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Austria24420 Posts
On July 30 2013 15:28 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 15:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 15:24 liberate71 wrote:
So if Flash wins the next GSL, he can likely qualify for the World Finals yeh? or he'd have to do decent in the Season finals too?
The points system seems to favour 1st/2nd mostly.
Clearly Soulkey, HerO and Innovation are in Is HerO in? He fell out in the first round of WCS America T_T Soulkey and Innovation I guess are pretty safe bets. He's ranked 3rd overall at the moment. MVP/sOs close behind. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Standings
Yeah but you have to consider that a lot of WCS points from this season are still missing since the regions are still being played out. It would be a crying shame if he wasn't there, especially with how he's been playing
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I feel as if Flash could make it into the Grand Finals if he played in more international tournaments to really grab those WCS points.
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lol HyuN is in the top 16, almost entirely from non WCS events
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On July 30 2013 15:29 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 15:28 liberate71 wrote:On July 30 2013 15:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 15:24 liberate71 wrote:
So if Flash wins the next GSL, he can likely qualify for the World Finals yeh? or he'd have to do decent in the Season finals too?
The points system seems to favour 1st/2nd mostly.
Clearly Soulkey, HerO and Innovation are in Is HerO in? He fell out in the first round of WCS America T_T Soulkey and Innovation I guess are pretty safe bets. He's ranked 3rd overall at the moment. MVP/sOs close behind. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Standings Yeah but you have to consider that a lot of WCS points from this season are still missing since the regions are still being played out. It would be a crying shame if he wasn't there, especially with how he's been playing
Yeah this is true. I'd say he'll end up in the top 16 even if he flunks next season aswell.
Guess it depends on a lot of the other tournies and other placements of people like Dimaga, TLO, Stephano, Lucifron etc.
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On July 30 2013 15:29 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 15:28 liberate71 wrote:On July 30 2013 15:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 15:24 liberate71 wrote:
So if Flash wins the next GSL, he can likely qualify for the World Finals yeh? or he'd have to do decent in the Season finals too?
The points system seems to favour 1st/2nd mostly.
Clearly Soulkey, HerO and Innovation are in Is HerO in? He fell out in the first round of WCS America T_T Soulkey and Innovation I guess are pretty safe bets. He's ranked 3rd overall at the moment. MVP/sOs close behind. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Standings Yeah but you have to consider that a lot of WCS points from this season are still missing since the regions are still being played out. It would be a crying shame if he wasn't there, especially with how he's been playing
I wouldn't worry if I were you. He has more than twice as many points as the player ranked #14...
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On July 30 2013 15:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 15:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 15:24 liberate71 wrote:
So if Flash wins the next GSL, he can likely qualify for the World Finals yeh? or he'd have to do decent in the Season finals too?
The points system seems to favour 1st/2nd mostly.
Clearly Soulkey, HerO and Innovation are in Is HerO in? He fell out in the first round of WCS America T_T Soulkey and Innovation I guess are pretty safe bets. HerO is probably in he has a lot of points.
Someone should write a script that can somehow 'lock' people into the qualify based on the rest of the years point distribution.
I think Innovation and Soulkey are the only two, definitely Innovation.
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On July 30 2013 15:31 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 15:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 30 2013 15:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 15:24 liberate71 wrote:
So if Flash wins the next GSL, he can likely qualify for the World Finals yeh? or he'd have to do decent in the Season finals too?
The points system seems to favour 1st/2nd mostly.
Clearly Soulkey, HerO and Innovation are in Is HerO in? He fell out in the first round of WCS America T_T Soulkey and Innovation I guess are pretty safe bets. HerO is probably in he has a lot of points. Someone should write a script that can somehow 'lock' people into the qualify based on the rest of the years point distribution. I think Innovation and Soulkey are the only two, definitely Innovation.
Maybe MVP if he can win the WCS EU.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 30 2013 15:31 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 15:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 30 2013 15:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 15:24 liberate71 wrote:
So if Flash wins the next GSL, he can likely qualify for the World Finals yeh? or he'd have to do decent in the Season finals too?
The points system seems to favour 1st/2nd mostly.
