KeeN vs. Pigbaby Avenge vs. Ruin KeeN vs. Leenock Ruin vs. Pigbaby Avenge vs. Leenock Ruin vs. KeeN Pigbaby vs. Leenock Avenge vs. KeeN Ruin vs. Leenock Avenge vs. Pigbaby
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (11)
44%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (6)
24%
★★★ - Good game (3)
12%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (3)
12%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (2)
8%
25 total votes
Your vote: Recommend KeeN vs Pigbaby?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (10)
56%
★★★ - Good game (6)
33%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
6%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
6%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
18 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Avenge vs Ruin?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
32%
★★★ - Good game (5)
26%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (2)
11%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
19 total votes
Your vote: Recommend KeeN vs Leenock?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Ruin vs Pigbaby?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
25%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
13%
★★★ - Good game (1)
6%
16 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Avenge vs Leenock?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
13%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
13%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
16 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Ruin vs KeeN?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7)
29%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (5)
21%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (4)
17%
★★★ - Good game (4)
17%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (4)
17%
24 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Pigbaby vs Leenock?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
18%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Avenge vs KeeN?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
9%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Ruin vs Leenock?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
2%
58 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Avenge vs Pigbaby?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
4%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
4%
24 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Ruin vs KeeN?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to d (5)
36%
★★★ - Good game (4)
29%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
14%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
14%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
7%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend KeeN vs Avenge?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to d (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Ruin vs Avenge?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): KeeN and Pigbaby (Vote): KeeN and Avenge (Vote): KeeN and Ruin (Vote): KeeN and Leenock (Vote): Pigbaby and Avenge (Vote): Pigbaby and Ruin (Vote): Pigbaby and Leenock (Vote): Avenge and Ruin (Vote): Avenge and Leenock (Vote): Ruin and Leenock
Poll: Who do you want to make it out of this group?
KeeN and Leenock (10)
38%
Ruin and Leenock (4)
15%
Pigbaby and Ruin (3)
12%
Pigbaby and Leenock (3)
12%
KeeN and Pigbaby (2)
8%
Pigbaby and Avenge (2)
8%
KeeN and Avenge (1)
4%
Avenge and Ruin (1)
4%
KeeN and Ruin (0)
0%
Avenge and Leenock (0)
0%
26 total votes
Your vote: Who do you want to make it out of this group?
(Vote): KeeN and Pigbaby (Vote): KeeN and Avenge (Vote): KeeN and Ruin (Vote): KeeN and Leenock (Vote): Pigbaby and Avenge (Vote): Pigbaby and Ruin (Vote): Pigbaby and Leenock (Vote): Avenge and Ruin (Vote): Avenge and Leenock (Vote): Ruin and Leenock
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (8)
11%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (5)
7%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (3)
4%
74 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Mvp vs Ret Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (8)
11%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (5)
7%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (3)
4%
74 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Mvp vs Ret Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
The 5 stars one seems a tad congested, but for the difference in makes in actually indicating if a VOD is worth watching or not, I think its much better.
On August 08 2013 17:12 Pandemona wrote: Why...randomly put back to 09:30 GMT (+00:00)? Not that im complaining as i can now watch but wut? xD
It didn't change it was meant to be later then the other days :o
I meant why has it changed compared to the other days. I wanted to watch the other groups and i couldn't as 04:00 GMT (+00:00) is stupid time for me ;_;
This mean the rest of the UP/Down groups are 09:30 GMT (+00:00)?
On August 08 2013 17:12 Pandemona wrote: Why...randomly put back to 09:30 GMT (+00:00)? Not that im complaining as i can now watch but wut? xD
It didn't change it was meant to be later then the other days :o
I meant why has it changed compared to the other days. I wanted to watch the other groups and i couldn't as 04:00 GMT (+00:00) is stupid time for me ;_;
This mean the rest of the UP/Down groups are 09:30 GMT (+00:00)?
Tuesday it was moved because of 5th place placement matches. I have no idea about yesterday. Maybe they needed the studio for some WoT or Dota2 stuff. Actually that's probably the case for MWF.
On August 08 2013 17:12 Pandemona wrote: Why...randomly put back to 09:30 GMT (+00:00)? Not that im complaining as i can now watch but wut? xD
It didn't change it was meant to be later then the other days :o
I meant why has it changed compared to the other days. I wanted to watch the other groups and i couldn't as 04:00 GMT (+00:00) is stupid time for me ;_;
This mean the rest of the UP/Down groups are 09:30 GMT (+00:00)?
Tuesday it was moved because of 5th place placement matches. I have no idea about yesterday. Maybe they needed the studio for some WoT or Dota2 stuff. Actually that's probably the case for MWF.
No info on next week yet afaik
Group D not tomorrow then? This the last UP/DOWN of this week?
On August 08 2013 17:12 Pandemona wrote: Why...randomly put back to 09:30 GMT (+00:00)? Not that im complaining as i can now watch but wut? xD
It didn't change it was meant to be later then the other days :o
I meant why has it changed compared to the other days. I wanted to watch the other groups and i couldn't as 04:00 GMT (+00:00) is stupid time for me ;_;
This mean the rest of the UP/Down groups are 09:30 GMT (+00:00)?
Tuesday it was moved because of 5th place placement matches. I have no idea about yesterday. Maybe they needed the studio for some WoT or Dota2 stuff. Actually that's probably the case for MWF.
No info on next week yet afaik
Group D not tomorrow then? This the last UP/DOWN of this week?
Aug 13th and 15th will be at 6pm KST. 14th will be 1pm KST according to gomtv website.
On August 08 2013 17:12 Pandemona wrote: Why...randomly put back to 09:30 GMT (+00:00)? Not that im complaining as i can now watch but wut? xD
It didn't change it was meant to be later then the other days :o
I meant why has it changed compared to the other days. I wanted to watch the other groups and i couldn't as 04:00 GMT (+00:00) is stupid time for me ;_;
This mean the rest of the UP/Down groups are 09:30 GMT (+00:00)?
Tuesday it was moved because of 5th place placement matches. I have no idea about yesterday. Maybe they needed the studio for some WoT or Dota2 stuff. Actually that's probably the case for MWF.
No info on next week yet afaik
Group D not tomorrow then? This the last UP/DOWN of this week?
It could take a few days to get everything ready for the finals (packed up and moved etc)
On August 08 2013 17:12 Pandemona wrote: Why...randomly put back to 09:30 GMT (+00:00)? Not that im complaining as i can now watch but wut? xD
It didn't change it was meant to be later then the other days :o
I meant why has it changed compared to the other days. I wanted to watch the other groups and i couldn't as 04:00 GMT (+00:00) is stupid time for me ;_;
This mean the rest of the UP/Down groups are 09:30 GMT (+00:00)?
Tuesday it was moved because of 5th place placement matches. I have no idea about yesterday. Maybe they needed the studio for some WoT or Dota2 stuff. Actually that's probably the case for MWF.
No info on next week yet afaik
Group D not tomorrow then? This the last UP/DOWN of this week?
On August 08 2013 17:12 Pandemona wrote: Why...randomly put back to 09:30 GMT (+00:00)? Not that im complaining as i can now watch but wut? xD
It didn't change it was meant to be later then the other days :o
I meant why has it changed compared to the other days. I wanted to watch the other groups and i couldn't as 04:00 GMT (+00:00) is stupid time for me ;_;
This mean the rest of the UP/Down groups are 09:30 GMT (+00:00)?
Tuesday it was moved because of 5th place placement matches. I have no idea about yesterday. Maybe they needed the studio for some WoT or Dota2 stuff. Actually that's probably the case for MWF.
No info on next week yet afaik
Group D not tomorrow then? This the last UP/DOWN of this week?
It could take a few days to get everything ready for the finals (packed up and moved etc)
Who the hell makes 4x4 bingo boards, totally lame. Do it again and make it 5x5.
I can't even remember the last time I was awake for the pre-show K-pop. A good break from the "All Gold Everything" I've had on repeat for god knows why.
On August 08 2013 18:00 Gorlin wrote: "Basically connect 4", hahaha. So we can't fill in a square unless all the squares below it are already filled in then?
If one of the things occurs, you may X it out.
So if Keen beats Leenock, X it out. If Leenock beats Keen, do the other.
I keep repeating Pig Baby in my head in Arnold's voice. Like in the skit on MadTV where Will Sasso playing Arnold says Clone Baby(which I watched today.)
On August 08 2013 18:05 PhoenixHope wrote: I keep repeating Pig Baby in my head in Arnold's voice. Like in the skit on MadTV where Will Sasso playing Arnold says Clone Baby(which I watched today.)
