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never_Nal
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica676 Posts
July 30 2013 04:23 GMT
#81
Beauty transition into hydras instead of the 2 carapace
Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 30 2013 04:23 GMT
#82
On July 30 2013 13:21 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 13:16 stuchiu wrote:
On July 30 2013 13:12 AgentW wrote:
On July 30 2013 13:10 stuchiu wrote:
On July 30 2013 13:09 AgentW wrote:
On July 30 2013 13:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Don't like Yugioh's choice of build here
I feel like we see this fail more often than succeed these days.

Agreed, I feel it hits too late without enough lings to do much. Can straight 10 pool get some free wins?


Only against hatch first. Straight 10 pool is either even or slightly behind against pool hatch.

Based on that game alone (which is a horrible way to asses a build, but I'm going to do it anyway), how is it any worse than the build YuGiOh just did then?


Yugioh's build is a HARD counter against hatch first. It takes extreme skill (Like Leenock) to hold. 10 pool is a nice counter, but most top level zergs generally come out just behind or slightly behind.

So he basically metagamed and lost?

Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 13:17 IntoTheheart wrote:
On July 30 2013 13:15 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On July 30 2013 13:15 IntoTheheart wrote:
Wait... Shellshock do you have the most posts in the entirety of TL?

no Konadora has the most

For now...

Give it two weeks.

What's gotten into Sleep lately? Guy has lit Code A on fire.


Yea, just a gamble. Sometimes you just have to show your opponent and the world you are willing to do literally anything so they don't randomly cut a corner on you. For example, Protosses cut corners all the time against players like Hyun, Jaedong, and Soulkey. But you don't see one Protoss cut a corner against Hyvaa or Shine ever.
Moderator
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
July 30 2013 04:23 GMT
#83
On July 30 2013 13:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Sleep has had great ZvZ for a long time. YuGiOh didn't have a chance.

eh Yugioh has pretty good ZvZ.
Moderatorlickypiddy
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 30 2013 04:24 GMT
#84
why did yugioh throw so hard...had his 3rd up way faster but kept attacking into spine crawler + queen support. I picked sleep but expected a better fight.
I come in for the scraps
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 04:26:23
July 30 2013 04:24 GMT
#85
On July 30 2013 13:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Sleep has had great ZvZ for a long time. YuGiOh didn't have a chance.

??

       (1542) Trap  0-0  YongHwa (1689)    
-------------------------------------------
18.93% 2-0 0-2 31.92%
21.39% 2-1 1-2 27.77%
-------------------------------------------
40.31% 59.69%

Median outcome: Trap 1-2 YongHwa
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

Yonghwa's always been a PvP monster, but I think this should be closer than the prediction indicates.

EDIT: Yonghwa's weakest matchup is PvP by a significant margin in HotS. Trap just seems to be lacking some data.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 30 2013 04:24 GMT
#86
God dammit YugiOh
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
July 30 2013 04:25 GMT
#87
On July 30 2013 13:15 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 13:15 IntoTheheart wrote:
Wait... Shellshock do you have the most posts in the entirety of TL?

no Konadora has the most

you'll have the most soon if you keep up you're posting.
Moderatorlickypiddy
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
July 30 2013 04:27 GMT
#88
DAMMIT TWITCH COMMERCIAL YOU CANNOT HAVE AN ERA AGAINST LEFTIES

Sorry, I had to get that off my chest.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17737 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 04:29:21
July 30 2013 04:28 GMT
#89
On July 30 2013 13:23 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 13:21 AgentW wrote:
On July 30 2013 13:16 stuchiu wrote:
On July 30 2013 13:12 AgentW wrote:
On July 30 2013 13:10 stuchiu wrote:
On July 30 2013 13:09 AgentW wrote:
On July 30 2013 13:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Don't like Yugioh's choice of build here
I feel like we see this fail more often than succeed these days.

Agreed, I feel it hits too late without enough lings to do much. Can straight 10 pool get some free wins?


Only against hatch first. Straight 10 pool is either even or slightly behind against pool hatch.

Based on that game alone (which is a horrible way to asses a build, but I'm going to do it anyway), how is it any worse than the build YuGiOh just did then?


Yugioh's build is a HARD counter against hatch first. It takes extreme skill (Like Leenock) to hold. 10 pool is a nice counter, but most top level zergs generally come out just behind or slightly behind.

So he basically metagamed and lost?

On July 30 2013 13:17 IntoTheheart wrote:
On July 30 2013 13:15 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On July 30 2013 13:15 IntoTheheart wrote:
Wait... Shellshock do you have the most posts in the entirety of TL?

no Konadora has the most

For now...

Give it two weeks.

What's gotten into Sleep lately? Guy has lit Code A on fire.


Yea, just a gamble. Sometimes you just have to show your opponent and the world you are willing to do literally anything so they don't randomly cut a corner on you. For example, Protosses cut corners all the time against players like Hyun, Jaedong, and Soulkey. But you don't see one Protoss cut a corner against Hyvaa or Shine ever.

