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Balance whine ends now (2:03 KST). Bans will be issued (I can't believe we have to do this again...)
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
September 05 2013 16:07 GMT
#21
On September 06 2013 00:57 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
i feel like noname and showtime gonna advance, not that i ve the worst liquidbet in history of liquidbets when i do them thou


I feel like Mvp and Vortix are going to advance.

Btw, what's up with Liquibet? I miss it
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Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
September 05 2013 16:07 GMT
#22
Gogog Jürgen make europe proud! \m/
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 05 2013 16:08 GMT
#23
Lol, new maps vetoed right away? Hahahaha
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10307 Posts
September 05 2013 16:08 GMT
#24
On September 06 2013 00:57 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
i feel like noname and showtime gonna advance, not that i ve the worst liquidbet in history of liquidbets when i do them thou


High risk, high reward, i like your style
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
September 05 2013 16:08 GMT
#25
Must be so disheartening to the map makers to always have their maps vetoed...
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NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
September 05 2013 16:09 GMT
#26
Yup, they need to get rid of map vetoing
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 05 2013 16:09 GMT
#27
On September 06 2013 01:08 Larkin wrote:
Must be so disheartening to the map makers to always have their maps vetoed...

Mapmaker that thinks that his map will be played on by pro gamer is naive mapmaker, no less. Unless you are on team CruX and GOMTV/OGN/SPL is using your maps.
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Odawg27
Profile Joined January 2011
United States191 Posts
September 05 2013 16:09 GMT
#28
Yeah is the new map vetoing because they're so new or because they're just not good? Anyone know?
And then.... Trumpets
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 05 2013 16:10 GMT
#29
On September 06 2013 01:09 Odawg27 wrote:
Yeah is the new map vetoing because they're so new or because they're just not good? Anyone know?

Both. I do not see zerg that may like Yeonsu :D
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
September 05 2013 16:11 GMT
#30
On September 06 2013 01:08 lolfail9001 wrote:
Lol, new maps vetoed right away? Hahahaha


And some blame the tournaments for stagnating map pools.
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
September 05 2013 16:11 GMT
#31
On September 06 2013 01:11 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 01:08 lolfail9001 wrote:
Lol, new maps vetoed right away? Hahahaha


And some blame the tournaments for stagnating map pools.


Yeah, players are really the source of conservatism when it comes to maps
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
September 05 2013 16:12 GMT
#32
New maps are pretty much always vetoed in the early rounds until they've figured out how the maps actually play out.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 05 2013 16:13 GMT
#33
On September 06 2013 01:12 Derez wrote:
New maps are pretty much always vetoed in the early rounds until they've figured out how the maps actually play out.

Or they just keep away from playing 'em for as much as possible, like Mvp and Belshir vestige in season 1 :D
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Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
September 05 2013 16:13 GMT
#34
Prediction from the Mvp Fan Club:

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2013 07:20 Entirety wrote:

Opening Match
Mvp vs. ShoWTimE

Mvp's TvP: 68%
ShoWTimE's PvT: 58%
Head to Head Record: 0-0

         (1796) Mvp  0-0  ShoWTimE (1331)    
---------------------------------------------
48.10% 2-0 0-2 9.39%
29.48% 2-1 1-2 13.03%
---------------------------------------------
77.58% 22.42%

Median outcome: Mvp 2-1 ShoWTimE

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

Wow, even diehard Mvp fans have to feel slightly worried here. Mvp lost to both Grubby and HasuObs, looking very shaky against Protoss. On the other hand, ShoWTimE has a pretty decent PvT win-ratio, sporting a 7-1 record in his last 8 series (including a victory over LucifroN). Then, add in the Korea-Europe wall of lag, and you might wonder if an upset might occur here. Certainly, Mvp has to prepare well, for ShoWTimE is merely one of the many great Protoss players in WCS EU Season 3. This match will be a suitable litmus test - if Mvp loses to ShoWTimE, then his chances at the S3 championship start looking to be quite slim indeed.