On August 08 2013 18:05 PhoenixHope wrote: I keep repeating Pig Baby in my head in Arnold's voice. Like in the skit on MadTV where Will Sasso playing Arnold says Clone Baby(which I watched today.)
On August 08 2013 18:05 PhoenixHope wrote: I keep repeating Pig Baby in my head in Arnold's voice. Like in the skit on MadTV where Will Sasso playing Arnold says Clone Baby(which I watched today.)
I don't understand why Khaldor (or any other caster) does mention that Pigbaby's response to the reaper was good. Its complete standard, if you skip the zealot you will need to pull a probe or lose 1 but you can easily get MSC and/or stalker out with a complete standard build that requires no "reaction".
The case that First completely fell apart vs it just shows that you can react very poorly, but your normal build should cover proxy reaper just fine.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (11)
44%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (6)
24%
★★★ - Good game (3)
12%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (3)
12%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (2)
8%
25 total votes
Your vote: Recommend KeeN vs Pigbaby?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Wasn't close at all lol. PigBaby could of lost about 10 armies to Keen, but PigBaby had his 3 base econ to fall back on and his 10 games of zealot warp ins and better upgrades xD Lets not pretend that was anything but Keen losing after his Reaper proxy did nothing
On August 08 2013 18:17 Heartland wrote: Wow. That was unnecessarily close.
No it wasn't.
..Yes, it was : P Pigbaby was close to throwing the game. Sure, maybe Pigbaby would have been able to lose the third and still win, but it was still unnecessarily close.
pff Keen has been around for so long, I wna see this guy succeed and get to code S again man, he deserves it. And he's got some neat victory celebrations.
It would have been close if the battle had occurred somewhere closer to Pigbaby's bases. He needed two warp in cycles to beat Keen's army assuming no storm. But he had storm, so it wasn't close.
On August 08 2013 18:14 NarutO wrote: I don't understand why Khaldor (or any other caster) does mention that Pigbaby's response to the reaper was good. Its complete standard, if you skip the zealot you will need to pull a probe or lose 1 but you can easily get MSC and/or stalker out with a complete standard build that requires no "reaction".
The case that First completely fell apart vs it just shows that you can react very poorly, but your normal build should cover proxy reaper just fine.
Because it was the proper reaction and we have an audience that consists of players of all skill levels.more surprised that you are one of the nitpick who doesn't understand that
On August 08 2013 18:17 Heartland wrote: Wow. That was unnecessarily close.
No it wasn't.
..Yes, it was : P Pigbaby was close to throwing the game. Sure, maybe Pigbaby would have been able to lose the third and still win, but it was still unnecessarily close.
No it wasn't... Pigbaby was hallucinating those Colossus because he knew he won and was mocking KeeN. It didn't matter what KeeN did at that point, he had nothing to stop any Colossus or any future warp ins, considering Pigbaby was already with a 4th. He even stormed his own Zealots and basically a-moved engaged and still it didn't matter.
Plus he probably had MSC at home.
125 supply vs 75 is not close in a TvP when the Terran has no more ghosts/vikings, and an entirely injured army.
On August 08 2013 18:14 NarutO wrote: I don't understand why Khaldor (or any other caster) does mention that Pigbaby's response to the reaper was good. Its complete standard, if you skip the zealot you will need to pull a probe or lose 1 but you can easily get MSC and/or stalker out with a complete standard build that requires no "reaction".
The case that First completely fell apart vs it just shows that you can react very poorly, but your normal build should cover proxy reaper just fine.
Because it was the proper reaction and we have an audience that consists of players of all skill levels.more surprised that you are one of the nitpick who doesn't understand that
Yes I guess. Sorry about that, I seem to sometimes forget that there are players out there that are casual :-) T_T don't be so mad~~~
On August 08 2013 18:14 NarutO wrote: I don't understand why Khaldor (or any other caster) does mention that Pigbaby's response to the reaper was good. Its complete standard, if you skip the zealot you will need to pull a probe or lose 1 but you can easily get MSC and/or stalker out with a complete standard build that requires no "reaction".
The case that First completely fell apart vs it just shows that you can react very poorly, but your normal build should cover proxy reaper just fine.
Because it was the proper reaction and we have an audience that consists of players of all skill levels.more surprised that you are one of the nitpick who doesn't understand that
Well, it's standard because it's good, idd don't need to nitpick so hard.
On August 08 2013 18:14 NarutO wrote: I don't understand why Khaldor (or any other caster) does mention that Pigbaby's response to the reaper was good. Its complete standard, if you skip the zealot you will need to pull a probe or lose 1 but you can easily get MSC and/or stalker out with a complete standard build that requires no "reaction".
The case that First completely fell apart vs it just shows that you can react very poorly, but your normal build should cover proxy reaper just fine.
Because it was the proper reaction and we have an audience that consists of players of all skill levels.more surprised that you are one of the nitpick who doesn't understand that
Well, it's standard because it's good, idd don't need to nitpick so hard.
I already replied to him, no need for so much hate. And Khaldor very well knows that I think very highly of him and the content he provides.
On August 08 2013 18:17 Heartland wrote: Wow. That was unnecessarily close.
No it wasn't.
..Yes, it was : P Pigbaby was close to throwing the game. Sure, maybe Pigbaby would have been able to lose the third and still win, but it was still unnecessarily close.
No it wasn't... Pigbaby was hallucinating those Colossus because he knew he won and was mocking KeeN. It didn't matter what KeeN did at that point, he had nothing to stop any Colossus or any future warp ins, considering Pigbaby was already with a 4th. He even stormed his own Zealots and basically a-moved engaged and still it didn't matter.
Plus he probably had MSC at home.
125 supply vs 75 is not close in a TvP when the Terran has no more ghosts/vikings, and an entirely injured army.
On August 08 2013 18:14 NarutO wrote: I don't understand why Khaldor (or any other caster) does mention that Pigbaby's response to the reaper was good. Its complete standard, if you skip the zealot you will need to pull a probe or lose 1 but you can easily get MSC and/or stalker out with a complete standard build that requires no "reaction".
The case that First completely fell apart vs it just shows that you can react very poorly, but your normal build should cover proxy reaper just fine.
Because it was the proper reaction and we have an audience that consists of players of all skill levels.more surprised that you are one of the nitpick who doesn't understand that
Well, it's standard because it's good, idd don't need to nitpick so hard.
I already replied to him, no need for so much hate. And Khaldor very well knows that I think very highly of him and the content he provides.
Didn't mean to hate on you in any way. Just wanted to point out that standard and good aren't mutually exclusive mate ^^
as the time passes pvp in sc2 starts to be as boring as it was in BW.. static, without any witty strats... like tvt before hellbat nerf.. i can't describe how i hate pvp, awful to watch and all the pvp games starting to last 15+ minutes - torchure!
On August 08 2013 18:29 purgerinho wrote: as the time passes pvp in sc2 starts to be as boring as it was in BW.. static, without any witty strats... like tvt before hellbat nerf.. i can't describe how i hate pvp, awful to watch and all the pvp games starting to last 15+ minutes - torchure!
PvP in Broodwar was often nailbaitingly close and exciting and that comes from me as Terran. Also PvP can be good (Grubby vs HasuObs) unfortunately the majority of the time it seems to not be
On August 08 2013 18:29 purgerinho wrote: as the time passes pvp in sc2 starts to be as boring as it was in BW.. static, without any witty strats... like tvt before hellbat nerf.. i can't describe how i hate pvp, awful to watch and all the pvp games starting to last 15+ minutes - torchure!
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (10)
56%
★★★ - Good game (6)
33%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
6%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
6%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
18 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Avenge vs Ruin?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On August 08 2013 18:29 purgerinho wrote: as the time passes pvp in sc2 starts to be as boring as it was in BW.. static, without any witty strats... like tvt before hellbat nerf.. i can't describe how i hate pvp, awful to watch and all the pvp games starting to last 15+ minutes - torchure!
you must have not seen one-base carrier in BW PvP
of course i did... majority of the games were very boring.. but it is just my opinion, protoss is very boring race for me, to play it, to watch it so PvP is twice as boring for me :p but someone hates zvz or tvt....
On August 08 2013 18:36 Heartland wrote: The bingo makes me want to make a bingo based off of the idiosyncracies and habits of Wolf/Khaldor or whatever other casters.
how about you do one for Redeye/Kaelaris/Apollo/Adebisi for today's WCS EU group?
On August 08 2013 18:36 Heartland wrote: The bingo makes me want to make a bingo based off of the idiosyncracies and habits of Wolf/Khaldor or whatever other casters.
how about you do one for Redeye/Kaelaris/Apollo/Adebisi for today's WCS EU group?
