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On September 29 2013 19:23 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 19:21 tozi wrote:On September 29 2013 19:18 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 19:16 juvenal wrote:On September 29 2013 19:12 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 19:01 fluidin wrote:On September 29 2013 18:59 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 18:59 Heartland wrote:
Please Flash fans, it's okay to be upset/angry/irritated after your fave player loses but stop dressing it up as this loss killing sc2/showing everything wrong with sc2/losing all fans or whatever. this is why flash fans are insufferable nowhere near as insufferable as you. and I don't do all of the above btw. check my post history. I'm fairly new to TL/SC and yet you people are easily the most insufferable posters. Look in the mirror yourself You find me annoying fine, but at least I've done something for this community other than bitching about sc2 being dead and flash losing in LR threads. the more good stuff you do the more shit you're allowed? Well that's downright dumb. Sure being around for 2 years with 35k posts total is a huge impact, but have some respect for someone who followed bw and loved flash for years literally. Thank you. I have respect for most decent human beings including nearly all members of this site, not sure where you're getting a lack of respect from. I dislike Flash as a player, not a person, I've disliked Flash as a player since Brood War. The constant overbearing Flash hype makes me sick so I celebrate when he loses. Is it obnoxious? Good, It's supposed to be. Why don't you keep your hate to yourself then? Wouldn't that be better for everybody or do you feel the need to express it over the internet to prove some kind of point? Expressing your opinion is the point of a forum.
different people express them differently. some hold back bits of their opinion, some don't. some don't even post the same thing as their true opinions.
just sayin
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Flash fans so bad at handling smack talk. I guess SKT T1 fans have been too nice in the past, but welcome to the jungle of SC2.
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On September 29 2013 19:24 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 19:23 opterown wrote:On September 29 2013 18:19 Scarecrow wrote:On September 29 2013 18:18 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 29 2013 18:17 Azera wrote:
flash throwing away games, now left the booth to re-evaluate his sc2 career. Tbh, he would make more money from streaming bw on afreeca, than his current salary most likely are you high? apparently sea or someone is making 10k per month, not shabby. if flash's salary is not 6 figures USD, sea's making more From what I've heard afreeca balloons pay pretty well, there is some crazy money from balloon donations iirc movie got an absurd amount once.
Apparently Bisu said on his Afreeca stream (source is some random poster on TL though) that SC2 progamer salaries dropped so much that it is more profitable to stream BW on Afreeca then being SC2 progamer.
(Although, imo more likely is that HIS salary dropped so much and it is only more profitable for HIM (and few others, like JangBi and Sea) because they are what they are...)
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On September 29 2013 19:26 tozi wrote:
Honestly, look back through the thread, the hate outnumbers the extreme flash-fan comments by a lot.
yes but that's because flash lost; i'd expect it to be the other way around when flash wins. it's just how it works, if your side loses you shut up/don't post.
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On September 29 2013 19:27 Kasaraki wrote:
Flash fans so bad at handling smack talk. I guess SKT T1 fans have been too nice in the past, but welcome to the jungle of SC2.
You'd think after their constant wars with bisu/jaedong/stork fans they'd be tougher. I guess they got soft.
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On September 29 2013 19:26 fluidin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 19:23 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 29 2013 19:21 tozi wrote:On September 29 2013 19:18 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 19:16 juvenal wrote:On September 29 2013 19:12 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 19:01 fluidin wrote:On September 29 2013 18:59 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 18:59 Heartland wrote:
Please Flash fans, it's okay to be upset/angry/irritated after your fave player loses but stop dressing it up as this loss killing sc2/showing everything wrong with sc2/losing all fans or whatever. this is why flash fans are insufferable nowhere near as insufferable as you. and I don't do all of the above btw. check my post history. I'm fairly new to TL/SC and yet you people are easily the most insufferable posters. Look in the mirror yourself You find me annoying fine, but at least I've done something for this community other than bitching about sc2 being dead and flash losing in LR threads. the more good stuff you do the more shit you're allowed? Well that's downright dumb. Sure being around for 2 years with 35k posts total is a huge impact, but have some respect for someone who followed bw and loved flash for years literally. Thank you. I have respect for most decent human beings including nearly all members of this site, not sure where you're getting a lack of respect from. I dislike Flash as a player, not a person, I've disliked Flash as a player since Brood War. The constant overbearing Flash hype makes me sick so I celebrate when he loses. Is it obnoxious? Good, It's supposed to be. Why don't you keep your hate to yourself then? Wouldn't that be better for everybody or do you feel the need to express it over the internet to prove some kind of point? Expressing your opinion is the point of a forum. different people express them differently. some hold back bits of their opinion, some don't. some don't even post the same thing as their true opinions. just sayin
Is that suppossed to mean something ?
