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pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
March 12 2015 19:00 GMT
#3401
On March 13 2015 03:59 CakeSauc3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:57 Incognoto wrote:
My heart is literally beating a bit harder now that i'm looking at the brackets. The biggest threat to Maru has been knocked out and parting isn't in the tournament. Maru gets to sleep / prepare.

Maru is like... a favorite. Don't get me wrong, everyone can win this. But Maru has what it takes to go to the top, I believe it!


This tournament could be great.


..."could"?
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 12 2015 19:00 GMT
#3402
On March 13 2015 03:58 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:57 Yorkie wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:55 Shellshock wrote:
so I know all the seeding stuff was IEM 1/2 vs Qualifier player, but does anyone feel like the IEM winners really got the short end of the stick?

Winner matchups
Life vs Innovation
Flash vs Trap
TaeJa vs Dark
herO vs Cure

Runner up matchups
Maru vs Patience
Zest vs Hydra
Solar vs Bbyong
Rain vs Hydra

I'd much rather be against someone from the runner up opponents list if I was them

Absolutely. Either way you have to have a better system than that. The eye test has to be a factor

Strange times when people say they actually favor facing Zest over facing Dark or Life or Innovation. Feels strange.

Zest was a runner up. He had to face Hydra, not the other way around
Flash as the winner of the same tournament has to face Trap
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
March 12 2015 19:00 GMT
#3403
VODerinos

(T)FanTaSy vs (P)Rain: Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
(Z)Dark vs (T)TaeJa: Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
(P)Zest vs (Z)Hydra: Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
(T)INnoVation vs (Z)Life: Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
March 12 2015 19:00 GMT
#3404
On March 13 2015 03:59 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:58 boxerfred wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:57 Yorkie wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:55 Shellshock wrote:
so I know all the seeding stuff was IEM 1/2 vs Qualifier player, but does anyone feel like the IEM winners really got the short end of the stick?

Winner matchups
Life vs Innovation
Flash vs Trap
TaeJa vs Dark
herO vs Cure

Runner up matchups
Maru vs Patience
Zest vs Hydra
Solar vs Bbyong
Rain vs Hydra

I'd much rather be against someone from the runner up opponents list if I was them

Absolutely. Either way you have to have a better system than that. The eye test has to be a factor

Strange times when people say they actually favor facing Zest over facing Dark or Life or Innovation. Feels strange.


No one will stay at the top forever, that is the very nature of competition.

No one but Scoobers of course
I Protoss winner, could it be?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
March 12 2015 19:00 GMT
#3405
On March 13 2015 03:59 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:58 boxerfred wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:57 Yorkie wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:55 Shellshock wrote:
so I know all the seeding stuff was IEM 1/2 vs Qualifier player, but does anyone feel like the IEM winners really got the short end of the stick?

Winner matchups
Life vs Innovation
Flash vs Trap
TaeJa vs Dark
herO vs Cure

Runner up matchups
Maru vs Patience
Zest vs Hydra
Solar vs Bbyong
Rain vs Hydra

I'd much rather be against someone from the runner up opponents list if I was them

Absolutely. Either way you have to have a better system than that. The eye test has to be a factor

Strange times when people say they actually favor facing Zest over facing Dark or Life or Innovation. Feels strange.


No one will stay at the top forever, that is the very nature of competition.

B-but Bayern Munich..
Poopfeast 024
Profile Joined November 2014
Gambia437 Posts
March 12 2015 19:00 GMT
#3406
On March 13 2015 03:59 Everlong wrote:
I still think Life didn't play as good as he could and Innovation didn't do anything special to deserve his win over Life. It was a standard TvZ, in 3 out of 5 games played, the "let's roll one army in another" game worked out a bit better for Innovation. Let's move on.


let's not forget that life fell behind in every single game vs a hellbat push...
joshie0808
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1024 Posts
March 12 2015 19:00 GMT
#3407
On March 13 2015 04:00 Lorning wrote:
VODerinos

(T)FanTaSy vs (P)Rain: Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
(Z)Dark vs (T)TaeJa: Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
(P)Zest vs (Z)Hydra: Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
(T)INnoVation vs (Z)Life: Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5


