EPT[Code A] Group G Season 1 2014 - Page 56
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ClueClueClue
Sweden1203 Posts
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
On January 22 2014 22:19 bo1b wrote: They do read tl, and they have noticed the complaints (kim phan has an account here), hell kennigit had some interviews last year with Browder that included questions about some of the more stupid shit in the game. If they haven't reacted by now they're not going to for a while. Yes but, I'm not interested in them (DK and Browder) reading the complaints here on TL, I'm interested in filing a formal complaint so that their own departments, quality control, public relations, customer service, whatever, can see it and take action. I'm not interested in what DK thinks any more, I think he should be fired for doing a terrible job and someone more competent should be put in charge. Sorry for derailing the LR thread. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
FUCK EVERY SINGLE TOSS EVER Passion down by 100% This is what happens when I dont watch tt Inno  | ||
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
On January 22 2014 22:06 bittman wrote: But hey, one tournament doesn't have equal number of terrans. It must be balance. No, don't convince me otherwise. I don't for one second believe that some players are playing better on the day and some aren't. ...that said I do love all the terran matchups more than any other. So this GSL season isn't too interesting to me unless Maru goes wreckingballmode on them. TheBest also gonna wreck this season. More likely though, Ryung and Dream have a doable group. Especially compared to group I and J. EDIT: @Above: Sure you can file a complaint about David Kim and Dustin Browder to Blizzard. I'm sure they'll action that asap, fire those two and put another game designer that also okayed the changes you seem to hate so much that's a part of the team. Haha. Words of wisdom (^^)v And keep faith. I think there is still some hope for having 6 terrans in code S. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On January 22 2014 22:41 GumBa wrote: WHAT.IN.THE.ACTUAL.FUCK FUCK EVERY SINGLE TOSS EVER Passion down by 100% This is what happens when I dont watch tt Inno TT I'm so sorry | ||
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Salient
United States876 Posts
On January 22 2014 22:33 Zackeva wrote: Terran has a 67% winrate against P and 64% winrate against Z in proleague + fair representation in the other wcs regions. The terrans participating in GSL just had a bad season/were unlucky. Sure, there may be minor balance issues in the game, but these results are not symptomatic of any major imbalance, even though it doesn't bode well for the watchability of Code S (on paper, I'm sure we'll get to see a lot of good games either way : )). It's weird how Proleague became so Terran dominated all the sudden. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On January 22 2014 22:56 Salient wrote: It's weird how Proleague became so Terran dominated all the sudden. When I look at the lineups each week I see alot of green and maybe a few blue spots here and there. Maybe im color blind? | ||
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GWdeathscythe
Brazil1091 Posts
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Tamagoshi
Brazil981 Posts
So close | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On January 22 2014 22:56 Salient wrote: It's weird how Proleague became so Terran dominated all the sudden. If you mean the winrate, it's simple. There are so few terrans that could be played by those teams, and they choose to play even fewer of them, so the very best terrans get fielded on the every best terran maps, well prepared for protoss. And they are fed very weak players such as Stork and Emotion. Even then, if you take out the very best two terrans, the winrate is 50%... | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 22 2014 22:58 Fjodorov wrote: When I look at the lineups each week I see alot of green and maybe a few blue spots here and there. Maybe im color blind? the blue is in bold at the end of the match | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On January 22 2014 23:03 sAsImre wrote: the blue is in bold at the end of the match Baby + Maru + Flash account for 70% of Terran win in PL | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On January 22 2014 23:03 sAsImre wrote: the blue is in bold at the end of the match Ah I see, so terran is good but the teams field twice the amount of protoss players because? | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
On January 22 2014 22:33 Zackeva wrote: Terran has a 67% winrate against P and 64% winrate against Z in proleague Yeah and when in Code S one of the terrans will make it out of the first round and the other one will not, it will be exactly 50-50. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On January 22 2014 23:11 Fjodorov wrote: Ah I see, so terran is good but the teams field twice the amount of protoss players because? There's that many more of them, and bo1 setups favor Protoss in general. Look at the beginning of the Hots portion of Proleague last year. Was Protoss broken? Not even close. Were they still fielded way more than everyone else? You betcha | ||
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r691175002
249 Posts
By definition, over a long enough time period winrates will always trend towards 0 since players who lose more will no longer play against top level players. We have already seen this with Terrans in general moving far down the ladder, and being severely underrepresented in tournament brackets. The win rates only look marginally passable because there are no Terrans left to lose games. In WCS America, Terran currently constitutes 2/12 players who have made it through challenger. In Europe, they represent only 3/16 players. And we all know how Korea has gone (1/17 through Code A; 2/24 in Code S). Quite literally Terrans best tournament representation is in the range of 18%, and the total representation across all the aforementioned tournaments is a shocking 11%. And this is without even mentioning GM/Bronze distribution, in which Terran is significantly over/under represented. The best way to keep ladder win rates at 50% is by moving all the Terrans into bronze league. | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
On January 22 2014 23:24 r691175002 wrote: Looking at winrates in Proleague has zero relevance to balance. By definition, over a long enough time period winrates will always trend towards 0 since players who lose more will no longer play against top level players. We have already seen this with Terrans in general moving far down the ladder, and being severely underrepresented in tournament brackets. The win rates only look marginally passable because there are no Terrans left to lose games. In WCS America, Terran currently constitutes 2/12 players who have made it through challenger. In Europe, they represent only 3/16 players. And we all know how Korea has gone (1/17 through Code A; 2/24 in Code S). Quite literally Terrans best tournament representation is in the range of 18%, and the total representation across all the aforementioned tournaments is a shocking 11%. And this is without even mentioning GM/Bronze distribution, in which Terran is significantly over/under represented. The best way to keep ladder win rates at 50% is by moving all the Terrans into bronze league. Well shit.. this was a lot better than my sarcastic version above. | ||
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Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
On January 22 2014 22:33 Zackeva wrote: Terran has a 67% winrate against P and 64% winrate against Z in proleague + fair representation in the other wcs regions. The terrans participating in GSL just had a bad season/were unlucky. Sure, there may be minor balance issues in the game, but these results are not symptomatic of any major imbalance, even though it doesn't bode well for the watchability of Code S (on paper, I'm sure we'll get to see a lot of good games either way : )). only ty/maru/flash in PL : )) and bo1 is not measure worthy, id say bo3 in gsl worth more than bo1 PL terran so imba in PL, every team fields atleast 1 terran....not btw fair representation in other wcs regions like wcs america 5 P 2 T 5Z advanced to premier league so far wcs eu 20 P 12 T 16 Z atm in challenger league, 11P 6T 9 Z qualified so the challenger league .. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23696 Posts
Hell, Creator suffered a lot with the transition from WoL. That kind of incredibly solid defence set him apart from others in the matchup, now his stylistic trademark is gone and he doesn't get the benefit from his greedy play | ||
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jakethesnake
Canada4948 Posts
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