★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
22%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Morrow vs Showtime Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Morrow vs Showtime Game 2?
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
9%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (7)
64%
★★★ - Good game (1)
9%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
18%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Morrow vs Showtime Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Morrow vs Showtime Game 3?
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
22%
★★★ - Good game (5)
56%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
22%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Morrow vs Showtime Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
60%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
40%
5 total votes
Your vote: Morrow vs Hydra Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Morrow vs Hydra Game 2?
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (3)
100%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
3 total votes
Your vote: Morrow vs Hydra Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Morrow vs Hydra Game 3?
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (2)
67%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
33%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
3 total votes
Your vote: Morrow vs Hydra Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Sim ID #1226 vs #1249) Biggest Winners Solar went up by 15.26%, going from 41.54% to 56.79% INnoVation went up by 14.51%, going from 64.68% to 79.19% Dark went up by 14.1%, going from 22.6% to 36.7% Bunny went up by 13.09%, going from 10.75% to 23.84% Hydra went up by 12.57%, going from 50.99% to 63.56% Rogue went up by 11.16%, going from 51.92% to 63.09% FanTaSy went up by 11.12%, going from 7.3% to 18.41% + Show Spoiler [More Winners] +
Snute went up by 8.82%, going from 29.11% to 37.93% MaNa went up by 7.38%, going from 5.4% to 12.77% Bbyong went up by 6.81%, going from 7.24% to 14.05% Cure went up by 6.69%, going from 5.53% to 12.22% Trap went up by 5.05%, going from 1.67% to 6.72% ForGG went up by 4.76%, going from 66.25% to 71.01% Dream went up by 4.18%, going from 63.19% to 67.37% Kane went up by 3.35%, going from 1.63% to 4.98% PiG went up by 3.28%, going from 7.72% to 10.99% herO went up by 2.78%, going from 95.87% to 98.65% Patience went up by 1.99%, going from 0.69% to 2.68% Serral went up by 1.7%, going from 2.95% to 4.65% MMA went up by 1.06%, going from 35.47% to 36.53% Has went up by 0.86%, going from 1.28% to 2.15% PartinG went up by 0.86%, going from 74.08% to 74.94% Polt went up by 0.78%, going from 34.11% to 34.89% TRUE went up by 0.71%, going from 2.56% to 3.27% TLO went up by 0.57%, going from 1.5% to 2.07% Sacsri went up by 0.55%, going from 0.99% to 1.55% Stats went up by 0.53%, going from 69.56% to 70.09% Lilbow went up by 0.47%, going from 1.38% to 1.85% Curious went up by 0.45%, going from 1.48% to 1.93% Life went up by 0.29%, going from 99.69% to 99.98% Symbol went up by 0.27%, going from 0.47% to 0.74% Boombox went up by 0.25%, going from 0.09% to 0.34% XiGua went up by 0.24%, going from 0.52% to 0.76% MarineLorD went up by 0.22%, going from 0.44% to 0.66% Welmu went up by 0.21%, going from 1.61% to 1.82% Creator went up by 0.17%, going from 0.31% to 0.47% HeRoMaRinE went up by 0.16%, going from 0.61% to 0.78% HerO went up by 0.15%, going from 0.65% to 0.8% FireCake went up by 0.11%, going from 0.11% to 0.23% Arthur went up by 0.11%, going from 0.32% to 0.43%
Biggest Losers Super went down by 24.91%, going from 48.1% to 23.19% Rain went down by 19.2%, going from 82.75% to 63.54% Dear went down by 18.97%, going from 52.67% to 33.7% NaNiwa went down by 12.96%, going from 20.47% to 7.51% MajOr went down by 10.34%, going from 20.54% to 10.2% TargA went down by 8.25%, going from 14.11% to 5.86% TaeJa went down by 7.3%, going from 35.4% to 28.1% + Show Spoiler [More Losers] +
Happy went down by 7.03%, going from 14.94% to 7.91% viOLet went down by 4.85%, going from 10.66% to 5.81% MC went down by 4.58%, going from 6.81% to 2.22% Sen went down by 3.43%, going from 5.54% to 2.11% Zest went down by 3.14%, going from 22.99% to 19.86% Jim went down by 2.97%, going from 4.91% to 1.94% uThermal went down by 2.45%, going from 3.37% to 0.92% GuMiho went down by 2.4%, going from 31.13% to 28.73% Soulkey went down by 1.94%, going from 24.94% to 23.01% YoDa went down by 1.8%, going from 9.63% to 7.83% San went down by 1.75%, going from 7.05% to 5.3% Jaedong went down by 1.66%, going from 4.69% to 3.03% Classic went down by 1.63%, going from 5.91% to 4.27% Leenock went down by 1.43%, going from 10.5% to 9.07% ShoWTimE went down by 1.41%, going from 9.34% to 7.93% TY went down by 1.18%, going from 58.09% to 56.92% First went down by 1.1%, going from 8.63% to 7.52% Flash went down by 1.02%, going from 7.38% to 6.36% Losira went down by 0.95%, going from 1.95% to 1.01% Mvp went down by 0.8%, going from 0.83% to 0.03% Terminator went down by 0.8%, going from 16.22% to 15.42% Bomber went down by 0.76%, going from 15.99% to 15.24% Maru went down by 0.74%, going from 99.36% to 98.61% soO went down by 0.54%, going from 4.19% to 3.65% puCK went down by 0.49%, going from 0.88% to 0.39% Sora went down by 0.48%, going from 1.97% to 1.49% MarineKing went down by 0.46%, going from 4.77% to 4.31% Trust went down by 0.45%, going from 1.37% to 0.92% HyuN went down by 0.41%, going from 11.98% to 11.57% VortiX went down by 0.3%, going from 2.08% to 1.78% Astrea went down by 0.29%, going from 0.44% to 0.16% Hack went down by 0.28%, going from 0.76% to 0.49% Suppy went down by 0.24%, going from 0.33% to 0.09% StarDust went down by 0.24%, going from 1.79% to 1.55% MaSa went down by 0.23%, going from 0.71% to 0.48% Journey went down by 0.23%, going from 0.75% to 0.52% Impact went down by 0.18%, going from 0.57% to 0.38% Scarlett went down by 0.18%, going from 0.5% to 0.32% RagnaroK went down by 0.15%, going from 0.39% to 0.24% Nerchio went down by 0.15%, going from 1.11% to 0.96% MorroW went down by 0.14%, going from 1.62% to 1.48% KingKong went down by 0.13%, going from 1.09% to 0.96% iaguz went down by 0.13%, going from 1.61% to 1.48%
MorroW, Hydra, ShoWTimE, and iAsonuin in WCS Premier Season 1 round of 32. MorroW is at 1.48% Blizzcon Chances. 36.66% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 2.59%. 63.34% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 0.85%. ShoWTimE is at 7.93% Blizzcon Chances. 59.03% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 10.5%. 40.97% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 4.23%. Hydra is at 63.56% Blizzcon Chances. 73.94% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 68.34%. 26.06% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 49.99%. iAsonu is at 0.41% Blizzcon Chances. 30.38% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 0.82%. 69.62% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 0.24%.