By the way, another one happy Flash lost, not only because i think he has been very overhyped on hots, but because this threads are such a blast to read thanks to the fanboys 
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On September 29 2013 19:26 tozi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 19:22 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 19:21 tozi wrote:On September 29 2013 19:18 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 19:16 juvenal wrote:On September 29 2013 19:12 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 19:01 fluidin wrote:On September 29 2013 18:59 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 18:59 Heartland wrote:
Please Flash fans, it's okay to be upset/angry/irritated after your fave player loses but stop dressing it up as this loss killing sc2/showing everything wrong with sc2/losing all fans or whatever. this is why flash fans are insufferable nowhere near as insufferable as you. and I don't do all of the above btw. check my post history. I'm fairly new to TL/SC and yet you people are easily the most insufferable posters. Look in the mirror yourself You find me annoying fine, but at least I've done something for this community other than bitching about sc2 being dead and flash losing in LR threads. the more good stuff you do the more shit you're allowed? Well that's downright dumb. Sure being around for 2 years with 35k posts total is a huge impact, but have some respect for someone who followed bw and loved flash for years literally. Thank you. I have respect for most decent human beings including nearly all members of this site, not sure where you're getting a lack of respect from. I dislike Flash as a player, not a person, I've disliked Flash as a player since Brood War. The constant overbearing Flash hype makes me sick so I celebrate when he loses. Is it obnoxious? Good, It's supposed to be. Why don't you keep your hate to yourself then? Wouldn't that be better for everybody or do you feel the need to express it over the internet to prove some kind of point? Why don't the overbearing Flash fans keep it to themselves? It's a forum for a reason. My personal view is anti-fans are the worst kind of fans. Gloating when a player (especially one as iconic and important to the entirety of fucking esports) loses is just fucked up. It's one thing to dislike a player and his fans and its another to be a dick. Honestly, look back through the thread, the hate outnumbers the extreme flash-fan comments by a lot.
such is banter on the internet. just hoping that the more overbearing anti-fans would get banned too
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On September 29 2013 19:26 theMagus wrote:am i really the only one who thought flash was overall amazing today? his tvp improved tenfold from what i've seen from him before the matches. i don't want him to quit sc2 yet, i wanna see how this plays out
Trust me, I 1000% agree. I honestly have watched every single one of his games and thought that his TVP has improved incredibly. Rock solid defense from harassment and better decision making in general.
Everyone is stuck either too pissed/sad flash lost or hating to recognize it though 
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On September 29 2013 19:26 theMagus wrote:am i really the only one who thought flash was overall amazing today? his tvp improved tenfold from what i've seen from him before the matches. i don't want him to quit sc2 yet, i wanna see how this plays out
For the most part I thought everyone looked pretty good except for those two really lopsided losira games. One of the better days of GSL in recent memory as a whole
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On September 29 2013 19:27 Kasaraki wrote:
Flash fans so bad at handling smack talk. I guess SKT T1 fans have been too nice in the past, but welcome to the jungle of SC2.
These guys must have never been to the BW forums, this is nothing in comparison to the old KT vs SKT fan wars. I've bathed in the waters of the Brood War forum and it made me into this. It's entirely expected for veterans.
I'll put on my SKT tag for a few days in celebration of Parting's glorious victory over the KT infidel.
