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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
March 06 2014 13:37 GMT
#2421
On March 06 2014 22:33 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 22:29 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:26 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:24 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:22 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:21 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:19 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:18 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:17 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:16 Frex wrote:
[quote]

That would be the most absurd thing ever. The guy that most people did not even expect to make it out of Code A this season ends up being the champion.


why not, Innovation started his career as a underrated ladder#1 too


Innovation was basically the ace for STX Soul and a rising star when BW ended so I'm not sure what you are talking about lol.


BW results or career don't matter a lot in SC2...
Ask Stork, Bisu or Flash lol


You realize Stork and Bisu and even Flash are old veterans whose primes were PAST in BW right? Stork fell out sharply by 2012, Bisu was slightly slower, Flash was falling off the best player chart at the end too. What dominates now are the up and comers (soulkey, dear, bogus, zest, etc). Just compare Zero with Soulkey, Zero was the Ace and slowly falling, Soulkey was the new and comer. Same with STX and Dear + Bogus. Same with SKT with Rain, etc.


Ok, you are right.
I forgot Jangbi and Fantasy are the big guns in SC2


Jangbi is same time period as Stork, and he RETIRED after getting a Code S spot. Both of them spent much more time on BW than the rest of the group because they were in the last BW OSL.


Well... I said BW doesn't matter for SC2, I gave you examples. You told me those examples are wrong because they were of the PAST. Then I give you examples of the best BW players at the end of BW and now the problem is they were too RECENT?

I am sorry, so maybe I am right and BW results dont matter in SC2?


Good job zero reading comprehension. I'm saying their careers translated to SC2. BW players who were up and comers generally did really well going into SC2, BW players who were already veterans and naturally were falling off didn't do so well or retired. Esports players have life spans, that's just the way of it. Boxer / July retired even earlier.


You are full of contradictions thats what you are...

Zest wasn't an up and comer. Neither was herO. Soulkey, Rain were as old of players as hydra.
Sora left, Killer left.
As many veterans as up and comers left SC2.

BW != SC2


It's not a perfect algorithm but obviously players who were upcomers yet to reach their full potential either due to lack of a solid environment or age or experience would eventually over take the veterans who are getting older and mechanically less competitive. How is this difficult to understand. There are exceptions in some specific cases like Jaedong but they are few and far between.
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Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
March 06 2014 13:37 GMT
#2422
Ughhhh...
It appears I have been chosen.
Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
March 06 2014 13:37 GMT
#2423
Such a great match up.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 06 2014 13:37 GMT
#2424
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 2?

★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year (1)
 
6%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★ - Good game (2)
 
12%

★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do (7)
 
41%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (7)
 
41%

17 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the year
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Only if you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what


ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2619 Posts
March 06 2014 13:37 GMT
#2425
That was quick :D
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28530 Posts
March 06 2014 13:37 GMT
#2426
"That's the kind of epic build I love" hmm..
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
March 06 2014 13:37 GMT
#2427
On March 06 2014 22:35 Ragnarork wrote:
GSL Code S Ro 16 Group A

Final Match

1 - (P)Dear vs - (P)Zest 0

Game 2 - (Wiki)Yeonsu


0:00
- Zest spawns at the top right
- Dear spawns at the bottom left
- double gas for dear, one for zest
- Gate, cycore, usual stuff


4:00
- Zest adds two more gates and moves across the map
- Zest drops a pylon just outside Dear's main and tries to poke
- Dear MSC falls ! Probes pulled for dear !
- Too much stalkers, Dear loses his army and Ggs, (P)Zest takes game 2 !
LiquipediaWanderer
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
March 06 2014 13:37 GMT
#2428
Omg that was unexpected
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
March 06 2014 13:37 GMT
#2429
ah, PvP
Community News
TL+ Member
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
March 06 2014 13:38 GMT
#2430
very nice midgame
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
March 06 2014 13:38 GMT
#2431
On March 06 2014 22:37 Disarmed wrote:
maru vs dear sounds awesome from what i read....couldnt watch it though..


anychance for vods without subscribing? sorry if it sounds dumb or if it was asked like a million times.....

