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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
August 26 2013 05:15 GMT
#6201
On August 26 2013 14:14 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 13:38 painkilla wrote:
On August 26 2013 13:04 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On August 26 2013 12:37 babylon wrote:
What's your definition of a champion if not a player that has won a championship (or multiple)? .-.


Someone who has won a Korean championship.


So Bomber is not a champion?




neither is Innovation :O

neither is Parting
"Expert" mods4ever.com
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 26 2013 05:54 GMT
#6202
On August 26 2013 14:15 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 14:14 Dodgin wrote:
On August 26 2013 13:38 painkilla wrote:
On August 26 2013 13:04 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On August 26 2013 12:37 babylon wrote:
What's your definition of a champion if not a player that has won a championship (or multiple)? .-.


Someone who has won a Korean championship.


So Bomber is not a champion?




neither is Innovation :O

neither is Parting


nor Leenock qq
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negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
August 26 2013 05:57 GMT
#6203
so are we at the point where any code S level terran is unbeatable in TvZ? basically every game is push the zerg back until 3/3 hits and then crush the 4th and cruise to victory. I haven't really seen any zergs able to do anything about it.
Maleta
Profile Joined September 2012
Chile150 Posts
August 26 2013 05:58 GMT
#6204
On August 26 2013 14:54 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 14:15 Die4Ever wrote:
On August 26 2013 14:14 Dodgin wrote:
On August 26 2013 13:38 painkilla wrote:
On August 26 2013 13:04 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On August 26 2013 12:37 babylon wrote:
What's your definition of a champion if not a player that has won a championship (or multiple)? .-.


Someone who has won a Korean championship.


So Bomber is not a champion?




neither is Innovation :O

neither is Parting


nor Leenock qq


nor HerO
Forward + Down + Downforward + Forward + Punch (Any) // F + QF + HP/MP/LP.... SHORYUKEN!!!
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
August 26 2013 06:08 GMT
#6205
Nor is anyone besides Soulkey and Maru.
jarod
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania766 Posts
August 26 2013 06:29 GMT
#6206
I really like JD but he didnt deserverd 2nd place .. he only played Toss until the finals, he had an easy road.
Bomber did extremly good, so happy for him. First was a surprize for me... especially for beating Polt in 2 BO3.
My heart tells me that top 3 in WCS was this.
1.Bomber, 2.Taeja, 3.Scarllet, 4.Jaedong, 5.First, 6.Naniwa, 7.Alive 8.Rain ... this is only for this tournament.. don`t jump on me.
Maru | Life | herO
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
August 26 2013 06:39 GMT
#6207
On August 26 2013 14:57 negativedge wrote:
so are we at the point where any code S level terran is unbeatable in TvZ? basically every game is push the zerg back until 3/3 hits and then crush the 4th and cruise to victory. I haven't really seen any zergs able to do anything about it.

I wouldn't look to this series for balance, Bomber was keeping up in supply with Jaedong even before any engagements happen when Zerg is supposed to be ahead in supply, also Bomber was usually getting a lead before he even got 3/3.
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 26 2013 06:44 GMT
#6208
On August 26 2013 15:39 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 14:57 negativedge wrote:
so are we at the point where any code S level terran is unbeatable in TvZ? basically every game is push the zerg back until 3/3 hits and then crush the 4th and cruise to victory. I haven't really seen any zergs able to do anything about it.

I wouldn't look to this series for balance, Bomber was keeping up in supply with Jaedong even before any engagements happen when Zerg is supposed to be ahead in supply, also Bomber was usually getting a lead before he even got 3/3.


That's just standard bomber though, guy has been maxing out at 15 mins in TvZ since WoL
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 26 2013 06:48 GMT
#6209
On August 26 2013 08:58 BisuDagger wrote:
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On August 26 2013 08:49 babylon wrote:
Blast, now I'm like 1/4 on the posters I was wondering about.

I never would've imagined such posts and trash talk coming from such a friendly looking guy.


Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 08:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 26 2013 08:49 babylon wrote:
Blast, now I'm like 1/4 on the posters I was wondering about.

I never would've imagined such posts and trash talk coming from such a friendly looking guy.

BisuDagger is a brood war fan and followed it for a long time and he is friendly too That all you need to know.


Thanks guys. I feel like we can move forward now that we all know that I am too a guy. <3

I'm pretty disappointed that your girlfriend picture isn't bisu.

