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that esl map guy reminds me of manuel neuer. every time i see him
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MMA FIGHTING!! Go you handsome Baller
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On August 08 2013 02:12 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 02:11 Left hand wrote:On August 08 2013 02:00 NovaMB wrote:On August 08 2013 01:58 arterian wrote:
Naniwa with the F Bomb Only a north american would care about that to be honest Only Europeans would make such a big deal about how big of a deal F bombs are in America.  Seriously, more than ten of you guys have already commented on how much Europe doesn't care about cursing. Think it's enough? people say it because it's true... we don't have a secret club where we plan to all post it at the same time
Or...the Europeans are all presumptuous fucks who think they speak for all Europeans.
Even if it's less common to care about swearing in Europe, ignore those ones.
That said, I should clarify that I don't mind a little bit of a light swearing on at least some professional casts, pretty happy with it on ESL at least. If it starts happening a lot though, it's pretty unprofessional.
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Below, On August 08 2013 02:16 Panozen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 02:12 Waise wrote:
people say it because it's true... we don't have a secret club where we plan to all post it at the same time Not that I don't agree, but ''people say it because it's true'' is a bit of a weird analogy. ''People'' also say Black people are inferior to white people, which obv isn't true.
Good point from Panozen. 
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On August 08 2013 02:09 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 02:06 scypio wrote:On August 08 2013 02:01 AgentW wrote:On August 08 2013 02:00 scypio wrote:
Naniwa looked pretty good there, he adapted to Tefel's playstyle pretty well (apart from the throw in G1). What? It was much more Tefel NOT adapting to NaNiwa's play. Not a single infestor was built. Tefel has a story of sticking to his builds forever. He is unlikely to surprise anyone with building hydras, he just executes it well enough to get into wcs eu ro16. Naniwa on the other hand is known for coming up with new builds and he played differently vs Tefel today. Naniwa doesn't adapt to peoples builds either though. See Leenock vs Naniwa MLG. He has a long history, and has admitted himself to simply executing his set build order and not necessarily responding to his opponent.
The Leenock vs Naniwa series is very misunderstood and I would have thought that by now people would see that. How often do you see a FFE get broken by a Roach rush these days? There was nothing wrong with Naniwa's build and he knew it, it was his execution that was lacking.
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On August 08 2013 02:11 Left hand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 02:00 NovaMB wrote:On August 08 2013 01:58 arterian wrote:
Naniwa with the F Bomb Only a north american would care about that to be honest Only Europeans would make such a big deal about how big of a deal F bombs are in America. Seriously, more than ten of you guys have already commented on how much Europe doesn't care about cursing. Think it's enough?
Yeah, because we dont give a fuck
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On August 08 2013 02:13 GaliX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 02:11 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 08 2013 02:10 GaliX wrote:
nobody renembers the MC game in the end of WoL with the epic carrier storm void build? Link please. I don't know when it was. I think it was the last GSL season where MC was the only Protoss left (ro16?) and showed a epic skytoss late game macro gam against Symbol or someone like that. I will search it. But I am not sure if I will find something.
No worry.
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On August 08 2013 02:12 Greendotz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 02:01 Apoteosis wrote:
Wait, Naniwa being polite ?
WTH has happened to him ? Naniwa isn't rude per-say. He gets very emotional and lashes out after he loses. If you look at interviews after he’s lost, as long as he’s had a little cooling off time he’s very level headed. He’s fine when he wins and when he loses he just needs about 30 minutes to calm down and disconnect.
