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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
May 29 2014 00:59 GMT
#681
On May 29 2014 09:57 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 09:57 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:56 LimeNade wrote:
sigh its just becoming depressing to watch jaedong play in WCS lately

he'll probably get enough second places this year at international tournaments and qualify for blizzcon anyways.

getting a lot of second places is really good, i'm not even sure jaedong can do that right now in the shape he's in

He got Semis at Bucharest and fell to an on fire Impact, so it doesn't really look like his form is terrible. Maybe he just does better in live settings.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
May 29 2014 00:59 GMT
#682
On May 29 2014 09:54 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

(T)Heart vs (P)Jim
1-0


Map: Frost


Heart spawns in the top right
Jim spawns in the bottom left

2:00
Jim getting a gateway followed by an assimilator.
Reaper opening from Heart.

3:00
Heart kills a probe and expands.
Heart puts a reactor on his barracks after the first reaper.
Jim expands.

4:00
Heart building an engineering bay.
Heart hiding a reaper in Jim's main.
+1 attack on the way for Heart.
Twilight council for Jim.

5:00
Blink for Jim.
Reaper gets in and sees the twilight council.
Stim starts for Heart.
Third barracks for Heart.
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
May 29 2014 00:59 GMT
#683
On May 29 2014 09:58 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 09:52 juvenal wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:48 Darkhorse wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:46 juvenal wrote:
Yay Jaedong out, let's celebrate! How can you possibly cheer against JD, he's such a nice guy and an esports pillar too. There's not one reason to hate the dude apart from incontrol + artosis overhyping the shit out of him, but who takes incontrol seriously.

People hate every player. Don't worry about it

I'm not worrying, rather surprised that happens at all. It's almost like cheering against WhiteRa.

Not really. They can hate JD because they are tired of him being so good because of how good he has been. People often hate the best. Whitera is just the nicest guy!

the worst thing whitera ever did was cause rotti to tell the "zergling in my base" story 50 times in wcs casts
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-29 01:02:03
May 29 2014 00:59 GMT
#684
Double Post
Meh
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
May 29 2014 01:00 GMT
#685
On May 29 2014 09:58 Yiome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 09:55 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I would be very sad if Edison didn't have to come to Burbank.

lol what?
never thougt there is Edison fan out there

All the stories that Bitter and Rotti had from Edison and the Chinese players were amazing, and he just seemed like a funny guy.

also happy birthday!
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
May 29 2014 01:00 GMT
#686
On May 29 2014 09:59 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 09:57 Waise wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:57 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:56 LimeNade wrote:
sigh its just becoming depressing to watch jaedong play in WCS lately

he'll probably get enough second places this year at international tournaments and qualify for blizzcon anyways.

getting a lot of second places is really good, i'm not even sure jaedong can do that right now in the shape he's in

He got Semis at Bucharest and fell to an on fire Impact, so it doesn't really look like his form is terrible. Maybe he just does better in live settings.

i think he's always just good and practiced enough to do well, it's the inconsistency and fragility that bothers me, especially against protoss and sometimes midgame terran
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32743 Posts
May 29 2014 01:00 GMT
#687
On May 29 2014 09:59 baubo wrote:
Not sure if I've ever seen Jim play something other than phoenix/colossi in non-cheese games. Need to change up his style.

Also, apparently there was a huge spike in lag the moment of that final battle, which is why there were no force fields, according to the Chinese caster.

Repeated what you said two minutes ago btw.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
May 29 2014 01:00 GMT
#688
On May 29 2014 09:47 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 09:44 baubo wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:27 Waise wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:26 baubo wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:23 stuchiu wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:22 VictorX wrote:
Book of dirty Protoss bullshit.


This is literaly #1 on the list.

1) 4 gate
2) Cannon rush
3) proxy 2 gate


I don't consider 4-gate in response to quick 3rd with no gas protoss bullshit. If zerg can pull that shit off on protoss without any possibility of hard counter, then ZvP is bull.

i don't understand why protoss think fast thirds mean economic greed. it's actually just larva and creep greed


Because larva is part of zerg macro mechanics? I don't see how you can differentiate the two if you play zerg.

Now, game 2. That is most definitely pure protoss bullshit.

you don't have enough money to spend all the larvae on drones immediately though. protoss players act like 3hatch means you somehow instantly have 70 unpunishable drones. the thing that makes fast hatches scary is the midgame swell of units that comes if you don't do economic damage

and yes, you should be able to do damage to greedy zerg if you play well, but saying "hard counter" makes it sound like you think jim 4gating jd there should be autowin for toss, which is goofy


Under that particular situation, Jim having scouted Jaedong, Jaedong not scouted Jim, Jaedong playing that game as if Jim used a normal opening, yes that's a hard counter.
Meh
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
May 29 2014 01:01 GMT
#689
On May 29 2014 10:00 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 09:58 Yiome wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:55 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I would be very sad if Edison didn't have to come to Burbank.

lol what?
never thougt there is Edison fan out there

All the stories that Bitter and Rotti had from Edison and the Chinese players were amazing, and he just seemed like a funny guy.

also happy birthday!