WCS Premier Season 1 Winning Chances ForGG has a 23.76% chance to win ----going from 71.01% to 97.42% if they get 1st, or 75.86% if they get 2nd. Hydra has a 14.21% chance to win ----going from 63.56% to 97.9% if they get 1st, or 75.77% if they get 2nd. Snute has a 12.74% chance to win ----going from 37.93% to 89.84% if they get 1st, or 46.06% if they get 2nd. Bunny has a 9.99% chance to win ----going from 23.84% to 76.23% if they get 1st, or 29.79% if they get 2nd. Polt has a 8.79% chance to win ----going from 34.89% to 90.94% if they get 1st, or 46.73% if they get 2nd. + Show Spoiler [More Winning Chances] +
MaNa has a 6.62% chance to win ----going from 12.77% to 64.35% if they get 1st, or 17.57% if they get 2nd. PiG has a 5.77% chance to win ----going from 10.99% to 63.9% if they get 1st, or 15.84% if they get 2nd. ShoWTimE has a 3.29% chance to win ----going from 7.93% to 62.3% if they get 1st, or 15.26% if they get 2nd. Serral has a 2.96% chance to win ----going from 4.65% to 52.17% if they get 1st, or 3.2% if they don't. Kane has a 2.84% chance to win ----going from 4.98% to 55.13% if they get 1st, or 3.51% if they don't. TLO has a 1.59% chance to win ----going from 2.07% to 44.55% if they get 1st, or 1.38% if they don't. HuK has a 1.58% chance to win ----going from 4.21% to 62.87% if they get 1st, or 3.27% if they don't. Has has a 1.51% chance to win ----going from 2.15% to 46.73% if they get 1st, or 1.46% if they don't. Welmu has a 1.05% chance to win ----going from 1.82% to 44.66% if they get 1st, or 1.36% if they don't. iaguz has a 0.92% chance to win ----going from 1.48% to 43.65% if they get 1st, or 1.09% if they don't. MorroW has a 0.73% chance to win ----going from 1.48% to 45.31% if they get 1st, or 1.16% if they don't. XiGua has a 0.72% chance to win ----going from 0.76% to 37.58% if they get 1st, or 0.49% if they don't. MacSed has a 0.35% chance to win ----going from 0.53% to 37.23% if they get 1st, or 0.4% if they don't. FireCake has a 0.34% chance to win ----going from 0.23% to 25.33% if they get 1st, or 0.14% if they don't. iAsonu has a 0.25% chance to win ----going from 0.41% to 36.44% if they get 1st, or 0.32% if they don't.
On February 28 2015 08:21 nkr wrote: twitch having problems? I can't get on the stream myself and the viewer count is super low for a friday night game
On February 28 2015 08:35 ssg wrote: Can someone tell ne about the hydra hype? Outside of BW does he gave any results
He was in Code S for 2 seasons last year, top 4 at an IEM, and did well in proleague for CJ. Also just won on of the IEM Global Championship qualifier spots the other day
On February 28 2015 08:35 ssg wrote: Can someone tell ne about the hydra hype? Outside of BW does he gave any results
He was in Code S for 2 seasons last year, top 4 at an IEM, and did well in proleague for CJ. Also just won on of the IEM Global Championship qualifier spots the other day
If you translate that to foreigner terms, he's top 3 foreigner for the last year.
On February 28 2015 08:35 ssg wrote: Can someone tell ne about the hydra hype? Outside of BW does he gave any results
He was in Code S for 2 seasons last year, top 4 at an IEM, and did well in proleague for CJ. Also just won on of the IEM Global Championship qualifier spots the other day
If you translate that to foreigner terms, he's top 3 foreigner for the last year.
On February 28 2015 08:42 Alchemik wrote: how was the first game?
Morrow got outplayed, wasn't able to do enough damage while delaying his third. Hydra was able to drone up behind small bits of aggression, started flooding ling bane and won.
MorroW got an advantageous position thanks to the messed up wall and transformed that into a victory with style. I doubt Hydra will make that kind of mistake again though and he should win map 3 in a pretty straightforward way.
I feel like hydra is extremely complacent against foreigners. Starts off terribly and eventually turns it on midway through the game. I remember a few games he had in challenger and the qualifiers where he would fall behind and just keep in the game through superior play in the midgame. Seems like it's not going to work out in this game though.
Hydra should still get through if he doesn't take his next two series too lightly, but man, what an upset. The winner of Showtime vs iAsonu could be really unsettled by that unexpected opportunity to go through 1st place.
On February 28 2015 09:04 Clonester wrote: Hydra did not look solid in Challanger and is no titel contender.
Didn't he recently destroy Cure and run through the IEM qualifier bracket? Hydra just seems like he's either complacent or saving his best play for better competition.
On February 28 2015 09:04 Clonester wrote: Hydra did not look solid in Challanger and is no titel contender.
Didn't he recently destroy Cure and run through the IEM qualifier bracket? Hydra just seems like he's either complacent or saving his best play for better competition.
On February 28 2015 09:04 Clonester wrote: Hydra did not look solid in Challanger and is no titel contender.
Didn't he recently destroy Cure and run through the IEM qualifier bracket? Hydra just seems like he's either complacent or saving his best play for better competition.
To be fair, Cure was playing with high ping from Korea and was like half asleep because he went through every IEM qualifier that say (he move-commanded his army into banelings more than once). But yes, Hydra can play better than that.
On February 28 2015 09:03 The_Red_Viper wrote: lol ForGG to win wcs :D
I was still waiting to see what was Hydra's level before stating that ForGG was the favourite. Now it's clearer than ever. I don't see anyone taking a Bo5+ from him. In fact I'm slightly more scared about the Ro16 than the playoffs because of the higher volatility of Bo3s.
Anyway, I'm pretty confident he'll win Season 1. IN FRANCE !
On February 28 2015 09:03 The_Red_Viper wrote: lol ForGG to win wcs :D
I was still waiting to see what was Hydra's level before stating that ForGG was the favourite. Now it's clearer than ever. I don't see anyone taking a Bo5+ from him. In fact I'm slightly more scared about the Ro16 than the playoffs because of the higher volatility of Bo3s.
Anyway, I'm pretty confident he'll win Season 1. IN FRANCE !
Snute can be a threat to ForGG. With Polt's current form, I'd say Snute and ForGG seem to be the biggest contenders. I wouldn't count Hydra out just yet, everyone can have an unfortunate series, and I would still mention that Serral and MaNa impressed me a lot.
On February 28 2015 09:03 The_Red_Viper wrote: lol ForGG to win wcs :D
I was still waiting to see what was Hydra's level before stating that ForGG was the favourite. Now it's clearer than ever. I don't see anyone taking a Bo5+ from him. In fact I'm slightly more scared about the Ro16 than the playoffs because of the higher volatility of Bo3s.
Anyway, I'm pretty confident he'll win Season 1. IN FRANCE !
On February 28 2015 09:03 The_Red_Viper wrote: lol ForGG to win wcs :D
I was still waiting to see what was Hydra's level before stating that ForGG was the favourite. Now it's clearer than ever. I don't see anyone taking a Bo5+ from him. In fact I'm slightly more scared about the Ro16 than the playoffs because of the higher volatility of Bo3s.
Anyway, I'm pretty confident he'll win Season 1. IN FRANCE !
On February 28 2015 09:03 The_Red_Viper wrote: lol ForGG to win wcs :D
I was still waiting to see what was Hydra's level before stating that ForGG was the favourite. Now it's clearer than ever. I don't see anyone taking a Bo5+ from him. In fact I'm slightly more scared about the Ro16 than the playoffs because of the higher volatility of Bo3s.
Anyway, I'm pretty confident he'll win Season 1. IN FRANCE !
Snute can be a threat to ForGG. With Polt's current form, I'd say Snute and ForGG seem to be the biggest contenders. I wouldn't count Hydra out just yet, everyone can have an unfortunate series, and I would still mention that Serral and MaNa impressed me a lot.
For me it is ForGG 40% Winchance over all, 20% for Polt and the rest for the foreigners. After I saw Hydra in challanger i did not think that Hydra will take the Season 1.
RedEye > Sue (albeit cuteness) Apollo + Kaelaris > Nath + Rotti (= ToD + Kaelaris = ToD + Apollo) Germans cheers > Bad mic Interviews and chat with Stephano > nothing
On February 28 2015 09:16 Serimek wrote: The production EU vs. NA :
RedEye > Sue (albeit cuteness) Apollo + Wolf > Nath + Rotti (= ToD + Wolf = ToD + Apollo) Germans cheers > Bad mic Interviews and chat with Stephano > nothing
On February 28 2015 09:16 Serimek wrote: The production EU vs. NA :
RedEye > Sue (albeit cuteness) Apollo + Wolf > Nath + Rotti (= ToD + Wolf = ToD + Apollo) Germans cheers > Bad mic Interviews and chat with Stephano > nothing
On February 28 2015 09:03 The_Red_Viper wrote: lol ForGG to win wcs :D
I was still waiting to see what was Hydra's level before stating that ForGG was the favourite. Now it's clearer than ever. I don't see anyone taking a Bo5+ from him. In fact I'm slightly more scared about the Ro16 than the playoffs because of the higher volatility of Bo3s.