i understand he gets emotional, but everyone has emotions... it's rude to not control them and say degrading things about your opponent
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is it just me or does mma not look like mma, havent seen him in a whyle whats changed
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On August 08 2013 02:14 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 02:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 08 2013 02:10 Waise wrote:On August 08 2013 02:09 The_Templar wrote:On August 08 2013 02:08 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On August 08 2013 02:02 Panozen wrote:On August 08 2013 02:00 Lysanias wrote:On August 08 2013 01:59 Exarl25 wrote:On August 08 2013 01:57 Gojira621 wrote:
naniwa made voids every single game and tefel whines balance despite the fact that he didnt make a single infestor or corruptors. what a joke You don't make Corruptors in that situation. This isn't WoL, Void Rays hard counter Corruptors. You need an overwhelming number to beat out VRs and against 3 SGs you aren't likely to get that. Wich is amusing and horribly wrong balanced, An anti air unit losing to a allround unit. Do Corruptors actually beat anything air straight up? (not counting Msc/Oracle etc) Your army of corrupters can beat a smaller army of corrupters from your enemy! I think you just figured out the metagame. if i saw a corruptor in zvz i would probably get so confused that i would have to quit and go splash cold water on my face It happens super lategame i honestly can't remember the last time i played or saw a zvz go to hive tech
Symbol vs RorO.
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On August 08 2013 02:15 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 02:13 GaliX wrote:On August 08 2013 02:11 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 08 2013 02:10 GaliX wrote:
nobody renembers the MC game in the end of WoL with the epic carrier storm void build? Link please. I don't know when it was. I think it was the last GSL season where MC was the only Protoss left (ro16?) and showed a epic skytoss late game macro gam against Symbol or someone like that. I will search it. But I am not sure if I will find something. No worry.
mc lost like no unit in that last engagement. was pretty impressive
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On August 08 2013 02:14 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 02:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 08 2013 02:10 Waise wrote:On August 08 2013 02:09 The_Templar wrote:On August 08 2013 02:08 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On August 08 2013 02:02 Panozen wrote:On August 08 2013 02:00 Lysanias wrote:On August 08 2013 01:59 Exarl25 wrote:On August 08 2013 01:57 Gojira621 wrote:
naniwa made voids every single game and tefel whines balance despite the fact that he didnt make a single infestor or corruptors. what a joke You don't make Corruptors in that situation. This isn't WoL, Void Rays hard counter Corruptors. You need an overwhelming number to beat out VRs and against 3 SGs you aren't likely to get that. Wich is amusing and horribly wrong balanced, An anti air unit losing to a allround unit. Do Corruptors actually beat anything air straight up? (not counting Msc/Oracle etc) Your army of corrupters can beat a smaller army of corrupters from your enemy! I think you just figured out the metagame. if i saw a corruptor in zvz i would probably get so confused that i would have to quit and go splash cold water on my face It happens super lategame i honestly can't remember the last time i played or saw a zvz go to hive tech
You probably want to be happy about that, those games are not pretty
On August 08 2013 02:15 DidYuhim wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 02:14 Waise wrote:On August 08 2013 02:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 08 2013 02:10 Waise wrote:On August 08 2013 02:09 The_Templar wrote:On August 08 2013 02:08 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On August 08 2013 02:02 Panozen wrote:On August 08 2013 02:00 Lysanias wrote:On August 08 2013 01:59 Exarl25 wrote:On August 08 2013 01:57 Gojira621 wrote:
naniwa made voids every single game and tefel whines balance despite the fact that he didnt make a single infestor or corruptors. what a joke You don't make Corruptors in that situation. This isn't WoL, Void Rays hard counter Corruptors. You need an overwhelming number to beat out VRs and against 3 SGs you aren't likely to get that. Wich is amusing and horribly wrong balanced, An anti air unit losing to a allround unit. Do Corruptors actually beat anything air straight up? (not counting Msc/Oracle etc) Your army of corrupters can beat a smaller army of corrupters from your enemy! I think you just figured out the metagame. if i saw a corruptor in zvz i would probably get so confused that i would have to quit and go splash cold water on my face It happens super lategame i honestly can't remember the last time i played or saw a zvz go to hive tech Symbol vs RorO.
... is the best example for that.
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Is it Happy who is darn tall or is MMA a hobbit?
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omg apollo destroying fanboy dreams t.t
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On August 08 2013 02:16 Clazziquai10 wrote:
Is it Happy who is darn tall or is MMA a hobbit?
MMA is a hobbit.
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So, hoping for Happy so we can get an Alliance vs Empire game?
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On August 08 2013 02:16 Clazziquai10 wrote:
Is it Happy who is darn tall or is MMA a hobbit?
Combination of both i would asume.
