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On September 27 2013 19:57 Fjodorov wrote:
Though in this particular game the medivac count wasnt huge, in most TvZ's it is and fungals just seem to tickle the army when 12-15 medivacs are healing. It will still take some time for zergs to use fungal ONLY for the lock and not throw around fungals like in WoL.
lol good zergs absolutely use fungal for the lock with infestor/ultra/bane. that's definitely a thing that happens. the problem is not that the best zergs in the world are "throwing around fungals," it's that the infestor transition is very very very hard to do without just dying to bio pushes
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I think he didn't go for Infestors, because he barely had an army most of the time. He had a few Ultras, but Ultra/Infestor without a high enough Ling/Bling count (And he was really lacking these units most of the time)... don't know how well this works.
Mkight be wrong, but whatever :-P
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
Go Jjakji, halfway there!
Not gonna watch though, HerO vs Maru in SWL semifinals about to start
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On September 27 2013 19:57 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 19:53 samurai80 wrote:On September 27 2013 19:52 felisconcolori wrote:On September 27 2013 19:51 samurai80 wrote:On September 27 2013 19:49 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 19:48 samurai80 wrote:On September 27 2013 19:46 graNite wrote:On September 27 2013 19:44 Amestir wrote:
How the fuck is Soo winning engagments? I think jjakjji is too marine heavy. marines are really bad vs ultras Yeah, Jjakji building marines/mines vs Ultras is bad, as well soO should make some infestors instead of additional mutas imo. What they are doing is perfectly fine. You should not comment on a match-up you don't know. You should not comment my comments. Umm. Commenting comments is kindof what a forum is built on. Just saying. Without that, we're all just shouting messages down a wind tunnel thinking that maybe people heard us, without any feedback or knowing that what we're shouting is complete and utter BS. I know but this guy is really sticking on my posts a bit too much. Well, that happens sometimes. I hate to think how many replies of mine are at slowbacontron, but that's just because we were conversating in the same thread on the same topic. If he was going completely off on you unrelated to the actual content of what you were saying, I'd probably agree with you. Then again, on the topic of what you were both discussing - my zerg is at best silver so I have no idea. It was fun to watch, even if the early use of widow mines made me cringe from a terran standpoint - all those marines wasted because he didn't kite back a little farther. + Show Spoiler +Of course, not being a pro - maybe it was intentional. I have no idea.
you don't like talking to me D:
T_T
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On September 27 2013 19:58 Kasaraki wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 19:56 robson1 wrote:
songs are getting more and more intolerable from season to season. They should just play kpop in the breaks.
No way.
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Face it. The best reason Soo should have gotten infestors is because we haven't heard Tasteless talk about sick fungals in far too long.
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On September 27 2013 19:57 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 19:55 Conut wrote:On September 27 2013 19:53 samurai80 wrote:On September 27 2013 19:52 felisconcolori wrote:On September 27 2013 19:51 samurai80 wrote:On September 27 2013 19:49 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 19:48 samurai80 wrote:On September 27 2013 19:46 graNite wrote:On September 27 2013 19:44 Amestir wrote:
How the fuck is Soo winning engagments? I think jjakjji is too marine heavy. marines are really bad vs ultras Yeah, Jjakji building marines/mines vs Ultras is bad, as well soO should make some infestors instead of additional mutas imo. What they are doing is perfectly fine. You should not comment on a match-up you don't know. You should not comment my comments. Umm. Commenting comments is kindof what a forum is built on. Just saying. Without that, we're all just shouting messages down a wind tunnel thinking that maybe people heard us, without any feedback or knowing that what we're shouting is complete and utter BS. I know but this guy is really sticking on my posts a bit too much. plus you were actually right in that situation, he really shouldn't have tried to get muta's and ultras once his muta ball was reduced to 9 he should have just kept that small muta count for drops and made infestors to help in the big engages. Why? Do you have any pro replay/VoD of that being an effective strategy?
lol. No strategic opinion can be given without pro VoD of it working now. It's becoming more and more ridiculous. Only Top 100 GM players should be allowed to say anything. Only KR GM of course.
