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aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
October 11 2013 20:17 GMT
#1721
On October 12 2013 05:16 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:15 aZealot wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:12 Keeemy wrote:
LR threads so full of whine


Really? It's been way whinier than this in other LR threads. This seems quite good to me, at least so far.


He did say threads.


Oh. Yeah. Oh well. This is still better than quite a few other recent LR threads, IMO.
KT best KT ~ 2014
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 11 2013 20:17 GMT
#1722
On October 12 2013 05:17 SixStrings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:15 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:13 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:07 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:05 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:04 SoFrOsTy wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:02 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 04:59 Fat_Elephant wrote:
Hmmmm, I wasnt interested in StarCraft when Flash was dominating Broodwar. Im wondering how much of his skill was placed on the much higher demands of mechanics as opposed to overall game sense. Maybe players like Jaedong and Flash simply succeeded because there wasnt as much leniency in BW then today. idk


Jaedong is top3 zerg in sc2, dont compare him to the average terran


Top 3? You think he is better than soO, Soulkey, Hyvaa, Dongraegu, and Symbol? I don't think so. He is definitely below them. I might even put him below Hyun ATM.


better than hyvaa, drg and symbol easily
soo and soulkey depends on the matchups


Nah. His ZvZ is worse than Hyun. DRG's ZvT is better than Jaedong's. His ZvP is at best even with Soo and Soulkey, same thing for his ZvZ. But his ZvT is much worse than either of them.

You're underrating Symbol and Hyvaa greatly.


Symbol below 50% winrate, hyvaa barely 50% - no further need to mention those two
DRG is better in ONE matchup (1 > 2 or what?)

Symbol also sometimes makes GSL finals/ro8 while Jaedong is losing to theognis in AM challenger.


But he was better in SC:BW, so he's clearly the better SC2 player. Duh...

Use your brain why don't you?

I'm sorry silly me
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 11 2013 20:18 GMT
#1723
On October 12 2013 05:17 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:15 GolemMadness wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:11 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:09 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:06 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:05 herMan wrote:
No one seems to remember flash's absolute tear at proleague. This community sure has a short memory.

He actually has a lower WR than Innovation at proleague. He was played by Kt almost every game though.

Yes he had a lower win rate than INNOVATION at proleague (by less than .5%) and was only played two more times than Innovation, so that clearly means his record in proleague wasn't that good.


PL was overrated, It was missing the other half of the really good Korean players.


Why does that matter? He still did extremely well against lots of good players. That's like saying "A GSL win is overrated. He didn't even play half the people in the tournament!"


Because the idea of "PL is the highest level of competition in Korea" has stuck around despite the fact that its format and preparation can only be applied to itself. Sure being good at PL is good, but in that case Ryung is actually a god because he kicked the shit out of the GSTL but no one is applying that kind of logic to him.

Ryung is a god anyway since "IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA" so you don't even need to apply that kind of logic.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18407 Posts
October 11 2013 20:18 GMT
#1724
wow the jaedong hate is pretty big in this thread lol

poor guy, keeps proving himself how good he is and people still bash him
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 11 2013 20:19 GMT
#1725
On October 12 2013 05:18 sharkie wrote:
wow the jaedong hate is pretty big in this thread lol

poor guy, keeps proving himself how good he is and people still bash him

We just bash on him actually being top 3 zerg in the world. He is top 10 for sure, but top 3? doubtful, unless you factor in BW titles.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 11 2013 20:19 GMT
#1726
On October 12 2013 05:18 sharkie wrote:
wow the jaedong hate is pretty big in this thread lol

poor guy, keeps proving himself how good he is and people still bash him

I don't hate Jaedong at all, but I hate when people suggest he is wayyyy better than top zergs in Korea.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8516 Posts
October 11 2013 20:19 GMT
#1727
On October 12 2013 05:19 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:18 sharkie wrote:
wow the jaedong hate is pretty big in this thread lol

poor guy, keeps proving himself how good he is and people still bash him

We just bash on him actually being top 3 zerg in the world. He is top 10 for sure, but top 3? doubtful, unless you factor in BW titles.


Top 2 - he is a kong after all.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 11 2013 20:20 GMT
#1728
On October 12 2013 05:19 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:19 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:18 sharkie wrote:
wow the jaedong hate is pretty big in this thread lol

poor guy, keeps proving himself how good he is and people still bash him

We just bash on him actually being top 3 zerg in the world. He is top 10 for sure, but top 3? doubtful, unless you factor in BW titles.


Top 2 - he is a kong after all.

Ouch.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Nerevar
Profile Joined January 2013
547 Posts
October 11 2013 20:20 GMT
#1729
On October 12 2013 05:17 SixStrings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:15 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:13 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:07 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:05 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:04 SoFrOsTy wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:02 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 04:59 Fat_Elephant wrote:
Hmmmm, I wasnt interested in StarCraft when Flash was dominating Broodwar. Im wondering how much of his skill was placed on the much higher demands of mechanics as opposed to overall game sense. Maybe players like Jaedong and Flash simply succeeded because there wasnt as much leniency in BW then today. idk


Jaedong is top3 zerg in sc2, dont compare him to the average terran


Top 3? You think he is better than soO, Soulkey, Hyvaa, Dongraegu, and Symbol? I don't think so. He is definitely below them. I might even put him below Hyun ATM.


better than hyvaa, drg and symbol easily
soo and soulkey depends on the matchups


Nah. His ZvZ is worse than Hyun. DRG's ZvT is better than Jaedong's. His ZvP is at best even with Soo and Soulkey, same thing for his ZvZ. But his ZvT is much worse than either of them.

