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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On September 30 2014 08:45 Darkhorse wrote: So he popped out and got 3k concurrent viewers while other streamers who are actually good are struggling from where exactly? mass exodus from theSTC's stream once he retired. Or maybe it was Liquid'Sea? Now that I think of it, they may come from thebestfou's fanclub.... | ||
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
On September 30 2014 08:50 Apollo_Shards wrote: mass exodus from theSTC's stream once he retired. Or maybe it was Liquid'Sea? No guys it was from Flash's stream when he streamed that one time | ||
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
Well there's this statistical analysis from Reddit which proved him innocent, the fact that he has never shown up in The Twitch Bot Detector. I don't have a source for the Twitch but it is true and there's no way Twitch would allow someone to get a Premium Partnership (which allows the streamer to get more sub and and ad revenue from Twitch) if they viewbotted. Winter has said (as has Ketroc) that he has on a couple of isolated occasions had a view bot run on his channel without permission as a sort of free sample. But that is not in his control and not something he can be blamed for. | ||
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On September 30 2014 08:53 AWalker9 wrote: No guys it was from Flash's stream when he streamed that one time Haha I was actually thinking of typing that before I went with the Haypro/Jinro theory. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On September 30 2014 08:54 Crot4le wrote: Well there's this statistical analysis from Reddit which proved him innocent, the fact that he has never shown up in The Twitch Bot Detector. I don't have a source for the Twitch but it is true and there's no way Twitch would allow someone to get a Premium Partnership (which allows the streamer to get more sub and and ad revenue from Twitch) if they viewbotted. Winter has said (as has Ketroc) that he has on a couple of isolated occasions had a view bot run on his channel without permission as a sort of free sample. But that is not in his control and not something he can be blamed for. Then where did his viewership come from? His play is sub par (compared to other streamers) and his casting is just ok. Where did all those viewers come from and how did they all come so fast? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
It is kinda a witch hunt, i actually don't think this should be ok on these forums, where can i post this complain to get some discussion on this? | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On September 30 2014 09:00 The_Red_Viper wrote: I don't understand why it is ok for people to spread this hate towards winter tbh (not only hate, this are serious accusations which damage his brand cause people believe everything more than one "source" says). It is kinda a witch hunt, i actually don't think this should be ok on these forums, where can i post this complain to get some discussion on this? Website feedback gogo And apparently it's not going to hurt him because he's getting hosting gigs out of the blue | ||
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
On September 30 2014 09:00 Darkhorse wrote: Then where did his viewership come from? His play is sub par (compared to other streamers) and his casting is just ok. Where did all those viewers come from and how did they all come so fast? Dude, the statistics speak for themselves read the Reddit thread. Unless you want to accuse Stephano of viewbotting as well then you simply can't say that Winter is viewbotting. I'll post the conclusion for clarity but I would recommend that people have a look at the raw statistics themselves. So, is someone viewbotting Winter's channel? Probably not, unless someone is viewbotting both his and Stephano’s stream as well. Stephano and Winter have roughly the same statistics across the board in every metric. According to chat message counts, unique people in chat, followers, and drops in viewer count over a 2 minute period of time, both winter and Stephano have roughly equivalent statistics across the board (though Stephano has higher average and peak viewer counts). Similarly, other metrics used (such as messages in chat, and "drops" in viewer count, as cited on Unfiltered) fall apart under closer scrutiny. Other SC2 streamers have very similar numbers in terms of chat messages, people chatting, and "viewer drops". At this point, only twitch could find out if someone is view botting, and if Winter is botting (based on the statistics), other popular sc2 streamers (such as stephano) must be as well. Let me introduce a radical theory here. Maybe people tune into Winter's streams because they like his content because they have a different taste to you? Outlandish, I know. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
Community should rally around a guy like Rifkin so Winter stays home. This guy has put 10 000 times the effort. Hell Id rather get avilo casting than Winter. dont know what is the deal between Take and Winter, but there is still time to give the fans what they want! ( and reward an awesome member of the sc2 community ) | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On September 30 2014 08:54 Crot4le wrote: Well there's this statistical analysis from Reddit which proved him innocent, the fact that he has never shown up in The Twitch Bot Detector. I don't have a source for the Twitch but it is true and there's no way Twitch would allow someone to get a Premium Partnership (which allows the streamer to get more sub and and ad revenue from Twitch) if they viewbotted. Winter has said (as has Ketroc) that he has on a couple of isolated occasions had a view bot run on his channel without permission as a sort of free sample. But that is not in his control and not something he can be blamed for. I'm going to help you since you apparently haven't researched twitch view bots at all. 1. Bots not only watch streams, they also talk in the chat(source: found this in 5 seconds using google: https://onlinestreambot.com/ ). The reddit link is worthless. 