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6NR
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1472 Posts
August 10 2013 08:48 GMT
#1281
On August 10 2013 17:45 Noonius wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:44 6NR wrote:
I see 4-0


if Rain wins the 2nd map, then yes


Which he can
A Wild Sosd
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia421 Posts
August 10 2013 08:48 GMT
#1282
dat maru cute face
Bomber | TaeJa | Life | Scarlett I Twitter: @SosdSC2
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 10 2013 08:48 GMT
#1283
On August 10 2013 17:47 EpiK wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:45 Dodgin wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:43 Waxangel wrote:
I'm sorry that your personal enjoyment of the event is predicated on how others enjoy it


welcome to esports

bw didn't have that issue


because the western community accepted right from the get go that it was going to be small, sc2 is completely different and in a completely different age of expectations.
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
August 10 2013 08:48 GMT
#1284
On August 10 2013 17:46 Raambo11 wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:45 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:41 Raambo11 wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:39 Sabu113 wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:37 Raambo11 wrote:
Blows my mind all Korean Protoss don't play this way instead of going for gimmicky builds, rain basically just sat in his base macroing up a deathball and won. Why anyone thinks Protoss is supposed to be played a different way is beyond me, its almost unbeatable.


That's because Rain is simply better than every toss by a significant amount. His control, multitasking and most importantly positioning make him such a tough nut to crack.


Most Protoss could have done that exact game rain just played, at least the ones in Korea. Most korean protoss easily have the mechanics to play that style. In fact, going for any aggression as protoss can be more taxing mechanically. He literally sat in his base just macroing up, never had to defend against any drops because his build was airtight with the late 3rd base.


Is that why Rain was the only protoss to win a PvT in Ro32?


Your missing the point, I'm not saying every protoss does it, I'm saying they could and they should. Instead they chose gimmicky builds a lot of the time that have a much lower success rate than playing this lategame style where you turtle into an army advantage.

Its not a coincidence he was the only person to play like this and get past the ro32


You say that like every Protoss can easily do what Rain does. It's not as easy as Rain makes it look, especially at their level of competition.
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
August 10 2013 08:48 GMT
#1285
On August 10 2013 17:43 NarutO wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:41 Hryul wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:39 NarutO wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:37 Raambo11 wrote:
Blows my mind all Korean Protoss don't play this way instead of going for gimmicky builds, rain basically just sat in his base macroing up a deathball and won. Why anyone thinks Protoss is supposed to be played a different way is beyond me, its almost unbeatable.


The hard call is on Terrans part. I am on Teamspeak with several Protoss - no one could clearly tell if its a super safe macro build or a timing. Its that hard to make that call, even if you have complete information. I believe Maru should take the risk and go piss greedy, because other than that, he will not win vs a super safe rain.

given the fact that rain even took a 4th i thought it's super safe macro.


Oh you are smart, so after he took his 3rd and then 4th you called its a macrogame? The crucial time is before he takes his third. The difference between an allin timing and safe macro really is just +2 / +3 gates or the nexus. Before he puts down the 3rd nexus, you cannot know. Thats the hard part. Obviously if he puts it down at 13:30 its macro, but how the hell do you know beforehand.

As mentioned, the correct response would be greed / early 3rd and 4th for Terran but he will hit the timing if he spots it.

i'm sorry. i haven't slept this night. I thought you were talking about a 3base timing. haven't seen 2base timings on progames in a while.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
Sakkreth
Profile Joined February 2011
Lithuania1096 Posts
August 10 2013 08:48 GMT
#1286
[QUOTE]On August 10 2013 17:46 Raambo11 wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 10 2013 17:45 Nebuchad wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 10 2013 17:41 Raambo11 wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 10 2013 17:39 Sabu113 wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 10 2013 17:37 Raambo11 wrote:
Blows my mind all Korean Protoss don't play this way instead of going for gimmicky builds, rain basically just sat in his base macroing up a deathball and won. Why anyone thinks Protoss is supposed to be played a different way is beyond me, its almost unbeatable. [/QUOTE]

That's because Rain is simply better than every toss by a significant amount. His control, multitasking and most importantly positioning make him such a tough nut to crack. [/QUOTE]

Most Protoss could have done that exact game rain just played, at least the ones in Korea. Most korean protoss easily have the mechanics to play that style. In fact, going for any aggression as protoss can be more taxing mechanically. He literally sat in his base just macroing up, never had to defend against any drops because his build was airtight with the late 3rd base.[/QUOTE]

Is that why Rain was the only protoss to win a PvT in Ro32?
[/QUOTE]

Your missing the point, I'm not saying every protoss does it, I'm saying they could and they should. Instead they chose gimmicky builds a lot of the time that have a much lower success rate than playing this lategame style where you turtle into an army advantage.

