EPT[WCG KR] Finals and Third Place Match 2013 - Page 30
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Lock0n
United Kingdom184 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On August 18 2013 19:58 ReMinD_ wrote: Perfect play? 10 Zerglings kill his Orbital Command. That's good play? Bunch of Banelings walking into his mineral line and he doesn't even react? How come we didn't witness this brilliant play versus Parting yesterday? Oh, that's right. You can't just keep producing and rallying your units to one point when playing versus Protoss. I don't want to take anything away from Innovation. He is a brilliant player, but so is Soulkey. And the results lately don't show that because match-up is too much in favor of the Terran. In last 6 matches, it's 6-0 for Innovation. Do people genuinely believe Innovation is so much better than Soulkey? In the very heavy favored WoL it was 4-0 for INnoVation. Yes I do believe INnoVation is above SoulKey in terms of skill  | ||
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Fuzzmosis
Canada752 Posts
On August 18 2013 20:03 Lock0n wrote: So Soulkey did a roach bane all in both games, and Zergs are still complaining about balance? Yep. | ||
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Marklar667
47 Posts
On August 18 2013 19:58 ReMinD_ wrote: I don't want to take anything away from Innovation. He is a brilliant player, but so is Soulkey. And the results lately don't show that because match-up is too much in favor of the Terran. In last 6 matches, it's 6-0 for Innovation. Do people genuinely believe Innovation is so much better than Soulkey? Well , i agree that 6-0 isn't nowhere near a represantation of how these two are matched. But if you look at most of the matches they could've gone to Soulkey if not of some critical mistakes or split second poor decisions. | ||
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p14c
Vatican City State431 Posts
On August 18 2013 19:55 Swisslink wrote: ... and he's probably still one of the top 3 Zerg in ZvT. He's not even close. He's so bad now that even foreigners beat him. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On August 18 2013 20:00 purgerinho wrote: true, game went three years behind instead of going forward.. people just want to see every race playing at same level, it is more fun and when it is not the case (like now) then people whine because they know before game starts how will it look.. like today, we all knew that SK would play as a beast and that 1 tier terran units will be enough to keep him down and kill him in the end Yep, I'm a terran player and I found myself cheering for soulkey that game. I'd like it to be more competitive than it currently is, but people here are taking the current balance and saying garbage like "innovation doesnt impress me, soulkey outplayed him hard and still got rolled" "innovation sucks lol loses command center to zergling runby" etc. Innovation was putting up awesome performances in tvz in WoL at the height of broodlord infestor imbalance. He's always displayed pure brilliance at this matchup. As a terran player I felt he played fantastically well in this series, and very few terran players could play like this. We saw MarineKing get slaughtered by soulkey the other day after all. It's just annoying whine, but I guess emotions get the best of people. Zerg is struggling hard, and people are mad. | ||
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pylonsalad
Canada649 Posts
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M.R. McThundercrotch
United States265 Posts
On August 18 2013 19:46 BBV wrote: need lurker to stop this crap Hydralisks at Hatchery and Lurkers at Lair. Then ditch Roaches and bring in the Hunterling at Lair, trading the mount/stun on its jump attack for small area-of-effect damage when it lands (AoE probably on an upgrade). Earlier anti air keeps the Medivac count down and Lurker defense helps Zergs last until Hive. Hunterling jumps can help against microing bio and it is a cliff-scaling, harass unit and that is actually interesting. Those are just some ideas that sound good to me, but I'm no expert or anything... | ||
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Thrillz
4313 Posts
On August 18 2013 20:04 p14c wrote: He's not even close. He's so bad now that even foreigners beat him. His ZvZ is just so unreliable and quite awful atm. He other MUs are still OK. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 18 2013 20:06 Thrillz wrote: His ZvZ is just so unreliable and quite awful atm. He other MUs are still OK. Ironical stat: Both him and JD are 3-2 against Scarlett. Life's ZvZ confirmed JvZ /sarcasm | ||
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ottosec
505 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 18 2013 20:04 p14c wrote: He's not even close. He's so bad now that even foreigners beat him. No. | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7979 Posts
On August 18 2013 20:04 NarutO wrote: In the very heavy favored WoL it was 4-0 for INnoVation. Yes I do believe INnoVation is above SoulKey in terms of skill and in the very balanced and more skill intensive bw soulkey is 4:1 against innovation, this wont get us anywhere your "very heavy favored wol" was actually in average a 55% winrate favoring zerg which is pretty similiar to what hots has been in favor of t (way more in the last month) until now so its pretty difficult to say who is the better player overall, they are just the best t and z atm | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On August 18 2013 19:58 ReMinD_ wrote: Perfect play? 10 Zerglings kill his Orbital Command. That's good play? Bunch of Banelings walking into his mineral line and he doesn't even react? Maybe because your whole army dies to AoE if you look one second away at the wrong time? Try to play Terran at a high level and you'll see how this kind of mistake is virtually forced sooner or later. | ||
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massivez
Belgium653 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 18 2013 20:09 TheDwf wrote: Maybe because your whole army dies to AoE if you look one second away at the wrong time? Try to play Terran at a high level and you'll see how this kind of mistake is virtually forced sooner or later. Damn, i just realized that Innovation managed to lose 4th to lings AND lose his army to banelings :D | ||
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DrPandaPhD
5188 Posts
On August 18 2013 20:09 TheDwf wrote: Maybe because your whole army dies to AoE if you look one second away at the wrong time? Try to play Terran at a high level and you'll see how this kind of mistake is virtually forced sooner or later. Your whole army dies to AoE? Wow that sounds oddly familiar. It's a shame your units doesn't die when they do it though. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 18 2013 20:09 TheDwf wrote: Maybe because your whole army dies to AoE if you look one second away at the wrong time? Try to play Terran at a high level and you'll see how this kind of mistake is virtually forced sooner or later. He's just giving examples of how Innovation didn't play perfectly, which is true because as of right now no one plays perfectly although Innovation is closest. So yes the argument that Innovation is playing perfectly is flawed, it's that he's playing slightly better than Soulkey. I think these games alone show how Soulkey is very close to Innovation, and I think he's getting into Soulkey's head lately as SK isn't even scouting. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 18 2013 20:11 massivez wrote: People forget that Innovation got his ass handed to him by Maru and Parting, he's no God in anyway. We are talking about InnovationVsZ. It has been shown that Innovation's other match-ups are fragile. Also, wtf: Innovation won 2-1 against SKT's b-teamer. B-teamers confirmed new bonjwas. | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
On August 18 2013 20:09 Tsubbi wrote: and in the very balanced and more skill intensive bw soulkey is 4:1 against innovation, this wont get us anywhere True statement. Also, as far as BW balance is concerned, it is considered that T>Z. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Sick play from Soulkey in that game. If only StarCraft 2 had Defilers and Lurkers. Soulkey is such a good player, it's a shame to see him lose games in StarCraft 2 despite playing his heart out. | ||
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