Anyway, I'm pretty confident he'll win Season 1. IN FRANCE !
Snute can be a threat to ForGG. With Polt's current form, I'd say Snute and ForGG seem to be the biggest contenders. I wouldn't count Hydra out just yet, everyone can have an unfortunate series, and I would still mention that Serral and MaNa impressed me a lot.
Snute got utterly destroyed the last times they met, it wasn't even close, same for Polt. I mean, it could happen, they played before Snute used swarm hosts in ZvT but it's far from likely.
On February 28 2015 09:16 Serimek wrote: The production EU vs. NA :
RedEye > Sue (albeit cuteness) Apollo + Wolf > Nath + Rotti (= ToD + Wolf = ToD + Apollo) Germans cheers > Bad mic Interviews and chat with Stephano > nothing
EU holds.
Excuse me, at what point did you hear Germans cheering?
On February 28 2015 09:16 Serimek wrote: The production EU vs. NA :
RedEye > Sue (albeit cuteness) Apollo + Wolf > Nath + Rotti (= ToD + Wolf = ToD + Apollo) Germans cheers > Bad mic Interviews and chat with Stephano > nothing
EU holds.
Wait wat Wolf?
Ahahah I meant Kaelaris of course and then I must have imagine hair...
Showtime used to be a big fan of phoenix openers in PvZ. This style that I'm still a big fan of has fallen out of grace quite a lot lately with the crowning of blink +2, and I wonder if we're going to see it in at least one game.
On February 28 2015 09:03 The_Red_Viper wrote: lol ForGG to win wcs :D
I was still waiting to see what was Hydra's level before stating that ForGG was the favourite. Now it's clearer than ever. I don't see anyone taking a Bo5+ from him. In fact I'm slightly more scared about the Ro16 than the playoffs because of the higher volatility of Bo3s.
Anyway, I'm pretty confident he'll win Season 1. IN FRANCE !
Snute can be a threat to ForGG. With Polt's current form, I'd say Snute and ForGG seem to be the biggest contenders. I wouldn't count Hydra out just yet, everyone can have an unfortunate series, and I would still mention that Serral and MaNa impressed me a lot.
Snute got utterly destroyed the last times they met, it wasn't even close, same for Polt. I mean, it could happen, they played before Snute used swarm hosts in ZvT but it's far from likely.
To be fair, both Cure and Fantasy showed how to exploit the SH vs Bio TvZ in the IEM qualifiers.
On February 28 2015 09:20 [PkF] Wire wrote: Showtime used to be a big fan of phoenix openers in PvZ. This style that I'm still a big fan of has fallen out of grace quite a lot lately with the crowning of blink +2, and I wonder if we're going to see it in at least one game.
I dunno, I recently saw him in SC2ITL where he killed DRG with nothing but blink stalkers.
On February 28 2015 09:03 The_Red_Viper wrote: lol ForGG to win wcs :D
I was still waiting to see what was Hydra's level before stating that ForGG was the favourite. Now it's clearer than ever. I don't see anyone taking a Bo5+ from him. In fact I'm slightly more scared about the Ro16 than the playoffs because of the higher volatility of Bo3s.
Anyway, I'm pretty confident he'll win Season 1. IN FRANCE !
Snute can be a threat to ForGG. With Polt's current form, I'd say Snute and ForGG seem to be the biggest contenders. I wouldn't count Hydra out just yet, everyone can have an unfortunate series, and I would still mention that Serral and MaNa impressed me a lot.
Snute got utterly destroyed the last times they met, it wasn't even close, same for Polt. I mean, it could happen, they played before Snute used swarm hosts in ZvT but it's far from likely.
To be fair, both Cure and Fantasy showed how to exploit the SH vs Bio TvZ in the IEM qualifiers.
On February 28 2015 09:20 [PkF] Wire wrote: Showtime used to be a big fan of phoenix openers in PvZ. This style that I'm still a big fan of has fallen out of grace quite a lot lately with the crowning of blink +2, and I wonder if we're going to see it in at least one game.
I dunno, I recently saw him in SC2ITL where he killed DRG with nothing but blink stalkers.
I'd be quite disappointed to see nothing but blink openers or oracle into blink, but we'll see.
On February 28 2015 09:03 The_Red_Viper wrote: lol ForGG to win wcs :D
I was still waiting to see what was Hydra's level before stating that ForGG was the favourite. Now it's clearer than ever. I don't see anyone taking a Bo5+ from him. In fact I'm slightly more scared about the Ro16 than the playoffs because of the higher volatility of Bo3s.
Anyway, I'm pretty confident he'll win Season 1. IN FRANCE !
Snute can be a threat to ForGG. With Polt's current form, I'd say Snute and ForGG seem to be the biggest contenders. I wouldn't count Hydra out just yet, everyone can have an unfortunate series, and I would still mention that Serral and MaNa impressed me a lot.
Snute got utterly destroyed the last times they met, it wasn't even close, same for Polt. I mean, it could happen, they played before Snute used swarm hosts in ZvT but it's far from likely.
To be fair, both Cure and Fantasy showed how to exploit the SH vs Bio TvZ in the IEM qualifiers.
On February 28 2015 09:20 [PkF] Wire wrote: Showtime used to be a big fan of phoenix openers in PvZ. This style that I'm still a big fan of has fallen out of grace quite a lot lately with the crowning of blink +2, and I wonder if we're going to see it in at least one game.
I dunno, I recently saw him in SC2ITL where he killed DRG with nothing but blink stalkers.
i didn't watch Snute vs Cure, but Fantasy really didn't "show" anything
On February 28 2015 09:20 Undead1993 wrote: wait what morrow won?
Yes, in straight-up games, he played better.
well the second one wasn't that straight up but ok that's an upset
Yeah it wasn't so straightforward, if the wall is tight when the hellions try to run by Hydra is in an OK spot.
Well Hydra started it with the Roach push, you can't fault Morrow for making the most of that.
I mean I think Hydra thought his wall was tight but misplaced the evolution chambers (he had queens on hold on the south part). Silly mistake, but a costly one.
On February 28 2015 09:23 ThomasjServo wrote: Phonetically, I would go with Yasonu, in the pinyin interpretation. a bit like the Russian И for names like mine, Joseph being written eeyosef.
On February 28 2015 09:23 ThomasjServo wrote: Phonetically, I would go with Yasonu, in the pinyin interpretation. a bit like the Russian И for names like mine, Joseph being written eeyosef.
On February 28 2015 09:03 The_Red_Viper wrote: lol ForGG to win wcs :D
I was still waiting to see what was Hydra's level before stating that ForGG was the favourite. Now it's clearer than ever. I don't see anyone taking a Bo5+ from him. In fact I'm slightly more scared about the Ro16 than the playoffs because of the higher volatility of Bo3s.
Anyway, I'm pretty confident he'll win Season 1. IN FRANCE !
Snute can be a threat to ForGG. With Polt's current form, I'd say Snute and ForGG seem to be the biggest contenders. I wouldn't count Hydra out just yet, everyone can have an unfortunate series, and I would still mention that Serral and MaNa impressed me a lot.
Snute got utterly destroyed the last times they met, it wasn't even close, same for Polt. I mean, it could happen, they played before Snute used swarm hosts in ZvT but it's far from likely.
To be fair, both Cure and Fantasy showed how to exploit the SH vs Bio TvZ in the IEM qualifiers.
On February 28 2015 09:20 [PkF] Wire wrote: Showtime used to be a big fan of phoenix openers in PvZ. This style that I'm still a big fan of has fallen out of grace quite a lot lately with the crowning of blink +2, and I wonder if we're going to see it in at least one game.
I dunno, I recently saw him in SC2ITL where he killed DRG with nothing but blink stalkers.
i didn't watch Snute vs Cure, but Fantasy really didn't "show" anything
Snute vs Fantasy was on Inferno Pools right? That showed how you can exploit Snute's style because he delays his mutas a lot and the SH are very immobile.
