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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
Don't get all the upset about the seeding. This shit happens. Life would've probably had to beat INno in a later round anyway.
He should've played better
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Are we human or are we gamer
Lame
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On March 13 2015 03:59 Everlong wrote:
I still think Life didn't play as good as he could and Innovation didn't do anything special to deserve his win over Life. It was a standard TvZ, in 3 out of 5 games played, the "let's roll one army in another" game worked out a bit better for Innovation. Let's move on.
INnoVation had better army control in game 5 than usual. It's also a bit Life's fault of letting the Terran get away with CC first into super greedy 3rd uncontested. Innovation's upgrades were retiredly fast that game
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On March 13 2015 04:00 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 03:59 stuchiu wrote:On March 13 2015 03:58 boxerfred wrote:On March 13 2015 03:57 Yorkie wrote:On March 13 2015 03:55 Shellshock wrote:
so I know all the seeding stuff was IEM 1/2 vs Qualifier player, but does anyone feel like the IEM winners really got the short end of the stick?
Winner matchups
Life vs Innovation
Flash vs Trap
TaeJa vs Dark
herO vs Cure
Runner up matchups
Maru vs Patience
Zest vs Hydra
Solar vs Bbyong
Rain vs Hydra
I'd much rather be against someone from the runner up opponents list if I was them Absolutely. Either way you have to have a better system than that. The eye test has to be a factor Strange times when people say they actually favor facing Zest over facing Dark or Life or Innovation. Feels strange. No one will stay at the top forever, that is the very nature of competition. B-but Bayern Munich..
Wasn't really relevent during almost 10 years in Europe 2002-2009
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On March 13 2015 04:04 c0ldfusion wrote:
so much sadness.....
Yeah... :'( This sucks.
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On March 13 2015 04:03 Lorning wrote:
Don't get all the upset about the seeding. This shit happens. Life would've probably had to beat INno in a later round anyway.
He should've played better
But that's exactly the point, we at least would have gotten more games out of the best players.
Good seeding produces great tournaments. (good semis+finals)
Bad seeding produces great games in the early rounds and worse games later on..
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 13 2015 04:03 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 04:01 royalroadweed wrote:On March 13 2015 03:58 elwoodng wrote:On March 13 2015 03:52 virpi wrote:On March 13 2015 03:45 elwoodng wrote:
Masterclass from both players. And I swear Life understands something about engaging in ZvT that no other zergs does. he's really good at using the map. he also knows how to detonate mines efficiently and how to get surrounds against split up groups of marines. his control was great, but he still could have done much better as he wasted lots of blings against some marauders at some point. his upgrades were too far behind to win in the end. you just can't trade with a 3-3 terran with worse upgrades, unless you have a shitload of stuff. I see. I guess that Inno isn't the best splitter either, he relies more on his insane macro. With so much happening, I I think Life still engaged better than any other zerg would have. Some fights he was down on both supply and upgrades and actually came out 30 supplies ahead, I thought I was out of my mind. At his peak in 2013 he was the best splitter though (or at least top 3). I wonder what happened. Wrists?
bad software update.
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On March 13 2015 04:01 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 04:00 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On March 13 2015 03:59 Everlong wrote:
I still think Life didn't play as good as he could and Innovation didn't do anything special to deserve his win over Life. It was a standard TvZ, in 3 out of 5 games played, the "let's roll one army in another" game worked out a bit better for Innovation. Let's move on. let's not forget that life fell behind in every single game vs a hellbat push... Except for game 5. He held the Hellbats flawlessly.
he lost 5 drones and an extra few to banshees, i wouldn't say it was perfect.
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Oh no Life lost. Well it happens I guess. Now I'll be able to cheer for Zest without any culpability whatsoever.
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Honestly, Life vs INno, it was really unfortunate to see Life lose, but goddamn if Rain's performance wasn't the saddest thing in this tournament so far <.<.
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On March 13 2015 04:06 OtherWorld wrote:
Oh no Life lost. Well it happens I guess. Now I'll be able to cheer for Zest without any culpability whatsoever.
an other kt - skt
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On March 13 2015 04:06 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 04:03 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 13 2015 04:01 royalroadweed wrote:On March 13 2015 03:58 elwoodng wrote:On March 13 2015 03:52 virpi wrote:On March 13 2015 03:45 elwoodng wrote:
Masterclass from both players. And I swear Life understands something about engaging in ZvT that no other zergs does. he's really good at using the map. he also knows how to detonate mines efficiently and how to get surrounds against split up groups of marines. his control was great, but he still could have done much better as he wasted lots of blings against some marauders at some point. his upgrades were too far behind to win in the end. you just can't trade with a 3-3 terran with worse upgrades, unless you have a shitload of stuff. I see. I guess that Inno isn't the best splitter either, he relies more on his insane macro. With so much happening, I I think Life still engaged better than any other zerg would have. Some fights he was down on both supply and upgrades and actually came out 30 supplies ahead, I thought I was out of my mind. At his peak in 2013 he was the best splitter though (or at least top 3). I wonder what happened. Wrists? bad software update.
