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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 06 2014 22:50 Ghanburighan wrote: Where did Rogue come from? I've seen him a lot recently, and he plays scary good, but he just appeared from nowhere. Rogue (formerly Savage, Ryul2) was a mediocre player on Team 8's roster during the last proleague. Showed a bit of promise but hardly anything spectacular save for a few games. | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On February 06 2014 22:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote: It's debatable, I've seen TOP lose to low-tier European players in the past year or so. Of course he isn't that good now. But during 2011 he was one of the (pun def. intended) TOP terran players, just below Mvp/MKP. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On February 06 2014 22:47 Ghanburighan wrote: The best of the P should be winning tournaments because they win against mediocre P, right? And if the problem is only in PvT, good Z like Soulkey should be taking out mediocre P as well. So, you shouldn't look at who wins, but who wins against who and where the representation lies in the end. For example, Code A does have some rather surprising P like Yonghwa, Myungsik, Panic and Paralyze. These guys were not considered as Code S contenders a little while ago, in fact, they were relatively unknown. Now, in this tournament, Paralyze beat Maru, while the latter is considered the best TvP player on the planet. Edit: too many responses to this stuff. That's enough I think. How can you put Yonghwa in that list, he has been around for ages now and has been worth a lot for IM in teamleagues. Besides that, stuff like Paralyze beating Maru just happens during online qualifiers. If you look at the history of IEM qualifiers, there have always been a few weird results in there. Or take WCS qualifiers for example, where Diestar eliminated First. Stuff like that just happens from time to time. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8538 Posts
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rawrthedog
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
On February 06 2014 22:52 NovaMB wrote: He was  Savage, switched to CliMax and then switched to Rogue.Man, that's one hell of an identity crisis, thanks. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On February 06 2014 22:52 Zealously wrote: If you don't follow the Korean scene extremely closely, you might find results you think are illogical and chalk it up to imbalances. I'm saying don't do that. In most cases the players were extremely good anyway. Quoted for fucking truth. | ||
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
Agreed. People yelling "PROTOSS OP!" when players like San/Parting are winning are just mindlessly repeating the current circlejerk hive mind. Anyway, loving Parting's play today, he is on fire and clearly out for blood. Wow. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On February 06 2014 22:53 Doublemint wrote: Complete and utter domination by PartinG. I kinda like it, but god dammit Soulkey make him work for that spot! Apollo is right, you can be perfectly fine being behind on bases as long you are stable on 3. Make mass static def, slowly increase SH count, play very conservatively and make sure you have creep spread and static defense before taking new expos. SK just played that too aggressively. I've seen Stephano be down 2 bases to 4 vs toss and still win. It's all about conserving units and maxing out with the proper composition. You can max out AND build a bank on 3 bases as zerg as long as you are careful enough. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On February 06 2014 22:53 Zealously wrote: Rogue (formerly Savage, Ryul2) was a mediocre player on Team 8's roster during the last proleague. Showed a bit of promise but hardly anything spectacular save for a few games. Ah, he's Savage. Ok. | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On February 06 2014 22:56 Tsubbi wrote: could anyone plz briefly summarize the parting vs soulkey games for those at work? ![[image loading]](http://www.mybrokenfiat.com/uploads/7/3/4/6/7346785/1445429.jpg) edit: of course I make this post right before Parting loses to speedlings walking into his base lol | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On February 06 2014 22:53 DJHelium wrote: Of course he isn't that good now. But during 2011 he was one of the (pun def. intended) TOP terran players, just below Mvp/MKP. According to our Aligulac statistics, before his GSL August finals TOP was rated #28 in the world, and in the Terran roster he was eclipsed, in order of rating, by Mvp, PuMa, Bomber, MMA, GanZi, MarineKing, Strelok, Ryung, Kas, GoOdy, TheStC, TaeJa, GuMiHo, Polt and SuperNoVa. All of which good players, sure, but still... You can find the stats here, once again this being 3 days before the GSL August 2011 finals. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On February 06 2014 22:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote: It's debatable, I've seen TOP lose to low-tier European players in the past year or so. Not saying, he is good now. But during his Prime, he had victories over Byun, sC, aLive,SuNo, Nestea, Polt and more. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Doublemint
Austria8538 Posts
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Destructicon
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On February 06 2014 22:52 Zealously wrote: I'm saying that the whole "Protoss is OP"-debate comes down to people in 90% of the cases simply not knowing the players that are showing up. It's largely the same discussion that people were having when Zerg players were having their fair share of success in late 2012/early 2013. If you don't follow the Korean scene extremely closely, you might find results you think are illogical and chalk it up to imbalances. I'm saying don't do that. In most cases the players were extremely good anyway. ALL the players on the korean pro teams at extremely good. And have a protoss from that group 'break out' is not surprising regardless of the meta/balance. But when you have 10 protosses 'breaking out' and 2-3 terrans, there must be a reason why. So you can't just look at a specific match and say balance was the reason for losing. But when you look at the trend in general, you have to consider this factor. I mean look at Yoda, a great player. But did the hell bat nerf hurt him, most likely. Is it JUST the nerf, of course not. But to say game balance has NOTHING to do with a player's performance is not correct either. | ||
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
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