Other Matches

Mvp's TvT: 59%
Noname's TvT: 65%
Head to Head Record: 0-0

       (1837) Mvp  0-0  Noname (1137)    
-----------------------------------------
59.78% 2-0 0-2 5.14%
27.12% 2-1 1-2 7.95%
-----------------------------------------
86.90% 13.10%

Median outcome: Mvp 2-0 Noname

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

Looking at Noname's TvT record, you would expect him to be a beast in that match-up. Upon closer inspection, he has not faced many notable players and none of his opponents were on the level of Mvp, leading Aligulac to heavily favor Mvp. There is a big unknown factor: Mvp has not played a TvT since his 2-3 loss to INnoVation! In other words, we have no idea of his current TvT skill, and Mvp may not have practiced that match-up. Despite this, Mvp's TvT has always remained respectable, even while his other match-ups may falter. Simply relying on his fundamental mechanics should be enough to pull him through this match without significant difficulties.

Mvp's TvZ: 66%
VortiX's ZvT: 59%
Head to Head Record: 3-1 (75%)

       (1869) Mvp  0-0  VortiX (1684)    
-----------------------------------------
33.82% 2-0 0-2 17.51%
28.30% 2-1 1-2 20.37%
-----------------------------------------
62.12% 37.88%

Median outcome: Mvp 2-1 VortiX

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

VortiX is not to be underestimated by any means. If Mvp is not careful, VortiX easily has the skill to knock him out of the group. The advantage that Mvp has is the match-up. Mvp's TvT is unknown, his TvP is shaky, but Mvp's TvZ has actually looked pretty good recently, especially against foreign Zergs. Most recently, Mvp mixed in Banshee harass, some Hellbat/Marauder timings, and Widow Mine pushes and crushed through DIMAGA without too much trouble. If a weakened Mvp shows up, then VortiX can run over Mvp... but if the Mvp we expect shows up, VortiX will simply be another foreign Zerg out of many who will fall to the Terran King.

Overall Outlook
                  Top 2      1st      2nd      3rd      4th    
---------------------------------------------------------------
Mvp 85.99% 51.42% 34.58% 10.14% 3.87%
VortiX 75.91% 36.69% 39.22% 17.27% 6.82%
ShoWTimE 28.09% 8.91% 19.19% 41.30% 30.61%
Noname 10.00% 2.99% 7.02% 31.29% 58.71%

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

This is Mvp's chance to become the first player to win two seasons in one year. The disadvantages: he has to prepare for every race, and the almighty wall of lag. The advantages: he managed to grab a relatively easy group, and he possesses the Mvp factor.

Even with his disappointing exit from Season 2, Mvp still managed to overcome the Ro32 and make it to the Ro16. In this group, Mvp is a solid favorite, but it's actually likely that Mvp won't emerge unscathed. Perhaps a surprise upset against ShoWTimE (showcasing his TvP woes) or a disappointing loss to VortiX may give Mvp fans miniature heart attacks, but Mvp should pull through in the end.

Predictions
Mvp 1-2 ShoWTimE (**the upset!**)
Noname 0-2 VortiX
ShoWTimE 1-2 VortiX
Mvp 2-0 Noname
ShoWTimE 0-2 Mvp

VortiX and Mvp advance!


Damn it, I was really hoping that Mvp vs. ShoWTimE would be first... I gotta leave in an hour!
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
September 05 2013 16:14 GMT
#35
I think having the new maps on the ladder is a great step forward, and soon enough we will hopefully have someone abuse the fact that other players don't practice on them. Feels like something Nestea/Mvp would do!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-05 16:14:39
September 05 2013 16:14 GMT
#36
On September 06 2013 01:08 Larkin wrote:
Must be so disheartening to the map makers to always have their maps vetoed...


Humans dislike change, but also manage to complain when things don't change. Silly progamers
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
September 05 2013 16:15 GMT
#37
Come on Mvp!
kiss kiss fall in love
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
September 05 2013 16:16 GMT
#38
On September 06 2013 01:14 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 01:08 Larkin wrote:
Must be so disheartening to the map makers to always have their maps vetoed...


Humans dislike change, but also manage to complain when things don't change. Silly progamers


I really think that doing map veto's days before the actual group play would make games better with more thought-out games and strategies. Maybe we'd see newer maps as well more.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7997 Posts
September 05 2013 16:16 GMT
#39
and thats why every terran in the world builds hellions
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 05 2013 16:17 GMT
#40
On September 06 2013 01:16 Tsubbi wrote:
and thats why every terran in the world builds hellions

And walls all the ramps.
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