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On January 20 2014 09:23 SpunXtain20 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 09:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 20 2014 09:11 SpunXtain20 wrote:On January 20 2014 08:55 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 20 2014 08:51 bo1b wrote:On January 20 2014 08:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 20 2014 08:32 opterown wrote:
eh I think DRG zvt is pretty good I wonder why you guys think he is that good versus terran, he won vs innovation and then everybody was like "wow drg is back!!!", no he isn't. If his zvt is really that good he would not 6 pool vs maru, but yeah. I think his zvt is overhyped as fuck cause of one match vs innovation... You think it's possible to play a bo3 vs innovation with three incredible games and not have good zvt? "Maybe he just fluked it for 90 minutes," yeah right. Whatever, think what you want, in 3 days we might see if he is really that good DRG is one of the best ZvT players on the planet. Your logic 'he 6pooled maru' doesn't mean shit mate - if he thinks Maru thinks he is good at ZvT, Maru might try and get an eco advantage by 15cc builds. DRG banked on the fact he would do that and went for an early rush to counter it - unfortunately it didn't pay off. Like it or not, basically all pro players have to cheese occassionally to keep a credible threat and unpredictability in their play. If you *know* a player will never cheese you, you can abuse that fact by either cheesing them, or getting an eco lead every game. I just think it is funny that pretty much everytime someone doubts drg's zvt, the only reason people seem to think he is that good is ONE match vs innovation. Maybe i am dead wrong, but i at least don't value someone cause of one match, and a lot of people did ("drg is back!!!") "...but i at least don't value someone cause of one match..." - The_Red_Viper, 2014. "If his zvt is really that good he would not 6 pool vs maru, but yeah." - The_Red_Viper, 2014.
Logic? That was one argument against his "best zvt in the world" , i didn't value his zvt cause of that game, that would be pretty weird to do, but you have to ask yourself why he would 6 pool if he had confidence in his ZvT (again, that is just one thought, no value of his overall Zvt....)
I didn't value his zvt cause of the game against flash either, i looked at aligulac and did see pretty medicore stats overall, that is all i say here...
You guys just defend him again and again cause he won vs innovation, but again, we will see his zvt in code A
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On January 20 2014 08:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 08:24 bo1b wrote:On January 20 2014 08:21 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 20 2014 08:09 bo1b wrote:On January 19 2014 21:49 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On January 19 2014 21:46 bo1b wrote:On January 19 2014 21:38 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On January 19 2014 21:37 Ctesias wrote:On January 19 2014 21:35 Shellshock wrote:On January 19 2014 21:34 Caladan wrote:
I wanna see ace rematch flash - sniper. :D would be nice to see Sniper come back and take it but I would imagine MVP would be sending out Super They could always send out DRG. They also could just run naked out of the building, while screaming. + Show Spoiler +Doesnt make sense either. It annoys me when I see comments like this that have no clue how good drgs zvt is. You mean when we had Dual Sight still in the pool? You didn't watch your teams mascot get destroyed by drg in the gsl did you? Oh well, keep making silly assumptions I guess. DRG's zvt is good cause he won vs innovation in the gsl? I mean his stats since Hots aren't really that great His zvt is good because it's really fucking good? Before the widowmine nerf he was one of one people who had beaten innovation in straight up macro games without some massive melt down happening in innovation. Who gives a shit about the stats of a drg that was playing like dogshit until a few months ago? W/e, he does himself no favors when he goes out and 6pools a terran etc. Mhm if we only pick the games we like i think every zerg has good zvt, drg is mediocre, deal with it
GSL winners who built a reputation on ridiculously good ZvT are mediocre now. Okay.