First did cut a corner against Hyvaa lol, didn't turn out too well for First
"Expert" mods4ever.com
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 30 2013 04:29 GMT
#90
Last song?
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
mataxp
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Chile538 Posts
July 30 2013 04:29 GMT
#91
can anyone tell me the last song that was on the break?

thanks!
Liquid.Hero Startale.Bomber MVP.Dongraegu
scCassius
Profile Joined March 2011
United States254 Posts
July 30 2013 04:30 GMT
#92
Also wondering the last song, couldnt catch lyrics. I heard "I did it for you" and "dime" but other people were talking over the song.
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
July 30 2013 04:30 GMT
#93
On July 30 2013 13:29 GolemMadness wrote:
Last song?

On July 30 2013 13:29 mataxp wrote:
can anyone tell me the last song that was on the break?

thanks!

Empire of the Sun - Concert Pitch
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
July 30 2013 04:30 GMT
#94
On July 30 2013 13:24 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 13:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Sleep has had great ZvZ for a long time. YuGiOh didn't have a chance.

??

       (1542) Trap  0-0  YongHwa (1689)    
-------------------------------------------
18.93% 2-0 0-2 31.92%
21.39% 2-1 1-2 27.77%
-------------------------------------------
40.31% 59.69%

Median outcome: Trap 1-2 YongHwa
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

Yonghwa's always been a PvP monster, but I think this should be closer than the prediction indicates.

EDIT: Yonghwa's weakest matchup is PvP by a significant margin in HotS. Trap just seems to be lacking some data.


All his ZvZ games in HotS were solid and he was more than consistent back in WoL except towards the very end.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
July 30 2013 04:31 GMT
#95
On July 30 2013 13:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 13:24 AgentW wrote:
On July 30 2013 13:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Sleep has had great ZvZ for a long time. YuGiOh didn't have a chance.

??

       (1542) Trap  0-0  YongHwa (1689)    
-------------------------------------------
18.93% 2-0 0-2 31.92%
21.39% 2-1 1-2 27.77%
-------------------------------------------
40.31% 59.69%

Median outcome: Trap 1-2 YongHwa
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

Yonghwa's always been a PvP monster, but I think this should be closer than the prediction indicates.

EDIT: Yonghwa's weakest matchup is PvP by a significant margin in HotS. Trap just seems to be lacking some data.


All his ZvZ games in HotS were solid and he was more than consistent back in WoL except towards the very end.

Fair enough, but if you look at the data, his ZvZ is pretty middling (though this could very well be simply because of a lack of sufficient data to make reasonable conclusion).
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
mataxp
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Chile538 Posts
July 30 2013 04:36 GMT
#96
On July 30 2013 13:30 Elite_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 13:29 GolemMadness wrote:
Last song?

Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 13:29 mataxp wrote:
can anyone tell me the last song that was on the break?

thanks!

Empire of the Sun - Concert Pitch


I had a feeling it was them.

thanks a lot
Liquid.Hero Startale.Bomber MVP.Dongraegu
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
July 30 2013 04:36 GMT
#97
On July 30 2013 13:31 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 13:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 30 2013 13:24 AgentW wrote:
On July 30 2013 13:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Sleep has had great ZvZ for a long time. YuGiOh didn't have a chance.

??

       (1542) Trap  0-0  YongHwa (1689)    
-------------------------------------------
18.93% 2-0 0-2 31.92%
21.39% 2-1 1-2 27.77%
-------------------------------------------
40.31% 59.69%

Median outcome: Trap 1-2 YongHwa
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

Yonghwa's always been a PvP monster, but I think this should be closer than the prediction indicates.

EDIT: Yonghwa's weakest matchup is PvP by a significant margin in HotS. Trap just seems to be lacking some data.


All his ZvZ games in HotS were solid and he was more than consistent back in WoL except towards the very end.

Fair enough, but if you look at the data, his ZvZ is pretty middling (though this could very well be simply because of a lack of sufficient data to make reasonable conclusion).


Lack of sufficient data and not taking into account the quality of the games. In this case his ZvZ stats are not inflated by playing inferior competition.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
July 30 2013 04:37 GMT
#98
I'm surprised their build orders were nearly identical for 4 minutes. How rare is that in a PvP.
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 30 2013 04:37 GMT
#99
colossus. Now that's archaic.
Moderator
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
July 30 2013 04:38 GMT
#100
On July 30 2013 13:24 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 13:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Sleep has had great ZvZ for a long time. YuGiOh didn't have a chance.

??

       (1542) Trap  0-0  YongHwa (1689)    
-------------------------------------------
18.93% 2-0 0-2 31.92%
21.39% 2-1 1-2 27.77%
-------------------------------------------
40.31% 59.69%

Median outcome: Trap 1-2 YongHwa
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

Yonghwa's always been a PvP monster, but I think this should be closer than the prediction indicates.

EDIT: Yonghwa's weakest matchup is PvP by a significant margin in HotS. Trap just seems to be lacking some data.

Are you saying that a 60-40 prediction is not close? If I'm not mistaken, Aligulac labels all matches 55-45 or closer as virtually even.
jjakji fan
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