Thanks!
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
March 12 2015 19:01 GMT
#3408
On March 13 2015 04:00 Lorning wrote:
VODerinos

(T)FanTaSy vs (P)Rain: Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
(Z)Dark vs (T)TaeJa: Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
(P)Zest vs (Z)Hydra: Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
(T)INnoVation vs (Z)Life: Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5

You do like childish gambino, eh?
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18712 Posts
March 12 2015 19:01 GMT
#3409
anyone else almost shed a tear when they saw Redeye in that IEM commercial? Never again at IEM
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
March 12 2015 19:01 GMT
#3410
On March 13 2015 04:00 Poopfeast 024 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:59 Everlong wrote:
I still think Life didn't play as good as he could and Innovation didn't do anything special to deserve his win over Life. It was a standard TvZ, in 3 out of 5 games played, the "let's roll one army in another" game worked out a bit better for Innovation. Let's move on.


let's not forget that life fell behind in every single game vs a hellbat push...


Except for game 5. He held the Hellbats flawlessly.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
March 12 2015 19:01 GMT
#3411
Patience should be OK, it will wake Maru up.
Dark will be scary, it will warm Maru up.
Flash or Fantasy should be manageable, it will give Maru momentum.
Regardless of who the other finalist is, it will give Maru victory.

hype hype hype
maru lover forever
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
March 12 2015 19:01 GMT
#3412
On March 13 2015 03:59 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:58 boxerfred wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:57 Yorkie wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:55 Shellshock wrote:
so I know all the seeding stuff was IEM 1/2 vs Qualifier player, but does anyone feel like the IEM winners really got the short end of the stick?

Winner matchups
Life vs Innovation
Flash vs Trap
TaeJa vs Dark
herO vs Cure

Runner up matchups
Maru vs Patience
Zest vs Hydra
Solar vs Bbyong
Rain vs Hydra

I'd much rather be against someone from the runner up opponents list if I was them

Absolutely. Either way you have to have a better system than that. The eye test has to be a factor

Strange times when people say they actually favor facing Zest over facing Dark or Life or Innovation. Feels strange.


No one will stay at the top forever, that is the very nature of competition.


This is it. No one is exempt from this rule. Not Life, Innovation, and even herO
rip passion
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 12 2015 19:01 GMT
#3413
On March 13 2015 03:58 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:55 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:51 BisuDagger wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
OK who agrees with me NOW that IEM did a terrible job at seeding (in the interest for the tournament)

But Flash vs Fantasy coming soon...

I mean i understand that their seeding makes kinda sense, but still -.-
Tournaments should seed so we have a high probability of a good final, the rest doesn't matter.

There are still a lot of names at the top and bottom. Flash hype round #150, Trap who even aced for JAGW, Maru... all at the bottom.
And Innovation, herO still at the top left. And those are just the biggest names still in it...

Well when pretty much all the 16 players are great that's natural
But if you have a ro16 matchup between 2 of the best 5 players in the world, i don't know kev
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
March 12 2015 19:01 GMT
#3414
On March 13 2015 03:58 elwoodng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:52 virpi wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:45 elwoodng wrote:
Masterclass from both players. And I swear Life understands something about engaging in ZvT that no other zergs does.

he's really good at using the map. he also knows how to detonate mines efficiently and how to get surrounds against split up groups of marines. his control was great, but he still could have done much better as he wasted lots of blings against some marauders at some point.

his upgrades were too far behind to win in the end. you just can't trade with a 3-3 terran with worse upgrades, unless you have a shitload of stuff.

I see. I guess that Inno isn't the best splitter either, he relies more on his insane macro. With so much happening, I I think Life still engaged better than any other zerg would have. Some fights he was down on both supply and upgrades and actually came out 30 supplies ahead, I thought I was out of my mind.

At his peak in 2013 he was the best splitter though (or at least top 3). I wonder what happened.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
March 12 2015 19:02 GMT
#3415
On March 13 2015 03:59 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Fuck, I'm not even a huge Life fan, but I wanted him to win so badly. I want a bonjwa in SC2, now Life looks a lot less like he could be that


Yeah, that's the other problem with Life / Bogus facing off in the first round.