Its not a coincidence he was the only person to play like this and get past the ro32[/QUOTE]

Yes becasue he's the only one capable to do it successfully.

WhiteRa, NaNiWa, Creator, sOs, Krr, ForGG, MMA, Zest ||
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
August 10 2013 08:48 GMT
#1287
man i love marus micro
Maruprime.
iX7
Profile Joined June 2013
32 Posts
August 10 2013 08:48 GMT
#1288
crazy poster. maru looks too short
below66
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1761 Posts
August 10 2013 08:49 GMT
#1289
Game 2, 'CMON MARU.
JDI1
Profile Joined December 2010
United States69 Posts
August 10 2013 08:49 GMT
#1290
Truly SC2 with condoms. 3rd base at > 13 min mark, after 4 colossi and storm tech started? Vs lesser terrans toss can go for ~11 min 3rd with 2-3 colossi and then go into twilight tech and that's considered safe, but what Rain did was even more bulletproof than that, I don't know what terran can do do cripple him tbh except mass drops with perfect multitasking as well.
scCassius
Profile Joined March 2011
United States254 Posts
August 10 2013 08:49 GMT
#1291
that stat on gom is wrong, what about roro
NaldoR
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore2198 Posts
August 10 2013 08:49 GMT
#1292
On August 10 2013 17:46 Wormi wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:39 SaberNodoka wrote:
The numbers are really low, 16k at gom, 11k at ogn.


it´s about 3am in the usa and 11am in europe

True but the timing has always been as such.
so... SC2 has lower numbers now. It is a fact we all have to deal with until something is done
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
August 10 2013 08:49 GMT
#1293
On August 10 2013 17:46 Dodgin wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:45 DJHelium wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:43 Dodgin wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:43 DJHelium wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:40 Dodgin wrote:
hold in your tears for a bit longer terran and maru fans, it will soon be over.


Wanna bet? I'm thinking something for our sigs...!?


I'm willing to make this bet


Ok! I'm thinking something along the lines of: "Maru is my MarinePrince ♥" if Maru wins this match.


I'll do it, and I'm so confident that I won't even ask you to do anything in return if Rain wins.


You are ruining the fun! Hit me!

#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 10 2013 08:49 GMT
#1294
On August 10 2013 17:48 6NR wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:45 Noonius wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:44 6NR wrote:
I see 4-0


if Rain wins the 2nd map, then yes


Which he can


I see Rain 3-0 into Maru 4-3
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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 10 2013 08:49 GMT
#1295
the breaks between games are longer than the games itself
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
August 10 2013 08:49 GMT
#1296
On August 10 2013 17:47 Arceus wrote:
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On August 10 2013 17:46 Wintex wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:42 Stanlot wrote:
Buy a 3DS, guys.

Sorry, psvita or psp with FF7 8 and 9 is too good.

thats 2 of like 10 good games these systems would have in their whole life cycle
#Nintendo4life

Game system? What?

#PCMasterRace
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
August 10 2013 08:49 GMT
#1297
On August 10 2013 17:47 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Maru played straight up Macro into a map that favors turtling Protoss. So the Protoss turtled hard. Not too much of a surprise there. The game was on Maru to do something, but he had Ghost out too late and didn't make sure to keep the Pylons clear around the map.

I think this series is going 6 games, but Maru will need to up the aggression on the turtle-favoring maps if he wants to force Rain out from his safety net.


Hmm sorry but that doesn't make much sense to me. Up the aggression on turtle-favoring maps?
If anything he should play as greedy as he can.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12533 Posts
August 10 2013 08:49 GMT
#1298
On August 10 2013 17:43 Waxangel wrote:
I'm sorry that your personal enjoyment of the event is predicated on how others enjoy it


Well TL does have an effect on how we enjoy games, tbh. It's hard to feel as good about a win when every scrub in the world comes here to tell how Rain is nothing special and everyone and their mother could have done it.
No will to live, no wish to die
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
August 10 2013 08:49 GMT
#1299
Maru begging for his life in chat.
6NR
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1472 Posts
August 10 2013 08:49 GMT
#1300
Here no
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