I won't be home to enjoy it though. Maybe I'll do it for the OSL grand finals.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
32%
★★★ - Good game (5)
26%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (2)
11%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
19 total votes
Your vote: Recommend KeeN vs Leenock?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Wolf currently has two spots that are null-and-void now since Leenock lost + Pigbaby/Keen went 19 minutes
also I'm 99.99% sure Keen killed over 20. He killed like 5 just by taking out failed hatch remakes by Leenock, and he hammered the fourth a few times and dropped in the main.
On August 08 2013 18:54 Waxangel wrote: hey khaldor was summoned
Just think it's funny to have certain people ALWAYS complain, no matter what you say. Once guys like that have an opinion about you they stick with it, no matter what you do.it's getting old
On August 08 2013 18:54 Waxangel wrote: hey khaldor was summoned
Just think it's funny to have certain people ALWAYS complain, no matter what you say. Once guys like that have an opinion about you they stick with it, no matter what you do.it's getting old
Better stop worrying about it cuz it's not gonna stop, this is the internet man. Just care about a select few opinions from people you trust/value.
On August 08 2013 18:58 DrPandaPhD wrote: Hoping Leenock will increase the ZvP average in Korea. But 35% is very difficult and it's Bo1 which protoss excel at
If both Leenock and Life is out of Code S I would lose like all interest in GSL >_>
On August 08 2013 18:54 Waxangel wrote: hey khaldor was summoned
Just think it's funny to have certain people ALWAYS complain, no matter what you say. Once guys like that have an opinion about you they stick with it, no matter what you do.it's getting old
you dont seem overly biased khaldor, and even if you are, you hide it well enough, and youre smart enough to already know all that im saying anyway. and even if you did come off as biased, i personally dont mind, we need more ppl giving zerg love...
On August 08 2013 19:02 Heartland wrote: Jin Air Greenwings sounds like it's some delicious appetizer in hamburger joints.
Reminds me I haven't had breakfast yet.
my breakfast consisted of the usual 2 liter of coffee and a bunch of cigarettes. Gotta get some real food soon though :D
'Holy shit' is very fitting then, I guess.
I don't know man, my body is so used to this already And yes, I smoke cigarettes. I once saw a friend eat a cigarette because of a bet and he got a bad fever and was sick for a day
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Ruin vs Pigbaby?
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On August 08 2013 19:04 DarkLordOlli wrote: I had a redbull for breakfast
Back in college I used to do this every single time I had a sprinting test or football match early in the morning. Worked wonders!
I feel pretty bad lol, I haven't eaten since lunch yesterday, only had a beer last night and a redbull today
Living the healthiest of lives
SMOKE SOME METH
how do u do that >_< i get hungry if i dont eat a meal every ~4 hrs, need snacks in between too...n i not even fat...r u rlly skinny? oO
I'm weird, I get really hungry at night but I'm always tired so I fall asleep anyways. Then in the morning I have no appetite whatsoever. I do eat a lot for lunch though. Usually I have fruits or a salad or something in the evening though, just none yesterday
If Leenocks gets knocked out he probably is the most unlucky player in Korea. Losing a GSL final to a lesser player and getting Nestea award denied because Chae changed the rules on his 9th season.
On August 08 2013 19:13 DrPandaPhD wrote: If Leenocks gets knocked out he probably is the most unlucky player in Korea. Losing a GSL final to a lesser player and getting Nestea award denied because Chae changed the rules on his 9th season.
I'd rank both violets pretty high too in bad luck tho
On August 08 2013 19:04 DarkLordOlli wrote: I had a redbull for breakfast
Back in college I used to do this every single time I had a sprinting test or football match early in the morning. Worked wonders!
I feel pretty bad lol, I haven't eaten since lunch yesterday, only had a beer last night and a redbull today
Living the healthiest of lives
SMOKE SOME METH
how do u do that >_< i get hungry if i dont eat a meal every ~4 hrs, need snacks in between too...n i not even fat...r u rlly skinny? oO
I'm weird, I get really hungry at night but I'm always tired so I fall asleep anyways. Then in the morning I have no appetite whatsoever. I do eat a lot for lunch though. Usually I have fruits or a salad or something in the evening though, just none yesterday
increasing duration between meals/eating smaller portions in between meals, and therein letting urself feel hungry throughout the day (not so much that is rlly painful) actually increases longevity (based on a study done on worms lol). but you shouldnt freaking starve urself man >_<
On August 08 2013 19:13 DrPandaPhD wrote: If Leenocks gets knocked out he probably is the most unlucky player in Korea. Losing a GSL final to a lesser player and getting Nestea award denied because Chae changed the rules on his 9th season.
Also getting sniped by Sniper when he was in the clear for season 5 of 2012 D;
On August 08 2013 19:13 DrPandaPhD wrote: If Leenocks gets knocked out he probably is the most unlucky player in Korea. Losing a GSL final to a lesser player and getting Nestea award denied because Chae changed the rules on his 9th season.
NEXliveforever > leenockfou into up and downs group with nestea and marineking. Now THAT's shit luck.
On August 08 2013 19:13 DrPandaPhD wrote: If Leenocks gets knocked out he probably is the most unlucky player in Korea. Losing a GSL final to a lesser player and getting Nestea award denied because Chae changed the rules on his 9th season.
Also getting sniped by Sniper when he was in the clear for season 5 of 2012 D;
On August 08 2013 19:13 DrPandaPhD wrote: If Leenocks gets knocked out he probably is the most unlucky player in Korea. Losing a GSL final to a lesser player and getting Nestea award denied because Chae changed the rules on his 9th season.
Also getting sniped by Sniper when he was in the clear for season 5 of 2012 D;
Did Sniper retire or something in hots?
Nah in true villain fashion he accomplished nothing after winning a championship.
On August 08 2013 19:13 DrPandaPhD wrote: If Leenocks gets knocked out he probably is the most unlucky player in Korea. Losing a GSL final to a lesser player and getting Nestea award denied because Chae changed the rules on his 9th season.
Also getting sniped by Sniper when he was in the clear for season 5 of 2012 D;
Did Sniper retire or something in hots?
not at all. He's just irrelevant like a fair amount of people (myself included) expected.
On August 08 2013 19:04 DarkLordOlli wrote: I had a redbull for breakfast
Back in college I used to do this every single time I had a sprinting test or football match early in the morning. Worked wonders!
I feel pretty bad lol, I haven't eaten since lunch yesterday, only had a beer last night and a redbull today
Living the healthiest of lives
SMOKE SOME METH
how do u do that >_< i get hungry if i dont eat a meal every ~4 hrs, need snacks in between too...n i not even fat...r u rlly skinny? oO
I'm weird, I get really hungry at night but I'm always tired so I fall asleep anyways. Then in the morning I have no appetite whatsoever. I do eat a lot for lunch though. Usually I have fruits or a salad or something in the evening though, just none yesterday
increasing duration between meals/eating smaller portions in between meals, and therein letting urself feel hungry throughout the day (not so much that is rlly painful) actually increases longevity (based on a study done on worms lol). but you shouldnt freaking starve urself man >_<
I don't feel starved really, the trick is to only get hungry when I'm asleep It's so hot here right now that I can't really eat a lot anyways so I try to get in one decent meal a day and have cold fruits/vegetables when I do get hungry
On August 08 2013 19:04 DarkLordOlli wrote: I had a redbull for breakfast
Back in college I used to do this every single time I had a sprinting test or football match early in the morning. Worked wonders!
I feel pretty bad lol, I haven't eaten since lunch yesterday, only had a beer last night and a redbull today
Living the healthiest of lives
SMOKE SOME METH
how do u do that >_< i get hungry if i dont eat a meal every ~4 hrs, need snacks in between too...n i not even fat...r u rlly skinny? oO
I'm weird, I get really hungry at night but I'm always tired so I fall asleep anyways. Then in the morning I have no appetite whatsoever. I do eat a lot for lunch though. Usually I have fruits or a salad or something in the evening though, just none yesterday
increasing duration between meals/eating smaller portions in between meals, and therein letting urself feel hungry throughout the day (not so much that is rlly painful) actually increases longevity (based on a study done on worms lol). but you shouldnt freaking starve urself man >_<
I don't feel starved really, the trick is to only get hungry when I'm asleep It's so hot here right now that I can't really eat a lot anyways so I try to get in one decent meal a day and have cold fruits/vegetables when I do get hungry
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
25%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
13%
★★★ - Good game (1)
6%
16 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Avenge vs Leenock?
