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On January 24 2014 21:23 SpunXtain20 wrote:
I have to say, I have a question about the meta...
Late in WoL, esp 2012 there was a shift towards occassional (perhaps even frequent) mass hellion attacks. As a response, zergs started getting ~5 early roaches to simply shut that down and prevent drone/ling/larva losses early at fairly low cost. Since HotS they pretty much stopped doing that...
Now there's been a shift back to mech play, and generally this means a large number of hellions early on. But the vast majority of zergs are still trying to hold on with just lings and queens, and being punished for it (like in this game).
Wouldn't it make sense to just get the early roach warren for 125 minerals if you need it, and pop a few roaches to counteract the hellions? Otherwise so much larva and minerals goes into lings anyway. Seems kinda silly to me. It was pretty much the sole reason hydra lost this game; got behind early and snowballed.
Yes it does make sense to get a roach warren out of safety and make some defensive roaches if you see something unusual, its just that zergs have forgotten about it for some reason.
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On January 24 2014 21:23 SpunXtain20 wrote:
I have to say, I have a question about the meta...
Late in WoL, esp 2012 there was a shift towards occassional (perhaps even frequent) mass hellion attacks. As a response, zergs started getting ~5 early roaches to simply shut that down and prevent drone/ling/larva losses early at fairly low cost. Since HotS they pretty much stopped doing that...
Now there's been a shift back to mech play, and generally this means a large number of hellions early on. But the vast majority of zergs are still trying to hold on with just lings and queens, and being punished for it (like in this game).
Wouldn't it make sense to just get the early roach warren for 125 minerals if you need it, and pop a few roaches to counteract the hellions? Otherwise so much larva and minerals goes into lings anyway. Seems kinda silly to me. It was pretty much the sole reason hydra lost this game; got behind early and snowballed.
Zergs haven't fully adjusted to the recent mass switch to mech yet
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On January 24 2014 21:23 SpunXtain20 wrote:
I have to say, I have a question about the meta...
Late in WoL, esp 2012 there was a shift towards occassional (perhaps even frequent) mass hellion attacks. As a response, zergs started getting ~5 early roaches to simply shut that down and prevent drone/ling/larva losses early at fairly low cost. Since HotS they pretty much stopped doing that...
Now there's been a shift back to mech play, and generally this means a large number of hellions early on. But the vast majority of zergs are still trying to hold on with just lings and queens, and being punished for it (like in this game).
Wouldn't it make sense to just get the early roach warren for 125 minerals if you need it, and pop a few roaches to counteract the hellions? Otherwise so much larva and minerals goes into lings anyway. Seems kinda silly to me. It was pretty much the sole reason hydra lost this game; got behind early and snowballed.
SHHHH don't give them any ideas  . I used to have a really hard time with early roaches.
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Belgica34432 Posts
ByuN just posted something on FB. He is aLive.
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and the stream is down 
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Seems strange they havent adjusted yet since they faced this same situation back then and should know how to prepare for it. Oh well; maybe we'll get another blue name in code S.
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Whats up with all the lags suddenly?
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On January 24 2014 21:24 grapedog wrote:
zerg loses... choses daedalus for next map... guy who didn't pick the map wins...?
i think. And you know there is a pbm when every Z picks the same map.
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United States97274 Posts
On January 24 2014 21:23 Shellshock wrote:0:00  Hydra spawns in the top left  Dream spawns in the bottom bottom right
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quick drone scout from Hydra
rax first for Dream
gas for Dream
2:00
drone scout harassing the rax building scv
Dream pulls 2 scvs to force the drone away
hatch first for Hydra
pool for Hydra
reaper for Dream
3:00
gas for Hydra
drone kills an scv in the middle of the map
2nd reaper for Dream
4:00
first reaper in the main of Hydra
Hydra saves both damaged drones with spores
factory for Dream
reactor for Dream
low ground CC for Dream
2nd reaper kills ling scouts but they still see the CC
5:00
stream dead?
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4713 Posts
Fucking hell, not now during the most important part of the game!
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On January 24 2014 21:26 Yello wrote:and the stream is down
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These have to be on GOMs end. Not even twitch is that bad
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everytime i refresh the stream, Wolf says "thanks reaper" and then it freezes again rofl
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On January 24 2014 21:27 Shellshock wrote:
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stream dead?
Yes.
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I'm glad they switched to Twitch.
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On January 24 2014 21:23 SpunXtain20 wrote:
I have to say, I have a question about the meta...
Late in WoL, esp 2012 there was a shift towards occassional (perhaps even frequent) mass hellion attacks. As a response, zergs started getting ~5 early roaches to simply shut that down and prevent drone/ling/larva losses early at fairly low cost. Since HotS they pretty much stopped doing that...
Now there's been a shift back to mech play, and generally this means a large number of hellions early on. But the vast majority of zergs are still trying to hold on with just lings and queens, and being punished for it (like in this game).
Wouldn't it make sense to just get the early roach warren for 125 minerals if you need it, and pop a few roaches to counteract the hellions? Otherwise so much larva and minerals goes into lings anyway. Seems kinda silly to me. It was pretty much the sole reason hydra lost this game; got behind early and snowballed.
it depends on when to get what.
Getting a safe roach warren is good, but how early is the problem. you could get an extra queen or spine as well.
It's a bit like the proxy oracle in TvP, do you really want to get that ebay this early, if you knew it was DT coming, you could delay your ebay for a bit in favor for something else
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On January 24 2014 21:23 SpunXtain20 wrote:
I have to say, I have a question about the meta...
Late in WoL, esp 2012 there was a shift towards occassional (perhaps even frequent) mass hellion attacks. As a response, zergs started getting ~5 early roaches to simply shut that down and prevent drone/ling/larva losses early at fairly low cost. Since HotS they pretty much stopped doing that...
Now there's been a shift back to mech play, and generally this means a large number of hellions early on. But the vast majority of zergs are still trying to hold on with just lings and queens, and being punished for it (like in this game).
Wouldn't it make sense to just get the early roach warren for 125 minerals if you need it, and pop a few roaches to counteract the hellions? Otherwise so much larva and minerals goes into lings anyway. Seems kinda silly to me. It was pretty much the sole reason hydra lost this game; got behind early and snowballed.
Depends on your scouting/what you know of your opponent. You don't want to get roaches if he's going just 6 hellions straight into 3cc bio play, but you definately want roaches against bigger number of hellions with banshees/BF/mech etc.
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