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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 10:10:56
September 29 2013 10:10 GMT
#2301
If flash didn't hesitate dropping his marines on that tank he wins the game. By the time he decided to drop on it, a 2nd tank popped out to save it. If flash took out that first siege tank, then he could have dropped on 2nd and won the game there. That hesitation cost him that game.
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jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
September 29 2013 10:10 GMT
#2302
hmmm seems people are still forgetting Flash hasn't played SC2 nearly as long as a lot of these players (like even Maru, who's played much longer), and by his own admition didn't expect to be at the top or anything anytime soon. it takes a damn long time to understand the game, and judging by a few of the decisions he made today he's obviously not there yet. but he is capable of getting himself to great positions or winning against the best players in every matchup, just it's not consistent enough yet. can't give up on him yet, needs a bit more time... even though everyone seems to think he's had enough time and he should be #1 "or retire". which is bullshit. as if there is no middle ground...

I always feared him facing Maru for sure. I don't think any sane person wants to play Maru TvT after what he's been pulling off this year. but Flash losing game 3 against Parting was the worst for him... he was a base up for most that game and in fantastic position but got terribly outmaneuvered when deciding to base race. that's the game that hurt him most, bit of a shame.
(>'.')>
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 10:11:39
September 29 2013 10:11 GMT
#2303
On September 29 2013 19:10 fluidin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 19:06 opterown wrote:
i understand the importance of flash to the scene but he was not the better player today, and anyone who calls doom upon starcraft for flash not playing well should blame flash, not anything else.

yes, maru cheesed the games. flash played quite well to defend the cheeses (all 3 of them) and got a sizable lead in each game, but maru was the superior player for knowing what to do when he was so far behind. heck, he was close to winning game 2 as well.

the ro8 may not be the most star-studded one ever, but that's a consequence of the stars not playing to their level as well as some of them being in other regions. such is life.



anyone who calls doom on SC2 for flash not playing well aren't rational fans, or even real flash fans. and these posts aren't even prevalent, contrary to a picture you prime fans are painting

what the most disgusting thing was in this thread today were the multitude of people (including you) baiting and hating on flash.

the fuck did i do to bait flash lol, i have one post saying like "flash can't win with such a lead" something along those lines rofl. the rest was cheering for maru which any fan of a player would do.

and flash fans far outnumber prime fans lol
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kyllinghest
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway1607 Posts
September 29 2013 10:11 GMT
#2304
On September 29 2013 19:03 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 19:01 kyllinghest wrote:
On September 29 2013 18:58 TheDwf wrote:
Worst thing is that the standard gas 15 expand he was doing holds this proxy just fine with some SCVs as a buffer. /:

He did hold, but that sick siege tank + three reaper defense......

Yes he held, but he deviated from his build and locked himself in a dubious stuff. With the gas 15 expand, you can inflict heavy damage or even outright kill a 2 rax reapers → triple OC with a Marines/Hellions elevator, especially as he needed time to float back those rax. Flash probably didn't want to take any risk as the defence is very tight, but as a result he chose something which ended up being overly safe for defence, and not enough for offence. /:

Thats a fair point. Still there are so many openings for reapers on that map, and Marus micro is insane (plus flash fell behind on marines by starting a reactor only to cancel it when he spotted the proxies. All in all I still think Flash would have won if it wasn´t for that totally crazy tank - reaper defense.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 29 2013 10:12 GMT
#2305
On September 29 2013 19:01 fluidin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 18:59 Dodgin wrote:
On September 29 2013 18:59 Heartland wrote:
Please Flash fans, it's okay to be upset/angry/irritated after your fave player loses but stop dressing it up as this loss killing sc2/showing everything wrong with sc2/losing all fans or whatever.



this is why flash fans are insufferable



nowhere near as insufferable as you. and I don't do all of the above btw. check my post history. I'm fairly new to TL/SC and yet you people are easily the most insufferable posters. Look in the mirror yourself


You find me annoying fine, but at least I've done something for this community other than bitching about sc2 being dead and flash losing in LR threads.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 29 2013 10:12 GMT
#2306
On September 29 2013 19:02 Gaius Baltar wrote:
Maru opening proxy reapers into 3 command then holding the counterattack with a sieged tank feels so incorrect.

That he was even able to have a tank with siege covering himself in that situation, seems so incorrect to game sense. His opening was aggressive, it was greedy, yet somehow he also had tech to save himself.

Maybe an unintended consequence of some of the HotS balance tweaks.

SC2 has a lot of things like that which make zero sense conceptually, and the risk/reward ratio for certain things is completely stupid; but well, Flash could have avoided this unfortunate situation.
tozi
Profile Joined October 2008
United States506 Posts
September 29 2013 10:12 GMT
#2307
Its understandable that people backlash when they hear "extremist" flash fans crying out against SC2 because of bw legacy, etc, etc but I feel its equally unfair to give so much hate back towards flash just because of a small vocal minority. Why not just ignore those fans and save your hate for elsewhere?

A CMON, Flash fell out of the RO16 once again after coming SO CLOSE. Isn't it understandable that people are worked up?

I've been a flash fan for years now and though I miss his dominance in bw, I see a lot of potential and promise in his sc2 game. Call me delusional but I still believe he will rise to his dominant spot once again.
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Crackpot
Profile Joined May 2013
58 Posts
September 29 2013 10:12 GMT
#2308
I mean, if you defend proxy racks reaper and your enemy goes for 2 ccs after that loss. Isn't it the worst position ever to face a 1 base tank marine all in?

How can you throw that ?

Flash's biggest problem is not the opponent player, its the game. It's always Flash vs SC2. He needs to regain that killer instinct, that you really want to crush your enemy, not just to survive in the game and hopefully win in the end. Maru showed us that instinct in every attack he executed.

TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 29 2013 10:13 GMT
#2309
On September 29 2013 19:10 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 19:05 TheDwf wrote:
Surely you should have realized by now that this kind of domination is virtually impossible in 2013 SC2 anyway?


I still think it is. I don't see a reason why it wouldn't be, other than maybe players need the necessary amount of motivation and exposure to get to that level and the scene is not allowing that anymore.

The game doesn't allow it at all.
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
September 29 2013 10:13 GMT
#2310
On September 29 2013 18:58 lolfail9001 wrote:
2 team kills in Ro8? When this happened last time?

Never... If Clide switched over from TSL to SlayerS a bit sooner (ike a month and a half) then October 2011. lol
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 29 2013 10:14 GMT
#2311
On September 29 2013 19:12 tozi wrote:
Its understandable that people backlash when they hear "extremist" flash fans crying out against SC2 because of bw legacy, etc, etc but I feel its equally unfair to give so much hate back towards flash just because of a small vocal minority. Why not just ignore those fans and save your hate for elsewhere?

A CMON, Flash fell out of the RO16 once again after coming SO CLOSE. Isn't it understandable that people are worked up?

I've been a flash fan for years now and though I miss his dominance in bw, I see a lot of potential and promise in his sc2 game. Call me delusional but I still believe he will rise to his dominant spot once again.

We do not hate on flash. I for one, would rather him watch the game he likes, and not the game he plays for fans (well, maybe) and money. Especially since there is a good chance that after total salary cut he may actually make more money from streaming BW on afreeca.
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jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
September 29 2013 10:14 GMT
#2312
well at least silver lining is Maru is going to Blizzcon, gl hf
(>'.')>
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 10:15:26
September 29 2013 10:15 GMT
#2313
First 1 normal WCS day LR thread to break 100 pages since the OSL finals I believe. hooray for group of death!
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 29 2013 10:15 GMT
#2314
On September 29 2013 19:12 Crackpot wrote:
I mean, if you defend proxy racks reaper and your enemy goes for 2 ccs after that loss. Isn't it the worst position ever to face a 1 base tank marine all in?

Obviously not, because HotS has instant Siege Tanks, so your first Tank stops dead or considerably slows his progress, allowing your extra OCs to pay off. Flash would have needed extra air (another Medivac or a Banshee), or pulling SCVs, to win right away.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
September 29 2013 10:15 GMT
#2315
On September 29 2013 19:15 Shellshock wrote:
First 1 normal WCS day LR thread to break 100 pages since the OSL finals I believe. hooray for group of death!

i didn't even realize lol
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fluidin
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore1084 Posts
September 29 2013 10:15 GMT
#2316
On September 29 2013 19:11 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 19:10 fluidin wrote:
On September 29 2013 19:06 opterown wrote:
i understand the importance of flash to the scene but he was not the better player today, and anyone who calls doom upon starcraft for flash not playing well should blame flash, not anything else.

yes, maru cheesed the games. flash played quite well to defend the cheeses (all 3 of them) and got a sizable lead in each game, but maru was the superior player for knowing what to do when he was so far behind. heck, he was close to winning game 2 as well.

the ro8 may not be the most star-studded one ever, but that's a consequence of the stars not playing to their level as well as some of them being in other regions. such is life.



anyone who calls doom on SC2 for flash not playing well aren't rational fans, or even real flash fans. and these posts aren't even prevalent, contrary to a picture you prime fans are painting

what the most disgusting thing was in this thread today were the multitude of people (including you) baiting and hating on flash.

the fuck did i do to bait flash lol, i have one post saying like "flash can't win with such a lead" something along those lines rofl. the rest was cheering for maru which any fan of a player would do.

and flash fans far outnumber prime fans lol


fine, maybe your post wasn't meant to be baiting (it did suspiciously look like one with the 'heh'). flash fans outnumbering prime fans doesn't mean that the minority can't be more condescending/insulting in their posts, especially today
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 29 2013 10:16 GMT
#2317
On September 29 2013 19:15 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 19:15 Shellshock wrote:
First 1 normal WCS day LR thread to break 100 pages since the OSL finals I believe. hooray for group of death!

i didn't even realize lol

Dodgin and Opter should bait flash fans more, keeps esports alive.
Glorious SEA doto
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
September 29 2013 10:16 GMT
#2318
On September 29 2013 19:12 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 19:01 fluidin wrote:
On September 29 2013 18:59 Dodgin wrote:
On September 29 2013 18:59 Heartland wrote:
Please Flash fans, it's okay to be upset/angry/irritated after your fave player loses but stop dressing it up as this loss killing sc2/showing everything wrong with sc2/losing all fans or whatever.



this is why flash fans are insufferable



nowhere near as insufferable as you. and I don't do all of the above btw. check my post history. I'm fairly new to TL/SC and yet you people are easily the most insufferable posters. Look in the mirror yourself


You find me annoying fine, but at least I've done something for this community other than bitching about sc2 being dead and flash losing in LR threads.

the more good stuff you do the more shit you're allowed? Well that's downright dumb. Sure being around for 2 years with 35k posts total is a huge impact, but have some respect for someone who followed bw and loved flash for years literally. Thank you.
Michael Probu
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33629 Posts
September 29 2013 10:17 GMT
#2319
Maru is pretty hardcore
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
September 29 2013 10:18 GMT
#2320
On September 29 2013 19:16 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 19:15 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On September 29 2013 19:15 Shellshock wrote:
First 1 normal WCS day LR thread to break 100 pages since the OSL finals I believe. hooray for group of death!

i didn't even realize lol

Dodgin and Opter should bait flash fans more, keeps esports alive.


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