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On August 08 2013 19:33 Yello wrote: these sunshades are really annoying. It just doesn't make any sense that a huge-ass Colossus or even those Stalkers can't just walk straight over them
Should've made them go flying all over the place when a Colo stomped across them.
really good game. Avenge with the Rain-level of lategame intelligence. So smart and patient. And Leenock just couldn't handle it, always out of position
On August 08 2013 19:33 Yello wrote: these sunshades are really annoying. It just doesn't make any sense that a huge-ass Colossus or even those Stalkers can't just walk straight over them
Should've made them go flying all over the place when a Colo stomped across them.
Destructible beach chairs.
oh yeah, chairs and sunshades flying around like Ling-pieces after getting hit by tank-shots with those new physics. That would be awesome
On August 08 2013 19:33 Panozen wrote: incredibly frustrating map
What do you mean?
Really hard for Z to defend bases.
for Z its actually easy compared to other races VERSUS Zerg (Think of ling runbys or muta harass vs a terran).
yeah........ no
Widow mines being the counter to 3 of zergs core units is a pretty big deal. They are like burrowed baneligns you don't have to control + they kill more + they cost less + they don't die when used
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
13%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
13%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
16 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Ruin vs KeeN?
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With builds like that, I understand why Protoss is not utterly dominating. Maybe the KR Protoss needs to take a look at the way EU Protoss playes as it always (since WoL) even gave Korean Terrans at least a bit of headache. Pair that with mechanics of the Korean Protoss and it would be sick but what the hell was that build :/
On August 08 2013 19:48 NarutO wrote: With builds like that, I understand why Protoss is not utterly dominating. Maybe the KR Protoss needs to take a look at the way EU Protoss playes as it always (since WoL) even gave Korean Terrans at least a bit of headache. Pair that with mechanics of the Korean Protoss and it would be sick but what the hell was that build :/
Yeah I don't understand what he was doing, blink into DT off 1 base on that map? wtf? Why not just go euro style and turtle with easily defendable bases
On August 08 2013 19:53 Elite_ wrote: Leenock, Avenge, Leenock, Pigbaby win the next four games and 5-way tie.
Will today be the glorious 5 way tie we have always dreamed of ^_^
So many times it's been close.
2012 Season 4 the fuck Sirius group because Sirius denied the 5-way tie in the very last game by losing to Seed.
Also the same group that denied SuperNova the NesTea award... Watch Pigbaby lose the last game and deny the 5-way tie and deny Leenock the NesTea award. lol
On August 08 2013 19:33 Panozen wrote: incredibly frustrating map
What do you mean?
Really hard for Z to defend bases.
for Z its actually easy compared to other races VERSUS Zerg (Think of ling runbys or muta harass vs a terran).
yeah........ no
Widow mines being the counter to 3 of zergs core units is a pretty big deal. They are like burrowed baneligns you don't have to control + they kill more + they cost less + they don't die when used
yeah...no. just no. banelings:0.5 supply for instance, so you can basically keep them everywehere. Also you don't see banelings before they explode besides you scan. + you can always bring overseer with you + sending a lone zergling in will activate mine - manual activation would be superiour in many cases + so zergs just need to lern how to activate the mine + zerglings are faster than this thing activvates and if controlled properly you see the mine before it fires + you need extra building (factory with reactor) with a slow production cycle to produce mines etc. + if you see attacks coming, zerg is on creep fastest race so can easiest come back and defend... ...
just theorycraft though, and OT as well, but its easier for Zerg, that is how the races are designed: for instance Terrans are tuned more towards harassement, zerg for defend while macro up etc (not just that ofc as it is a very complex strategy game)
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7)
29%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (5)
21%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (4)
17%
★★★ - Good game (4)
17%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (4)
17%
24 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Pigbaby vs Leenock?
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On August 08 2013 20:06 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Well fuck this.
Leenock gets the Supernova award instead. >_<
IM players are the only ones allowed the Nestea award!
Yeah I just imagine Nestea controlling destiny and letting all those non-IM players who have beaten him in the past come close but not get the award. Which doesn't bode well for DRG...
Fuck my life. Leenock not getting Nestea award after going 10 seasons in a row is so fucking dumb. Why would he have to do it 11 seasons in a row to get what people did 10 for?
"Oh but it was not the right type of Code S"
Wtf Chae. I get that you are a IM fanboy but at least be a little less biased
Leenock did what was the requirement but didn't get it. Honorary Nestea award.
On August 08 2013 20:06 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Well fuck this.
Leenock gets the Supernova award instead. >_<
IM players are the only ones allowed the Nestea award!
Yeah I just imagine Nestea controlling destiny and letting all those non-IM players who have beaten him in the past come close but not get the award. Which doesn't bode well for DRG...
He might take pity on MKP though xD
I hope the casters bring it up next week, I don't think it was mentioned and it's a cool story line.
On August 08 2013 19:33 Panozen wrote: incredibly frustrating map
What do you mean?
Really hard for Z to defend bases.
for Z its actually easy compared to other races VERSUS Zerg (Think of ling runbys or muta harass vs a terran).
yeah........ no
Widow mines being the counter to 3 of zergs core units is a pretty big deal. They are like burrowed baneligns you don't have to control + they kill more + they cost less + they don't die when used
yeah...no. just no. banelings:0.5 supply for instance, so you can basically keep them everywehere. Also you don't see banelings before they explode besides you scan. + you can always bring overseer with you + sending a lone zergling in will activate mine - manual activation would be superiour in many cases + so zergs just need to lern how to activate the mine + zerglings are faster than this thing activvates and if controlled properly you see the mine before it fires + you need extra building (factory with reactor) with a slow production cycle to produce mines etc. + if you see attacks coming, zerg is on creep fastest race so can easiest come back and defend... ...
just theorycraft though, and OT as well, but its easier for Zerg, that is how the races are designed: for instance Terrans are tuned more towards harassement, zerg for defend while macro up etc (not just that ofc as it is a very complex strategy game)
Cool story, bro. I guess suddenly Zergs players are just playing bad vs. every other race. Just how every Terran is suddenly bad when playing vs. Toss.
On August 08 2013 19:33 Panozen wrote: incredibly frustrating map
What do you mean?
Really hard for Z to defend bases.
for Z its actually easy compared to other races VERSUS Zerg (Think of ling runbys or muta harass vs a terran).
yeah........ no
Widow mines being the counter to 3 of zergs core units is a pretty big deal. They are like burrowed baneligns you don't have to control + they kill more + they cost less + they don't die when used
yeah...no. just no. banelings:0.5 supply for instance, so you can basically keep them everywehere. Also you don't see banelings before they explode besides you scan. + you can always bring overseer with you + sending a lone zergling in will activate mine - manual activation would be superiour in many cases + so zergs just need to lern how to activate the mine + zerglings are faster than this thing activvates and if controlled properly you see the mine before it fires + you need extra building (factory with reactor) with a slow production cycle to produce mines etc. + if you see attacks coming, zerg is on creep fastest race so can easiest come back and defend... ...
just theorycraft though, and OT as well, but its easier for Zerg, that is how the races are designed: for instance Terrans are tuned more towards harassement, zerg for defend while macro up etc (not just that ofc as it is a very complex strategy game)
Cool story, bro. I guess suddenly Zergs players are just playing bad vs. every other race. Just how every Terran is suddenly bad when playing vs. Toss.
What does this have to do with anything. Take balance whine elsewhere pls.
On August 08 2013 19:33 Panozen wrote: incredibly frustrating map
What do you mean?
Really hard for Z to defend bases.
for Z its actually easy compared to other races VERSUS Zerg (Think of ling runbys or muta harass vs a terran).
yeah........ no
Widow mines being the counter to 3 of zergs core units is a pretty big deal. They are like burrowed baneligns you don't have to control + they kill more + they cost less + they don't die when used
yeah...no. just no. banelings:0.5 supply for instance, so you can basically keep them everywehere. Also you don't see banelings before they explode besides you scan. + you can always bring overseer with you + sending a lone zergling in will activate mine - manual activation would be superiour in many cases + so zergs just need to lern how to activate the mine + zerglings are faster than this thing activvates and if controlled properly you see the mine before it fires + you need extra building (factory with reactor) with a slow production cycle to produce mines etc. + if you see attacks coming, zerg is on creep fastest race so can easiest come back and defend... ...
just theorycraft though, and OT as well, but its easier for Zerg, that is how the races are designed: for instance Terrans are tuned more towards harassement, zerg for defend while macro up etc (not just that ofc as it is a very complex strategy game)
Cool story, bro. I guess suddenly Zergs players are just playing bad vs. every other race. Just how every Terran is suddenly bad when playing vs. Toss.
I'm gonna make a bold prediction and say that this account won't be here for long. Close to every post is balance whine
On August 08 2013 19:33 Panozen wrote: incredibly frustrating map
What do you mean?
