sOs vs Bbyong could be a good game not seen sOs PvT in a while. I just like Maru to much not to anything but hyped for a warm up TvZ as he plays Soulkey in RO8
On June 10 2014 20:48 Ramiz1989 wrote: Moonglade: "Standard opening from both players"
If it isn't double proxy rax from Maru vs. Zerg, then it isn't standard. LOL :D
Also Maru went for marine first as this map has so much open space he is trying to snipe overlords. So no, this isn't really standard opening Standard is Reaper first
I don't know what Maru is trying to do with this unit comp. There's way too many Roaches for this unit comp to trade effectively. Maru needs Marauders or at the very least Medivacs.
Wtf EffOrt why did he play so well. Maru didn't do much wrong, denied as much scouting as he could. He attacked at nice timings just EffOrt was one step ahead of him like he was Soulkey or something 0.O
On June 10 2014 20:54 Pandemona wrote: Wtf EffOrt why did he play so well. Maru didn't do much wrong, denied as much scouting as he could. He attacked at nice timings just EffOrt was one step ahead of him like he was Soulkey or something 0.O
Perfect composition against what Maru had. If Maru had Stim or some Marauders it could end up differently.
On June 10 2014 20:55 PVJ wrote: Just missed this, what happened?
Maru went for hellbats/marines/cloaked banshees, Effort scouted everything with early overlord speed, got roaches and queens, crushed the push and countered with nydus.
On June 10 2014 21:11 Waise wrote: i was in another thread, i tab back to the game and there are archons, sentries and zealots in the terran main. what
On June 10 2014 21:26 Pandemona wrote: herO the kind of turtle toss? xD
I wonder what it would have looked like if Cure had managed to force an engagement. It feels like he respected herO too much and allowed him to get to late game with a greedy strat.
TRUE will win this in the end if they keep like this. When he get the same upgrades as Hydra, he will win since he always have better engagement than Hydra.
On June 10 2014 21:53 Ramiz1989 wrote: TRUE will win this in the end if they keep like this. When he get the same upgrades as Hydra, he will win since he always have better engagement than Hydra.
On June 10 2014 21:53 Ramiz1989 wrote: TRUE will win this in the end if they keep like this. When he get the same upgrades as Hydra, he will win since he always have better engagement than Hydra.
But he didn't even start second armour upgrade.
It doesn't matter, 2-1 vs. 2-2 makes almost no difference. As I said, TRUE is winning now.
Difference between attack upgrades is important, but +1 or +2 armor doesn't really matter since it takes the same number of shots with +2 attack to kill a Roach with +1 and +2 armor.
On June 10 2014 21:53 Ramiz1989 wrote: TRUE will win this in the end if they keep like this. When he get the same upgrades as Hydra, he will win since he always have better engagement than Hydra.
But he didn't even start second armour upgrade.
It doesn't matter, 2-1 vs. 2-2 makes almost no difference. As I said, TRUE is winning now.
Difference between attack upgrades is important, but +1 or +2 armor doesn't really matter since it takes the same number of shots with +2 attack to kill a Roach with +1 and +2 armor.
On June 10 2014 21:53 Ramiz1989 wrote: TRUE will win this in the end if they keep like this. When he get the same upgrades as Hydra, he will win since he always have better engagement than Hydra.
But he didn't even start second armour upgrade.
It doesn't matter, 2-1 vs. 2-2 makes almost no difference. As I said, TRUE is winning now.
Difference between attack upgrades is important, but +1 or +2 armor doesn't really matter since it takes the same number of shots with +2 attack to kill a Roach with +1 and +2 armor.
On June 10 2014 21:57 `sawyer wrote: can someone explain to me why TRUE didnt start +2 armor during this WHOLE time
On June 10 2014 21:55 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On June 10 2014 21:54 CruelZeratul wrote:
On June 10 2014 21:53 Ramiz1989 wrote: TRUE will win this in the end if they keep like this. When he get the same upgrades as Hydra, he will win since he always have better engagement than Hydra.
But he didn't even start second armour upgrade.
It doesn't matter, 2-1 vs. 2-2 makes almost no difference. As I said, TRUE is winning now.