On February 28 2015 09:29 mikumegurine wrote: "i'm probably the favored in the group anyway"
huK is so BOSS
Can anybody realistically say who is or isn't favored in that group?
welmu has pretty good pvp so he's a given imo, dunno who's the strongest of the other three
Huk has better experience, Welmu has better results, MacSed has a better practice setup, and Iaguz has only one matchup to prepare for. There is no surprising result tomorrow.
On February 28 2015 09:29 mikumegurine wrote: "i'm probably the favored in the group anyway"
huK is so BOSS
Can anybody realistically say who is or isn't favored in that group?
welmu has pretty good pvp so he's a given imo, dunno who's the strongest of the other three
Huk has better experience, Welmu has better results, MacSed has a better practice setup, and Iaguz has only one matchup to prepare for. There is no surprising result tomorrow.
I like how you summarized it . Indeed, every player could go through and every player going through could be explained.
On February 28 2015 09:29 mikumegurine wrote: "i'm probably the favored in the group anyway"
huK is so BOSS
Can anybody realistically say who is or isn't favored in that group?
Had Aligulac predict all possible matches, Welmu vs HuK is a coin toss, iaguz is favored against MacSed, HuK and Welmu are favored against MacSed and iaguz. So the Aligulac prediction would be 1. Welmu/HuK, 2. HuK/Welmu, 3. iaguz, 4. MacSed.
On February 28 2015 09:29 mikumegurine wrote: "i'm probably the favored in the group anyway"
huK is so BOSS
Can anybody realistically say who is or isn't favored in that group?
welmu has pretty good pvp so he's a given imo, dunno who's the strongest of the other three
Huk has better experience, Welmu has better results, MacSed has a better practice setup, and Iaguz has only one matchup to prepare for. There is no surprising result tomorrow.
On February 28 2015 09:29 mikumegurine wrote: "i'm probably the favored in the group anyway"
huK is so BOSS
Can anybody realistically say who is or isn't favored in that group?
welmu has pretty good pvp so he's a given imo, dunno who's the strongest of the other three
Huk has better experience, Welmu has better results, MacSed has a better practice setup, and Iaguz has only one matchup to prepare for. There is no surprising result tomorrow.
Iaguz will channel the power of the dropbear.
Is there a rule against legit killing competitors in the WCS handbook? If not, he'll be fine doing that actually...
On February 28 2015 09:45 [PkF] Wire wrote: really terrible decision making from iA...
The German micro was too good! As I said, he just kills people with blink stalkers.
Micro was good, alright, but who told iA to go down the ramp with glial reconstitution seconds away from finishing ? That made zero sense. He would still be in a difficult position but not dead.
On February 28 2015 09:45 [PkF] Wire wrote: really terrible decision making from iA...
The German micro was too good! As I said, he just kills people with blink stalkers.
Micro was good, alright, but who told iA to go down the ramp with glial reconstitution seconds away from finishing ? That made zero sense. He would still be in a difficult position but not dead.
I think when Showtime went back a bit to regroup he just went into "YES! I defended!! let's attack!"-mode. Otherwise known as "Haha you think zergs can attack protoss after they won an attack, how cute"-mode.
On February 28 2015 09:45 [PkF] Wire wrote: really terrible decision making from iA...
The German micro was too good! As I said, he just kills people with blink stalkers.
Micro was good, alright, but who told iA to go down the ramp with glial reconstitution seconds away from finishing ? That made zero sense. He would still be in a difficult position but not dead.
Yep. iA must hate Protoss buildings or something... Showtime's really good though. That's why the German casters for the IEM qualifiers were really annoyed that he lost to CatZ, because he normally should beat him. So yeah, Showtime hype!
On February 28 2015 09:45 [PkF] Wire wrote: really terrible decision making from iA...
The German micro was too good! As I said, he just kills people with blink stalkers.
Micro was good, alright, but who told iA to go down the ramp with glial reconstitution seconds away from finishing ? That made zero sense. He would still be in a difficult position but not dead.
I think when Showtime went back a bit to regroup he just went into "YES! I defended!! let's attack!"-mode. Otherwise known as "Haha you think zergs can attack protoss after they won an attack, how cute"-mode.
Reminds me of my PvT in WoL, I used to turtle a whole ton and just let the terrans lose whole armies attacking, and everytime I would feel like I'm ahead enough to attack I'd lose
On February 28 2015 09:45 [PkF] Wire wrote: really terrible decision making from iA...
The German micro was too good! As I said, he just kills people with blink stalkers.
Micro was good, alright, but who told iA to go down the ramp with glial reconstitution seconds away from finishing ? That made zero sense. He would still be in a difficult position but not dead.
I think when Showtime went back a bit to regroup he just went into "YES! I defended!! let's attack!"-mode. Otherwise known as "Haha you think zergs can attack protoss after they won an attack, how cute"-mode.
Reminds me of my PvT in WoL, I used to turtle a whole ton and just let the terrans lose whole armies attacking, and everytime I would feel like I'm ahead enough to attack I'd lose
Well to be fair he didn't really defend, he overdroned as far as I was seeing and Showtime was just attacking at the wrong angle. So the mistake happened much earlier by not responding properly.
This studio is pretty ... weird, gotta admit. Forces them to stay super quiet and not say anything. Only way to make this worse would to have them directly next to each other.
Why did they do that? "Hey let's place them directly in front of each other so that they can hear each other should they talk, no way thats gonna be awkward".
On February 28 2015 09:56 KeksX wrote: This studio is pretty ... weird, gotta admit. Forces them to stay super quiet and not say anything. Only way to make this worse would to have them directly next to each other.
Why did they do that? "Hey let's place them directly in front of each other so that they can hear each other should they talk, no way thats gonna be awkward".
On February 28 2015 09:56 KeksX wrote: This studio is pretty ... weird, gotta admit. Forces them to stay super quiet and not say anything. Only way to make this worse would to have them directly next to each other.
Why did they do that? "Hey let's place them directly in front of each other so that they can hear each other should they talk, no way thats gonna be awkward".
Neither of those guys is using their timings wtf, first igiA didn't attack with hydra/liing now Showtime not attacking when there were no Vipers out. This game...
On February 28 2015 10:09 Undead1993 wrote: 64 drones zerg. ia is playing very poorly
I think it is more by choice than anything. It is just Chinese meta.
hmm interesting i think a zerg on like 5 bases 80 drones is a much stronger way to play the race
Different server, SEA has its own logic as well. I bet IA knows where several weakness' are on CN with this stat, but isn't used to coming across something quite so stable.
On February 28 2015 10:09 Undead1993 wrote: 64 drones zerg. ia is playing very poorly
I think it is more by choice than anything. It is just Chinese meta.
hmm interesting i think a zerg on like 5 bases 80 drones is a much stronger way to play the race
Different server, SEA has its own logic as well. I bet IA knows where several weakness' are on CN with this stat, but isn't used to coming across something quite so stable.
On February 28 2015 10:16 Elentos wrote: This was silly.
What was silly ? iA played horribly, ShoWTime defended well and got an overwhelming advantage. He butchered a big portion of it (partially because he overprepared for switches, thinking iA had huge bank) but was so ahead it didn't matter.
On February 28 2015 10:16 Elentos wrote: This was silly.
What was silly ? iA played horribly, ShoWTime defended well and got an overwhelming advantage. He butchered a big portion of it (partially because he overprepared for switches, thinking iA had huge bank) but was so ahead it didn't matter.
The part were ShoWTime overextended horribly, lost a lot of stuff, defended his base with DTs that iA had no detection in place for and then the game ended with the Protoss having more bases. And yes, iA's horrible play with no hydra speed till 16 mins was also silly.
On February 28 2015 10:16 Elentos wrote: This was silly.
What was silly ? iA played horribly, ShoWTime defended well and got an overwhelming advantage. He butchered a big portion of it (partially because he overprepared for switches, thinking iA had huge bank) but was so ahead it didn't matter.
The part were ShoWTime overextended horribly, lost a lot of stuff, defended his base with DTs that iA had no detection in place for and then the game ended with the Protoss having more bases. And yes, iA's horrible play with no hydra speed till 16 mins was also silly.
I agree that was silly. I even think that if iA moves his overseer over his hydra force in the main, he has a realistic shot at winning.
