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PerSe
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom550 Posts
August 04 2013 20:46 GMT
#3941
WJstars wouldn't have put SK on whirlwind if they didn't think SK could beat Innovation.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 23:20:14
August 04 2013 23:19 GMT
#3942
On August 05 2013 05:46 PerSe wrote:
WJstars wouldn't have put SK on whirlwind if they didn't think SK could beat Innovation.

well, he certainly can beat him. he just didnt... when it mattered the most. kinda sweet revenge for the brutal reverse sweep that inno suffered at the hands of sk.

in a bo99, i think that soulkey would win about 35% of the matches.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 04 2013 23:44 GMT
#3943
On August 04 2013 04:52 DidYuhim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 04:47 BigFan wrote:
On August 04 2013 04:39 nimdil wrote:
On August 04 2013 04:21 Lock0n wrote:
On August 04 2013 04:13 schaf wrote:
On August 04 2013 04:03 Tachion wrote:
That Soulkey vs innovation game made me pretty despondent about the state of Innovation v Z, but it seems like Soulkey missed a ton of opportunities to flank. He kept chasing Inno down the ramp and gave him as much room as he wanted to kite and split, I think he could have taken the engagements better if he swung around the side and sandwiched him a few times. Still hope!


On the other hand, with whom can you practice Zerg vs Innovation?


SK practiced with Flash before the GSL finals. However, it seems like Flash doesn't have the same level of understanding in the TvZ and TvP matchups as Innovation, but mechanically is just as good.

In SC:BW there was an option to play one side by two players. That's how BoxeR practiced some matchup (TvT?) before his first OSL. Obviously this way his opponent had pretty much perfect Macro and Micro (two progamers playing together one side) and was always beating him but that would make practicing against INnoVation possible. I wonder if you can do that in SC2 (maybe custom map?)

There are custom maps where you can focus on only macro or micro so he can use those.

I think he implies BoxeR was playing 1v2.

he was asking if there was a custom map in SCII like in BW and I've played on it before so the answer was ya, there is lol.

Finally watched the vods. Damn, game 2 and 5 were amazing! I really thought Soulkey had it when he wiped > 20 SCVs of Innovation with his early sling/bane attack on the exp and the slings attack on the 3rd, guess not lol. He shouldn't have let Innovation stabilize. Once he manages to stop the aattacks and attack himself, it was downhill because he engaged on ramps and micro'd like there's no tommorrow. SK should've sandwiched his army on the ramp but he kept attacking a choke with widow mines. What did he think was going to happen if all his units are bunched up? Early on, a widow mine hit > 10 slings so I think that helped Innovation greatly.

Game 5 though, wow. I was speechless. At one point, I was confident that Trap got it when he ff'd the ramp but ZerO's surround stopped that and he managed to hold on. Then Trap made that other attack and took out the hatchery but ZerO held in there and kept posing a threat. Had he gotten ultralisks, I think he might've won that. Heck, I thought ZerO almost got it when Trap lost several colossi and his tempests etc... Still a bit disappointed that ZerO lost but I think he's someone that will rise up to rival SK because his game was still very impressive. Also, seems like Trap is a monster in vZ just like Innovation is in vZ lol.

Great finals in all, good fun. Loved the back and forth action especially those two games (and one more I can't remember lol). Can't wait for next season! :D
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
August 05 2013 00:25 GMT
#3944
On August 05 2013 08:44 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 04:52 DidYuhim wrote:
On August 04 2013 04:47 BigFan wrote:
On August 04 2013 04:39 nimdil wrote:
On August 04 2013 04:21 Lock0n wrote:
On August 04 2013 04:13 schaf wrote:
On August 04 2013 04:03 Tachion wrote:
That Soulkey vs innovation game made me pretty despondent about the state of Innovation v Z, but it seems like Soulkey missed a ton of opportunities to flank. He kept chasing Inno down the ramp and gave him as much room as he wanted to kite and split, I think he could have taken the engagements better if he swung around the side and sandwiched him a few times. Still hope!


On the other hand, with whom can you practice Zerg vs Innovation?


SK practiced with Flash before the GSL finals. However, it seems like Flash doesn't have the same level of understanding in the TvZ and TvP matchups as Innovation, but mechanically is just as good.

In SC:BW there was an option to play one side by two players. That's how BoxeR practiced some matchup (TvT?) before his first OSL. Obviously this way his opponent had pretty much perfect Macro and Micro (two progamers playing together one side) and was always beating him but that would make practicing against INnoVation possible. I wonder if you can do that in SC2 (maybe custom map?)