Difference between attack upgrades is important, but +1 or +2 armor doesn't really matter since it takes the same number of shots with +2 attack to kill a Roach with +1 and +2 armor.
okay i see, caster really made big deal out of upgrade advantage
That was true until +2 completed for both players, which was a long time. Hydra had a huge timing to finish the game off but coulnd't.
On June 10 2014 21:57 `sawyer wrote: can someone explain to me why TRUE didnt start +2 armor during this WHOLE time
On June 10 2014 21:55 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On June 10 2014 21:54 CruelZeratul wrote:
On June 10 2014 21:53 Ramiz1989 wrote: TRUE will win this in the end if they keep like this. When he get the same upgrades as Hydra, he will win since he always have better engagement than Hydra.
But he didn't even start second armour upgrade.
It doesn't matter, 2-1 vs. 2-2 makes almost no difference. As I said, TRUE is winning now.
Difference between attack upgrades is important, but +1 or +2 armor doesn't really matter since it takes the same number of shots with +2 attack to kill a Roach with +1 and +2 armor.
okay i see, caster really made big deal out of upgrade advantage
It was in the beginning when Hydra had +2 attack while TRUE's +1 attack wasn't even finished yet, but TRUE had a lot better engagements with more Roaches and defender advantages that he turned that in his favor, and from the moment he had the same attack upgrade as Hydra, being down 1 armor upgrade didn't matter with his much better positioning.
On June 10 2014 21:57 `sawyer wrote: can someone explain to me why TRUE didnt start +2 armor during this WHOLE time
On June 10 2014 21:55 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On June 10 2014 21:54 CruelZeratul wrote:
On June 10 2014 21:53 Ramiz1989 wrote: TRUE will win this in the end if they keep like this. When he get the same upgrades as Hydra, he will win since he always have better engagement than Hydra.
But he didn't even start second armour upgrade.
It doesn't matter, 2-1 vs. 2-2 makes almost no difference. As I said, TRUE is winning now.
Difference between attack upgrades is important, but +1 or +2 armor doesn't really matter since it takes the same number of shots with +2 attack to kill a Roach with +1 and +2 armor.
okay i see, caster really made big deal out of upgrade advantage
That was true until +2 completed for both players, which was a long time. Hydra had a huge timing to finish the game off but coulnd't.
mostly because he took stupid engagement (and also True took good ones, but still, I kinda blame Hydra a bit)
On June 10 2014 21:57 `sawyer wrote: can someone explain to me why TRUE didnt start +2 armor during this WHOLE time
On June 10 2014 21:55 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On June 10 2014 21:54 CruelZeratul wrote:
On June 10 2014 21:53 Ramiz1989 wrote: TRUE will win this in the end if they keep like this. When he get the same upgrades as Hydra, he will win since he always have better engagement than Hydra.
But he didn't even start second armour upgrade.
It doesn't matter, 2-1 vs. 2-2 makes almost no difference. As I said, TRUE is winning now.
Difference between attack upgrades is important, but +1 or +2 armor doesn't really matter since it takes the same number of shots with +2 attack to kill a Roach with +1 and +2 armor.
okay i see, caster really made big deal out of upgrade advantage
That was true until +2 completed for both players, which was a long time. Hydra had a huge timing to finish the game off but coulnd't.
mostly because he took stupid engagement (and also True took good ones, but still, I kinda blame Hydra a bit)
also i think that TRUE knew that he was behind on upgrades, so he decided to get ahead in some other aspects ie: by contaminating Hydra's hatcheries and slowing down his production
On June 10 2014 21:57 `sawyer wrote: can someone explain to me why TRUE didnt start +2 armor during this WHOLE time
On June 10 2014 21:55 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On June 10 2014 21:54 CruelZeratul wrote:
On June 10 2014 21:53 Ramiz1989 wrote: TRUE will win this in the end if they keep like this. When he get the same upgrades as Hydra, he will win since he always have better engagement than Hydra.
But he didn't even start second armour upgrade.
It doesn't matter, 2-1 vs. 2-2 makes almost no difference. As I said, TRUE is winning now.