Nah, sadly you can watch only first game of each series on their Youtube channel. But still, Maru vs. Dear and Maru vs. Zest, both first games were great so you should definitely watch them.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 06 2014 13:38 GMT
#2432
On March 06 2014 22:37 Penev wrote:
"That's the kind of epic build I love" hmm..

Honestly, what do you expect from Wolf?
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
March 06 2014 13:38 GMT
#2433
10gate 3 gate most epic build ever, YEOP
Founder of Flow Enterprises, LLC http://flow-enterprises.com/
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
March 06 2014 13:38 GMT
#2434
How PvP looks without nexus cannon. Well designed!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
March 06 2014 13:38 GMT
#2435
Damn it Dear don't lose
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
March 06 2014 13:38 GMT
#2436
On March 06 2014 22:37 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 22:33 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:29 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:26 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:24 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:22 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:21 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:19 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:18 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:17 sharkie wrote:
[quote]

why not, Innovation started his career as a underrated ladder#1 too


Innovation was basically the ace for STX Soul and a rising star when BW ended so I'm not sure what you are talking about lol.


BW results or career don't matter a lot in SC2...
Ask Stork, Bisu or Flash lol


You realize Stork and Bisu and even Flash are old veterans whose primes were PAST in BW right? Stork fell out sharply by 2012, Bisu was slightly slower, Flash was falling off the best player chart at the end too. What dominates now are the up and comers (soulkey, dear, bogus, zest, etc). Just compare Zero with Soulkey, Zero was the Ace and slowly falling, Soulkey was the new and comer. Same with STX and Dear + Bogus. Same with SKT with Rain, etc.


Ok, you are right.
I forgot Jangbi and Fantasy are the big guns in SC2


Jangbi is same time period as Stork, and he RETIRED after getting a Code S spot. Both of them spent much more time on BW than the rest of the group because they were in the last BW OSL.


Well... I said BW doesn't matter for SC2, I gave you examples. You told me those examples are wrong because they were of the PAST. Then I give you examples of the best BW players at the end of BW and now the problem is they were too RECENT?

I am sorry, so maybe I am right and BW results dont matter in SC2?


Good job zero reading comprehension. I'm saying their careers translated to SC2. BW players who were up and comers generally did really well going into SC2, BW players who were already veterans and naturally were falling off didn't do so well or retired. Esports players have life spans, that's just the way of it. Boxer / July retired even earlier.


You are full of contradictions thats what you are...

Zest wasn't an up and comer. Neither was herO. Soulkey, Rain were as old of players as hydra.
Sora left, Killer left.
As many veterans as up and comers left SC2.

BW != SC2


It's not a perfect algorithm but obviously players who were upcomers yet to reach their full potential either due to lack of a solid environment or age or experience would eventually over take the veterans who are getting older and mechanically less competitive. How is this difficult to understand. There are exceptions in some specific cases like Jaedong but they are few and far between.

Is it that hard to admit that the link between the two games is not as strong as you imply?
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18667 Posts
March 06 2014 13:39 GMT
#2437
On March 06 2014 22:35 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 22:33 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:29 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:26 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:24 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:22 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:21 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:19 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:18 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:17 sharkie wrote:
[quote]

why not, Innovation started his career as a underrated ladder#1 too


Innovation was basically the ace for STX Soul and a rising star when BW ended so I'm not sure what you are talking about lol.


BW results or career don't matter a lot in SC2...
Ask Stork, Bisu or Flash lol


You realize Stork and Bisu and even Flash are old veterans whose primes were PAST in BW right? Stork fell out sharply by 2012, Bisu was slightly slower, Flash was falling off the best player chart at the end too. What dominates now are the up and comers (soulkey, dear, bogus, zest, etc). Just compare Zero with Soulkey, Zero was the Ace and slowly falling, Soulkey was the new and comer. Same with STX and Dear + Bogus. Same with SKT with Rain, etc.


Ok, you are right.
I forgot Jangbi and Fantasy are the big guns in SC2


Jangbi is same time period as Stork, and he RETIRED after getting a Code S spot. Both of them spent much more time on BW than the rest of the group because they were in the last BW OSL.