I prefer your theory. Software can be replaced. Wrists are still premium. 
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United States97276 Posts
On March 13 2015 04:07 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 04:06 OtherWorld wrote:
Oh no Life lost. Well it happens I guess. Now I'll be able to cheer for Zest without any culpability whatsoever. an other kt - skt
skt fans have to be excited about it
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On March 13 2015 04:06 Poopfeast 024 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 04:01 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 13 2015 04:00 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On March 13 2015 03:59 Everlong wrote:
I still think Life didn't play as good as he could and Innovation didn't do anything special to deserve his win over Life. It was a standard TvZ, in 3 out of 5 games played, the "let's roll one army in another" game worked out a bit better for Innovation. Let's move on. let's not forget that life fell behind in every single game vs a hellbat push... Except for game 5. He held the Hellbats flawlessly. he lost 5 drones and an extra few to banshees, i wouldn't say it was perfect.
And the evo chamber. Don't forget the evo chamber. Never forget the evo chamber that lost a 1v1 with a banshee.
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On March 13 2015 04:06 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 04:03 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 13 2015 04:01 royalroadweed wrote:On March 13 2015 03:58 elwoodng wrote:On March 13 2015 03:52 virpi wrote:On March 13 2015 03:45 elwoodng wrote:
Masterclass from both players. And I swear Life understands something about engaging in ZvT that no other zergs does. he's really good at using the map. he also knows how to detonate mines efficiently and how to get surrounds against split up groups of marines. his control was great, but he still could have done much better as he wasted lots of blings against some marauders at some point. his upgrades were too far behind to win in the end. you just can't trade with a 3-3 terran with worse upgrades, unless you have a shitload of stuff. I see. I guess that Inno isn't the best splitter either, he relies more on his insane macro. With so much happening, I I think Life still engaged better than any other zerg would have. Some fights he was down on both supply and upgrades and actually came out 30 supplies ahead, I thought I was out of my mind. At his peak in 2013 he was the best splitter though (or at least top 3). I wonder what happened. Wrists? bad software update.
He has the standard update actually, but the problem is that Life is a virus designed to counteract conventional Terran splitting.
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I know people on TL love Life, but i think people should be allowed to criticize him as well. People get to defensive over nothing.
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On March 13 2015 04:01 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 04:00 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On March 13 2015 03:59 Everlong wrote:
I still think Life didn't play as good as he could and Innovation didn't do anything special to deserve his win over Life. It was a standard TvZ, in 3 out of 5 games played, the "let's roll one army in another" game worked out a bit better for Innovation. Let's move on. let's not forget that life fell behind in every single game vs a hellbat push... Except for game 5. He held the Hellbats flawlessly.
That's the thing with Terran with cheaper or more accessible units these days, if you react well you come out even maybe slightly ahead, if you react poorly you die, same can be said about the reaper it doesn't take much of an investment and just the threat of it keeps the Zerg honest, because the risk/reward simply isn't there for Zerg, why risk 3hatch vs CC first, when if the terran opens reaper -> cc you're fucked, the same thing does not happen for Terran, in a lot of TvZ's we see CC first and Terran's putting a third CC right after a factory, both of those plays are punishable by very specific zerg timings which have high-risk high-reward, while Terran punish zergs greed by doing standard macro builds.
That being said, infernal pools looked really bad for innovation.
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On March 13 2015 04:08 skatblast wrote:
I know people on TL love Life, but i think people should be allowed to criticize him as well. People get to defensive over nothing.
what you are describing is the internet, not TL and life in particular
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On March 13 2015 04:06 Poopfeast 024 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 04:01 pure.Wasted wrote:On March 13 2015 04:00 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On March 13 2015 03:59 Everlong wrote:
I still think Life didn't play as good as he could and Innovation didn't do anything special to deserve his win over Life. It was a standard TvZ, in 3 out of 5 games played, the "let's roll one army in another" game worked out a bit better for Innovation. Let's move on. let's not forget that life fell behind in every single game vs a hellbat push... Except for game 5. He held the Hellbats flawlessly. he lost 5 drones and an extra few to banshees, i wouldn't say it was perfect.
Banshees are a separate thing from the Hellbat push, you can Hellbat push without 'em. If you just meant he fell behind in every game where INno applied early pressure, then yeah, that's true.
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