Really hard for Z to defend bases.
for Z its actually easy compared to other races VERSUS Zerg (Think of ling runbys or muta harass vs a terran).
yeah........ no
Widow mines being the counter to 3 of zergs core units is a pretty big deal. They are like burrowed baneligns you don't have to control + they kill more + they cost less + they don't die when used
yeah...no. just no. banelings:0.5 supply for instance, so you can basically keep them everywehere. Also you don't see banelings before they explode besides you scan. + you can always bring overseer with you + sending a lone zergling in will activate mine - manual activation would be superiour in many cases + so zergs just need to lern how to activate the mine + zerglings are faster than this thing activvates and if controlled properly you see the mine before it fires + you need extra building (factory with reactor) with a slow production cycle to produce mines etc. + if you see attacks coming, zerg is on creep fastest race so can easiest come back and defend... ...
just theorycraft though, and OT as well, but its easier for Zerg, that is how the races are designed: for instance Terrans are tuned more towards harassement, zerg for defend while macro up etc (not just that ofc as it is a very complex strategy game)
Cool story, bro. I guess suddenly Zergs players are just playing bad vs. every other race. Just how every Terran is suddenly bad when playing vs. Toss.
I'm gonna make a bold prediction and say that this account won't be here for long. Close to every post is balance whine
That reminds me to go look at the harvest from last night's WCS EU in the banned thread.
On August 08 2013 19:33 Panozen wrote: incredibly frustrating map
What do you mean?
Really hard for Z to defend bases.
for Z its actually easy compared to other races VERSUS Zerg (Think of ling runbys or muta harass vs a terran).
yeah........ no
Widow mines being the counter to 3 of zergs core units is a pretty big deal. They are like burrowed baneligns you don't have to control + they kill more + they cost less + they don't die when used
yeah...no. just no. banelings:0.5 supply for instance, so you can basically keep them everywehere. Also you don't see banelings before they explode besides you scan. + you can always bring overseer with you + sending a lone zergling in will activate mine - manual activation would be superiour in many cases + so zergs just need to lern how to activate the mine + zerglings are faster than this thing activvates and if controlled properly you see the mine before it fires + you need extra building (factory with reactor) with a slow production cycle to produce mines etc. + if you see attacks coming, zerg is on creep fastest race so can easiest come back and defend... ...
just theorycraft though, and OT as well, but its easier for Zerg, that is how the races are designed: for instance Terrans are tuned more towards harassement, zerg for defend while macro up etc (not just that ofc as it is a very complex strategy game)
Cool story, bro. I guess suddenly Zergs players are just playing bad vs. every other race. Just how every Terran is suddenly bad when playing vs. Toss.
I'm gonna make a bold prediction and say that this account won't be here for long. Close to every post is balance whine
That reminds me to go look at the harvest from last night's WCS EU in the banned thread.
MMA playing like garbage against Naniwa must have done wonders
On August 08 2013 19:33 Panozen wrote: incredibly frustrating map
What do you mean?
Really hard for Z to defend bases.
for Z its actually easy compared to other races VERSUS Zerg (Think of ling runbys or muta harass vs a terran).
yeah........ no
Widow mines being the counter to 3 of zergs core units is a pretty big deal. They are like burrowed baneligns you don't have to control + they kill more + they cost less + they don't die when used
yeah...no. just no. banelings:0.5 supply for instance, so you can basically keep them everywehere. Also you don't see banelings before they explode besides you scan. + you can always bring overseer with you + sending a lone zergling in will activate mine - manual activation would be superiour in many cases + so zergs just need to lern how to activate the mine + zerglings are faster than this thing activvates and if controlled properly you see the mine before it fires + you need extra building (factory with reactor) with a slow production cycle to produce mines etc. + if you see attacks coming, zerg is on creep fastest race so can easiest come back and defend... ...
just theorycraft though, and OT as well, but its easier for Zerg, that is how the races are designed: for instance Terrans are tuned more towards harassement, zerg for defend while macro up etc (not just that ofc as it is a very complex strategy game)
Cool story, bro. I guess suddenly Zergs players are just playing bad vs. every other race. Just how every Terran is suddenly bad when playing vs. Toss.
I'm gonna make a bold prediction and say that this account won't be here for long. Close to every post is balance whine
hopefully xD, but the thing is, some of these people get smarter and find the fine line where they can constantly hint annoyingly at imbalance without getting removed from the grid xD
On August 08 2013 20:09 DrPandaPhD wrote: Fuck my life. Leenock not getting Nestea award after going 10 seasons in a row is so fucking dumb. Why would he have to do it 11 seasons in a row to get what people did 10 for?
"Oh but it was not the right type of Code S"
Wtf Chae. I get that you are a IM fanboy but at least be a little less biased
Leenock did what was the requirement but didn't get it. Honorary Nestea award.
yes i am mad
i thought nestea award was discontinued anyway? either way, the award is p much a joke now...since osl/gsl alternate now...
Leenock is so unlucky holy shit. Chae changing the rules for Nestea award on his 9th season. Srsly can't get over the fact that he had to do 11 seasons in a row to get an award for 10 seasons in a row. Fucking hell that's dumb
On August 08 2013 20:09 DrPandaPhD wrote: Fuck my life. Leenock not getting Nestea award after going 10 seasons in a row is so fucking dumb. Why would he have to do it 11 seasons in a row to get what people did 10 for?
"Oh but it was not the right type of Code S"
Wtf Chae. I get that you are a IM fanboy but at least be a little less biased
Leenock did what was the requirement but didn't get it. Honorary Nestea award.
yes i am mad
i thought nestea award was discontinued anyway? either way, the award is p much a joke now...since osl/gsl alternate now...
afaik he would have gotten it if he won here. MKP and DRG also (even though they didn't keep the streak) And yes it's a joke. Chae should just have given it to Leenock as the third person to get it when he did it and then discontinued.
only hope for Keen now is going into really late lategame with the perfect mass ghost-viking-medivac-hellbat composition. But Avenge is too smart to let him to do that I think
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
18%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Avenge vs KeeN?
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On August 08 2013 20:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: man tonight really sucks. Leenocks only win in the group is against Ruin. Lame
this win gives us a tie-breaker and keeps Keen in for now. So I'm pretty happy with it. I wanted Leenock and Keen to advance but since that won't happen I am glad that Leenock at least wins this
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
9%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Ruin vs Leenock?
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why do you have 8~ probes being useless when you are being cannon rushed as a startale protoss!?!?? he could have moved them to the other side and started taking down the fourth pylon and let the ones that can't attack mine minerals.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
2%
58 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Avenge vs Pigbaby?
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On August 08 2013 20:46 nunez wrote: why do you have 8~ probes being useless when you are being cannon rushed as a startale protoss!?!?? he could have moved them to the other side and started taking down the fourth pylon and let the ones that can't attack mine minerals.
Yea, exactly... and he didn't have a probe following the enemy probe to attack it, which is a necessity when the cannons just come up.
On August 08 2013 20:46 nunez wrote: why do you have 8~ probes being useless when you are being cannon rushed as a startale protoss!?!?? he could have moved them to the other side and started taking down the fourth pylon and let the ones that can't attack mine minerals.
I don't think you can think rationally when this build is used against you. At least Avenge could not.
jeez what a crappy defense from avenge... 4 probes per pylon and you stop this easily... Cannon rush when you need 4 pylons to wall yourself in is terrible.. However avenge puts too many probes on the right side and not enough on the left and has a ton idle... Also he was not focussing cannons when he got through instead went for pylons.. You should always focus one or the other depending which are more vulnerable, with a 4 pylon build that are the cannons... Really crappy to lose to this at the pro level...
On August 08 2013 20:46 nunez wrote: why do you have 8~ probes being useless when you are being cannon rushed as a startale protoss!?!?? he could have moved them to the other side and started taking down the fourth pylon and let the ones that can't attack mine minerals.
I don't think you can think rationally when this build is used against you. At least Avenge could not.
You feel you're back to bronze league when it happens.
On August 08 2013 20:46 nunez wrote: why do you have 8~ probes being useless when you are being cannon rushed as a startale protoss!?!?? he could have moved them to the other side and started taking down the fourth pylon and let the ones that can't attack mine minerals.
I don't think you can think rationally when this build is used against you. At least Avenge could not.
You feel you're back to bronze league when it happens.
"Booth Play" is quite a bit different than Ladder or even most offline Tournaments. Stress is a lot higher for most players, with the players having "blood made of ice" having a decisive advantage. Pigbaby played on that. Avenge had to just do the "proper" parts, but in the booth, in a career-changing game, focused on the mid-game & rushes in PvP... and cannons show up.