Just tuned in, see Hydra and iAwhatever playing, assume it must be winner's match, go to match results to see how one-sided the foreigner massacre was...all my WAT
I can't watch twitch so I'm on the Chinese stream. WTF is happening? People are just spamming ↖(▔I▔)↗↖(▔A▔)↗... The best part is there's an option to make chat scroll across the screen
On February 28 2015 10:43 Solar424 wrote: I can't watch twitch so I'm on the Chinese stream. WTF is happening? People are just spamming ↖(▔I▔)↗↖(▔A▔)↗... The best part is there's an option to make chat scroll across the screen
On February 28 2015 10:49 Larkin wrote: I literally have no idea why you would attack then
like
no idea
I'm fuckin diamond but like
am I missing something?
It's the Chinese meta to always do stuff without upgrades, clearly. Like against ShoWTime where he skipped hydra speed.
that was clearly a mistake though. here he went to the effort of contaminating hydra's +2, but surely he coulda clicked on his evo to see when his was done and fight with +2... he had a good 10 army supply extra so on even upgrades it was probably his best chance to win
On February 28 2015 10:50 TheLordofAwesome wrote: What is up with the banelings? I never watch ZvZ so is this a new thing?
The idea is that you use a shit ton of banelings and slightly less roaches to completely wipe out the opponents roaches once, and then be able to reproduce at the same rate. This is compared to just trading roaches for roaches almost evenly
On February 28 2015 10:49 Larkin wrote: I literally have no idea why you would attack then
like
no idea
I'm fuckin diamond but like
am I missing something?
It's the Chinese meta to always do stuff without upgrades, clearly. Like against ShoWTime where he skipped hydra speed.
that was clearly a mistake though. here he went to the effort of contaminating hydra's +2, but surely he coulda clicked on his evo to see when his was done and fight with +2... he had a good 10 army supply extra so on even upgrades it was probably his best chance to win
Also clearly a mistake. Yes, that was the time he had a shot at winning but threw it away, although with defender's advantage and queens this wouldn't have been a stomp either way.
On February 28 2015 10:50 TheLordofAwesome wrote: What is up with the banelings? I never watch ZvZ so is this a new thing?
It's been around for awhile. Korean Zergs slowly got in to it as an alternative to roach + hydra/infestor to quickly end the game.
You tend to see it in more passive games or when one guy gets a decent lead. You even see Zergs do the spore cancel overmax to tack on even more roaches with the bane wave.
On February 28 2015 10:49 Larkin wrote: I literally have no idea why you would attack then
like
no idea
I'm fuckin diamond but like
am I missing something?
It's the Chinese meta to always do stuff without upgrades, clearly. Like against ShoWTime where he skipped hydra speed.
that was clearly a mistake though. here he went to the effort of contaminating hydra's +2, but surely he coulda clicked on his evo to see when his was done and fight with +2... he had a good 10 army supply extra so on even upgrades it was probably his best chance to win
Also clearly a mistake. Yes, that was the time he had a shot at winning but threw it away, although with defender's advantage and queens this wouldn't have been a stomp either way.
just seems like a really simple error to avoid. I never take a fight if I have an upgrade like 80%+ done, whether it's +3 attack or +1 shields... idk maybe he was nervous.
We could really use some polls by the way. I really want to recommend ShoWTime vs iA game 3 to everyone so they can have a good laugh. Edit: Trump has more viewers than WCS right now. Really bad time of the day for this apparently...
I was watching the NSSL vods just now, then I tune in and realize the difference between foreigner and koreans. Many many many mistakes by both players.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
22%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Morrow vs Showtime Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On February 28 2015 11:21 DuduSC wrote: I was watching the NSSL vods just now, then I tune in and realize the difference between foreigner and koreans. Many many many mistakes by both players.
It actually looks as if they play on a slower game speed sometimes
On February 28 2015 11:21 DuduSC wrote: I was watching the NSSL vods just now, then I tune in and realize the difference between foreigner and koreans. Many many many mistakes by both players.
It actually looks as if they play on a slower game speed sometimes
On February 28 2015 11:25 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Of course the day I make the emergancy thread... I have to stay 2 1/2 hours late at work AND have to go in tomorrow
On February 28 2015 11:25 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Of course the day I make the emergancy thread... I have to stay 2 1/2 hours late at work AND have to go in tomorrow
On February 28 2015 11:25 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Of course the day I make the emergancy thread... I have to stay 2 1/2 hours late at work AND have to go in tomorrow
Only one solution: Quit your job
I wish. I could go into lengths about why work is completely horse shit right now. I miss the days of 6 months ago where I worked 5 hours a day and smoked pot the rest
On February 28 2015 11:25 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Of course the day I make the emergancy thread... I have to stay 2 1/2 hours late at work AND have to go in tomorrow
Only one solution: Quit your job
I wish. I could go into lengths about why work is completely horse shit right now. I miss the days of 6 months ago where I worked 5 hours a day and smoked pot the rest
At least they aren't forcing you to cancel your Cuban vacation.
Rotti can you at least realize that Showtime moved his zealots on purpose at the place where he would get the most friendly fire from the mines? There was nothing 'unlucky' about that...
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
18%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Morrow vs Showtime Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
ShoWTime really made a lot out of a little after being so far behind. Although he should have killed Morrow with his Immortal push, losing his Obs in widow mine splash was just unfortunate. And losing all them sentries was :/
On February 28 2015 11:44 Pontius Pirate wrote: Holy shit, WMs make for such amazingly fun spectator games. I know players have complaints against them, but it's all worth it.
Are you serious? I still find spider mines a hundred times better to watch.
On February 28 2015 11:44 Pontius Pirate wrote: Holy shit, WMs make for such amazingly fun spectator games. I know players have complaints against them, but it's all worth it.
Are you serious? I still find spider mines a hundred times better to watch.
I don't know that Spider Mines are even a viable comparison. They're a Vulture ability, not an individual unit.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
22%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Morrow vs Showtime Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On February 28 2015 12:00 Nebuchad wrote: Maybe I'm result oriented cause that's what I needed to happen, but I thought that was a really entertaining series
I enjoyed it a lot, but my StarCraft preferences seem to be an outlier.
LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
I was entertained by this series, although ShoWTime vs iA game 3 was also quite the sight to behold. >4 hours of broadcast time is like really tiresome though.
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
Considering you were whining in the middle of a PvT the terran was clearly winning, it might be a good decision.
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
He said "If you don't pay attention for one second, your whole probe line is gone.". That is even if you scout the mine drops. Defending Oracles is much easier tbh, even unscouted.
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
Considering you were whining in the middle of a PvT the terran was clearly winning, it might be a good decision.
Because the amounts of FF and PO wasnt alot? that cant be stated because thats already whining? lols, insert arguing on the internet meme picture
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
Considering you were whining in the middle of a PvT the terran was clearly winning, it might be a good decision.
Because the amounts of FF and PO wasnt alot? that cant be stated because thats already whining? lols, i will so not miss the ignorant people like you.
All I'm saying is if you're complaining about bunkers during a blink all-in on Yeonsu in february 2014, you're probably not having a good time.
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
Considering you were whining in the middle of a PvT the terran was clearly winning, it might be a good decision.
Because the amounts of FF and PO wasnt alot? that cant be stated because thats already whining? lols, i will so not miss the ignorant people like you.
All I'm saying is if you're complaining about bunkers during a blink all-in on Yeonsu in february 2014, you're probably not having a good time.
Fun fact; His name translates to "Bigbirdvomitbear"
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc.
I wish Storm drop were as common as you make them sound.
Speaking as Psionic Storm's self-proclaimed #1 fan on this forum.
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
Considering you were whining in the middle of a PvT the terran was clearly winning, it might be a good decision.
Because the amounts of FF and PO wasnt alot? that cant be stated because thats already whining? lols, i will so not miss the ignorant people like you.
All I'm saying is if you're complaining about bunkers during a blink all-in on Yeonsu in february 2014, you're probably not having a good time.
Changing the subject is always good when you are out of arguments.
On February 28 2015 12:11 Penev wrote:
Fun fact; His name translates to "Bigbirdvomitbear"
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
Considering you were whining in the middle of a PvT the terran was clearly winning, it might be a good decision.