There are custom maps where you can focus on only macro or micro so he can use those.

I think he implies BoxeR was playing 1v2.

he was asking if there was a custom map in SCII like in BW and I've played on it before so the answer was ya, there is lol.

Finally watched the vods. Damn, game 2 and 5 were amazing! I really thought Soulkey had it when he wiped > 20 SCVs of Innovation with his early sling/bane attack on the exp and the slings attack on the 3rd, guess not lol. He shouldn't have let Innovation stabilize. Once he manages to stop the aattacks and attack himself, it was downhill because he engaged on ramps and micro'd like there's no tommorrow. SK should've sandwiched his army on the ramp but he kept attacking a choke with widow mines. What did he think was going to happen if all his units are bunched up? Early on, a widow mine hit > 10 slings so I think that helped Innovation greatly.

Game 5 though, wow. I was speechless. At one point, I was confident that Trap got it when he ff'd the ramp but ZerO's surround stopped that and he managed to hold on. Then Trap made that other attack and took out the hatchery but ZerO held in there and kept posing a threat. Had he gotten ultralisks, I think he might've won that. Heck, I thought ZerO almost got it when Trap lost several colossi and his tempests etc... Still a bit disappointed that ZerO lost but I think he's someone that will rise up to rival SK because his game was still very impressive. Also, seems like Trap is a monster in vZ just like Innovation is in vZ lol.

Great finals in all, good fun. Loved the back and forth action especially those two games (and one more I can't remember lol). Can't wait for next season! :D

STX has hyvaa to practice with, of course all of their vZ is very good!
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olof
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden254 Posts
August 05 2013 01:01 GMT
#3945
Wow...I have waited for these finals for some years now...
hi man O_O
P7GAB
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada486 Posts
August 05 2013 03:52 GMT
#3946
wow game 5 was insane
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
August 05 2013 07:36 GMT
#3947
On August 04 2013 10:00 juicyjames wrote:
I demand an LG-IM vs STX SouL showmatch!

It would be PvPvPvPvP showmatch
@taefoxy
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
August 05 2013 08:51 GMT
#3948
Aww well done STX Soul, could quite potentially have just won the SPL and not be in next year due to disbanding? Or will this make them get a sponsor easier?
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 05 2013 08:59 GMT
#3949
On August 05 2013 17:51 Pandemona wrote:
Aww well done STX Soul, could quite potentially have just won the SPL and not be in next year due to disbanding? Or will this make them get a sponsor easier?


The coach announced that STX will continue to sponsor the sc2 team for the next season after the finals.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
August 05 2013 09:04 GMT
#3950
Ohhh nice. Thats a nice ending for the SPL Champions :D
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
August 05 2013 14:13 GMT
#3951
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 15:25:33
August 05 2013 15:22 GMT
#3952
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On August 04 2013 23:52 mjuuy wrote:
Really like the cast, you've improved a lot SMN & whiplash. Good final.

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On August 04 2013 02:23 larse wrote:
Photos:

http://pgr21.com/pb/pb.php?id=gamenews&no=5687

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but not for losing against IdrA kekeeke


She wished she were there... That's sad.

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#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
August 06 2013 05:41 GMT
#3953
FUCK YEAH STX SOUL
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
August 07 2013 07:43 GMT
#3954
I know this might be too much to ask with the death of BW and Proleague getting absolutely zero attention but still: is there really no article about the finals/concluded 1 year long season yet?
Michael Probu
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 07 2013 07:46 GMT
#3955
On August 07 2013 16:43 juvenal wrote:
I know this might be too much to ask with the death of BW and Proleague getting absolutely zero attention but still: is there really no article about the finals/concluded 1 year long season yet?


there's no official recap yet no
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
August 07 2013 07:54 GMT
#3956
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP BUMPING THIS
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 07 2013 07:54 GMT
#3957
On August 07 2013 16:54 lichter wrote:
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP BUMPING THIS


We should bump an awesome thread to compensate

2012 s2 finals?!
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
August 07 2013 07:54 GMT
#3958
On August 07 2013 16:54 lichter wrote:
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP BUMPING THIS

Sincerely sorry
Michael Probu
`sawyer
Profile Joined June 2014
210 Posts
August 04 2014 17:38 GMT
#3959
great games!!
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
August 04 2014 17:40 GMT
#3960
lmao the necro
¯\_(シ)_/¯
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