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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 11 2013 20:14 GMT
#1701
On October 12 2013 05:12 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:11 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:09 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:06 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:05 herMan wrote:
No one seems to remember flash's absolute tear at proleague. This community sure has a short memory.

He actually has a lower WR than Innovation at proleague. He was played by Kt almost every game though.

Yes he had a lower win rate than INNOVATION at proleague (by less than .5%) and was only played two more times than Innovation, so that clearly means his record in proleague wasn't that good.


PL was overrated, It was missing the other half of the really good Korean players.

This one too. And yes, if you talk about on a tear, you may want to consider if his winrate was an on a tear.

His winrate was on a tear. Despite being played the most of any player, he had the third highest winrate in the league, less that .3% behind sOs and less than .5% behind Innovation.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Fat_Elephant
Profile Joined May 2013
Angola54 Posts
October 11 2013 20:14 GMT
#1702
Here we go!
I support and use Ad-blocker for this site as matter of convenience and disregard TL's financial responsibilities.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
October 11 2013 20:14 GMT
#1703
everybody PANIC
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States43797 Posts
October 11 2013 20:14 GMT
#1704
Consistent stream issues with Twitch all day for me... mostly the audio cutting in and out
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8366 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-11 20:15:18
October 11 2013 20:15 GMT
#1705
On October 12 2013 05:14 Wiggins8 wrote:
Flash: "I'm outta here..."


and pulls the plug. " If I can't like SC2, no one can!"
openbox1
Profile Joined March 2011
1393 Posts
October 11 2013 20:15 GMT
#1706
State, made one massively unlucky mistake though, clumping his probes into two little neat piles, just perfectly for the widow mine shots. I think that completely screwed his morale that he ended up screwing up his micro at the natural.

GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 11 2013 20:15 GMT
#1707
On October 12 2013 05:11 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:09 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:06 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:05 herMan wrote:
No one seems to remember flash's absolute tear at proleague. This community sure has a short memory.

He actually has a lower WR than Innovation at proleague. He was played by Kt almost every game though.

Yes he had a lower win rate than INNOVATION at proleague (by less than .5%) and was only played two more times than Innovation, so that clearly means his record in proleague wasn't that good.


PL was overrated, It was missing the other half of the really good Korean players.


Why does that matter? He still did extremely well against lots of good players. That's like saying "A GSL win is overrated. He didn't even play half the people in the tournament!"
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
October 11 2013 20:15 GMT
#1708
On October 12 2013 05:12 Keeemy wrote:
LR threads so full of whine


Really? It's been way whinier than this in other LR threads. This seems quite good to me, at least so far.
KT best KT ~ 2014
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 11 2013 20:15 GMT
#1709
On October 12 2013 05:13 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:07 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:05 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:04 SoFrOsTy wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:02 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 04:59 Fat_Elephant wrote:
Hmmmm, I wasnt interested in StarCraft when Flash was dominating Broodwar. Im wondering how much of his skill was placed on the much higher demands of mechanics as opposed to overall game sense. Maybe players like Jaedong and Flash simply succeeded because there wasnt as much leniency in BW then today. idk


Jaedong is top3 zerg in sc2, dont compare him to the average terran


Top 3? You think he is better than soO, Soulkey, Hyvaa, Dongraegu, and Symbol? I don't think so. He is definitely below them. I might even put him below Hyun ATM.


better than hyvaa, drg and symbol easily
soo and soulkey depends on the matchups


Nah. His ZvZ is worse than Hyun. DRG's ZvT is better than Jaedong's. His ZvP is at best even with Soo and Soulkey, same thing for his ZvZ. But his ZvT is much worse than either of them.

You're underrating Symbol and Hyvaa greatly.


Symbol below 50% winrate, hyvaa barely 50% - no further need to mention those two
DRG is better in ONE matchup (1 > 2 or what?)

Symbol also sometimes makes GSL finals/ro8 while Jaedong is losing to theognis in AM challenger.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 11 2013 20:16 GMT
#1710
On October 12 2013 05:15 aZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:12 Keeemy wrote:
LR threads so full of whine


Really? It's been way whinier than this in other LR threads. This seems quite good to me, at least so far.


He did say threads.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-11 20:17:38
October 11 2013 20:16 GMT
#1711
On October 12 2013 05:14 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:13 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:07 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:05 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:04 SoFrOsTy wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:02 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 04:59 Fat_Elephant wrote:
Hmmmm, I wasnt interested in StarCraft when Flash was dominating Broodwar. Im wondering how much of his skill was placed on the much higher demands of mechanics as opposed to overall game sense. Maybe players like Jaedong and Flash simply succeeded because there wasnt as much leniency in BW then today. idk


Jaedong is top3 zerg in sc2, dont compare him to the average terran


Top 3? You think he is better than soO, Soulkey, Hyvaa, Dongraegu, and Symbol? I don't think so. He is definitely below them. I might even put him below Hyun ATM.


better than hyvaa, drg and symbol easily
soo and soulkey depends on the matchups


Nah. His ZvZ is worse than Hyun. DRG's ZvT is better than Jaedong's. His ZvP is at best even with Soo and Soulkey, same thing for his ZvZ. But his ZvT is much worse than either of them.

You're underrating Symbol and Hyvaa greatly.


Symbol below 50% winrate, hyvaa barely 50%
DRG is better in ONE matchup (1 > 2 or what?)


Symbol and Hyvaa also didn't run away from Code S and didn't get the chance to bolster their winrates through going to every lan outside of Korea. DRG is better in ZvT, but I can't prove or disprove his ZvP or ZvZ is better or worse because there is no data on it.