You're underrating Symbol and Hyvaa greatly.


Symbol below 50% winrate, hyvaa barely 50% - no further need to mention those two
DRG is better in ONE matchup (1 > 2 or what?)

Symbol also sometimes makes GSL finals/ro8 while Jaedong is losing to theognis in AM challenger.


But he was better in SC:BW, so he's clearly the better SC2 player. Duh...

Use your brain why don't you?

Well, Symbol did beat Midas once in BW. And Midas did beat Flash once in BW.

Therefore, Symbol was the better BW player.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 11 2013 20:20 GMT
#1730
On October 12 2013 05:17 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:15 GolemMadness wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:11 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:09 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:06 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:05 herMan wrote:
No one seems to remember flash's absolute tear at proleague. This community sure has a short memory.

He actually has a lower WR than Innovation at proleague. He was played by Kt almost every game though.

Yes he had a lower win rate than INNOVATION at proleague (by less than .5%) and was only played two more times than Innovation, so that clearly means his record in proleague wasn't that good.


PL was overrated, It was missing the other half of the really good Korean players.


Why does that matter? He still did extremely well against lots of good players. That's like saying "A GSL win is overrated. He didn't even play half the people in the tournament!"


Because the idea of "PL is the highest level of competition in Korea" has stuck around despite the fact that its format and preparation can only be applied to itself. Sure being good at PL is good, but in that case Ryung is actually a god because he kicked the shit out of the GSTL but no one is applying that kind of logic to him.


I barely see anyone saying that anymore. The idea that Proleague has little meaning because of its Bo1 format is much more common. The point is that Flash has shown high potential in Starcraft 2.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
October 11 2013 20:21 GMT
#1731
Ahh I was looking forward to the full version of something about us .
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 11 2013 20:22 GMT
#1732
On October 12 2013 05:20 Nerevar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:17 SixStrings wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:15 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:13 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:07 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:05 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:04 SoFrOsTy wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:02 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 04:59 Fat_Elephant wrote:
Hmmmm, I wasnt interested in StarCraft when Flash was dominating Broodwar. Im wondering how much of his skill was placed on the much higher demands of mechanics as opposed to overall game sense. Maybe players like Jaedong and Flash simply succeeded because there wasnt as much leniency in BW then today. idk


Jaedong is top3 zerg in sc2, dont compare him to the average terran


Top 3? You think he is better than soO, Soulkey, Hyvaa, Dongraegu, and Symbol? I don't think so. He is definitely below them. I might even put him below Hyun ATM.


better than hyvaa, drg and symbol easily
soo and soulkey depends on the matchups


Nah. His ZvZ is worse than Hyun. DRG's ZvT is better than Jaedong's. His ZvP is at best even with Soo and Soulkey, same thing for his ZvZ. But his ZvT is much worse than either of them.

You're underrating Symbol and Hyvaa greatly.


Symbol below 50% winrate, hyvaa barely 50% - no further need to mention those two
DRG is better in ONE matchup (1 > 2 or what?)

Symbol also sometimes makes GSL finals/ro8 while Jaedong is losing to theognis in AM challenger.


But he was better in SC:BW, so he's clearly the better SC2 player. Duh...

Use your brain why don't you?

Well, Symbol did beat Midas once in BW. And Midas did beat Flash once in BW.

Therefore, Symbol was the better BW player.

Ohoho The shoe is on the other table, which has turned. Symbol was the true SC bonjwa.
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panzercrusher
Profile Joined April 2013
Poland457 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-11 20:23:20
October 11 2013 20:22 GMT
#1733
Well I think it`s good when there`s so much emotions after good series of sc2.
I never asked for this
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
October 11 2013 20:22 GMT
#1734
Daft Punk compilation is pretty good filler.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-11 20:23:41
October 11 2013 20:23 GMT
#1735
On October 12 2013 05:22 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Daft Punk compilation is pretty good filler.

What remix/medley/whatever is it exactly? Anyone know?
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
October 11 2013 20:25 GMT
#1736
Despite how good Curious played against Innovation, I think he is still beatable for Flash. Assuming he doesn't do that weird Hellbat build.
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SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
October 11 2013 20:25 GMT
#1737
On October 12 2013 05:22 Darkhoarse wrote:

Ohoho The shoe is on the other table, which has turned.


That's it, I'm out.
DinoToss
Profile Joined August 2013
Poland507 Posts
October 11 2013 20:26 GMT
#1738
On October 12 2013 05:25 stuchiu wrote:
Despite how good Curious played against Innovation, I think he is still beatable for Flash. Assuming he doesn't do that weird Hellbat build.

Unless Curious pulls Dimaga. But not many players can pull of Dimaga.
My wrist really started to flare up. My colossi number started to pile up and with the last of my concentration I prepared for a win.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 11 2013 20:26 GMT
#1739
On October 12 2013 05:25 stuchiu wrote:
Despite how good Curious played against Innovation, I think he is still beatable for Flash. Assuming he doesn't do that weird Hellbat build.

Inb4 Flash goes mass raven turtle.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2053 Posts
October 11 2013 20:26 GMT
#1740
On October 12 2013 05:25 stuchiu wrote:
Despite how good Curious played against Innovation, I think he is still beatable for Flash. Assuming he doesn't do that weird Hellbat build.


Agreed, that shit hasn't been working out.
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