Is Edison the mafia guy?
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
May 29 2014 01:02 GMT
#690
On May 29 2014 09:56 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Quit playing games with my Heart



+ Show Spoiler +
http://giphy.com/gifs/2xIOiAPXonois


User was warned for this post
The world is better when every background has a chance.
Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
May 29 2014 01:02 GMT
#691
On May 29 2014 10:00 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 09:58 Yiome wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:55 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I would be very sad if Edison didn't have to come to Burbank.

lol what?
never thougt there is Edison fan out there

All the stories that Bitter and Rotti had from Edison and the Chinese players were amazing, and he just seemed like a funny guy.

also happy birthday!

Thanks
Hope macsed or xigua can make it through
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
May 29 2014 01:03 GMT
#692
On May 29 2014 10:00 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 09:59 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:57 Waise wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:57 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:56 LimeNade wrote:
sigh its just becoming depressing to watch jaedong play in WCS lately

he'll probably get enough second places this year at international tournaments and qualify for blizzcon anyways.

getting a lot of second places is really good, i'm not even sure jaedong can do that right now in the shape he's in

He got Semis at Bucharest and fell to an on fire Impact, so it doesn't really look like his form is terrible. Maybe he just does better in live settings.

i think he's always just good and practiced enough to do well, it's the inconsistency and fragility that bothers me, especially against protoss and sometimes midgame terran

True, results like that also show inconsistent he can be.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Rehio
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1718 Posts
May 29 2014 01:03 GMT
#693
On May 29 2014 10:00 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 09:47 Waise wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:44 baubo wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:27 Waise wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:26 baubo wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:23 stuchiu wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:22 VictorX wrote:
Book of dirty Protoss bullshit.


This is literaly #1 on the list.

1) 4 gate
2) Cannon rush
3) proxy 2 gate


I don't consider 4-gate in response to quick 3rd with no gas protoss bullshit. If zerg can pull that shit off on protoss without any possibility of hard counter, then ZvP is bull.

i don't understand why protoss think fast thirds mean economic greed. it's actually just larva and creep greed


Because larva is part of zerg macro mechanics? I don't see how you can differentiate the two if you play zerg.

Now, game 2. That is most definitely pure protoss bullshit.

you don't have enough money to spend all the larvae on drones immediately though. protoss players act like 3hatch means you somehow instantly have 70 unpunishable drones. the thing that makes fast hatches scary is the midgame swell of units that comes if you don't do economic damage

and yes, you should be able to do damage to greedy zerg if you play well, but saying "hard counter" makes it sound like you think jim 4gating jd there should be autowin for toss, which is goofy


Under that particular situation, Jim having scouted Jaedong, Jaedong not scouted Jim, Jaedong playing that game as if Jim used a normal opening, yes that's a hard counter.


I don't think whether something is a Hard Counter or not can depend on scouting. If it depends on scouting, isn't it not a Hard Counter? O.o
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
May 29 2014 01:03 GMT
#694
On May 29 2014 09:59 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 09:54 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

(T)Heart vs (P)Jim
1-0


Map: Frost


Heart spawns in the top right
Jim spawns in the bottom left

2:00
Jim getting a gateway followed by an assimilator.
Reaper opening from Heart.

3:00
Heart kills a probe and expands.
Heart puts a reactor on his barracks after the first reaper.
Jim expands.

4:00
Heart building an engineering bay.
Heart hiding a reaper in Jim's main.
+1 attack on the way for Heart.
Twilight council for Jim.

5:00
Blink for Jim.
Reaper gets in and sees the twilight council.
Stim starts for Heart.
Third barracks for Heart.

6:00
Heart is on 30 workers.
Jim building 2 more gateways.
Jim attempt a proxy pylon but it's denied immediately.
Jim getting a robotics facility.
Heart getting a bunker at his natural.

7:00 (T)Heart 57 vs (P)Jim 54
Jim pushing with 3 stalkers and a probe/mothership core.
+1 armor for Heart.
SCV sees stalkers being reinforced.
2 forges on the way for Jim.
Heart scouts the main with a loose SCV and sees everything.

8:00 (T)Heart 66 vs (P)Jim 69
Jim getting a robotics facility, dark shrine, +1/1, and a warp prism.
Heart cleans up the proxies once Jim retreats.

9:00 (T)Heart 79 vs (P)Jim 74
Heart going for an attack.
Warp prism going for the natural of Heart.

10:00 (T)Heart 87 vs (P)Jim 85
DTs being prepared but Heart has a missile turret in his natural already.
Colossus and 3 more gateways for Jim.
Jim's DTs do nearly nothing.