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On August 08 2013 02:13 Thallis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 02:10 Big J wrote:On August 08 2013 02:06 Nebuchad wrote:On August 08 2013 02:05 Big J wrote:On August 08 2013 02:02 Zenbrez wrote:On August 08 2013 01:59 Big J wrote:On August 08 2013 01:56 DJHelium wrote:
The best thing about the void rays is that you don't have to target fire, they will kill the hydras first anyway. As soon as you see them targeting a roach, just activate them.
I don't think Tefel is reacting to this build in a good way, infestors would at least twice as good. I think people overestimate infestors for that. Fungal has been nerfed by 10damage vs armored and infestors are really expensive in the midgame. He would get at most 10infestors instead of the 30hydras he was working with. Imo, the way to go against this style is either blindcounter the third with an allin or sit on 4bases forever with hydra/viper/swarmhost/statics. Edit: fungal is still good vs void rays, but it's not affordable to deal with them in the midgame. You underestimate it. You don't need 10 infestors. You only use them for fungal, ITs are useless. Voidrays stack a loooot - sure he could split them, but lets be honest, nobody really does. Even having just 2 infestors, pinning them and dealing 50-60 dmg (since people generally overlap the fungals) to ALL of them is hugely significant. A pure hydra army won't do the job I don't think you should base your strategy on your opponent playing shit. Naniwa scouted a lot. Had he seen infestors, he would have surely presplit his army. That's a bit unrealistic. That's like saying, "don't ever go for templars in PvT, the terran is good, he will split his bio." Just look at the numbers... Tefel had ~30hydralisks. Now if he goes infestors as well he immidiatly misses 5 of them (infestation pit + energy upgrade) for the tech and 3 for each infestor he builds due to the gas being the limiting factor. The remaining army will be mostly zerglings with 10 hydras and 5 infestors. That's simply not enough. You don't have to be split perfectly, just having an arc in which not more than 5 voidrays get fungaled at once (there are only 5fungals) will be enough to hold. Sure, but that assumes he stays on 3 bases and attacks with that army instead of having a good economy and attacking in open areas.
well, if he doesn't attack at that timing it will be a completely different thing. Then he has to consider how to beat Protoss in the lategame when Templars and Colossi are out. Which leads me back to what I was saying. He should go 4base swarmhost turtle, because that's the only style that works against a Protoss in full force in the lategame if he has voidrays or immortals to shut down ultras.
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On August 08 2013 02:12 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 02:11 Left hand wrote:On August 08 2013 02:00 NovaMB wrote:On August 08 2013 01:58 arterian wrote:
Naniwa with the F Bomb Only a north american would care about that to be honest Only Europeans would make such a big deal about how big of a deal F bombs are in America. Seriously, more than ten of you guys have already commented on how much Europe doesn't care about cursing. Think it's enough? people say it because it's true... we don't have a secret club where we plan to all post it at the same time
Not that I don't agree, but ''people say it because it's true'' is a bit of a weird analogy. ''People'' also say Black people are inferior to white people, which obv isn't true.
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On August 08 2013 02:02 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 02:00 Cinim wrote:
Well, you cant blame that all on voidrays, but anyone has to be an outright fool to not agree with the fact that voidrays are really strong.
They aren't just strong because of more damage since WoL, but because of the fact that voidrays are currently the only air units that don't require any micro skills whatsoever, making them insanely easy to use. Naniwa had DECENT force fields, but nothing that impressive honestly, especially considering that he only had to micro the sentries.
Naniwa didn't play that much better, and if voidrays were "fixed" it would certainly be a lot closer.
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Void rays are strong, mostly because they don't require any micro. I disagree completely. Naniwa only opponent in that series was himself, he should had won 2-0 easily but he seems to have mental issues when it comes to ro 16 of WCS.
You overrate Naniwa so much, and underrate Tefel at the same time. Tefel is a very good player, and reacted very well to what Naniwa was doing in that game. Granted he took a few bad positions in engagements he shouldn't maybe won in, but naniwa played to about the same standard as he normally played in, it's not as if his performance was sub-par his normal standards.
Honestly I think you're just a huge fan of him, and mistakenly rating him completely wrong.
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