

This discussion kind of reminds me about the "WCS Premier players cannot be considered good" thread... Life might be the best or one of the very best players in the world right now, but that doesn't mean tournaments should seed him into finals. If he loses he loses, plain as that.
Time to focus on the other players left. Who is going to stop Winnovation? Maru or herO or some dark horse like Dark or Horse Flash.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-12 19:20:08
March 12 2015 19:19 GMT
#3465
In g5, Life takes a huge engagement at his fourth. At the start of this engagement, Inno is maxed and banking over 1k minerals. Cut to the end of the fight, he's still sitting at 1k minerals and he's down like 30 supply despite the fight looking more or less even. If it were any other player, I'd just assume they failed to macro and be satisfied with that, but this is Innovation, forgetting to build Marines while he's attacking with Marines isn't really a thing that happens to him.

Kaelaris even pointed this out after the fight was over and he looked at the supply and he was like "I'll have to rewatch that game, something weird happened."

If anyone's figured it out or rewatches the series and has a theory, please reply here or PM me, I'm super curious.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 12 2015 19:21 GMT
#3466
On March 13 2015 04:19 Big J wrote:
Guys, give it a rest. People lose, even if they are really good. Especially if they play against very good players.

This discussion kind of reminds me about the "WCS Premier players cannot be considered good" thread... Life might be the best or one of the very best players in the world right now, but that doesn't mean tournaments should seed him into finals. If he loses he loses, plain as that.
Time to focus on the other players left. Who is going to stop Winnovation? Maru or herO or some dark horse like Dark or Horse Flash.

Clearly Fantasy came to play at this tournament.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 12 2015 19:22 GMT
#3467
On March 13 2015 04:19 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 04:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 13 2015 04:12 Darkhorse wrote:
blah blah IEM seeding was BS blah blah grats Inno

bla bla it was bla bla deal with it

You know you make a big stink about me being a jerk and here's you being confrontational

I don't think i said you are a jerk. But i think i interpreted your comment here wrongly (that's why i already edited my reply )
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 12 2015 19:23 GMT
#3468
On March 13 2015 04:21 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 04:19 Big J wrote:
Guys, give it a rest. People lose, even if they are really good. Especially if they play against very good players.

This discussion kind of reminds me about the "WCS Premier players cannot be considered good" thread... Life might be the best or one of the very best players in the world right now, but that doesn't mean tournaments should seed him into finals. If he loses he loses, plain as that.
Time to focus on the other players left. Who is going to stop Winnovation? Maru or herO or some dark horse like Dark or Horse Flash.

Clearly Fantasy came to play at this tournament.

Finally. This is actually pretty exciting.
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
March 12 2015 19:23 GMT
#3469
On March 13 2015 04:18 Disarmed wrote:
holy fuck Cs:GO is popular....250k?

Wow.

nop

500k with the GO TV
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
March 12 2015 19:24 GMT
#3470
On March 13 2015 03:47 swag_bro wrote:
Life throwing game after game after game. He could have easily won if he did not play so greedy and throw away so much of his army. Life is tiers ahead of Innovation in terms of skill, so it is Life's loss more than Innovation's win. Innovation is a very good player, but Life is just better. I am sure that Life is jet lagged and is focusing more on his GSL games than IEM. He can care less about IEM or NSL because GSL is the most prestigious tournament in SC2. If Life cared at all, like Taeja, he would have beaten Dream in NSL and Innovation now.

No excuses, just the truth. Life lost to the time zones, not the player.

User was temp banned for this post.

RIP
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Megafather
Profile Joined February 2015
138 Posts
March 12 2015 19:24 GMT
#3471
Liking single elimination brackets instead of double seems entirely normal. Don't people love those Saw movies? The human mind is an abyss.
KtJ
Profile Joined October 2014
United States3514 Posts
March 12 2015 19:25 GMT
#3472
On March 13 2015 04:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:47 swag_bro wrote:
Life throwing game after game after game. He could have easily won if he did not play so greedy and throw away so much of his army. Life is tiers ahead of Innovation in terms of skill, so it is Life's loss more than Innovation's win. Innovation is a very good player, but Life is just better. I am sure that Life is jet lagged and is focusing more on his GSL games than IEM. He can care less about IEM or NSL because GSL is the most prestigious tournament in SC2. If Life cared at all, like Taeja, he would have beaten Dream in NSL and Innovation now.

No excuses, just the truth. Life lost to the time zones, not the player.

User was temp banned for this post.