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On September 29 2013 19:28 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 19:26 fluidin wrote:On September 29 2013 19:23 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 29 2013 19:21 tozi wrote:On September 29 2013 19:18 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 19:16 juvenal wrote:On September 29 2013 19:12 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 19:01 fluidin wrote:On September 29 2013 18:59 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 18:59 Heartland wrote:
Please Flash fans, it's okay to be upset/angry/irritated after your fave player loses but stop dressing it up as this loss killing sc2/showing everything wrong with sc2/losing all fans or whatever. this is why flash fans are insufferable nowhere near as insufferable as you. and I don't do all of the above btw. check my post history. I'm fairly new to TL/SC and yet you people are easily the most insufferable posters. Look in the mirror yourself You find me annoying fine, but at least I've done something for this community other than bitching about sc2 being dead and flash losing in LR threads. the more good stuff you do the more shit you're allowed? Well that's downright dumb. Sure being around for 2 years with 35k posts total is a huge impact, but have some respect for someone who followed bw and loved flash for years literally. Thank you. I have respect for most decent human beings including nearly all members of this site, not sure where you're getting a lack of respect from. I dislike Flash as a player, not a person, I've disliked Flash as a player since Brood War. The constant overbearing Flash hype makes me sick so I celebrate when he loses. Is it obnoxious? Good, It's supposed to be. Why don't you keep your hate to yourself then? Wouldn't that be better for everybody or do you feel the need to express it over the internet to prove some kind of point? Expressing your opinion is the point of a forum. different people express them differently. some hold back bits of their opinion, some don't. some don't even post the same thing as their true opinions. just sayin Is that suppossed to mean something ? By the way, another one happy Flash lost, not only because i think he has been very overhyped on hots, but because this threads are such a blast to read thanks to the fanboys
it means what you think it should 
(yes, it could mean nothing too, if you choose to view it that way)
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On September 29 2013 19:28 fluidin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 19:26 tozi wrote:On September 29 2013 19:22 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 19:21 tozi wrote:On September 29 2013 19:18 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 19:16 juvenal wrote:On September 29 2013 19:12 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 19:01 fluidin wrote:On September 29 2013 18:59 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 18:59 Heartland wrote:
Please Flash fans, it's okay to be upset/angry/irritated after your fave player loses but stop dressing it up as this loss killing sc2/showing everything wrong with sc2/losing all fans or whatever. this is why flash fans are insufferable nowhere near as insufferable as you. and I don't do all of the above btw. check my post history. I'm fairly new to TL/SC and yet you people are easily the most insufferable posters. Look in the mirror yourself You find me annoying fine, but at least I've done something for this community other than bitching about sc2 being dead and flash losing in LR threads. the more good stuff you do the more shit you're allowed? Well that's downright dumb. Sure being around for 2 years with 35k posts total is a huge impact, but have some respect for someone who followed bw and loved flash for years literally. Thank you. I have respect for most decent human beings including nearly all members of this site, not sure where you're getting a lack of respect from. I dislike Flash as a player, not a person, I've disliked Flash as a player since Brood War. The constant overbearing Flash hype makes me sick so I celebrate when he loses. Is it obnoxious? Good, It's supposed to be. Why don't you keep your hate to yourself then? Wouldn't that be better for everybody or do you feel the need to express it over the internet to prove some kind of point? Why don't the overbearing Flash fans keep it to themselves? It's a forum for a reason. My personal view is anti-fans are the worst kind of fans. Gloating when a player (especially one as iconic and important to the entirety of fucking esports) loses is just fucked up. It's one thing to dislike a player and his fans and its another to be a dick. Honestly, look back through the thread, the hate outnumbers the extreme flash-fan comments by a lot. such is banter on the internet. just hoping that the more overbearing anti-fans would get banned too
Dunno, these same people crying now, lots of them were incredibly vocal and disrespectful in the "OMG KESPA ELEPHANT wank wank" phase (never getting banned for it) when it looked like to them that their superior BW idols would completely take over the scene. It obviously never happened, and yeh.
Maru> Flash. gg's
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On September 29 2013 19:30 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 19:27 Kasaraki wrote:
Flash fans so bad at handling smack talk. I guess SKT T1 fans have been too nice in the past, but welcome to the jungle of SC2. These guys must have never been to the BW forums, this is nothing in comparison to the old KT vs SKT fan wars. I've bathed in the waters of the Brood War forum and it made me into this. It's entirely expected for veterans. I'll put on my SKT tag for a few days in celebration of Parting's glorious victory over the KT infidel.
I think i've been spoilt by how strict some threads in the general forums are (granted, those pertain to real world issues, but I'm sure SC is akin to that for some fans here LOL)
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On September 29 2013 19:13 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 19:10 PoP wrote:On September 29 2013 19:05 TheDwf wrote:
Surely you should have realized by now that this kind of domination is virtually impossible in 2013 SC2 anyway? I still think it is. I don't see a reason why it wouldn't be, other than maybe players need the necessary amount of motivation and exposure to get to that level and the scene is not allowing that anymore. The game doesn't allow it at all.
Why not? For instance, why not one year from now with a more stable meta?