11:00 (T)Heart 114 vs (P)Jim 104
+2/2 for Jim.
Jim taking a third as Heart lands his.
Extended thermal lance for Jim.
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
Deleted User 261926
Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
May 29 2014 01:03 GMT
#695
On May 29 2014 09:59 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 09:57 Waise wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:57 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:56 LimeNade wrote:
sigh its just becoming depressing to watch jaedong play in WCS lately

he'll probably get enough second places this year at international tournaments and qualify for blizzcon anyways.

getting a lot of second places is really good, i'm not even sure jaedong can do that right now in the shape he's in

He got Semis at Bucharest and fell to an on fire Impact, so it doesn't really look like his form is terrible. Maybe he just does better in live settings.

He has also won LSC pretty recently. The tournament was a IEM but it was quite stacked.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
May 29 2014 01:03 GMT
#696
On May 29 2014 10:03 Rehio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 10:00 baubo wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:47 Waise wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:44 baubo wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:27 Waise wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:26 baubo wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:23 stuchiu wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:22 VictorX wrote:
Book of dirty Protoss bullshit.


This is literaly #1 on the list.

1) 4 gate
2) Cannon rush
3) proxy 2 gate


I don't consider 4-gate in response to quick 3rd with no gas protoss bullshit. If zerg can pull that shit off on protoss without any possibility of hard counter, then ZvP is bull.

i don't understand why protoss think fast thirds mean economic greed. it's actually just larva and creep greed


Because larva is part of zerg macro mechanics? I don't see how you can differentiate the two if you play zerg.

Now, game 2. That is most definitely pure protoss bullshit.

you don't have enough money to spend all the larvae on drones immediately though. protoss players act like 3hatch means you somehow instantly have 70 unpunishable drones. the thing that makes fast hatches scary is the midgame swell of units that comes if you don't do economic damage

and yes, you should be able to do damage to greedy zerg if you play well, but saying "hard counter" makes it sound like you think jim 4gating jd there should be autowin for toss, which is goofy


Under that particular situation, Jim having scouted Jaedong, Jaedong not scouted Jim, Jaedong playing that game as if Jim used a normal opening, yes that's a hard counter.


I don't think whether something is a Hard Counter or not can depend on scouting. If it depends on scouting, isn't it not a Hard Counter? O.o

You're thinking blind counter, when you do a hard counter without scouting.
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Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
May 29 2014 01:04 GMT
#697
a single marine kills two probes for free
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
May 29 2014 01:04 GMT
#698
On May 29 2014 10:03 Karpfen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 09:59 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:57 Waise wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:57 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:56 LimeNade wrote:
sigh its just becoming depressing to watch jaedong play in WCS lately

he'll probably get enough second places this year at international tournaments and qualify for blizzcon anyways.

getting a lot of second places is really good, i'm not even sure jaedong can do that right now in the shape he's in

He got Semis at Bucharest and fell to an on fire Impact, so it doesn't really look like his form is terrible. Maybe he just does better in live settings.

He has also won LSC pretty recently. The tournament was a IEM but it was quite stacked.

Oh yeah I forgot about that, despite really enjoying myself during that one.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
May 29 2014 01:05 GMT
#699
On May 29 2014 10:03 Rehio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 10:00 baubo wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:47 Waise wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:44 baubo wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:27 Waise wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:26 baubo wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:23 stuchiu wrote:
On May 29 2014 09:22 VictorX wrote:
Book of dirty Protoss bullshit.


This is literaly #1 on the list.

1) 4 gate
2) Cannon rush
3) proxy 2 gate


I don't consider 4-gate in response to quick 3rd with no gas protoss bullshit. If zerg can pull that shit off on protoss without any possibility of hard counter, then ZvP is bull.

i don't understand why protoss think fast thirds mean economic greed. it's actually just larva and creep greed


Because larva is part of zerg macro mechanics? I don't see how you can differentiate the two if you play zerg.

Now, game 2. That is most definitely pure protoss bullshit.

you don't have enough money to spend all the larvae on drones immediately though. protoss players act like 3hatch means you somehow instantly have 70 unpunishable drones. the thing that makes fast hatches scary is the midgame swell of units that comes if you don't do economic damage

and yes, you should be able to do damage to greedy zerg if you play well, but saying "hard counter" makes it sound like you think jim 4gating jd there should be autowin for toss, which is goofy


Under that particular situation, Jim having scouted Jaedong, Jaedong not scouted Jim, Jaedong playing that game as if Jim used a normal opening, yes that's a hard counter.


I don't think whether something is a Hard Counter or not can depend on scouting. If it depends on scouting, isn't it not a Hard Counter? O.o


Well, if you three-hatch before pool on Akilon Wastes and then scout proxy gateways, i guess, it's hard counter still :Dp
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Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
May 29 2014 01:05 GMT
#700
something i've wondered about - isn't it better to take 24 saturation on the natural until the third finishes instead of long distance mining? the last 8 workers don't do NOTHING, they just do LESS

i mean i guess it's just "i don't want to deal with transfering and rallying these" but seems sloppy, i see koreans do this too
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