Because the amounts of FF and PO wasnt alot? that cant be stated because thats already whining? lols, i will so not miss the ignorant people like you.
All I'm saying is if you're complaining about bunkers during a blink all-in on Yeonsu in february 2014, you're probably not having a good time.
Changing the subject is always good when you are out of arguments.
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
Considering you were whining in the middle of a PvT the terran was clearly winning, it might be a good decision.
Because the amounts of FF and PO wasnt alot? that cant be stated because thats already whining? lols, i will so not miss the ignorant people like you.
All I'm saying is if you're complaining about bunkers during a blink all-in on Yeonsu in february 2014, you're probably not having a good time.
Changing the subject is always good when you are out of arguments.
There's no debate here, what would I need arguments for?
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
Well, honestly it's hard to complain about a unit doing too much damage to your worker line just because you have no detection when you're Protoss. I love to make people with no detection suffer, and it doesn't require a lot of skill .
On February 28 2015 12:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Wut. How did MorroW beat Hydra?!? Too bad he'll lose due to the rematch curse.
One game Hydra botched his wall so Morrow got 13 drone kills with hellions after holding a roach push that cost him 17 SCVs. 3rd game was just a straight up macro game where Hydra didn't keep up.
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
Well, honestly it's hard to complain about a unit doing too much damage to your worker line just because you have no detection when you're Protoss. I love to make people with no detection suffer, and it doesn't require a lot of skill .
1 base widow mine can come out before obs if you open anything other than gate-robo
it basically pigeonholes protoss into going straight for detection, either in the form of cannons or obs - the former takes minerals away from other uses, the latter takes gas and time that we would spend producing colossus.
besides, as Protoss I complain about DTs all the time
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
Well, honestly it's hard to complain about a unit doing too much damage to your worker line just because you have no detection when you're Protoss. I love to make people with no detection suffer, and it doesn't require a lot of skill .
Inca is a god and I will not have you sully his name.
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
Well, honestly it's hard to complain about a unit doing too much damage to your worker line just because you have no detection when you're Protoss. I love to make people with no detection suffer, and it doesn't require a lot of skill .
1 base widow mine can come out before obs if you open anything other than gate-robo
it basically pigeonholes protoss into going straight for detection, either in the form of cannons or obs - the former takes minerals away from other uses, the latter takes gas and time that we would spend producing colossus.
besides, as Protoss I complain about DTs all the time
True, and believe me, I hate Widow Mines when they're used against me (and also in how they're harmful to my preferred pro-Templar, anti-Colossus styles), but when I'm watching pro-games, they are quite entertaining. The disadvantage that Widow Mines have over Dark Templar is that you can see and try to stop them on the way in, even if you have no detection. 'Course, that's easier said than done with turbovacs .
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
Well, honestly it's hard to complain about a unit doing too much damage to your worker line just because you have no detection when you're Protoss. I love to make people with no detection suffer, and it doesn't require a lot of skill .
Inca is a god and I will not have you sully his name.
I feel that he's a whimsical god more than an assiduous one though .
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
60%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
40%
5 total votes
Your vote: Morrow vs Hydra Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
Well, honestly it's hard to complain about a unit doing too much damage to your worker line just because you have no detection when you're Protoss. I love to make people with no detection suffer, and it doesn't require a lot of skill .
1 base widow mine can come out before obs if you open anything other than gate-robo
it basically pigeonholes protoss into going straight for detection, either in the form of cannons or obs - the former takes minerals away from other uses, the latter takes gas and time that we would spend producing colossus.
besides, as Protoss I complain about DTs all the time
True, and believe me, I hate Widow Mines when they're used against me (and also in how they're harmful to my preferred pro-Templar, anti-Colossus styles), but when I'm watching pro-games, they are quite entertaining. The disadvantage that Widow Mines have over Dark Templar is that you can see and try to stop them on the way in, even if you have no detection. 'Course, that's easier said than done with turbovacs .
I don't think "good entertainment value" is justifiable as a reason for their unnecessary bonus vs Protoss.
It's especially hard when you have only a couple of stalkers in the early game and they just can't kill things fast enough. You literally have to be on point with your units and MSC or you will lose so much. Which may be okay for a lot of high level players, but for lesser skilled ones it isn't. To the point that practically every Terran I've played against from silver to diamond league goes for mine drops.
Apart from that one guy who did a 1 base thor rush with all SCVs pulled.
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
Well, honestly it's hard to complain about a unit doing too much damage to your worker line just because you have no detection when you're Protoss. I love to make people with no detection suffer, and it doesn't require a lot of skill .
1 base widow mine can come out before obs if you open anything other than gate-robo
it basically pigeonholes protoss into going straight for detection, either in the form of cannons or obs - the former takes minerals away from other uses, the latter takes gas and time that we would spend producing colossus.
besides, as Protoss I complain about DTs all the time
True, and believe me, I hate Widow Mines when they're used against me (and also in how they're harmful to my preferred pro-Templar, anti-Colossus styles), but when I'm watching pro-games, they are quite entertaining. The disadvantage that Widow Mines have over Dark Templar is that you can see and try to stop them on the way in, even if you have no detection. 'Course, that's easier said than done with turbovacs .
I don't think "good entertainment value" is justifiable as a reason for their unnecessary bonus vs Protoss.
It's especially hard when you have only a couple of stalkers in the early game and they just can't kill things fast enough. You literally have to be on point with your units and MSC or you will lose so much. Which may be okay for a lot of high level players, but for lesser skilled ones it isn't. To the point that practically every Terran I've played against from silver to diamond league goes for mine drops.
Apart from that one guy who did a 1 base thor rush with all SCVs pulled.
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
Well, honestly it's hard to complain about a unit doing too much damage to your worker line just because you have no detection when you're Protoss. I love to make people with no detection suffer, and it doesn't require a lot of skill .
1 base widow mine can come out before obs if you open anything other than gate-robo
it basically pigeonholes protoss into going straight for detection, either in the form of cannons or obs - the former takes minerals away from other uses, the latter takes gas and time that we would spend producing colossus.
besides, as Protoss I complain about DTs all the time
True, and believe me, I hate Widow Mines when they're used against me (and also in how they're harmful to my preferred pro-Templar, anti-Colossus styles), but when I'm watching pro-games, they are quite entertaining. The disadvantage that Widow Mines have over Dark Templar is that you can see and try to stop them on the way in, even if you have no detection. 'Course, that's easier said than done with turbovacs .
I don't think "good entertainment value" is justifiable as a reason for their unnecessary bonus vs Protoss.
It's especially hard when you have only a couple of stalkers in the early game and they just can't kill things fast enough. You literally have to be on point with your units and MSC or you will lose so much. Which may be okay for a lot of high level players, but for lesser skilled ones it isn't. To the point that practically every Terran I've played against from silver to diamond league goes for mine drops.
Apart from that one guy who did a 1 base thor rush with all SCVs pulled.
Blizzard said they thought they buffed it too much didn't they? That was quite a while ago, strange they didn't actually change it
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
Well, honestly it's hard to complain about a unit doing too much damage to your worker line just because you have no detection when you're Protoss. I love to make people with no detection suffer, and it doesn't require a lot of skill .
1 base widow mine can come out before obs if you open anything other than gate-robo
it basically pigeonholes protoss into going straight for detection, either in the form of cannons or obs - the former takes minerals away from other uses, the latter takes gas and time that we would spend producing colossus.
besides, as Protoss I complain about DTs all the time
True, and believe me, I hate Widow Mines when they're used against me (and also in how they're harmful to my preferred pro-Templar, anti-Colossus styles), but when I'm watching pro-games, they are quite entertaining. The disadvantage that Widow Mines have over Dark Templar is that you can see and try to stop them on the way in, even if you have no detection. 'Course, that's easier said than done with turbovacs .
I don't think "good entertainment value" is justifiable as a reason for their unnecessary bonus vs Protoss.
It's especially hard when you have only a couple of stalkers in the early game and they just can't kill things fast enough. You literally have to be on point with your units and MSC or you will lose so much. Which may be okay for a lot of high level players, but for lesser skilled ones it isn't. To the point that practically every Terran I've played against from silver to diamond league goes for mine drops.