Talking about this thread for reference
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406562
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
August 26 2013 06:50 GMT
#6210
Bisudagger never struck me as particularly unfriendly. The opposite in fact.
maru lover forever
gn1k
Profile Joined July 2010
United States441 Posts
August 26 2013 07:06 GMT
#6211
Sad to see another finals where Jaedong gets 4-0ed and looks helpless. Would have liked to see something different then ling bane muta every game. Maybe some infestors. Is JD that bad at ZvT or is it an unbeatable style when executed at that level?
Creator of Street Empires and APM TD
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-26 07:08:07
August 26 2013 07:06 GMT
#6212
On August 26 2013 15:29 jarod wrote:
I really like JD but he didnt deserverd 2nd place .. he only played Toss until the finals, he had an easy road.
Bomber did extremly good, so happy for him. First was a surprize for me... especially for beating Polt in 2 BO3.
My heart tells me that top 3 in WCS was this.
1.Bomber, 2.Taeja, 3.Scarllet, 4.Jaedong, 5.First, 6.Naniwa, 7.Alive 8.Rain ... this is only for this tournament.. don`t jump on me.

Rain, MC, Naniwa and First is an easy road? They're all REALLY solid (even Naniwa, haters gonna hate). Given he had an incredibly bad reputation for the matchup, stomping all of them shows even more how much he deserves it. There was none of this "he slaughtered foreigners at dreamhacks, and WCS NA is WCS NA". These were all top caliber players.

edit - You have your opinion so I'm likely not going to convince you otherwise. I just disagree, is all. Carry on!
Refer to my post.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
August 26 2013 07:07 GMT
#6213
holy motherfucking SHIT fuck YEAAAAAAAH BOMBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i watched the VODs of the semis last night and the finals just now and i'm so fucking happy right now. today is gonna be a good day. Bomber is a fucking monster. it looks like one of my top 3 favorite players is about to take the spot another one used to hold (Mvp). perfect game sense, great series planning, huge variety of builds, high mental strength, and he actually has better macro than Mvp when he won fucking everything.

holy fuck i feel so good right now.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-26 07:18:25
August 26 2013 07:17 GMT
#6214
On August 26 2013 15:29 jarod wrote:
I really like JD but he didnt deserverd 2nd place .. he only played Toss until the finals, he had an easy road.
Bomber did extremly good, so happy for him. First was a surprize for me... especially for beating Polt in 2 BO3.
My heart tells me that top 3 in WCS was this.
1.Bomber, 2.Taeja, 3.Scarllet, 4.Jaedong, 5.First, 6.Naniwa, 7.Alive 8.Rain ... this is only for this tournament.. don`t jump on me.


A week ago someone like you had stated "Omg JD in an P only group, he can't do this its his weakest matchup"..and now cry about him overcoming his "weakest matchup" this fast and getting through to the finals with beating some of the best PvZ's out there o.O?
His loss vs. Bomber was sad, but TvZ is very abusable since Innovation showed his "how to" several times against top Zergs...but u can't shit on JD for getting through to the finals this way...no one in hell (that only has access to his televised matches from the last Tournaments) would've given JD a proper chance for the finals if you told them who he's going to face.

...people these days...allways bitching about everything...
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 26 2013 07:29 GMT
#6215
On August 26 2013 16:17 ArcadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 15:29 jarod wrote:
I really like JD but he didnt deserverd 2nd place .. he only played Toss until the finals, he had an easy road.
Bomber did extremly good, so happy for him. First was a surprize for me... especially for beating Polt in 2 BO3.
My heart tells me that top 3 in WCS was this.
1.Bomber, 2.Taeja, 3.Scarllet, 4.Jaedong, 5.First, 6.Naniwa, 7.Alive 8.Rain ... this is only for this tournament.. don`t jump on me.


A week ago someone like you had stated "Omg JD in an P only group, he can't do this its his weakest matchup"..and now cry about him overcoming his "weakest matchup" this fast and getting through to the finals with beating some of the best PvZ's out there o.O?
His loss vs. Bomber was sad, but TvZ is very abusable since Innovation showed his "how to" several times against top Zergs...but u can't shit on JD for getting through to the finals this way...no one in hell (that only has access to his televised matches from the last Tournaments) would've given JD a proper chance for the finals if you told them who he's going to face.

...people these days...allways bitching about everything...

I predicted about 3 months ago that JD would overcome his troubles vs protoss and win this tournament. I got one of them right :p
NKB
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom608 Posts
August 26 2013 07:45 GMT
#6216
Going to have to watch the vods later for the finals. Glad to see that Bomber has finally won something, but upset that Jaedong has once again got 2nd place, he seems to get stuck there.
Some times you just gotta wish...
ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
August 26 2013 07:46 GMT
#6217
On August 26 2013 16:29 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 16:17 ArcadeR wrote:
On August 26 2013 15:29 jarod wrote:
I really like JD but he didnt deserverd 2nd place .. he only played Toss until the finals, he had an easy road.
Bomber did extremly good, so happy for him. First was a surprize for me... especially for beating Polt in 2 BO3.
My heart tells me that top 3 in WCS was this.
1.Bomber, 2.Taeja, 3.Scarllet, 4.Jaedong, 5.First, 6.Naniwa, 7.Alive 8.Rain ... this is only for this tournament.. don`t jump on me.