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On September 27 2013 19:57 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 19:55 Conut wrote:On September 27 2013 19:53 samurai80 wrote:On September 27 2013 19:52 felisconcolori wrote:On September 27 2013 19:51 samurai80 wrote:On September 27 2013 19:49 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 19:48 samurai80 wrote:On September 27 2013 19:46 graNite wrote:On September 27 2013 19:44 Amestir wrote:
How the fuck is Soo winning engagments? I think jjakjji is too marine heavy. marines are really bad vs ultras Yeah, Jjakji building marines/mines vs Ultras is bad, as well soO should make some infestors instead of additional mutas imo. What they are doing is perfectly fine. You should not comment on a match-up you don't know. You should not comment my comments. Umm. Commenting comments is kindof what a forum is built on. Just saying. Without that, we're all just shouting messages down a wind tunnel thinking that maybe people heard us, without any feedback or knowing that what we're shouting is complete and utter BS. I know but this guy is really sticking on my posts a bit too much. plus you were actually right in that situation, he really shouldn't have tried to get muta's and ultras once his muta ball was reduced to 9 he should have just kept that small muta count for drops and made infestors to help in the big engages. Why? Do you have any pro replay/VoD of that being an effective strategy?
Are you really going to say that trying to remake a muta ball and an ultralisk based army is the right thing to do in low econ? You are calling people out on how much they know in the matchup but i am getting a vibe you really don't know that much from a zerg standpoint, he had ZERO chance to make another muta ball and actually have good fights, and saying anything other then that is just ludicrous.
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That last game was incredible to watch but the casters made it so boring and text book.
Go go Jjakji! I believe!
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On September 27 2013 19:55 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 19:53 samurai80 wrote:On September 27 2013 19:52 felisconcolori wrote:On September 27 2013 19:51 samurai80 wrote:On September 27 2013 19:49 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 19:48 samurai80 wrote:On September 27 2013 19:46 graNite wrote:On September 27 2013 19:44 Amestir wrote:
How the fuck is Soo winning engagments? I think jjakjji is too marine heavy. marines are really bad vs ultras Yeah, Jjakji building marines/mines vs Ultras is bad, as well soO should make some infestors instead of additional mutas imo. What they are doing is perfectly fine. You should not comment on a match-up you don't know. You should not comment my comments. Umm. Commenting comments is kindof what a forum is built on. Just saying. Without that, we're all just shouting messages down a wind tunnel thinking that maybe people heard us, without any feedback or knowing that what we're shouting is complete and utter BS. I know but this guy is really sticking on my posts a bit too much. Well at least in this instance "this guy" was right... widow mine marine is exactly the right thing to build. if you build to many marauders, the lings just overwhelm. Also a switch back to mutas will insta kill you.
I think I was right at the exact time I posted this, he lost one engage because he had too many marines at that particular time. After that he had some more marauders and it got better and he won the game. Bad was oversaid though I agree.
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On September 27 2013 19:59 slowbacontron wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 27 2013 19:57 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 19:53 samurai80 wrote:On September 27 2013 19:52 felisconcolori wrote:On September 27 2013 19:51 samurai80 wrote:On September 27 2013 19:49 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 19:48 samurai80 wrote:On September 27 2013 19:46 graNite wrote:On September 27 2013 19:44 Amestir wrote:
How the fuck is Soo winning engagments? I think jjakjji is too marine heavy. marines are really bad vs ultras Yeah, Jjakji building marines/mines vs Ultras is bad, as well soO should make some infestors instead of additional mutas imo. What they are doing is perfectly fine. You should not comment on a match-up you don't know. You should not comment my comments. Umm. Commenting comments is kindof what a forum is built on. Just saying. Without that, we're all just shouting messages down a wind tunnel thinking that maybe people heard us, without any feedback or knowing that what we're shouting is complete and utter BS. I know but this guy is really sticking on my posts a bit too much. Well, that happens sometimes. I hate to think how many replies of mine are at slowbacontron, but that's just because we were conversating in the same thread on the same topic. If he was going completely off on you unrelated to the actual content of what you were saying, I'd probably agree with you. Then again, on the topic of what you were both discussing - my zerg is at best silver so I have no idea. It was fun to watch, even if the early use of widow mines made me cringe from a terran standpoint - all those marines wasted because he didn't kite back a little farther. + Show Spoiler +Of course, not being a pro - maybe it was intentional. I have no idea. you don't like talking to me D: T_T
I haven't made that decision yet  I'm thinking of reply count is all.