Apart from that one guy who did a 1 base thor rush with all SCVs pulled.
Blizzard said they thought they buffed it too much didn't they? That was quite a while ago, strange they didn't actually change it
There was a PvP finals at an IEM about a week after they proposed the change, so it got instantly scrapped.
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
Well, honestly it's hard to complain about a unit doing too much damage to your worker line just because you have no detection when you're Protoss. I love to make people with no detection suffer, and it doesn't require a lot of skill .
1 base widow mine can come out before obs if you open anything other than gate-robo
it basically pigeonholes protoss into going straight for detection, either in the form of cannons or obs - the former takes minerals away from other uses, the latter takes gas and time that we would spend producing colossus.
besides, as Protoss I complain about DTs all the time
True, and believe me, I hate Widow Mines when they're used against me (and also in how they're harmful to my preferred pro-Templar, anti-Colossus styles), but when I'm watching pro-games, they are quite entertaining. The disadvantage that Widow Mines have over Dark Templar is that you can see and try to stop them on the way in, even if you have no detection. 'Course, that's easier said than done with turbovacs .
I don't think "good entertainment value" is justifiable as a reason for their unnecessary bonus vs Protoss.
Which may be okay for a lot of high level players, but for lesser skilled ones it isn't.
Lesser skilled protoss play against lesser skilled terrans who won't get as much out of their mine drops. It balances out. If it doesn't for you, then alter your build to counter mine drop play more than you're doing now.
Neat micro from MorroW. Not terribly convinced by that build though; hydra batted it aside fairly easily. I guess its not all bad since he got the third.
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
Well, honestly it's hard to complain about a unit doing too much damage to your worker line just because you have no detection when you're Protoss. I love to make people with no detection suffer, and it doesn't require a lot of skill .
1 base widow mine can come out before obs if you open anything other than gate-robo
it basically pigeonholes protoss into going straight for detection, either in the form of cannons or obs - the former takes minerals away from other uses, the latter takes gas and time that we would spend producing colossus.
besides, as Protoss I complain about DTs all the time
True, and believe me, I hate Widow Mines when they're used against me (and also in how they're harmful to my preferred pro-Templar, anti-Colossus styles), but when I'm watching pro-games, they are quite entertaining. The disadvantage that Widow Mines have over Dark Templar is that you can see and try to stop them on the way in, even if you have no detection. 'Course, that's easier said than done with turbovacs .
I don't think "good entertainment value" is justifiable as a reason for their unnecessary bonus vs Protoss.
Which may be okay for a lot of high level players, but for lesser skilled ones it isn't.
Lesser skilled protoss play against lesser skilled terrans who won't get as much out of their mine drops. It balances out. If it doesn't for you, then alter your build to counter mine drop play more than you're doing now.
nah, that's very untrue I'm afraid. lesser skilled players will suffer a lot more because they can't deal with them. higher skilled players can maybe get like 5-6 kills. lesser skilled players can get as many as 20.
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
Well, honestly it's hard to complain about a unit doing too much damage to your worker line just because you have no detection when you're Protoss. I love to make people with no detection suffer, and it doesn't require a lot of skill .
1 base widow mine can come out before obs if you open anything other than gate-robo
it basically pigeonholes protoss into going straight for detection, either in the form of cannons or obs - the former takes minerals away from other uses, the latter takes gas and time that we would spend producing colossus.
besides, as Protoss I complain about DTs all the time
True, and believe me, I hate Widow Mines when they're used against me (and also in how they're harmful to my preferred pro-Templar, anti-Colossus styles), but when I'm watching pro-games, they are quite entertaining. The disadvantage that Widow Mines have over Dark Templar is that you can see and try to stop them on the way in, even if you have no detection. 'Course, that's easier said than done with turbovacs .
I don't think "good entertainment value" is justifiable as a reason for their unnecessary bonus vs Protoss.
Which may be okay for a lot of high level players, but for lesser skilled ones it isn't.
Lesser skilled protoss play against lesser skilled terrans who won't get as much out of their mine drops. It balances out. If it doesn't for you, then alter your build to counter mine drop play more than you're doing now.
nah, that's very untrue I'm afraid. lesser skilled players will suffer a lot more because they can't deal with them. higher skilled players can maybe get like 5-6 kills. lesser skilled players can get as many as 20.
I agree. Widow mines like swarmhosts are asymmetric in skill level needed until it reaches a certain level. The terran only needs to be good at controlling the mines, if the Protoss is good at fighting them off.
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
Well, honestly it's hard to complain about a unit doing too much damage to your worker line just because you have no detection when you're Protoss. I love to make people with no detection suffer, and it doesn't require a lot of skill .
1 base widow mine can come out before obs if you open anything other than gate-robo
it basically pigeonholes protoss into going straight for detection, either in the form of cannons or obs - the former takes minerals away from other uses, the latter takes gas and time that we would spend producing colossus.
besides, as Protoss I complain about DTs all the time
True, and believe me, I hate Widow Mines when they're used against me (and also in how they're harmful to my preferred pro-Templar, anti-Colossus styles), but when I'm watching pro-games, they are quite entertaining. The disadvantage that Widow Mines have over Dark Templar is that you can see and try to stop them on the way in, even if you have no detection. 'Course, that's easier said than done with turbovacs .
I don't think "good entertainment value" is justifiable as a reason for their unnecessary bonus vs Protoss.
Which may be okay for a lot of high level players, but for lesser skilled ones it isn't.
Lesser skilled protoss play against lesser skilled terrans who won't get as much out of their mine drops. It balances out. If it doesn't for you, then alter your build to counter mine drop play more than you're doing now.
nah, that's very untrue I'm afraid. lesser skilled players will suffer a lot more because they can't deal with them. higher skilled players can maybe get like 5-6 kills. lesser skilled players can get as many as 20.
Oh sorry I see what you meant now. "balances out" wasn't the best way to say what I wanted to say.
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
Well, honestly it's hard to complain about a unit doing too much damage to your worker line just because you have no detection when you're Protoss. I love to make people with no detection suffer, and it doesn't require a lot of skill .
1 base widow mine can come out before obs if you open anything other than gate-robo
it basically pigeonholes protoss into going straight for detection, either in the form of cannons or obs - the former takes minerals away from other uses, the latter takes gas and time that we would spend producing colossus.
besides, as Protoss I complain about DTs all the time
True, and believe me, I hate Widow Mines when they're used against me (and also in how they're harmful to my preferred pro-Templar, anti-Colossus styles), but when I'm watching pro-games, they are quite entertaining. The disadvantage that Widow Mines have over Dark Templar is that you can see and try to stop them on the way in, even if you have no detection. 'Course, that's easier said than done with turbovacs .
I don't think "good entertainment value" is justifiable as a reason for their unnecessary bonus vs Protoss.
Which may be okay for a lot of high level players, but for lesser skilled ones it isn't.
Lesser skilled protoss play against lesser skilled terrans who won't get as much out of their mine drops. It balances out. If it doesn't for you, then alter your build to counter mine drop play more than you're doing now.
That's not really accurate. Some strategies are more rewarding to lower skill players. Both sides being of proportionately lower skill doesn't mean that the balance will be similar.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
3 total votes
Your vote: Morrow vs Hydra Game 2?
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Poll: Morrow vs Hydra Game 3?
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (2)
67%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
33%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
3 total votes
Your vote: Morrow vs Hydra Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
Well, honestly it's hard to complain about a unit doing too much damage to your worker line just because you have no detection when you're Protoss. I love to make people with no detection suffer, and it doesn't require a lot of skill .
1 base widow mine can come out before obs if you open anything other than gate-robo
it basically pigeonholes protoss into going straight for detection, either in the form of cannons or obs - the former takes minerals away from other uses, the latter takes gas and time that we would spend producing colossus.
besides, as Protoss I complain about DTs all the time
True, and believe me, I hate Widow Mines when they're used against me (and also in how they're harmful to my preferred pro-Templar, anti-Colossus styles), but when I'm watching pro-games, they are quite entertaining. The disadvantage that Widow Mines have over Dark Templar is that you can see and try to stop them on the way in, even if you have no detection. 'Course, that's easier said than done with turbovacs .
