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On January 22 2014 21:38 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:37 Wombat_NI wrote:On January 22 2014 21:34 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2014 21:34 bo1b wrote:On January 22 2014 21:30 Wombat_NI wrote:
Zerg ZvP in latter day WoL was pretty horrific. Likely to have gone the same way if it had stayed with Swarmturtle being more figured out Thats pretty much because protoss is a fucking useless race. It doesn't really have options other then: gimmicky but 'balanced', op or weak. I think zvp will swing pretty hilariously in favor of zerg soon, and tvp will only get worse. Such a disgusting race. once Z will figured out SH builds it'll be really bad for P. I don't think it'll be any worse than WoL in terms of Protoss being able to win with timings, there are too many holes that need plugged with the SH style for it to be impregnable i don't know but if it's the case god it'll be ugly. and if ZvP become a timing fest again it won't be that good either.
I honestly don't think theres another option. Maybe it's just me but whenever I play vs protoss on zerg it honestly feels like I have to run through a bunch of checklists and if I don't fuck up too badly there isn't really anything they can do. Granted I'm low masters so I'm sure there are some differences at the top end, and its possible my vP is just carrying me a bit but still.
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On January 22 2014 21:42 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:41 AxionSteel wrote:On January 22 2014 21:36 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2014 21:35 AxionSteel wrote:On January 22 2014 21:33 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2014 21:32 AxionSteel wrote:On January 22 2014 21:30 Fusilero wrote:On January 22 2014 21:29 Noonius wrote:
pvp is so weird, 9 min in and both are still on 1 base with no intention of expanding and doing no damage to each other Welcome to PvP, where the builds are made up and the bases don't matter. Whose probe is it anyway On January 22 2014 21:30 Wombat_NI wrote:
Zerg ZvP in latter day WoL was pretty horrific. Likely to have gone the same way if it had stayed with Swarmturtle being more figured out Daybreak + late WoL ZvP. Oh god Any map + late WoL ZvT. Oh god very late WoL ZvT post IT nerf was ok. I can't recall terran doing much better until HoTS... Even bomber was playing lategame at the end, you could take decent fights. Polt/Gumiho had some of the best TvZ games in late WoL I agree to disagree! cbf looking for stats, but I would be pretty sure it was zerg favoured! you're probably right but i think the worst part was before the IT/fungal nerf.
Of course, all it took to beat a full BC/raven army was infestors only  (Bomber vs Freaky)
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On January 22 2014 21:41 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:36 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2014 21:35 AxionSteel wrote:On January 22 2014 21:33 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2014 21:32 AxionSteel wrote:On January 22 2014 21:30 Fusilero wrote:On January 22 2014 21:29 Noonius wrote:
pvp is so weird, 9 min in and both are still on 1 base with no intention of expanding and doing no damage to each other Welcome to PvP, where the builds are made up and the bases don't matter. Whose probe is it anyway On January 22 2014 21:30 Wombat_NI wrote:
Zerg ZvP in latter day WoL was pretty horrific. Likely to have gone the same way if it had stayed with Swarmturtle being more figured out Daybreak + late WoL ZvP. Oh god Any map + late WoL ZvT. Oh god very late WoL ZvT post IT nerf was ok. I can't recall terran doing much better until HoTS... Even bomber was playing lategame at the end, you could take decent fights. Polt/Gumiho had some of the best TvZ games in late WoL I agree to disagree! cbf looking for stats, but I would be pretty sure it was zerg favoured!
http://aligulac.com/reports/
According to this it was down around 45% a bit before hots came out, and then actually went over 50% before hots came out. I'm pretty sure the latter was aligulac taking beta games into account though 
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On January 22 2014 19:23 imrusty269 wrote:
herO so overrated haha
herO in Code S haha
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On January 22 2014 21:44 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:42 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2014 21:41 AxionSteel wrote:On January 22 2014 21:36 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2014 21:35 AxionSteel wrote:On January 22 2014 21:33 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2014 21:32 AxionSteel wrote:On January 22 2014 21:30 Fusilero wrote:On January 22 2014 21:29 Noonius wrote:
pvp is so weird, 9 min in and both are still on 1 base with no intention of expanding and doing no damage to each other Welcome to PvP, where the builds are made up and the bases don't matter. Whose probe is it anyway On January 22 2014 21:30 Wombat_NI wrote:
Zerg ZvP in latter day WoL was pretty horrific. Likely to have gone the same way if it had stayed with Swarmturtle being more figured out Daybreak + late WoL ZvP. Oh god Any map + late WoL ZvT. Oh god very late WoL ZvT post IT nerf was ok. I can't recall terran doing much better until HoTS... Even bomber was playing lategame at the end, you could take decent fights. Polt/Gumiho had some of the best TvZ games in late WoL I agree to disagree! cbf looking for stats, but I would be pretty sure it was zerg favoured! you're probably right but i think the worst part was before the IT/fungal nerf. Of course, all it took to beat a full BC/raven army was infestors only (Bomber vs Freaky)
rofl that game, and the game he played against the mass carriers
Still, he did give us that game vs life which was fucking amazing.