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On September 29 2013 19:26 tozi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 19:22 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 19:21 tozi wrote:On September 29 2013 19:18 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 19:16 juvenal wrote:On September 29 2013 19:12 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 19:01 fluidin wrote:On September 29 2013 18:59 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2013 18:59 Heartland wrote:
Please Flash fans, it's okay to be upset/angry/irritated after your fave player loses but stop dressing it up as this loss killing sc2/showing everything wrong with sc2/losing all fans or whatever. this is why flash fans are insufferable nowhere near as insufferable as you. and I don't do all of the above btw. check my post history. I'm fairly new to TL/SC and yet you people are easily the most insufferable posters. Look in the mirror yourself You find me annoying fine, but at least I've done something for this community other than bitching about sc2 being dead and flash losing in LR threads. the more good stuff you do the more shit you're allowed? Well that's downright dumb. Sure being around for 2 years with 35k posts total is a huge impact, but have some respect for someone who followed bw and loved flash for years literally. Thank you. I have respect for most decent human beings including nearly all members of this site, not sure where you're getting a lack of respect from. I dislike Flash as a player, not a person, I've disliked Flash as a player since Brood War. The constant overbearing Flash hype makes me sick so I celebrate when he loses. Is it obnoxious? Good, It's supposed to be. Why don't you keep your hate to yourself then? Wouldn't that be better for everybody or do you feel the need to express it over the internet to prove some kind of point? Why don't the overbearing Flash fans keep it to themselves? It's a forum for a reason. My personal view is anti-fans are the worst kind of fans. Gloating when a player (especially one as iconic and important to the entirety of fucking esports) loses is just fucked up. It's one thing to dislike a player and his fans and its another to be a dick. Honestly, look back through the thread, the hate outnumbers the extreme flash-fan comments by a lot.
I have to agree with that part. Cheering for a player is cool, cheering against somebody is ok, but celebrating someone's loss openly just sucks. People always think I'm joking when I say the dead sheep needs to be banned from TL, but I'm serious, an img to celebrate when a legend like Jaedong loses is not ok imo.
This has nothing to do with this discussion or Dodgin, just wanted to throw that out there^^.
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On September 29 2013 19:28 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 19:26 tozi wrote:
Honestly, look back through the thread, the hate outnumbers the extreme flash-fan comments by a lot. yes but that's because flash lost; i'd expect it to be the other way around when flash wins. it's just how it works, if your side loses you shut up/don't post.
Thats not my point. My point is that most flash fans aren't that extreme. Only a small group of extremist flash fans make a whole group of people backlash against flash/flash fans in general.
If flash wins, people will always be like, "sooo good" "flash is awesome" "flash is god" but that's not what pisses people off. what pisses people off is when people correlate flash losing as "sc2 is dying" or "sc2 ez game"
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On September 29 2013 19:26 theMagus wrote:am i really the only one who thought flash was overall amazing today? his tvp improved tenfold from what i've seen from him before the matches. i don't want him to quit sc2 yet, i wanna see how this plays out
nah he did play freaking great, save for a few key decisions he made late on that really cost him, he just couldn't close out the games when he put himself in a decent advantage in deciding games
which is why this kinda hurt to see. but his TvP looked totally boss especially (look ma, no SCV pulls needed)... his TvZ looked more robust and solid (totally knocked Kangho off-kilter with his mech openings in the first two games of that set, eventually bopping him with biomine), and his TvT... well...that not that good unfortunately, except for the SkyTerran transition which was pretty damn sick after he fell a bit behind in game 2 v Maru. that whole Maru series was just crazy and back and forth, but Maru definitely made the smarter positional plays with drops and tank battles throughout.
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On September 29 2013 19:30 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 19:27 Kasaraki wrote:
Flash fans so bad at handling smack talk. I guess SKT T1 fans have been too nice in the past, but welcome to the jungle of SC2. These guys must have never been to the BW forums, this is nothing in comparison to the old KT vs SKT fan wars. I've bathed in the waters of the Brood War forum and it made me into this. It's entirely expected for veterans. I'll put on my SKT tag for a few days in celebration of Parting's glorious victory over the KT infidel.
haha how oldschool are you, old kt vs skt wars as in last ever proleague? Don't pretend to know shit, bw was already quite dead and peaceful atm.
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lol flash, afreeca awaits !
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Welp wanted Flash to advance, but I guess it isnt meant to happen.
Good thing is a guarenteed Terran in the ro4.
Oh and Naniwa one place closer to dropping out of Blizzcon is nice too.
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