RIP

noooooo
"I thought I destroyed my CC but it seemed like the only thing I destroyed was Idra's mentality."
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
March 12 2015 19:25 GMT
#3473
On March 13 2015 04:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:47 swag_bro wrote:
Life throwing game after game after game. He could have easily won if he did not play so greedy and throw away so much of his army. Life is tiers ahead of Innovation in terms of skill, so it is Life's loss more than Innovation's win. Innovation is a very good player, but Life is just better. I am sure that Life is jet lagged and is focusing more on his GSL games than IEM. He can care less about IEM or NSL because GSL is the most prestigious tournament in SC2. If Life cared at all, like Taeja, he would have beaten Dream in NSL and Innovation now.

No excuses, just the truth. Life lost to the time zones, not the player.

User was temp banned for this post.

RIP


Unlikely.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 12 2015 19:25 GMT
#3474
On March 13 2015 04:19 Big J wrote:
Guys, give it a rest. People lose, even if they are really good. Especially if they play against very good players.

This discussion kind of reminds me about the "WCS Premier players cannot be considered good" thread... Life might be the best or one of the very best players in the world right now, but that doesn't mean tournaments should seed him into finals. If he loses he loses, plain as that.
Time to focus on the other players left. Who is going to stop Winnovation? Maru or herO or some dark horse like Dark or Horse Flash.

They shouldn't "seed him into finals", but they should seed so we have a high chance of the 4 best players meeting in the semis. WCS points would be ideal if every player would actually play in the big ones.
As i said before, i think tennis kinda works like that (not a big tennis follower, only grand slams), somebody else surely knows more about that
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
March 12 2015 19:26 GMT
#3475
On March 13 2015 04:23 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 04:18 Disarmed wrote:
holy fuck Cs:GO is popular....250k?

Wow.

nop

500k with the GO TV



500000 people watching? and im sure those aren't the finals yet?

i had no idea...is this bigger than LoL?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
March 12 2015 19:26 GMT
#3476
On March 13 2015 04:19 pure.Wasted wrote:
In g5, Life takes a huge engagement at his fourth. At the start of this engagement, Inno is maxed and banking over 1k minerals. Cut to the end of the fight, he's still sitting at 1k minerals and he's down like 30 supply despite the fight looking more or less even. If it were any other player, I'd just assume they failed to macro and be satisfied with that, but this is Innovation, forgetting to build Marines while he's attacking with Marines isn't really a thing that happens to him.

Kaelaris even pointed this out after the fight was over and he looked at the supply and he was like "I'll have to rewatch that game, something weird happened."

If anyone's figured it out or rewatches the series and has a theory, please reply here or PM me, I'm super curious.

I rewatched the vod, he never stopped building marines during the fight, I would assume Life managed to resupply faster with a lot of larva but I'm not sure.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28524 Posts
March 12 2015 19:26 GMT
#3477
On March 13 2015 04:25 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 04:19 Big J wrote:
Guys, give it a rest. People lose, even if they are really good. Especially if they play against very good players.

This discussion kind of reminds me about the "WCS Premier players cannot be considered good" thread... Life might be the best or one of the very best players in the world right now, but that doesn't mean tournaments should seed him into finals. If he loses he loses, plain as that.
Time to focus on the other players left. Who is going to stop Winnovation? Maru or herO or some dark horse like Dark or Horse Flash.

They shouldn't "seed him into finals", but they should seed so we have a high chance of the 4 best players meeting in the semis. WCS points would be ideal if every player would actually play in the big ones.
As i said before, i think tennis kinda works like that (not a big tennis follower, only grand slams), somebody else surely knows more about that

Tennis works like that
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
March 12 2015 19:27 GMT
#3478
On March 13 2015 04:26 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 04:25 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 13 2015 04:19 Big J wrote:
Guys, give it a rest. People lose, even if they are really good. Especially if they play against very good players.

This discussion kind of reminds me about the "WCS Premier players cannot be considered good" thread... Life might be the best or one of the very best players in the world right now, but that doesn't mean tournaments should seed him into finals. If he loses he loses, plain as that.
Time to focus on the other players left. Who is going to stop Winnovation? Maru or herO or some dark horse like Dark or Horse Flash.

They shouldn't "seed him into finals", but they should seed so we have a high chance of the 4 best players meeting in the semis. WCS points would be ideal if every player would actually play in the big ones.
As i said before, i think tennis kinda works like that (not a big tennis follower, only grand slams), somebody else surely knows more about that

Tennis works like that



but how do you decide, if not by WCS points, who the top 4 are?
CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
March 12 2015 19:28 GMT
#3479
Thank you Innovation for crushing another Zerg scum.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
March 12 2015 19:32 GMT
#3480
On March 13 2015 04:26 Disarmed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 04:23 Makro wrote:
On March 13 2015 04:18 Disarmed wrote:
holy fuck Cs:GO is popular....250k?

Wow.

nop

500k with the GO TV



500000 people watching? and im sure those aren't the finals yet?

i had no idea...is this bigger than LoL?

i don't know really, but counter strike has always been for a very long time the cutting edge of west esport, it is taking back his throne
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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