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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 10 2013 08:49 GMT
#1301
On August 10 2013 17:49 scCassius wrote:
that stat on gom is wrong, what about roro


Who is Roro
AdministratorBreak the chains
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 08:50:11
August 10 2013 08:49 GMT
#1302
On August 10 2013 17:46 Raambo11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 17:45 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:41 Raambo11 wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:39 Sabu113 wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:37 Raambo11 wrote:
Blows my mind all Korean Protoss don't play this way instead of going for gimmicky builds, rain basically just sat in his base macroing up a deathball and won. Why anyone thinks Protoss is supposed to be played a different way is beyond me, its almost unbeatable.


That's because Rain is simply better than every toss by a significant amount. His control, multitasking and most importantly positioning make him such a tough nut to crack.


Most Protoss could have done that exact game rain just played, at least the ones in Korea. Most korean protoss easily have the mechanics to play that style. In fact, going for any aggression as protoss can be more taxing mechanically. He literally sat in his base just macroing up, never had to defend against any drops because his build was airtight with the late 3rd base.


Is that why Rain was the only protoss to win a PvT in Ro32?


Your missing the point, I'm not saying every protoss does it, I'm saying they could and they should. Instead they chose gimmicky builds a lot of the time that have a much lower success rate than playing this lategame style where you turtle into an army advantage.

Its not a coincidence he was the only person to play like this and get past the ro32

You are severely underestimating the positioning, scouting and reading your opponent that it takes to be as safe as Rain. There are no other Protosses right now that play that well in macro games.
Get off my lawn, young punks
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
August 10 2013 08:50 GMT
#1303
On August 10 2013 17:48 Hryul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 17:43 NarutO wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:41 Hryul wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:39 NarutO wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:37 Raambo11 wrote:
Blows my mind all Korean Protoss don't play this way instead of going for gimmicky builds, rain basically just sat in his base macroing up a deathball and won. Why anyone thinks Protoss is supposed to be played a different way is beyond me, its almost unbeatable.


The hard call is on Terrans part. I am on Teamspeak with several Protoss - no one could clearly tell if its a super safe macro build or a timing. Its that hard to make that call, even if you have complete information. I believe Maru should take the risk and go piss greedy, because other than that, he will not win vs a super safe rain.

given the fact that rain even took a 4th i thought it's super safe macro.


Oh you are smart, so after he took his 3rd and then 4th you called its a macrogame? The crucial time is before he takes his third. The difference between an allin timing and safe macro really is just +2 / +3 gates or the nexus. Before he puts down the 3rd nexus, you cannot know. Thats the hard part. Obviously if he puts it down at 13:30 its macro, but how the hell do you know beforehand.

As mentioned, the correct response would be greed / early 3rd and 4th for Terran but he will hit the timing if he spots it.

i'm sorry. i haven't slept this night. I thought you were talking about a 3base timing. haven't seen 2base timings on progames in a while.


Better go sleep, need to cheer for Hasu vs MMA!
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
August 10 2013 08:50 GMT
#1304
Poll: 3DS or PSVita

I'm a Nintenyearold. (12)
 
44%

STARCRAFT!!! (12)
 
44%

I'm a Son***** (3)
 
11%

27 total votes

Your vote: 3DS or PSVita

(Vote): I'm a Nintenyearold.
(Vote): I'm a Son*****
(Vote): STARCRAFT!!!

The Bomber boy
HotGlueGun
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1409 Posts
August 10 2013 08:50 GMT
#1305
If Maru plays standard again im going to bed. I stayed up to watch Rain crush some all-ins damnit
Don't hoot with the Owls at night if you cant soar with the Eagles at dawn.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
August 10 2013 08:50 GMT
#1306
Maru will bounce back. He has a lot of stuff planned for Rain and his fans.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 10 2013 08:50 GMT
#1307
MKP is his coach? Well it's over guys. Congratulations Rain.
Moderator
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
August 10 2013 08:50 GMT
#1308
On August 10 2013 17:48 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 17:47 EpiK wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:45 Dodgin wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:43 Waxangel wrote:
I'm sorry that your personal enjoyment of the event is predicated on how others enjoy it


welcome to esports

bw didn't have that issue


because the western community accepted right from the get go that it was going to be small, sc2 is completely different and in a completely different age of expectations.


I wish every event from day 1 had just hid the viewer count, a lot of early MLG's we didn't get this cos we had no idea.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
August 10 2013 08:50 GMT
#1309
On August 10 2013 17:49 JDI1 wrote:
Truly SC2 with condoms. 3rd base at > 13 min mark, after 4 colossi and storm tech started? Vs lesser terrans toss can go for ~11 min 3rd with 2-3 colossi and then go into twilight tech and that's considered safe, but what Rain did was even more bulletproof than that, I don't know what terran can do do cripple him tbh except mass drops with perfect multitasking as well.