Besides, baby, don't worry... I'm just moving slow. <.<
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Innovation wearing a cape. He's trying to dress like a human. :o But obviously not doing it quite right.
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when I think of infestor/ultra in TvZ I think of that one game in WCS America on Bel'Shir Vestige, Heart vs Suppy. Suppy looked dead, heart had 6k minerals banked and 5 bases. Suppy rolls over Heart's army with SICK™ Fungals, slaughters it and somehow makes it to the production before Heart can rebuild anything.
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On September 27 2013 20:01 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 19:55 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 19:53 samurai80 wrote:On September 27 2013 19:52 felisconcolori wrote:On September 27 2013 19:51 samurai80 wrote:On September 27 2013 19:49 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 19:48 samurai80 wrote:On September 27 2013 19:46 graNite wrote:On September 27 2013 19:44 Amestir wrote:
How the fuck is Soo winning engagments? I think jjakjji is too marine heavy. marines are really bad vs ultras Yeah, Jjakji building marines/mines vs Ultras is bad, as well soO should make some infestors instead of additional mutas imo. What they are doing is perfectly fine. You should not comment on a match-up you don't know. You should not comment my comments. Umm. Commenting comments is kindof what a forum is built on. Just saying. Without that, we're all just shouting messages down a wind tunnel thinking that maybe people heard us, without any feedback or knowing that what we're shouting is complete and utter BS. I know but this guy is really sticking on my posts a bit too much. Well at least in this instance "this guy" was right... widow mine marine is exactly the right thing to build. if you build to many marauders, the lings just overwhelm. Also a switch back to mutas will insta kill you. I think I was right at the exact time I posted this, he lost one engage because he had too many marines at that particular time. After that he had some more marauders and it got better and he won the game. Bad was oversaid though I agree.
Fair enough, he might have lacked some marauders at one, two points. I was just confused by the statment that marine/mine/medivac is the wrong thing to do against ling ultra
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United States97277 Posts
Just to repeat in case someone missed it and wants to give it a go, I'm not able to LR these next few games but I'll still be around to do the OP and polls and stuff. If you want to try out LRing feel free to do it
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On September 27 2013 19:58 Kasaraki wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 19:56 robson1 wrote:
songs are getting more and more intolerable from season to season. They should just play kpop in the breaks.
I hate + Show Spoiler +haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate
Bring back GGG baby song, or better, bring back ROAR!
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On September 27 2013 20:02 Dodgin wrote:
when I think of infestor/ultra in TvZ I think of that one game in WCS America on Bel'Shir Vestige, Heart vs Suppy. Suppy looked dead, heart had 6k minerals banked and 5 bases. Suppy rolls over Heart's army with SICK™ Fungals, slaughters it and somehow makes it to the production before Heart can rebuild anything.
Haha, Heart threw this game so bad. He had like +90 supply by midgame.
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On September 27 2013 20:03 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 19:58 Kasaraki wrote:On September 27 2013 19:56 robson1 wrote:
songs are getting more and more intolerable from season to season. They should just play kpop in the breaks. I hate + Show Spoiler +haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate K-pop with all my heart, yet i have to completely agree. This emocore girl rock is just horrendeous... + eventhough i don't like K-pop, atleast (for me) it has a certain foreigner (not the SC foreigner) charm to it. Bring back GGG baby song, or better, bring back ROAR!
Bring back. NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA NANANA NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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