2. " there's no way Twitch would allow someone to get a Premium Partnership (which allows the streamer to get more sub and and ad revenue from Twitch) if they view botted. " One of the major advertisement points for these view bot selling companies is helping you get partnered quickly. 3. What Winter says on the topic doesn't matter, you could easily claim that someone else is view botting you and there's nothing you can do about it while actually being the one doing it yourself. Who in the fuck would spend their own money on view botting someone else's channel?(Okay I'm sure It's been done, but really how unlikely is this) This guy is not relevant to the esports scene at all, how he's being included in an event this big is baffling | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 30 2014 09:02 Darkhorse wrote: Website feedback gogo And apparently it's not going to hurt him because he's getting hosting gigs out of the blue I actually don't bother cause TL seems fine with it regardless. I just think it is kinda sad you apparently can accuse somebody without any real evidence and get away with it. Whatever, hate on! | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
On September 30 2014 09:07 Dodgin wrote: I'm going to help you since you apparently haven't researched twitch view bots at all. 1. Bots not only watch streams, they also talk in the chat(source: found this in 5 seconds using google: https://onlinestreambot.com/ ). The reddit link is worthless. Not it's not at all worthless. It is analysing several data points, chat activity is only one of them. And besides, the numbers Winter pulls goes way beyond of the bot you are linking (only 40 chatters and 200 live viewers a month). Besides, if you ever have been in Winter's chat you would know how authentic it is. No different to BaseTradeTV's chat with similar numbers. On September 30 2014 09:07 Dodgin wrote:2. " there's no way Twitch would allow someone to get a Premium Partnership (which allows the streamer to get more sub and and ad revenue from Twitch) if they view botted. " One of the major advertisement points for these view bot selling companies is helping you get partnered quickly. Well obviously it doesn't work because Twitch has more about them, hence why Winter was recently cleared by them. On September 30 2014 09:07 Dodgin wrote:3. What Winter says on the topic doesn't matter, you could easily claim that someone else is view botting you and there's nothing you can do about it while actually being the one doing it yourself. Who in the fuck would spend their own money on view botting someone else's channel?(Okay I'm sure It's been done, but really how unlikely is this) Are you calling Ketroc a liar too? And I'm pretty sure that Rifkin has talked about some dodgy stuff with the viewer count that he was unsure about too. I mean at this stage despite all the evidence you are clearly just believing what you want to believe because the reality contradicts your preconceived beliefs and opinion of the guy. | ||
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
On September 30 2014 09:12 The_Red_Viper wrote: I actually don't bother cause TL seems fine with it regardless. I just think it is kinda sad you apparently can accuse somebody without any real evidence and get away with it. Whatever, hate on! Darkhorse is actually a writer for Team Liquid so you'd never get anywhere anyway. But besides, it's almost good in a way that people post defamatory shit because it gives people a chance to post the facts and put them straight so I don't think censorship and reporting the thread is the way to go anyway. As for Darkhorse, I dunno, he always seemed like a cool guy to me in all his other posts on here.  | ||
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AcePlaysRandom
Canada9 Posts
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holyjaw
United States4 Posts
On September 30 2014 08:45 Darkhorse wrote: So he popped out and got 3k concurrent viewers while other streamers who are actually good are struggling from where exactly? Nope. He was pretty unknown until about 12 months ago, exploded in December by doing community casting for some event (IEM? DH?) then steadily grew past 1K, then 1.5K, then 2K and beyond from about February till today. Also, the fact that Twitch gave him a PREMIUM partnership means he's been cleared by them. (Not to mention the fact that staff chat with him in his own channel). Plus the Reddit thread statistically proving he doesn't bot. Plus community alarms like the Twitch_Bot Twitter account or however it's called. How much proof do we need to throw at you before you drop this ridiculous tirade? I say this to everyone that steps in here just to whine about Winter and throw not only baseless but demonstrably false accusations against the guy. | ||
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Wasaru
United States91 Posts
Geoff has 75000 twitter followers and has 900 viewers at the moment. Yea right, leave the kiddy home, give the plane ticket and opportunity to someone who actually earned it | ||
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tomastaz
United States976 Posts
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On September 30 2014 09:39 Crot4le wrote: Not it's not at all worthless. It is analysing several data points, chat activity is only one of them. And besides, the numbers Winter pulls goes way beyond of the bot you are linking (only 40 chatters and 200 live viewers a month). Besides, if you ever have been in Winter's chat you would know how authentic it is. No different to BaseTradeTV's chat with similar numbers. Well obviously it doesn't work because Twitch has more about them, hence why Winter was recently cleared by them. Are you calling Ketroc a liar too? And I'm pretty sure that Rifkin has talked about some dodgy stuff with the viewer count that he was unsure about too. I mean at this stage despite all the evidence you are clearly just believing what you want to believe because the reality contradicts your preconceived beliefs and opinion of the guy. I don't care enough about this to write another long post but your idea of " evidence " is fucking hilarious I'll leave it at this: there are twitch staff that are in on this shit, it's a corrupt business just like any other in the world. | ||
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