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On January 20 2014 09:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 09:23 SpunXtain20 wrote:On January 20 2014 09:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 20 2014 09:11 SpunXtain20 wrote:On January 20 2014 08:55 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 20 2014 08:51 bo1b wrote:On January 20 2014 08:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 20 2014 08:32 opterown wrote:
eh I think DRG zvt is pretty good I wonder why you guys think he is that good versus terran, he won vs innovation and then everybody was like "wow drg is back!!!", no he isn't. If his zvt is really that good he would not 6 pool vs maru, but yeah. I think his zvt is overhyped as fuck cause of one match vs innovation... You think it's possible to play a bo3 vs innovation with three incredible games and not have good zvt? "Maybe he just fluked it for 90 minutes," yeah right. Whatever, think what you want, in 3 days we might see if he is really that good DRG is one of the best ZvT players on the planet. Your logic 'he 6pooled maru' doesn't mean shit mate - if he thinks Maru thinks he is good at ZvT, Maru might try and get an eco advantage by 15cc builds. DRG banked on the fact he would do that and went for an early rush to counter it - unfortunately it didn't pay off. Like it or not, basically all pro players have to cheese occassionally to keep a credible threat and unpredictability in their play. If you *know* a player will never cheese you, you can abuse that fact by either cheesing them, or getting an eco lead every game. I just think it is funny that pretty much everytime someone doubts drg's zvt, the only reason people seem to think he is that good is ONE match vs innovation. Maybe i am dead wrong, but i at least don't value someone cause of one match, and a lot of people did ("drg is back!!!") "...but i at least don't value someone cause of one match..." - The_Red_Viper, 2014. "If his zvt is really that good he would not 6 pool vs maru, but yeah." - The_Red_Viper, 2014. Logic? That was one argument against his "best zvt in the world" , i didn't value his zvt cause of that game, that would be pretty weird to do, but you have to ask yourself why he would 6 pool if he had confidence in his ZvT (again, that is just one thought, no value of his overall Zvt....) I didn't value his zvt cause of the game against flash either, i looked at aligulac and did see pretty medicore stats overall, that is all i say here... You guys just defend him again and again cause he won vs innovation, but again, we will see his zvt in code A
"...the only reason people seem to think he is that good is ONE match vs innovation" - The_Red_Viper, 2014.
"...i looked at aligulac and did see pretty mediocre stats overall, that is all i say here.." - The_Red_Viper, 2014.
" Results for   DongRaeGu between 2013-08-10 and 2014-01-13.
Games: 80.95% (17-4)
Matches: 90.00% (9-1)
Current Form:
W W W W W W W W W L
Recent Matches:
DongRaeGu 0 – 1  Maru
DongRaeGu 2 – 0 Harrier
DongRaeGu 3 – 0 Hack
DongRaeGu 2 – 0  Happy
DongRaeGu 2 – 1 Kop
DongRaeGu 2 – 1 Flash
DongRaeGu 2 – 1 INnoVation
DongRaeGu 2 – 0 GuMiho
DongRaeGu 1 – 0 MMA
DongRaeGu 1 – 0 FanTaSy
Filters:
+ Show Spoiler +Opponent Race: t
Opponent Country: all
Match Format: all
On/offline: both
Game Version: all
Stats by Aligulac. Link. " - Aligulac, 2014
"Logic?..." - The_Red_Viper, 2014.
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interesting that you only include the data that is good for you, i won't argue anymore with you, you are ridiculously biased
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opterown
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those matches are not cherry picked viper, I think you're biased here haha
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The_Red_Viper,
You said everyone started saying he was back cause of one match against Innovation. These are all the games around that time period, proving that, no, he didn't just win one match. He consecutively won a number of series against very high level players, including Gumiho, Flash, and Fantasy prior to that Bo3 win vs Innovation.
Your argument is entirely that people are judging him on one game.
Furthermore, you contend that he is bad based on one game against Maru, which furthermore was a gamble 6-pool build and thus not very indicative of skill anyway.
But you're right, I am the biased one here. Not the person who is using one 6pool build in an attempt to disregard the 9 matches prior to it.
"Logic?..." - The_Red_Viper, 2014.
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On January 20 2014 09:57 SpunXtain20 wrote:
The_Red_Viper,
You said everyone started saying he was back cause of one match against Innovation. These are all the games around that time period, proving that, no, he didn't just win one match. He consecutively won a number of series against very high level players, including Gumiho, Flash, and Fantasy prior to that Bo3 win vs Innovation.
Your argument is entirely that people are judging him on one game.
Furthermore, you contend that he is bad based on one game against Maru, which furthermore was a gamble 6-pool build and thus not very indicative of skill anyway.
But you're right, I am the biased one here. Not the person who is using one 6pool build in an attempt to disregard the 9 matches prior to it.
"Logic?..." - The_Red_Viper, 2014.
I didn't say he is bad cause of a 6 pool game, i said you have to ask yourself why he would do a 6 pool if he is so good at ZvT.
And yes, winning vs Harrier, Kop and Hack is surely impressive as hell, cmon be real for a moment pls.
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Why exactly set the date? Because people were saying "He's back" not "He was good for all of HotS". Furthermore, I wasn't one of those people arguing that, but I just hate seeing idiots like you who try to argue something with faulty logic and make the same fallacies that they're arguing other people use.
You really are an idiot, good sir.