Play really greedy? Can't they do that? Go easy on me but my knowledge of TvP is pretty shitty.
maru lover forever
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 10 2013 08:50 GMT
#1310
On August 10 2013 17:49 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 17:46 Dodgin wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:45 DJHelium wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:43 Dodgin wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:43 DJHelium wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:40 Dodgin wrote:
hold in your tears for a bit longer terran and maru fans, it will soon be over.


Wanna bet? I'm thinking something for our sigs...!?


I'm willing to make this bet


Ok! I'm thinking something along the lines of: "Maru is my MarinePrince ♥" if Maru wins this match.


I'll do it, and I'm so confident that I won't even ask you to do anything in return if Rain wins.


You are ruining the fun! Hit me!



Alright, I want you to change your team tag to SKT and make your sig " I love Bisu, he is the greatest bonjwa to ever exist "
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 10 2013 08:50 GMT
#1311
On August 10 2013 17:49 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 17:48 6NR wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:45 Noonius wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:44 6NR wrote:
I see 4-0


if Rain wins the 2nd map, then yes


Which he can


I see Rain 3-0 into Maru 4-3


may I get some of them good drugs you're on I need a good pick-me-up

Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Entropy137
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada215 Posts
August 10 2013 08:50 GMT
#1312
Maru was playing very passively himself, taking a rather late third. Of course Rains third will look slower than standard in response to that.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 10 2013 08:50 GMT
#1313
On August 10 2013 17:50 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 17:48 Hryul wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:43 NarutO wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:41 Hryul wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:39 NarutO wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:37 Raambo11 wrote:
Blows my mind all Korean Protoss don't play this way instead of going for gimmicky builds, rain basically just sat in his base macroing up a deathball and won. Why anyone thinks Protoss is supposed to be played a different way is beyond me, its almost unbeatable.


The hard call is on Terrans part. I am on Teamspeak with several Protoss - no one could clearly tell if its a super safe macro build or a timing. Its that hard to make that call, even if you have complete information. I believe Maru should take the risk and go piss greedy, because other than that, he will not win vs a super safe rain.

given the fact that rain even took a 4th i thought it's super safe macro.


Oh you are smart, so after he took his 3rd and then 4th you called its a macrogame? The crucial time is before he takes his third. The difference between an allin timing and safe macro really is just +2 / +3 gates or the nexus. Before he puts down the 3rd nexus, you cannot know. Thats the hard part. Obviously if he puts it down at 13:30 its macro, but how the hell do you know beforehand.

As mentioned, the correct response would be greed / early 3rd and 4th for Terran but he will hit the timing if he spots it.

i'm sorry. i haven't slept this night. I thought you were talking about a 3base timing. haven't seen 2base timings on progames in a while.


Better go sleep, need to cheer for Hasu vs MMA!


And that will take time.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
scCassius
Profile Joined March 2011
United States254 Posts
August 10 2013 08:50 GMT
#1314
On August 10 2013 17:49 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 17:49 scCassius wrote:
that stat on gom is wrong, what about roro


Who is Roro


fuck ur sig
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
August 10 2013 08:50 GMT
#1315
--- Nuked ---
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
August 10 2013 08:51 GMT
#1316
On August 10 2013 17:46 KristofferAG wrote:
That's a pretty long break after just a single game...


tv commercials bro
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
August 10 2013 08:51 GMT
#1317
Dat worn-out collar, someone fund prime fast.
Michael Probu
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
August 10 2013 08:51 GMT
#1318
On August 10 2013 17:50 Noonius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 17:49 Zealously wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:48 6NR wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:45 Noonius wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:44 6NR wrote:
I see 4-0


if Rain wins the 2nd map, then yes


Which he can


I see Rain 3-0 into Maru 4-3


may I get some of them good drugs you're on I need a good pick-me-up


He's a Life fan what else would you expect?
Moderatorlickypiddy
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11112 Posts
August 10 2013 08:51 GMT
#1319
On August 10 2013 17:49 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 17:48 6NR wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:45 Noonius wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:44 6NR wrote:
I see 4-0


if Rain wins the 2nd map, then yes


Which he can


I see Rain 3-0 into Maru 4-3


I want some of what you're on. Maru has as much chance of winning three games as Liquid has of winning the international.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Buchan
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada184 Posts
August 10 2013 08:51 GMT
#1320
On August 10 2013 17:43 mongoose22 wrote:
Am I the only one who finds it humorous that so many are clamoring for cheese, considering that anyone who cheeses in matches is normally panned with equal fervor?
If Maru doesn't cheese this is going to be the most boring 4:0 finals ever. Thats why we want him to cheese.
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