Difference between attack upgrades is important, but +1 or +2 armor doesn't really matter since it takes the same number of shots with +2 attack to kill a Roach with +1 and +2 armor.
okay i see, caster really made big deal out of upgrade advantage
It was in the beginning when Hydra had +2 attack while TRUE's +1 attack wasn't even finished yet, but TRUE had a lot better engagements with more Roaches and defender advantages that he turned that in his favor, and from the moment he had the same attack upgrade as Hydra, being down 1 armor upgrade didn't matter with his much better positioning.
worth mentioning that armor ups do matter a lot more if/when hydralisks come out. i like going roach/infestor against double evo and roach/hydra against single evo but yeah often it just doesn't come into play
On June 10 2014 22:02 Pandemona wrote: FFS I need to do the banking before 3pm (2pm in UK now) ffs rofl. Going get sacked cuz of pro league xD
You still don't have your real yet?
Nope, it "severe" shortage in UK at the moment lol. But i was waiting until last week before i went to look for some as i was trying to predict a better value for myself and well...that didn't work. It crashed about 10p over last 2-3 days lol.
I also am going to the bank for work purposes of banking the daily takings
On June 10 2014 22:08 Pandemona wrote: They should of let Gumibear be rank1 on this weeks highlight reel after being hit in the head by a monitor and light and stuff.
On June 10 2014 22:08 Pandemona wrote: They should of let Gumibear be rank1 on this weeks highlight reel after being hit in the head by a monitor and light and stuff.
Should *have :p
Sadly english people are pretty terrible at english
Yeah im pretty bad at it It took a miracle for me to get a C grade at it in high school But then again, im pretty sure my writing is more understandable than Shakespeare's ever will be. DAT 14 CC OF BALLZ
I'm actually pretty upset that Jin Air sent Maru out instead of sOs. I feel that sOs is the much more solid choice. and If CJ had decided to send Bbyong or Effort, i feel sOs>Maru. and even vs herO, sOs has shown (iem katowice) that he knows how to get into herO's head.
On June 10 2014 22:11 Pandemona wrote: Yeah im pretty bad at it It took a miracle for me to get a C grade at it in high school But then again, im pretty sure my writing is more understandable than Shakespeare's ever will be.
In other news, the OED are adding "metaphorically" as a meaning for literally in the newest version of the dictionary
On June 10 2014 22:11 Pandemona wrote: Yeah im pretty bad at it It took a miracle for me to get a C grade at it in high school But then again, im pretty sure my writing is more understandable than Shakespeare's ever will be.
nah, the people in 1600 prefered his English to yours, I'm pretty sure Imagine explaining the term "esports" to a person from that time, gl
On June 10 2014 22:11 Pandemona wrote: Yeah im pretty bad at it It took a miracle for me to get a C grade at it in high school But then again, im pretty sure my writing is more understandable than Shakespeare's ever will be.
nah, the people in 1600 prefered his English to yours, I'm pretty sure Imagine explaining the term "esports" to a person from that time, gl
All we need is Avilo here coming to tell us how herO doesn't know how to play against Mech and how it would be easy win from the beginning if he did "that" and "that".
On June 10 2014 22:19 Neemi wrote: Please, PLEASE let this work.
The scene would explode if Maru beats a good solid PvTer in herO with mech lol.
That's why I want him to win so badly, think of the sudden burst in variety of styles we'd see if at least one person shows that it could work. Sadly, today was not that day
On June 10 2014 22:31 sharkie wrote: I dont think any toss has experience vs mech
Yeah, that's the funny thing. They still deal with it quite simply. And then we had sOs winning with carriers last time, although they're the most "jokish" unit Protoss has.
I guess they can't be good at the same time. Maru won WCS Korea when MKP failed to get his tenth premier league / Code S in a row. And he also barely missed the nestea award the season after
On June 10 2014 22:31 sharkie wrote: I dont think any toss has experience vs mech
Yeah, that's the funny thing. They still deal with it quite simply. And then we had sOs winning with carriers last time, although they're the most "jokish" unit Protoss has.
I think herO played that quite perfectly. Testing Maru's defenses with the Immortal/Archon timing, mutlipronging with zealots/DTs, Warp Prism, blink and eventually switching into an army that isn't practically undealable for mech.