On August 08 2013 20:46 nunez wrote: why do you have 8~ probes being useless when you are being cannon rushed as a startale protoss!?!?? he could have moved them to the other side and started taking down the fourth pylon and let the ones that can't attack mine minerals.
I don't think you can think rationally when this build is used against you. At least Avenge could not.
that was not the flustered reaction of a startale protoss... that was the classic, but ultimately futile "box, amove and stare at the screen with a quivering lower lip and some probes still in gas" of a bronze player.
cant remember the last time i see a all in from terran in TvP. Loads of it from protosses but not from terran. Can you think of any that might work except 11/11. Is there no new 1/1/1? :o
edit: just realised that a lot of terran do go all in with scv pulls at 14-15 min mark, but i mean more like 8-12 min all ins, 1 base builds etc.
On August 08 2013 20:57 Fjodorov wrote: cant remember the last time i see a all in from terran in TvP. Loads of it from protosses but not from terran. Can you think of any that might work except 11/11. Is there no new 1/1/1? :o
There are no allins besides scv-pull timings and those got weaker as Protoss can be greedier early so they are stronger when the timings hit + additionally have photon overcharge. Thats why lots of Terrans complain ;-)
On August 08 2013 20:53 iNsaNe- wrote: Dunno how Avenge can smile after that one I would be holding rage after a ladder game, let alone win and get to Code S
On August 08 2013 20:53 iNsaNe- wrote: Dunno how Avenge can smile after that one I would be holding rage after a ladder game, let alone win and get to Code S
Maybe that's how you become a progamer. :O
Turns out the kespa trial tournaments was just amateurs getting 6 pooled and cannon rushed over and over.
dropping is so hardcoded into the brain of the terran player that he cant stop himself from doing it even though protoss is on 2 base and very well defended. Amusing to watch ^^
On August 08 2013 20:57 Fjodorov wrote: cant remember the last time i see a all in from terran in TvP. Loads of it from protosses but not from terran. Can you think of any that might work except 11/11. Is there no new 1/1/1? :o
There are no allins besides scv-pull timings and those got weaker as Protoss can be greedier early so they are stronger when the timings hit + additionally have photon overcharge. Thats why lots of Terrans complain ;-)
Protoss however also loses ~2 probes compared to WoL making the MSC. I do agree though that MSC is not exactly healthy for PvT from a spectator point of view, besides reapers and early marine pokes or widow mine drops there is little action. P is content playing for the long game and T's best chance to battle that are scv timings, doom drops or getting ahead far enough to be ahead lategame. It's fairly balanced but not really interesting.
I think Keen should have started Blue-Flame and added a 2nd Factory by now. So if he trades decently he can re-max with a better army and not worry that much about huge zealot-warpins
On August 08 2013 20:57 Fjodorov wrote: cant remember the last time i see a all in from terran in TvP. Loads of it from protosses but not from terran. Can you think of any that might work except 11/11. Is there no new 1/1/1? :o
There are no allins besides scv-pull timings and those got weaker as Protoss can be greedier early so they are stronger when the timings hit + additionally have photon overcharge. Thats why lots of Terrans complain ;-)
Protoss however also loses ~2 probes compared to WoL making the MSC. I do agree though that MSC is not exactly healthy for PvT from a spectator point of view, besides reapers and early marine pokes or widow mine drops there is little action. P is content playing for the long game and T's best chance to battle that are scv timings, doom drops or getting ahead far enough to be ahead lategame. It's fairly balanced but not really interesting.
On August 08 2013 20:57 Fjodorov wrote: cant remember the last time i see a all in from terran in TvP. Loads of it from protosses but not from terran. Can you think of any that might work except 11/11. Is there no new 1/1/1? :o
There are no allins besides scv-pull timings and those got weaker as Protoss can be greedier early so they are stronger when the timings hit + additionally have photon overcharge. Thats why lots of Terrans complain ;-)
Protoss however also loses ~2 probes compared to WoL making the MSC. I do agree though that MSC is not exactly healthy for PvT from a spectator point of view, besides reapers and early marine pokes or widow mine drops there is little action. P is content playing for the long game and T's best chance to battle that are scv timings, doom drops or getting ahead far enough to be ahead lategame. It's fairly balanced but not really interesting.
I disagree with fairly balanced as do many others
As usual people from both sides think it's unbalanced but I haven't seen much to indicate that at all, if anything stats look fairly fine.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
4%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
4%
24 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Ruin vs KeeN?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On August 08 2013 21:19 MetalSlug wrote: What happend to the commander Keen we know from the back then when the iconic gifs where made ? He looks so depressed and serious right now ?
He matured to the point he found those iconic gifs childish.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to d (5)
36%
★★★ - Good game (4)
29%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
14%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
14%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
7%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend KeeN vs Avenge?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to d (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
A lot of fans were disappointed that you haven't been doing many ceremonies lately, is there a reason behind it?
Yes, because my results kept getting worse, I wanted to focus more on my games than my ceremonies. If I start placing high in Code S again, or if feel that I'm getting results that I can be proud of as a player, I'll start paying attention to stuff outside of the game like ceremonies again.
This group is so much like last season's group... Avenge beats KeeN in the group, tiebreaker with Avenge, KeeN, and an IM Protoss, Avenge fucks up an all-in against KeeN in the tiebreaker, KeeN advances to Code S... Wat.
It's really sad Ruin came unbelievably close to getting into code S. Had Leenock's overlord not just barely seen Ruin's pylon that could've been a different game.
though tbh, he really isn't code S quality just yet, so whatever I suppose :/
Nothing against KeeN but hes the definition of those who always make Code S only to get knocked out in Ro32 every single time. I'd prefer new blood like Ruin or Avenge
On August 08 2013 21:45 Arceus wrote: Nothing against KeeN but hes the definition of those who always make Code S only to get knocked out in Ro32 every single time. I'd prefer new blood like Ruin or Avenge
On August 08 2013 21:45 Arceus wrote: Nothing against KeeN but hes the definition of those who always make Code S only to get knocked out in Ro32 every single time. I'd prefer new blood like Ruin or Avenge
I'm hoping for Keen to finally make a better run in Code S, just look at Maru, he may have been one level above Keen already but it's not as if he was a favorite for this season and now he's in the finals
On August 08 2013 21:45 Arceus wrote: Nothing against KeeN but hes the definition of those who always make Code S only to get knocked out in Ro32 every single time. I'd prefer new blood like Ruin or Avenge
I'm hoping for Keen to finally make a better run in Code S, just look at Maru, he may have been one level above Keen already but it's not as if he was a favorite for this season and now he's in the finals
If Keen managed to get to the next finals, like Maru did, I would be the happiest little camper.
Whoops, forgot this for the unplayed tiebreaker game:
Poll: Recommend Ruin vs Avenge?
★★★ - Good game (2)
40%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
40%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
20%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Ruin vs Avenge?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
edit: ugh and I guess the tiebreaker polls shouldnt've specified the player who was decided by the first tiebreaker game, right? Sorry about that.
Are there any top Zergs out there that are doing well because I can't think of any? Life, Symbol, HyuN, Leenock and even Soulkey are currently on a losing record? Jaedong maybe?
On August 08 2013 22:23 DeCoder wrote: Are there any top Zergs out there that are doing well because I can't think of any? Life, Symbol, HyuN, Leenock and even Soulkey are currently on a losing record? Jaedong maybe?
Jaedong is only really doing well outside of Korea though
On August 08 2013 22:24 Daogin wrote: Man Leenock what's going on, your making me depressed as hell
I know, right?
He's just so fucking unlucky as well. If blizzard had decided to start the WCS thing ONE season later he would have gotten the nestea award TT
Really just hope Chae gives it to him anyway cause he did 10 seasons in a row. Don't know why only he should have to do 11 seasons in a row to get an award for 10 seasons in a row.
Everyone drops out of Code S at some point, he will come back. But it's just stupidly unlucky/depressing that he did 10 seasons in a row and still wont get the award. And to start the streak at this point is almost impossible. Would take 4 years.
Damn we got the wrong protoss through :/ Gratz Keen, but Ruin or Avenge (especially Ruin imo) would have fared way better than HS in code S, unless HS is suddenly way better than he has shown before today. Well, gg anyway ofc, he's through so he deserves it.
On August 09 2013 00:42 Nebuchad wrote: Damn we got the wrong protoss through :/ Gratz Keen, but Ruin or Avenge (especially Ruin imo) would have fared way better than HS in code S, unless HS is suddenly way better than he has shown before today. Well, gg anyway ofc, he's through so he deserves it.