A week ago someone like you had stated "Omg JD in an P only group, he can't do this its his weakest matchup"..and now cry about him overcoming his "weakest matchup" this fast and getting through to the finals with beating some of the best PvZ's out there o.O?
His loss vs. Bomber was sad, but TvZ is very abusable since Innovation showed his "how to" several times against top Zergs...but u can't shit on JD for getting through to the finals this way...no one in hell (that only has access to his televised matches from the last Tournaments) would've given JD a proper chance for the finals if you told them who he's going to face.

...people these days...allways bitching about everything...

I predicted about 3 months ago that JD would overcome his troubles vs protoss and win this tournament. I got one of them right :p


Are you a wizard ? Obv he'd overcome his troubles when he simply puts enough time in his practice and knows where his faults are...
00higgo
Profile Joined May 2013
Australia119 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-26 07:51:50
August 26 2013 07:50 GMT
#6218
[QUOTE]On August 26 2013 16:29 bo1b wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 26 2013 16:17 ArcadeR wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 26 2013 15:29 jarod wrote:
I really like JD but he didnt deserverd 2nd place .. he only played Toss until the finals, he had an easy road.
Bomber did extremly good, so happy for him. First was a surprize for me... especially for beating Polt in 2 BO3.
My heart tells me that top 3 in WCS was this.
1.Bomber, 2.Taeja, 3.Scarllet, 4.Jaedong, 5.First, 6.Naniwa, 7.Alive 8.Rain ... this is only for this tournament.. don`t jump on me.[/QUOTE]

A week ago someone like you had stated "Omg JD in an P only group, he can't do this its his weakest matchup"..and now cry about him overcoming his "weakest matchup" this fast and getting through to the finals with beating some of the best PvZ's out there o.O?
His loss vs. Bomber was sad, but TvZ is very abusable since Innovation showed his "how to" several times against top Zergs...but u can't shit on JD for getting through to the finals this way...no one in hell (that only has access to his televised matches from the last Tournaments) would've given JD a proper chance for the finals if you told them who he's going to face.

...people these days...allways bitching about everything...


stop bitching about people bitching
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 26 2013 07:53 GMT
#6219
On August 26 2013 15:29 jarod wrote:
I really like JD but he didnt deserverd 2nd place .. he only played Toss until the finals, he had an easy road.
Bomber did extremly good, so happy for him. First was a surprize for me... especially for beating Polt in 2 BO3.
My heart tells me that top 3 in WCS was this.
1.Bomber, 2.Taeja, 3.Scarllet, 4.Jaedong, 5.First, 6.Naniwa, 7.Alive 8.Rain ... this is only for this tournament.. don`t jump on me.


And Scarlet only had to play vT was well which is her best match up. There is always bracket luck within tournaments.
jarod
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania766 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-26 07:54:09
August 26 2013 07:53 GMT
#6220
On August 26 2013 16:17 ArcadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 15:29 jarod wrote:
I really like JD but he didnt deserverd 2nd place .. he only played Toss until the finals, he had an easy road.
Bomber did extremly good, so happy for him. First was a surprize for me... especially for beating Polt in 2 BO3.
My heart tells me that top 3 in WCS was this.
1.Bomber, 2.Taeja, 3.Scarllet, 4.Jaedong, 5.First, 6.Naniwa, 7.Alive 8.Rain ... this is only for this tournament.. don`t jump on me.


A week ago someone like you had stated "Omg JD in an P only group, he can't do this its his weakest matchup"..and now cry about him overcoming his "weakest matchup" this fast and getting through to the finals with beating some of the best PvZ's out there o.O?
His loss vs. Bomber was sad, but TvZ is very abusable since Innovation showed his "how to" several times against top Zergs...but u can't shit on JD for getting through to the finals this way...no one in hell (that only has access to his televised matches from the last Tournaments) would've given JD a proper chance for the finals if you told them who he's going to face.

...people these days...allways bitching about everything...


Well i like JD.. don`t get me wrong... and yes.. this is really impressive that he overcomed hes ZvP. And all the players he faced are top protoss and for sure was not easy... but still it is only one matchup that he won the whole tournament.
Bombers beat Grubby, First, Scarllet, Taeja, Jaedong a more mixed lineup, you cannot argue that bomber had a better performance.
Taeja.. cmon.. the games vs Innovation were really impresive, DuckDeok is WCS EU champ, defeat Rain and almost beat Bomber. Still better then JD performance from my point of view.
And Scarllet, she defeated MMA (not that good) and Maru (WCS KR champion) and had a close series with Bomber (champ). Only bad game was against Alive.
Yes.. you can switch JD with Scarllet since she also played Terrans only.
Anyhow I really liked the whole WCS and all the players were great.
Maru | Life | herO
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