On June 10 2014 22:31 sharkie wrote: I dont think any toss has experience vs mech
Yeah, that's the funny thing. They still deal with it quite simply. And then we had sOs winning with carriers last time, although they're the most "jokish" unit Protoss has.
I think herO played that quite perfectly. Testing Maru's defenses with the Immortal/Archon timing, mutlipronging with zealots/DTs, Warp Prism, blink and eventually switching into an army that isn't practically undealable for mech.
Should have expanded more though.
And not having Storm with Tempests was quite a mistake.
On June 10 2014 22:31 sharkie wrote: I dont think any toss has experience vs mech
Yeah, that's the funny thing. They still deal with it quite simply. And then we had sOs winning with carriers last time, although they're the most "jokish" unit Protoss has.
With some upgrade and some bank to remake the interceptors, they still have the best DPS. If u can afford them, vs mech they're never a bad choice.
On June 10 2014 22:31 sharkie wrote: I dont think any toss has experience vs mech
Yeah, that's the funny thing. They still deal with it quite simply. And then we had sOs winning with carriers last time, although they're the most "jokish" unit Protoss has.
I think herO played that quite perfectly. Testing Maru's defenses with the Immortal/Archon timing, mutlipronging with zealots/DTs, Warp Prism, blink and eventually switching into an army that isn't practically undealable for mech.
Should have expanded more though.
And not having Storm with Tempests was quite a mistake.
The phoenix were good enough to protect the tempests. In this configuration I think he made the better choice.
On June 10 2014 22:33 RHoudini wrote: herO best player in the world at the moment?
He is among better Protoss players, but not even the best Protoss, let alone the best player in the world.
So beating Innovation, Life, Zest and Flash in Bo3/Bo7 in the last week just means he's just a better Protoss player?
When I said among better Protoss players, I meant among the best. I guess I didn't express myself correctly.
I would call him top 5 Protoss, with Zest, Classic, Rain and sOs there, occasionally Parting, but they are constantly switching places from one week to another.
On June 10 2014 22:31 sharkie wrote: I dont think any toss has experience vs mech
Yeah, that's the funny thing. They still deal with it quite simply. And then we had sOs winning with carriers last time, although they're the most "jokish" unit Protoss has.
With some upgrade and some bank to remake the interceptors, they still have the best DPS. If u can afford them, vs mech they're never a bad choice.
What is a bad choice vs mech though? PvMech is really this matchup where you have so many good options to pick from that it's confusing for Protoss himself.
On June 10 2014 22:31 sharkie wrote: I dont think any toss has experience vs mech
Yeah, that's the funny thing. They still deal with it quite simply. And then we had sOs winning with carriers last time, although they're the most "jokish" unit Protoss has.
I think herO played that quite perfectly. Testing Maru's defenses with the Immortal/Archon timing, mutlipronging with zealots/DTs, Warp Prism, blink and eventually switching into an army that isn't practically undealable for mech.
Should have expanded more though.
And not having Storm with Tempests was quite a mistake.
The phoenix were good enough to protect the tempests. In this configuration I think he made the better choice.
The phoenix was a move after he had already won the game. He could have made VRs or Carrier or just more tempest instead, and would have still won, since Maru was already a dead fish in the water, mining only from 1.5bases and without the potential to do anything offensive.
Dwf is right. He should have had some storm templar with this. With the vikings kiting and therefore clumping like they did, and the way the aircontrol is all the Protoss needs to insta-win in that situation, even saccing multiple templar into ghost/tank for a single storm on that vikingcloud would be worth it.
On June 10 2014 22:31 sharkie wrote: I dont think any toss has experience vs mech
Yeah, that's the funny thing. They still deal with it quite simply. And then we had sOs winning with carriers last time, although they're the most "jokish" unit Protoss has.
With some upgrade and some bank to remake the interceptors, they still have the best DPS. If u can afford them, vs mech they're never a bad choice.
What is a bad choice vs mech though?
Your army consisting mostly of Stalkers, Sentries and Colossi.
On June 12 2014 22:05 Almtom wrote: They should know better than to put up 3 terrans.... terran just cant win at the moment so how can u field 3 terrans in a match?
EPT
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