Well Ruin and Avenge didn't show themselves to be better than Pigbaby today did they? And Pigbaby showed that he can prepare good strategies in Proleague where he defeated RorO, Zest, and Rain.
On August 08 2013 22:23 DeCoder wrote: Are there any top Zergs out there that are doing well because I can't think of any? Life, Symbol, HyuN, Leenock and even Soulkey are currently on a losing record? Jaedong maybe?
Leenock fell off for obvious reasons. Symbol was never any good, his cheese gimmick play finally being figured out.
How is Hyun on a losing record? Not winning a tournament means losing record?
Soulkey is doing very well... he's lost 3 series in his last 12 (2 to innovation, 1 to supernova) so don't know what you're going on about there.
It was expected that many or all the Zerg "gods" in Wings of Liberty would fall off in HOTS, it was impossible to know which ones were truly great. For instance, we've found out Life wasn't the next MVP like many had predicted.
Give it a few more months and we'll know for sure. We'll either see a lot more KeSPA zergs doing well, or realize balance changes are needed. Losira I think is the strongest eSF Zerg at the moment, his series against Reality was a hell of a lot better than anything I've ever seen from Life or Symbol.
On August 08 2013 22:23 DeCoder wrote: Are there any top Zergs out there that are doing well because I can't think of any? Life, Symbol, HyuN, Leenock and even Soulkey are currently on a losing record? Jaedong maybe?
Leenock fell off for obvious reasons. Symbol was never any good, his cheese gimmick play finally being figured out.
How is Hyun on a losing record? Not winning a tournament means losing record?
Soulkey is doing very well... he's lost 3 series in his last 12 (2 to innovation, 1 to supernova) so don't know what you're going on about there.
It was expected that many or all the Zerg "gods" in Wings of Liberty would fall off in HOTS, it was impossible to know which ones were truly great. For instance, we've found out Life wasn't the next MVP like many had predicted.
Give it a few more months and we'll know for sure. We'll either see a lot more KeSPA zergs doing well, or realize balance changes are needed. Losira I think is the strongest eSF Zerg at the moment, his series against Reality was a hell of a lot better than anything I've ever seen from Life or Symbol.
Lol Symbol never any good? He routinely makes it into at LEAST top8 (sometimes top4, one time the finals) in the most difficult SC2 tournament in the world. That's consistency right there.
On August 08 2013 22:23 DeCoder wrote: Are there any top Zergs out there that are doing well because I can't think of any? Life, Symbol, HyuN, Leenock and even Soulkey are currently on a losing record? Jaedong maybe?
Leenock fell off for obvious reasons. Symbol was never any good, his cheese gimmick play finally being figured out.
How is Hyun on a losing record? Not winning a tournament means losing record?
Soulkey is doing very well... he's lost 3 series in his last 12 (2 to innovation, 1 to supernova) so don't know what you're going on about there.
It was expected that many or all the Zerg "gods" in Wings of Liberty would fall off in HOTS, it was impossible to know which ones were truly great. For instance, we've found out Life wasn't the next MVP like many had predicted.
Give it a few more months and we'll know for sure. We'll either see a lot more KeSPA zergs doing well, or realize balance changes are needed. Losira I think is the strongest eSF Zerg at the moment, his series against Reality was a hell of a lot better than anything I've ever seen from Life or Symbol.
lol I love Losira, but no...just no to being the best eSF zerg. His series against Reality only seemed impressive because Reality didn't know how to raise a supply depot (honestly don't think he deserved code S either that night). If anything, Losira's ZvZ is the only area where he's consistently looking strong.
Symbol never good? lol. I guess he'll forever stay underrated until he finally wins something. Fuck consistency right? Never mind that he had arguably the best lategame of any zerg in WoL and had a great run in the final season of WoL and even transitioned to HotS better than most Zerg. No, fuck that, all we know is the cheese that many other zergs do often as well because ZvT is tough...
What are these obvious reasons Leenock fell off? Is it because it's not yet the fall season? :p
Anyone with even a little understanding of the game knew Life was legit even during a period of Zerg dominance. His fall was unexpected to say the least.
Kespa zergs also got demolished in their SPL. So....not much better on their end outside of Soulkey really. Effort shows a bit of promise at times, and somehow soO is staying consistent. So I guess those two also deserve a mention.
I'd give it more time to figure things out, but really, it isn't looking good at all in Zerg land.
On August 08 2013 22:23 DeCoder wrote: Are there any top Zergs out there that are doing well because I can't think of any? Life, Symbol, HyuN, Leenock and even Soulkey are currently on a losing record? Jaedong maybe?
Leenock fell off for obvious reasons. Symbol was never any good, his cheese gimmick play finally being figured out.
How is Hyun on a losing record? Not winning a tournament means losing record?
Soulkey is doing very well... he's lost 3 series in his last 12 (2 to innovation, 1 to supernova) so don't know what you're going on about there.
It was expected that many or all the Zerg "gods" in Wings of Liberty would fall off in HOTS, it was impossible to know which ones were truly great. For instance, we've found out Life wasn't the next MVP like many had predicted.
Give it a few more months and we'll know for sure. We'll either see a lot more KeSPA zergs doing well, or realize balance changes are needed. Losira I think is the strongest eSF Zerg at the moment, his series against Reality was a hell of a lot better than anything I've ever seen from Life or Symbol.
lol I love Losira, but no...just no to being the best eSF zerg. His series against Reality only seemed impressive because Reality didn't know how to raise a supply depot (honestly don't think he deserved code S either that night). If anything, Losira's ZvZ is the only area where he's consistently looking strong.
Symbol never good? lol. I guess he'll forever stay underrated until he finally wins something. Fuck consistency right? Never mind that he had arguably the best lategame of any zerg in WoL and had a great run in the final season of WoL and even transitioned to HotS better than most Zerg. No, fuck that, all we know is the cheese that many other zergs do often as well because ZvT is tough...
What are these obvious reasons Leenock fell off? Is it because it's not yet the fall season? :p
Anyone with even a little understanding of the game knew Life was legit even during a period of Zerg dominance. His fall was unexpected to say the least.
Kespa zergs also got demolished in their SPL. So....not much better on their end outside of Soulkey really. Effort shows a bit of promise at times, and somehow soO is staying consistent. So I guess those two also deserve a mention.
I'd give it more time to figure things out, but really, it isn't looking good at all in Zerg land.
His builds relied heavily on infestor abuse in WoL, and his mechanics were much worse than the other top zergs.
So, after watching Losira's series vs Reality, you think there is an eSF Zerg with better mechanics/multitask than Losira? I'm not talking about wins/losses. I'm talking about analyzing a player's games. Life plays poorly atm, win or lose, same with Symbol and Leenock. Losira does not.
On August 08 2013 22:23 DeCoder wrote: Are there any top Zergs out there that are doing well because I can't think of any? Life, Symbol, HyuN, Leenock and even Soulkey are currently on a losing record? Jaedong maybe?
Leenock fell off for obvious reasons. Symbol was never any good, his cheese gimmick play finally being figured out.
How is Hyun on a losing record? Not winning a tournament means losing record?
Soulkey is doing very well... he's lost 3 series in his last 12 (2 to innovation, 1 to supernova) so don't know what you're going on about there.
It was expected that many or all the Zerg "gods" in Wings of Liberty would fall off in HOTS, it was impossible to know which ones were truly great. For instance, we've found out Life wasn't the next MVP like many had predicted.
Give it a few more months and we'll know for sure. We'll either see a lot more KeSPA zergs doing well, or realize balance changes are needed. Losira I think is the strongest eSF Zerg at the moment, his series against Reality was a hell of a lot better than anything I've ever seen from Life or Symbol.
This is utter rubbish. Leenock and Life were truly great, and if you fail to realize that, then you're fucking hopeless.
On August 08 2013 22:23 DeCoder wrote: Are there any top Zergs out there that are doing well because I can't think of any? Life, Symbol, HyuN, Leenock and even Soulkey are currently on a losing record? Jaedong maybe?
Leenock fell off for obvious reasons. Symbol was never any good, his cheese gimmick play finally being figured out.
How is Hyun on a losing record? Not winning a tournament means losing record?
Soulkey is doing very well... he's lost 3 series in his last 12 (2 to innovation, 1 to supernova) so don't know what you're going on about there.
It was expected that many or all the Zerg "gods" in Wings of Liberty would fall off in HOTS, it was impossible to know which ones were truly great. For instance, we've found out Life wasn't the next MVP like many had predicted.