DRGs ZvZ and ZvP is good enough to beat anyone in the world. He 2-0d Life yesterday, honestly he looked better than Curious to me in all three games just made some silly mistakes that he shouldnt have and his series v. Dear and Soulkey were super super close.

On October 12 2013 05:15 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:13 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:07 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:05 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:04 SoFrOsTy wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:02 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 04:59 Fat_Elephant wrote:
Hmmmm, I wasnt interested in StarCraft when Flash was dominating Broodwar. Im wondering how much of his skill was placed on the much higher demands of mechanics as opposed to overall game sense. Maybe players like Jaedong and Flash simply succeeded because there wasnt as much leniency in BW then today. idk


Jaedong is top3 zerg in sc2, dont compare him to the average terran


Top 3? You think he is better than soO, Soulkey, Hyvaa, Dongraegu, and Symbol? I don't think so. He is definitely below them. I might even put him below Hyun ATM.


better than hyvaa, drg and symbol easily
soo and soulkey depends on the matchups


Nah. His ZvZ is worse than Hyun. DRG's ZvT is better than Jaedong's. His ZvP is at best even with Soo and Soulkey, same thing for his ZvZ. But his ZvT is much worse than either of them.

You're underrating Symbol and Hyvaa greatly.


Symbol below 50% winrate, hyvaa barely 50% - no further need to mention those two
DRG is better in ONE matchup (1 > 2 or what?)

Symbol also sometimes makes GSL finals/ro8 while Jaedong is losing to theognis in AM challenger.

that series was a really long time ago. Its just hard to gauge how good someone really is when they arent playing against the top players (WCS KR) day in and day out.
#TheOneTrueDong
dizzy101
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-11 20:17:15
October 11 2013 20:16 GMT
#1712
Why does this event have so few viewers? Barely 5k.

That's as many as the 3rd most popular Hearthstone channel right now.
ReMinD_
Profile Joined May 2013
Croatia846 Posts
October 11 2013 20:16 GMT
#1713
On October 12 2013 05:11 aZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:09 DifuntO wrote:
That was some good cheese.


Indeed. Good cheese is good.


Indeed. Some very good cheese.
Parting: Well, even I can make better maps than these.
Frex
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland888 Posts
October 11 2013 20:16 GMT
#1714
That last game was actually the most impressing game from Flash in Sc2 that I have seen, not the usual stuff, something out of the ordinary.

WP Flash
SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
October 11 2013 20:17 GMT
#1715
On October 12 2013 05:15 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:13 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:07 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:05 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:04 SoFrOsTy wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:02 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 04:59 Fat_Elephant wrote:
Hmmmm, I wasnt interested in StarCraft when Flash was dominating Broodwar. Im wondering how much of his skill was placed on the much higher demands of mechanics as opposed to overall game sense. Maybe players like Jaedong and Flash simply succeeded because there wasnt as much leniency in BW then today. idk


Jaedong is top3 zerg in sc2, dont compare him to the average terran


Top 3? You think he is better than soO, Soulkey, Hyvaa, Dongraegu, and Symbol? I don't think so. He is definitely below them. I might even put him below Hyun ATM.


better than hyvaa, drg and symbol easily
soo and soulkey depends on the matchups


Nah. His ZvZ is worse than Hyun. DRG's ZvT is better than Jaedong's. His ZvP is at best even with Soo and Soulkey, same thing for his ZvZ. But his ZvT is much worse than either of them.

You're underrating Symbol and Hyvaa greatly.


Symbol below 50% winrate, hyvaa barely 50% - no further need to mention those two
DRG is better in ONE matchup (1 > 2 or what?)

Symbol also sometimes makes GSL finals/ro8 while Jaedong is losing to theognis in AM challenger.


But he was better in SC:BW, so he's clearly the better SC2 player. Duh...

Use your brain why don't you?
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
October 11 2013 20:17 GMT
#1716
On October 12 2013 05:16 dizzy101 wrote:
Why does this event have so few viewers? Barely 5k.

That's like as many of the 3rd most popular Hearthstone channel right now.

its like 40k
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 11 2013 20:17 GMT
#1717
On October 12 2013 05:16 dizzy101 wrote:
Why does this event have so few viewers? Barely 5k.

That's like as many of the 3rd most popular Hearthstone channel right now.

Its main stream has 30k and the other streams put it over 40k concurrent.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
October 11 2013 20:17 GMT
#1718
On October 12 2013 05:15 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:11 stuchiu wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:09 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:06 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:05 herMan wrote:
No one seems to remember flash's absolute tear at proleague. This community sure has a short memory.

He actually has a lower WR than Innovation at proleague. He was played by Kt almost every game though.

Yes he had a lower win rate than INNOVATION at proleague (by less than .5%) and was only played two more times than Innovation, so that clearly means his record in proleague wasn't that good.


PL was overrated, It was missing the other half of the really good Korean players.


Why does that matter? He still did extremely well against lots of good players. That's like saying "A GSL win is overrated. He didn't even play half the people in the tournament!"


Because the idea of "PL is the highest level of competition in Korea" has stuck around despite the fact that its format and preparation can only be applied to itself. Sure being good at PL is good, but in that case Ryung is actually a god because he kicked the shit out of the GSTL but no one is applying that kind of logic to him.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 11 2013 20:17 GMT
#1719
On October 12 2013 05:16 dizzy101 wrote:
Why does this event have so few viewers? Barely 5k.

That's like as many of the 3rd most popular Hearthstone channel right now.


Which stream are you looking at? The ESLTV one has 30k.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Fat_Elephant
Profile Joined May 2013
Angola54 Posts
October 11 2013 20:17 GMT
#1720
Sponsored by RaidCall, indiscriminately banning SC2 accounts like a nerd baller.
I support and use Ad-blocker for this site as matter of convenience and disregard TL's financial responsibilities.
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