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On January 20 2014 10:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 09:57 SpunXtain20 wrote:
The_Red_Viper,
You said everyone started saying he was back cause of one match against Innovation. These are all the games around that time period, proving that, no, he didn't just win one match. He consecutively won a number of series against very high level players, including Gumiho, Flash, and Fantasy prior to that Bo3 win vs Innovation.
Your argument is entirely that people are judging him on one game.
Furthermore, you contend that he is bad based on one game against Maru, which furthermore was a gamble 6-pool build and thus not very indicative of skill anyway.
But you're right, I am the biased one here. Not the person who is using one 6pool build in an attempt to disregard the 9 matches prior to it.
"Logic?..." - The_Red_Viper, 2014. I didn't say he is bad cause of a 6 pool game, i said you have to ask yourself why he would do a 6 pool if he is so good at ZvT. And yes, winning vs Harrier, Kop and Hack is surely impressive as hell, cmon be real for a moment pls.
"He consecutively won a number of series against very high level players, including Gumiho, Flash and Fantasy prior to that Bo3 win vs Innovation" - SpunXtain20, 2014.
"And yes, winning vs Harrier, Kop and Hack is surely impressive as hell, cmon be real for a moment pls." - The_Red_Viper, 2014.
"Logic?..." - The_Red_Viper, 2014.
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If i could report you, i would
The funny thing is you really seem to think that you are making good arguments
Fantasy, the one who isn't even allowed to play in Proleague?
Gumiho, who did nothing impressive for a long time either...
Yeah such high class players, you did fully convince me now, ty, you should become a pastor!
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On January 20 2014 10:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 09:57 SpunXtain20 wrote:
The_Red_Viper,
You said everyone started saying he was back cause of one match against Innovation. These are all the games around that time period, proving that, no, he didn't just win one match. He consecutively won a number of series against very high level players, including Gumiho, Flash, and Fantasy prior to that Bo3 win vs Innovation.
Your argument is entirely that people are judging him on one game.
Furthermore, you contend that he is bad based on one game against Maru, which furthermore was a gamble 6-pool build and thus not very indicative of skill anyway.
But you're right, I am the biased one here. Not the person who is using one 6pool build in an attempt to disregard the 9 matches prior to it.
"Logic?..." - The_Red_Viper, 2014. I didn't say he is bad cause of a 6 pool game, i said you have to ask yourself why he would do a 6 pool if he is so good at ZvT. And yes, winning vs Harrier, Kop and Hack is surely impressive as hell, cmon be real for a moment pls.
Yeah, like what was with that Jaedong guy in Brood War? Using 4 pool builds? If he was really so good, why did he have to 4 pool? Conclusion: Jaedong actually wasn't good at Brood War.
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On January 20 2014 10:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
If i could report you, i would
The funny thing is you really seem to think that you are making good arguments
Fantasy, the one who isn't even allowed to play in Proleague?
Gumiho, who did nothing impressive for a long time either...
Yeah such high class players, you did fully convince me now, ty, you should become a pastor!
"If i could report you, i would" - The_Red_Viper, while knowing full well he has absolutely no credible reason to report me, 2014.
"Fantasy, the one who isn't even allowed to play in Proleague?" - The_Red_Viper, 2014.
"Jin Air Green Wings vs SK Telecom T1
(T)Maru < Outboxer > (Z)Soulkey
(P)sOs < Yeonsu LE > (P)Rain
(Z)TRUE < Star Station TE > (T)FanTaSy
(Z)Rogue (CliMax,Savage) < Frost LE > (P)Classic" - Proleague, Round 1 Week 4, 2014.
"...you did fully convince me now, ty..." - The_Red_Viper, possibly while having a revelation, 2014.
"you should become a pastor!" - The_Red_Viper, the first good idea he had, 2014.
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You're right though, Fantasy not playing very regularly in proleague has nothing to do with the fact that three of his teammates were in the top 8 of the last WCS KR season, and two of them were the finalists of the Hot6ix Cup.
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If I could only watch one game, should I watch sniper v Flash or Drg v flash?
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
DRG flash was the better game, hero creator was great too, those are the two to watch from last night
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DRG mediocre in ZvT? I'd take his PL with a grain of salt. He trolled hard vs Maru.
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On January 20 2014 10:24 Steins;Gate wrote:
If I could only watch one game, should I watch sniper v Flash or Drg v flash?
Hero vs creator for the drama.
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On January 20 2014 10:24 Steins;Gate wrote:
If I could only watch one game, should I watch sniper v Flash or Drg v flash?
DRG vs Flash
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EPT