Well... I said BW doesn't matter for SC2, I gave you examples. You told me those examples are wrong because they were of the PAST. Then I give you examples of the best BW players at the end of BW and now the problem is they were too RECENT?

I am sorry, so maybe I am right and BW results dont matter in SC2?


Good job zero reading comprehension. I'm saying their careers translated to SC2. BW players who were up and comers generally did really well going into SC2, BW players who were already veterans and naturally were falling off didn't do so well or retired. Esports players have life spans, that's just the way of it. Boxer / July retired even earlier.


You are full of contradictions thats what you are...

Zest wasn't an up and comer. Neither was herO. Soulkey, Rain were as old of players as hydra.
Sora left, Killer left.
As many veterans as up and comers left SC2.

BW != SC2

confirmed for 0 reading comprehension


why?
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
March 06 2014 13:39 GMT
#2438
On March 06 2014 22:38 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 22:37 Penev wrote:
"That's the kind of epic build I love" hmm..

Honestly, what do you expect from Wolf?


"41 probes vs 31 drones, thats over double" was my favourite quote from tonight! hahaha
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 06 2014 13:39 GMT
#2439
On March 06 2014 22:36 VisonKai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 22:35 Zealously wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:34 VisonKai wrote:
So wait, if Maru gets out first in his group he's against Life...

The match I was hoping for in the finals is in the ro8. :X



It's an easy pass to the Ro4 though


Fair enough, but then he'll have to face a Protoss that's actually good in the ro4.

LifevP....


soO, Bbyong, Squirtle are the three players we can hope for him to face when he gets past Maru, whereas the other players will prove tougher opponents. At least San isn't in GSL.
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
March 06 2014 13:39 GMT
#2440
On March 06 2014 22:38 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 22:37 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:33 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:29 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:26 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:24 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:22 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:21 Caihead wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:19 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2014 22:18 Caihead wrote:
[quote]

Innovation was basically the ace for STX Soul and a rising star when BW ended so I'm not sure what you are talking about lol.


BW results or career don't matter a lot in SC2...
Ask Stork, Bisu or Flash lol


You realize Stork and Bisu and even Flash are old veterans whose primes were PAST in BW right? Stork fell out sharply by 2012, Bisu was slightly slower, Flash was falling off the best player chart at the end too. What dominates now are the up and comers (soulkey, dear, bogus, zest, etc). Just compare Zero with Soulkey, Zero was the Ace and slowly falling, Soulkey was the new and comer. Same with STX and Dear + Bogus. Same with SKT with Rain, etc.


Ok, you are right.
I forgot Jangbi and Fantasy are the big guns in SC2


Jangbi is same time period as Stork, and he RETIRED after getting a Code S spot. Both of them spent much more time on BW than the rest of the group because they were in the last BW OSL.


Well... I said BW doesn't matter for SC2, I gave you examples. You told me those examples are wrong because they were of the PAST. Then I give you examples of the best BW players at the end of BW and now the problem is they were too RECENT?

I am sorry, so maybe I am right and BW results dont matter in SC2?


Good job zero reading comprehension. I'm saying their careers translated to SC2. BW players who were up and comers generally did really well going into SC2, BW players who were already veterans and naturally were falling off didn't do so well or retired. Esports players have life spans, that's just the way of it. Boxer / July retired even earlier.


You are full of contradictions thats what you are...

Zest wasn't an up and comer. Neither was herO. Soulkey, Rain were as old of players as hydra.
Sora left, Killer left.
As many veterans as up and comers left SC2.

BW != SC2


It's not a perfect algorithm but obviously players who were upcomers yet to reach their full potential either due to lack of a solid environment or age or experience would eventually over take the veterans who are getting older and mechanically less competitive. How is this difficult to understand. There are exceptions in some specific cases like Jaedong but they are few and far between.

Is it that hard to admit that the link between the two games is not as strong as you imply?

Is it that hard to admit that there is some correlation of PLAYER CAREER that isn't based on whether or not one game is better than the other?
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