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On January 22 2014 21:43 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:38 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2014 21:37 Wombat_NI wrote:On January 22 2014 21:34 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2014 21:34 bo1b wrote:On January 22 2014 21:30 Wombat_NI wrote:
Zerg ZvP in latter day WoL was pretty horrific. Likely to have gone the same way if it had stayed with Swarmturtle being more figured out Thats pretty much because protoss is a fucking useless race. It doesn't really have options other then: gimmicky but 'balanced', op or weak. I think zvp will swing pretty hilariously in favor of zerg soon, and tvp will only get worse. Such a disgusting race. once Z will figured out SH builds it'll be really bad for P. I don't think it'll be any worse than WoL in terms of Protoss being able to win with timings, there are too many holes that need plugged with the SH style for it to be impregnable i don't know but if it's the case god it'll be ugly. and if ZvP become a timing fest again it won't be that good either. I honestly don't think theres another option. Maybe it's just me but whenever I play vs protoss on zerg it honestly feels like I have to run through a bunch of checklists and if I don't fuck up too badly there isn't really anything they can do. Granted I'm low masters so I'm sure there are some differences at the top end, and its possible my vP is just carrying me a bit but still.
you gotta what to do in order to win. Both the Z/P gm that i know and eu are respectively playing sh/doing timings atm so ...
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On January 22 2014 21:46 sharkie wrote:herO in Code S haha
Arguably the best player of CJ who won 2012 Proleague season 2, he may not be in shape in PL this season, but it's not really a surprise he was able to make it to code S imho.
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sigh i want TBLS in code S 
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I need to stop liquibetting on Terrans.
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This is so sad All the ZvP and PvP we will see this season :'(
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On January 22 2014 21:51 NovaMB wrote:
I need to stop liquibetting on Terrans.
Maru vT/vP will be a safe pick, nobody gonna practice vT anyway.
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Just think...we might have a GSL Code S without a single TvT game... Holy shit...
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On January 22 2014 21:52 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:51 NovaMB wrote:
I need to stop liquibetting on Terrans. Maru vT/vP will be a safe pick, nobody gonna practice vT anyway.
Just imagine 2-3 Terrans qualifying and all being in the same group.
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I know everyone is disappointed Stork fumbled that last game (all credit to hero, he still could have won if Stork was playing his A game on that last map) but his improvement is definitely visible. Compared to where he was even a month or two ago he's looking great.
That last game looked like all nerves to me. He had a solid advantage with the earlier expo but I think the oracle really threw him off and it was downhill from there.
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On January 22 2014 21:53 Dinotramp wrote:
Just think...we might have a GSL Code S without a single TvT game... Holy shit...
Bbyong vs. Maru grand finals. Believe!
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Also congratulations to CJ fans out there, keep your heads up! The bad times are getting better
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On January 22 2014 21:54 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:53 Dinotramp wrote:
Just think...we might have a GSL Code S without a single TvT game... Holy shit... Bbyong vs. Maru grand finals. Believe!
That's so upsetting though. Look at Proleague recently, TvT and TvZ are so exciting and strategic right now. More so than ever in HotS I think yet we will not see any of that in Code S of the biggest league in the world. WTF?
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On January 22 2014 21:57 Dinotramp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:54 NovaMB wrote:On January 22 2014 21:53 Dinotramp wrote:
Just think...we might have a GSL Code S without a single TvT game... Holy shit... Bbyong vs. Maru grand finals. Believe! That's so upsetting though. Look at Proleague recently, TvT and TvZ are so exciting and strategic right now. More so than ever in HotS I think yet we will not see any of that in Code S of the biggest league in the world. WTF?
Its going to be horrible. ZvP galore. And if the trend continues everything will be Swarm Hosts. But hey, the ladder is 50% so all is fine and dandy
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Stork fought well despite losing, congrats to herO!
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On January 22 2014 22:00 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 21:57 Dinotramp wrote:On January 22 2014 21:54 NovaMB wrote:On January 22 2014 21:53 Dinotramp wrote:
Just think...we might have a GSL Code S without a single TvT game... Holy shit... Bbyong vs. Maru grand finals. Believe! That's so upsetting though. Look at Proleague recently, TvT and TvZ are so exciting and strategic right now. More so than ever in HotS I think yet we will not see any of that in Code S of the biggest league in the world. WTF? Its going to be horrible. ZvP galore. And if the trend continues everything will be Swarm Hosts. But hey, the ladder is 50% so all is fine and dandy
They can't surely. Even Blizzard who are famously bad at sorting things out, surely they must see this and think about changing the balance. Uugh. I cannot express how little interest I have in GSL now, I'll watch the groups with Terran's in but when it's just ZvP left, I'm out of there.
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