I don't think "good entertainment value" is justifiable as a reason for their unnecessary bonus vs Protoss.
Which may be okay for a lot of high level players, but for lesser skilled ones it isn't.
Lesser skilled protoss play against lesser skilled terrans who won't get as much out of their mine drops. It balances out. If it doesn't for you, then alter your build to counter mine drop play more than you're doing now.
That's not really accurate. Some strategies are more rewarding to lower skill players. Both sides being of proportionately lower skill doesn't mean that the balance will be similar.
Yeah balances out wasn't the right way to say that, I agree. But you don't have to be as efficient at defense to counter the mines of Joe94. Honestly the reason I'm arguing against you is that I've been opening DTs with a fast forge the whole time in diamond and I never had much trouble with drop mines, and trust me it's not because of my amazing skills.
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
Well, honestly it's hard to complain about a unit doing too much damage to your worker line just because you have no detection when you're Protoss. I love to make people with no detection suffer, and it doesn't require a lot of skill .
1 base widow mine can come out before obs if you open anything other than gate-robo
it basically pigeonholes protoss into going straight for detection, either in the form of cannons or obs - the former takes minerals away from other uses, the latter takes gas and time that we would spend producing colossus.
besides, as Protoss I complain about DTs all the time
True, and believe me, I hate Widow Mines when they're used against me (and also in how they're harmful to my preferred pro-Templar, anti-Colossus styles), but when I'm watching pro-games, they are quite entertaining. The disadvantage that Widow Mines have over Dark Templar is that you can see and try to stop them on the way in, even if you have no detection. 'Course, that's easier said than done with turbovacs .
I don't think "good entertainment value" is justifiable as a reason for their unnecessary bonus vs Protoss.
Which may be okay for a lot of high level players, but for lesser skilled ones it isn't.
Lesser skilled protoss play against lesser skilled terrans who won't get as much out of their mine drops. It balances out. If it doesn't for you, then alter your build to counter mine drop play more than you're doing now.
That's not really accurate. Some strategies are more rewarding to lower skill players. Both sides being of proportionately lower skill doesn't mean that the balance will be similar.
Yeah balances out wasn't the right way to say that, I agree. But you don't have to be as efficient at defense to counter the mines of Joe94. Honestly the reason I'm arguing against you is that I've been opening DTs with a fast forge the whole time in diamond and I never had much trouble with drop mines, and trust me it's not because of my amazing skills.
I don't think you've been arguing with me, I've got very little relevant stuff to say about balance, given that I regularly Korean 4 Warpgate All-in players in Platinum. That build isn't supposed to have been viable since WoL beta. Some strategies just happen to work better at lower leagues. Back when I was getting friends interested in SC2 (This was back in WoL, before the Mothership Core) I'd always recommend they play Terran, because stim a-moving Marines is easier than learning to Forcefield yourself alive or knowing when to Drone and when to make combat units. Yet Masters level players here kept insisting that Terran was the hardest race to play.
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
Well, honestly it's hard to complain about a unit doing too much damage to your worker line just because you have no detection when you're Protoss. I love to make people with no detection suffer, and it doesn't require a lot of skill .
1 base widow mine can come out before obs if you open anything other than gate-robo
it basically pigeonholes protoss into going straight for detection, either in the form of cannons or obs - the former takes minerals away from other uses, the latter takes gas and time that we would spend producing colossus.
besides, as Protoss I complain about DTs all the time
True, and believe me, I hate Widow Mines when they're used against me (and also in how they're harmful to my preferred pro-Templar, anti-Colossus styles), but when I'm watching pro-games, they are quite entertaining. The disadvantage that Widow Mines have over Dark Templar is that you can see and try to stop them on the way in, even if you have no detection. 'Course, that's easier said than done with turbovacs .
I don't think "good entertainment value" is justifiable as a reason for their unnecessary bonus vs Protoss.
Which may be okay for a lot of high level players, but for lesser skilled ones it isn't.
Lesser skilled protoss play against lesser skilled terrans who won't get as much out of their mine drops. It balances out. If it doesn't for you, then alter your build to counter mine drop play more than you're doing now.
That's not really accurate. Some strategies are more rewarding to lower skill players. Both sides being of proportionately lower skill doesn't mean that the balance will be similar.
Yeah balances out wasn't the right way to say that, I agree. But you don't have to be as efficient at defense to counter the mines of Joe94. Honestly the reason I'm arguing against you is that I've been opening DTs with a fast forge the whole time in diamond and I never had much trouble with drop mines, and trust me it's not because of my amazing skills.
again, I think you are wrong. you have to be next to flawless to defend the various widow mine timings, or you have to build a bunch of cannons early on which makes you vulnerable to a standard bio timing, or make a load of obs which slows down colossus - and either way you're forfeiting any ability to harass the terran.
it's the kind of strategy, like a DT rush or cloaked banshee rush or speedling all in that makes newer/lesser skilled players stop wanting to play the game. but it's not a one off cheese that happens 1 game out of 100, it happens almost every single TvP because of how effective it is and how lower league players will straight up die to it.
but ofc Blizz do not care about anything below masters 1v1 - they pay no attention to lower leagues or team games or anything. which is why less and less people are playing or caring about sc2. but whatever.
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
Well, honestly it's hard to complain about a unit doing too much damage to your worker line just because you have no detection when you're Protoss. I love to make people with no detection suffer, and it doesn't require a lot of skill .
1 base widow mine can come out before obs if you open anything other than gate-robo
it basically pigeonholes protoss into going straight for detection, either in the form of cannons or obs - the former takes minerals away from other uses, the latter takes gas and time that we would spend producing colossus.
besides, as Protoss I complain about DTs all the time
True, and believe me, I hate Widow Mines when they're used against me (and also in how they're harmful to my preferred pro-Templar, anti-Colossus styles), but when I'm watching pro-games, they are quite entertaining. The disadvantage that Widow Mines have over Dark Templar is that you can see and try to stop them on the way in, even if you have no detection. 'Course, that's easier said than done with turbovacs .
I don't think "good entertainment value" is justifiable as a reason for their unnecessary bonus vs Protoss.
Which may be okay for a lot of high level players, but for lesser skilled ones it isn't.
Lesser skilled protoss play against lesser skilled terrans who won't get as much out of their mine drops. It balances out. If it doesn't for you, then alter your build to counter mine drop play more than you're doing now.
That's not really accurate. Some strategies are more rewarding to lower skill players. Both sides being of proportionately lower skill doesn't mean that the balance will be similar.
Yeah balances out wasn't the right way to say that, I agree. But you don't have to be as efficient at defense to counter the mines of Joe94. Honestly the reason I'm arguing against you is that I've been opening DTs with a fast forge the whole time in diamond and I never had much trouble with drop mines, and trust me it's not because of my amazing skills.
Balance just isn't universal, I don't think.
Mostly because it has different definitions depending on who you're talking to
On February 28 2015 12:04 PinoKotsBeer wrote: LOLOL Showtime: "tvp is hard because of the mines, you can lose a lot of probes in a second" Guess how terran feels vs toss... with orcale, storm, etc. I stopped playing this game, i should stop watching it as well.
but it's true though. all you have to do is plonk a mine down and unless there are obs everywhere you will lose probes, and they do so much damage they can kill 7-8 probes easy.
and it's kinda hard to determine if/when they're coming since terran openings can look the same - you scout reactor factory and think mines, position to defend against drops, and then die to a hellbat push (for example).
oracles require micro, especially if there's a turret.
in fact pretty much every form of harass for every race requires effort and micro to execute.
the widow mine is basically a swarm host with no range. and splash damage. and extra damage vs protoss. you just burrow and wait for the goodies - except in TvZ where they are used much more 'appropriately' as part of the army and tactically to zone out areas/create space etc. which I like.
Well, honestly it's hard to complain about a unit doing too much damage to your worker line just because you have no detection when you're Protoss. I love to make people with no detection suffer, and it doesn't require a lot of skill .
Inca is a god and I will not have you sully his name.
gratz hydra showtime, too bad morrow couldn't finish first one game from advancing, but that's how this format works. one game between advancing first and going out third. still a great performance resultwise by morrow!
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