Dominance of the scene by one player or two players will actually help popularize SC2.

Exactly, SC2 feels like such a crapshoot sometimes in who I does well in tournament and all these inconsistent players... a true top dog would be great
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
March 12 2015 19:02 GMT
#3416
On March 13 2015 04:01 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:58 elwoodng wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:52 virpi wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:45 elwoodng wrote:
Masterclass from both players. And I swear Life understands something about engaging in ZvT that no other zergs does.

he's really good at using the map. he also knows how to detonate mines efficiently and how to get surrounds against split up groups of marines. his control was great, but he still could have done much better as he wasted lots of blings against some marauders at some point.

his upgrades were too far behind to win in the end. you just can't trade with a 3-3 terran with worse upgrades, unless you have a shitload of stuff.

I see. I guess that Inno isn't the best splitter either, he relies more on his insane macro. With so much happening, I I think Life still engaged better than any other zerg would have. Some fights he was down on both supply and upgrades and actually came out 30 supplies ahead, I thought I was out of my mind.

At his peak in 2013 he was the best splitter though (or at least top 3). I wonder what happened.

That first person shot from Maru vs. Jaedong on frost. I wish we had more of such things.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
March 12 2015 19:02 GMT
#3417
On March 13 2015 04:01 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 04:00 Lorning wrote:
VODerinos

(T)FanTaSy vs (P)Rain: Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
(Z)Dark vs (T)TaeJa: Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
(P)Zest vs (Z)Hydra: Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5
(T)INnoVation vs (Z)Life: Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5

You do like childish gambino, eh?

yup
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
March 12 2015 19:03 GMT
#3418
On March 13 2015 04:01 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:58 elwoodng wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:52 virpi wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:45 elwoodng wrote:
Masterclass from both players. And I swear Life understands something about engaging in ZvT that no other zergs does.

he's really good at using the map. he also knows how to detonate mines efficiently and how to get surrounds against split up groups of marines. his control was great, but he still could have done much better as he wasted lots of blings against some marauders at some point.

his upgrades were too far behind to win in the end. you just can't trade with a 3-3 terran with worse upgrades, unless you have a shitload of stuff.

I see. I guess that Inno isn't the best splitter either, he relies more on his insane macro. With so much happening, I I think Life still engaged better than any other zerg would have. Some fights he was down on both supply and upgrades and actually came out 30 supplies ahead, I thought I was out of my mind.

At his peak in 2013 he was the best splitter though (or at least top 3). I wonder what happened.


Dream happened. That kid took that title away in two games.
maru lover forever
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
March 12 2015 19:03 GMT
#3419
On March 13 2015 04:00 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:59 CakeSauc3 wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:57 Incognoto wrote:
My heart is literally beating a bit harder now that i'm looking at the brackets. The biggest threat to Maru has been knocked out and parting isn't in the tournament. Maru gets to sleep / prepare.

Maru is like... a favorite. Don't get me wrong, everyone can win this. But Maru has what it takes to go to the top, I believe it!


This tournament could be great.


..."could"?


It just started. It's all about the semis and the finals
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
March 12 2015 19:03 GMT
#3420
On March 13 2015 04:01 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 03:58 elwoodng wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:52 virpi wrote:
On March 13 2015 03:45 elwoodng wrote:
Masterclass from both players. And I swear Life understands something about engaging in ZvT that no other zergs does.

he's really good at using the map. he also knows how to detonate mines efficiently and how to get surrounds against split up groups of marines. his control was great, but he still could have done much better as he wasted lots of blings against some marauders at some point.

his upgrades were too far behind to win in the end. you just can't trade with a 3-3 terran with worse upgrades, unless you have a shitload of stuff.

I see. I guess that Inno isn't the best splitter either, he relies more on his insane macro. With so much happening, I I think Life still engaged better than any other zerg would have. Some fights he was down on both supply and upgrades and actually came out 30 supplies ahead, I thought I was out of my mind.

At his peak in 2013 he was the best splitter though (or at least top 3). I wonder what happened.


Wrists?
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
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