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On July 06 2014 12:44 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 12:42 Caihead wrote:On July 06 2014 12:41 stuchiu wrote:On July 06 2014 12:33 IntoTheheart wrote:On July 06 2014 12:30 stuchiu wrote:
Hyun has weird ZvP. If Pigbaby understands it he should win. If he gets caught off guard he'll lose. You know KeSPA. Preparation, preparation, preparation. I don't believe that. Flash went cc first against Shine. Doing exactly what you are known to do when you know your opponent studies you is in itself a viable strategy, reverse mind games. There is this thing called "keeping your opponent honest" in fgc. Basically you don't do the double mind game until they force you to respect the single level mind game.
Well in Flash's case his strategy of cc first is just not viable in SC2 generally, if it were among the most viable choices he would have much more success with it imo. We've seen the double mind game work for multiple players for months (Parting during and after the soul-train period; Innovation doing hellbat drops every single game).
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
I don't think there was any double mind game for Parting or Inno during soul train or hellbat drops.
Parting legitimately thought no one could stop his soul train.
Inno legitimately thought no one could stop his hellbat drops.
Both were right. (Cept when Inno got roach bane busted 6 times between Symbol and Soulkey)
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Leenock has said he's done double mind games. He lets Protoss see his overlord that scouts the building stargate. Lets it die to a stalker. And then prepares for robo tech assuming that Protoss canceled it and made it into something else.
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Is this a joke? Did taeja really get 3-0ed? Please tell me its a joke.
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your Country52797 Posts
On July 06 2014 12:51 Morbidius wrote:
Is this a joke? Did taeja really get 3-0ed? Please tell me its a joke.
I wish I could T___T
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On July 06 2014 12:35 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 12:34 PhoenixVoid wrote:
HyuN's ZvP lately has been focused on Ling/Roach/Muta with Melee and Carapace I haven't seen him pull out the Roach/Hydra/Viper composition in a while. If Pigbaby's capable of being defensive, which of the two styles would be favourable?
If Pigbaby is defensive it works better for him cause he can build up to a better deathball off two or three base with superior tech and upgrades. If he gets aggressive I don't see him winning against HyuN because he is playing into his hands.
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On July 06 2014 12:54 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 12:35 IntoTheheart wrote:On July 06 2014 12:34 PhoenixVoid wrote:
HyuN's ZvP lately has been focused on Ling/Roach/Muta with Melee and Carapace I haven't seen him pull out the Roach/Hydra/Viper composition in a while. If Pigbaby's capable of being defensive, which of the two styles would be favourable? If Pigbaby is defensive it works better for him cause he can build up to a better deathball off two or three base with superior tech and upgrades. If he gets aggressive I don't see him winning against HyuN because he is playing into his hands.
Would you say that the openings would decide the entire series more so than the midgame play?
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On July 06 2014 12:51 Morbidius wrote:
Is this a joke? Did taeja really get 3-0ed? Please tell me its a joke.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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On July 06 2014 12:51 Morbidius wrote:
Is this a joke? Did taeja really get 3-0ed? Please tell me its a joke.
Yeah, its a joke, ESL, Liquipedia and this LR thread all collaborated to make a very late, hilarious April Fools joke.
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WTF?!? I left after Polt. Whelp.
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On July 06 2014 12:51 Morbidius wrote:
Is this a joke? Did taeja really get 3-0ed? Please tell me its a joke.
Joke? No
Hilarious? Yes
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At least I still have Bomber to cheer for :c
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No taeja! good thing I couldn't stay up last night, I don't know how I could've taken it.
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So, I just got home from my first time ever in the audience for a live esports event. I have been in the house for 3 minutes, and here's what I have to say:
That. Was. Amazing.
First of all, the studio is sick, the production is on the money, and they really knew how to make an audience feel welcome. On break? Clutch is walking around, Nate might be walking around, stop one of them and ask a question if you'd like! Hell, Camdozer will come up and talk to you! Also, there was pizza. That was pretty cool.
Second off, the audience was electric. I don't know how much of us you could hear on the stream, but there was always hype happening. People were either discussing the game amongst themselves, or they were "oooooh"ing at some big move, or, of course, finding something to yell out or chant in excitement. Yes, guys, the Observer hype was so, incredibly real.
Third, this tournament has given rise to 2 great people to have at any event - Qxc as a caster (though I'd still rather he be at the keyboard than the mic), and Clutch as a top-notch host. Qxc's stellar casting is self-evident, but I do wanna mention how wonderful to see a player-caster who, while still being a great analyst really lets loose with personality. Clutch really worked the room. He cued us when we were live and they'd hear our cheering, he gave us a little background on parts of the interviews that didn't make the final cut, he really just did everything you'd want a host to do. He can seriously challenge Redeye for the best host in the English-speaking world.
I'll answer some questions if anyone wants. Anyway, I might be in the pictures ESL puts up on Reddit tomorrow (I'm sure my voice will be in a couple of the VODs). Look for a guy with dark hair, big glasses, and a black shirt with the Phoenix Wright "Objection!" text on it.
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On July 06 2014 12:49 stuchiu wrote:
I don't think there was any double mind game for Parting or Inno during soul train or hellbat drops.
Parting legitimately thought no one could stop his soul train.
Inno legitimately thought no one could stop his hellbat drops.
Both were right. (Cept when Inno got roach bane busted 6 times between Symbol and Soulkey)
Yet, when everybody expected Parting to not do his soul train because he's facing someone who's successfully defused it, he did it. He didn't always win with it, but to me that's symbolic of the double mind game. Same with innovation imo.
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On July 06 2014 14:04 Circumstance wrote:
Second off, the audience was electric. I don't know how much of us you could hear on the stream, but there was always hype happening. People were either discussing the game amongst themselves, or they were "oooooh"ing at some big move, or, of course, finding something to yell out or chant in excitement. Yes, guys, the Observer hype was so, incredibly real.
The Observer crowd may go down as one of my favourite e-sport experiences. I cannot understate how much I loved watching the stream, and wish I'd been there live.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On July 06 2014 14:21 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 12:49 stuchiu wrote:
I don't think there was any double mind game for Parting or Inno during soul train or hellbat drops.
Parting legitimately thought no one could stop his soul train.
Inno legitimately thought no one could stop his hellbat drops.
Both were right. (Cept when Inno got roach bane busted 6 times between Symbol and Soulkey) Yet, when everybody expected Parting to not do his soul train because he's facing someone who's successfully defused it, he did it. He didn't always win with it, but to me that's symbolic of the double mind game. Same with innovation imo.
Only three people have ever take maps off of Parting's WoL Soul Train. Of those only two ever won the series. I can't really think of a time he didn't win with it.
And no one ever successfully defused Inno's hellbats unless we count Soulkey's finals. He was nerfed to not use it.
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On July 06 2014 12:51 Morbidius wrote:
Is this a joke? Did taeja really get 3-0ed? Please tell me its a joke.
The first two games weren't even close. Taeja just couldn't get any harass in. Overall, he got outplayed hard by Pigbaby.
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Taeja Summer Already over.
So happy 
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