Give it a few more months and we'll know for sure. We'll either see a lot more KeSPA zergs doing well, or realize balance changes are needed. Losira I think is the strongest eSF Zerg at the moment, his series against Reality was a hell of a lot better than anything I've ever seen from Life or Symbol.
lol I love Losira, but no...just no to being the best eSF zerg. His series against Reality only seemed impressive because Reality didn't know how to raise a supply depot (honestly don't think he deserved code S either that night). If anything, Losira's ZvZ is the only area where he's consistently looking strong.
Symbol never good? lol. I guess he'll forever stay underrated until he finally wins something. Fuck consistency right? Never mind that he had arguably the best lategame of any zerg in WoL and had a great run in the final season of WoL and even transitioned to HotS better than most Zerg. No, fuck that, all we know is the cheese that many other zergs do often as well because ZvT is tough...
What are these obvious reasons Leenock fell off? Is it because it's not yet the fall season? :p
Anyone with even a little understanding of the game knew Life was legit even during a period of Zerg dominance. His fall was unexpected to say the least.
Kespa zergs also got demolished in their SPL. So....not much better on their end outside of Soulkey really. Effort shows a bit of promise at times, and somehow soO is staying consistent. So I guess those two also deserve a mention.
I'd give it more time to figure things out, but really, it isn't looking good at all in Zerg land.
His builds relied heavily on infestor abuse in WoL, and his mechanics were much worse than the other top zergs.
So, after watching Losira's series vs Reality, you think there is an eSF Zerg with better mechanics/multitask than Losira? I'm not talking about wins/losses. I'm talking about analyzing a player's games. Life plays poorly atm, win or lose, same with Symbol and Leenock. Losira does not.
Symbol's mechanics were not much worse at all, he'd consistently have more larva than most zergs and some of the best creep spread I've seen back then. This season he wasn't as strong, but he's still good enough to crack the ro8. More importantly, Symbol excels in the cerebral aspect of this game, he's very adaptive. If you followed Symbol since he first really started to emerge (I liked him wayyy back in his first encounter with IM in team league, this was before the famous reverse all-kill) you'll see drops, double nydus play, infestor lategame drops, brilliant tech switches, and even a form of ultra/bane ZvP that worked. All of this before he finally succumbed to BL/Infestor like every other Zerg, and he still killed with it.
As for Losira, I don't like badmouthing the guy because I want him to do well. So to put it gently, his decisions are so bad at times it actually boggles the mind. The game isn't just mechanics and multitask, not to mention that despite his insane speed Losira does have lapses in the army control and multitask department. He hits his injects extremely well though. If you're talking about analyzing his games like you say, you'll have noticed a lot of mistakes. For instance, the game against Reality was filled with sloppy moves into widow mines and losing a lot of lings for nothing throughout.
edit: my bad, I missed that you were talking about Leenock and NOT Symbol....which is even more absurd xD. Like the person below me said, Leenock is one of the most diverse zergs ever and is superb at playing from behind. Pretty much everything I said about Symbol, minus having more of an emphasis on decisions/strategy (Leenock is more mechanics) stands for Leenock too so meh. Oh, and btw Leenock is old-school and was owning with Zerg back in the dark ages for zerg with DRG and Nestea...I don't think he needed infestors to do well.
On August 08 2013 22:23 DeCoder wrote: Are there any top Zergs out there that are doing well because I can't think of any? Life, Symbol, HyuN, Leenock and even Soulkey are currently on a losing record? Jaedong maybe?
Leenock fell off for obvious reasons. Symbol was never any good, his cheese gimmick play finally being figured out.
How is Hyun on a losing record? Not winning a tournament means losing record?
Soulkey is doing very well... he's lost 3 series in his last 12 (2 to innovation, 1 to supernova) so don't know what you're going on about there.
It was expected that many or all the Zerg "gods" in Wings of Liberty would fall off in HOTS, it was impossible to know which ones were truly great. For instance, we've found out Life wasn't the next MVP like many had predicted.
Give it a few more months and we'll know for sure. We'll either see a lot more KeSPA zergs doing well, or realize balance changes are needed. Losira I think is the strongest eSF Zerg at the moment, his series against Reality was a hell of a lot better than anything I've ever seen from Life or Symbol.
lol I love Losira, but no...just no to being the best eSF zerg. His series against Reality only seemed impressive because Reality didn't know how to raise a supply depot (honestly don't think he deserved code S either that night). If anything, Losira's ZvZ is the only area where he's consistently looking strong.
Symbol never good? lol. I guess he'll forever stay underrated until he finally wins something. Fuck consistency right? Never mind that he had arguably the best lategame of any zerg in WoL and had a great run in the final season of WoL and even transitioned to HotS better than most Zerg. No, fuck that, all we know is the cheese that many other zergs do often as well because ZvT is tough...
What are these obvious reasons Leenock fell off? Is it because it's not yet the fall season? :p
Anyone with even a little understanding of the game knew Life was legit even during a period of Zerg dominance. His fall was unexpected to say the least.
Kespa zergs also got demolished in their SPL. So....not much better on their end outside of Soulkey really. Effort shows a bit of promise at times, and somehow soO is staying consistent. So I guess those two also deserve a mention.
I'd give it more time to figure things out, but really, it isn't looking good at all in Zerg land.
His builds relied heavily on infestor abuse in WoL, and his mechanics were much worse than the other top zergs.
So, after watching Losira's series vs Reality, you think there is an eSF Zerg with better mechanics/multitask than Losira? I'm not talking about wins/losses. I'm talking about analyzing a player's games. Life plays poorly atm, win or lose, same with Symbol and Leenock. Losira does not.
LOL Leenock has been successful with probably literally every zerg style in WoL. He did not rely on his Infestor Gadget style, it was just one style that he used towards the end of WoL.
On August 09 2013 07:34 Kyaaaaa wrote: Why do people care about the nestea award? It used to be ridiculously easy to get with almost 10 tournaments in 2011 alone. Now there's like 4 a year.
On August 09 2013 07:34 Kyaaaaa wrote: Why do people care about the nestea award? It used to be ridiculously easy to get with almost 10 tournaments in 2011 alone. Now there's like 4 a year.
>ridiculously easy to get
>two people ever have gotten it
lol yea, it was ridiculously hard to get, and now it's basically impossible for anyone starting now
On August 08 2013 22:23 DeCoder wrote: Are there any top Zergs out there that are doing well because I can't think of any? Life, Symbol, HyuN, Leenock and even Soulkey are currently on a losing record? Jaedong maybe?
Leenock fell off for obvious reasons. Symbol was never any good, his cheese gimmick play finally being figured out.
How is Hyun on a losing record? Not winning a tournament means losing record?
Soulkey is doing very well... he's lost 3 series in his last 12 (2 to innovation, 1 to supernova) so don't know what you're going on about there.
It was expected that many or all the Zerg "gods" in Wings of Liberty would fall off in HOTS, it was impossible to know which ones were truly great. For instance, we've found out Life wasn't the next MVP like many had predicted.
Give it a few more months and we'll know for sure. We'll either see a lot more KeSPA zergs doing well, or realize balance changes are needed. Losira I think is the strongest eSF Zerg at the moment, his series against Reality was a hell of a lot better than anything I've ever seen from Life or Symbol.
Please tell me you didn't just write that. You gotta be kidding me? Life was the most feared player in SCII especially towards its end. He was so dominant winning against mvp, reverse sweeping leenock to win MLG as well as other tourneys. He 4-2'd Flash when Flash was up 2-0 in the first HoTS MLG finals. He's the most accomplished Zerg player aside from Nestea. His ZvZ has always been shaky which is why he's not doing as well these days. That and lack of practice since he seems to be playing LoL. Symbol as mentioned is probably the most consistent zerg in WoL and even now in HoTS, he's always making RO8 appearances which is much better than a ton of other zergs. He loves roaches but he's not a cheese only player. Leenock was a tool of all trades. He was the equivalent of mvp where he can cheese or play straight up and win. He was a well rounded player and has some achievements albeit he never won GSL even when he came close(curse you Jijaki!). I dunno why he's not doing as well in HoTS. Maybe something is going on atm.
On August 09 2013 07:34 Kyaaaaa wrote: Why do people care about the nestea award? It used to be ridiculously easy to get with almost 10 tournaments in 2011 alone. Now there's like 4 a year.
>ridiculously easy to get
>two people ever have gotten it
lol yea, it was ridiculously hard to get, and now it's basically impossible for anyone starting now
They should change the # of seasons, but the NesTea award was still ridiculous hard to get - being the top 32 players in Korea for 18 months straight.
On August 15 2013 02:52 monkybone wrote: the fuk happened to leenock?
The same thing that happened to all korean zergs. They suddenly started losing after hellbat nerf ( i mean they were losing before too, but not in a such a stupid way).
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