Clearly Soulkey, HerO and Innovation are in Is HerO in? He fell out in the first round of WCS America T_T Soulkey and Innovation I guess are pretty safe bets. HerO is probably in he has a lot of points. Someone should write a script that can somehow 'lock' people into the qualify based on the rest of the years point distribution. I think Innovation and Soulkey are the only two, definitely Innovation.
Impossible to do unless we get a schedule for all the remaining non-WCS events and their points allocations.
It's actually not that hard to do but kinda tedious to write
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I'm totally rooting for Flash til the finals!
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Is there point decay in the wcs? I'd assume there is but it is blizzard...
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On July 30 2013 15:31 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 15:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 30 2013 15:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 15:24 liberate71 wrote:
So if Flash wins the next GSL, he can likely qualify for the World Finals yeh? or he'd have to do decent in the Season finals too?
The points system seems to favour 1st/2nd mostly.
Clearly Soulkey, HerO and Innovation are in Is HerO in? He fell out in the first round of WCS America T_T Soulkey and Innovation I guess are pretty safe bets. HerO is probably in he has a lot of points. Someone should write a script that can somehow 'lock' people into the qualify based on the rest of the years point distribution. I think Innovation and Soulkey are the only two, definitely Innovation.
I think due to the number of players and tournaments, that type of script would be very complex. Although almost every player is still mathematically a possibility at this point, we have to remember that if one of the top players Innovation/Soulkey/Mvp etc wins KR/EU and also does well in Global S2, they take a lot of points off the table.
If I had to guess, the qualifying cut-off will be around 3500-4000 points.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 30 2013 15:39 bo1b wrote:
Is there point decay in the wcs? I'd assume there is but it is blizzard...
I don't think there should be point decay within one year of WCS, since the purpose is to have the most consistent players as well as the champions of each season ideally at Blizzcon. They will probably apply decay for previous years once we get to WCS Year 2
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On July 30 2013 15:32 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 15:31 liberate71 wrote:On July 30 2013 15:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 30 2013 15:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 15:24 liberate71 wrote:
So if Flash wins the next GSL, he can likely qualify for the World Finals yeh? or he'd have to do decent in the Season finals too?
The points system seems to favour 1st/2nd mostly.
Clearly Soulkey, HerO and Innovation are in Is HerO in? He fell out in the first round of WCS America T_T Soulkey and Innovation I guess are pretty safe bets. HerO is probably in he has a lot of points. Someone should write a script that can somehow 'lock' people into the qualify based on the rest of the years point distribution. I think Innovation and Soulkey are the only two, definitely Innovation. Maybe MVP if he can when he wins the WCS EU.
Fixed that for you  But in all seriousness, #2-5 are only separated by 500 points, they all have a pretty good shot at making it considering they're all basically double the bottom of the qualifying list, although with how much further along WCS Korea is in their tourny, there's obviously a bit of wiggle room.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 30 2013 15:39 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 15:31 liberate71 wrote:On July 30 2013 15:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 30 2013 15:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 15:24 liberate71 wrote:
So if Flash wins the next GSL, he can likely qualify for the World Finals yeh? or he'd have to do decent in the Season finals too?
The points system seems to favour 1st/2nd mostly.
Clearly Soulkey, HerO and Innovation are in Is HerO in? He fell out in the first round of WCS America T_T Soulkey and Innovation I guess are pretty safe bets. HerO is probably in he has a lot of points. Someone should write a script that can somehow 'lock' people into the qualify based on the rest of the years point distribution. I think Innovation and Soulkey are the only two, definitely Innovation. I think due to the number of players and tournaments, that type of script would be very complex. Although almost every player is still mathematically a possibility at this point, we have to remember that if one of the top players Innovation/Soulkey/Mvp etc wins KR/EU and also does well in Global S2, they take a lot of points off the table.
It'd be complex because of the number of players and tournaments yeah
You're not going to take into consideration possibilities or likely scenarios, just each person's best/worst possible scenario. Once a person has a worst possible scenario better than everyone but 15 other people's best case scenario, he gets locked into the grand finals.
The problem is updating it, since each person has different best/worst case scenarios. Each round changes things.
'Simple' in a way but really tedious to do. Won't be worth it until the backend of Season 3.
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On July 30 2013 15:42 Tibbroar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 15:32 IntoTheheart wrote:On July 30 2013 15:31 liberate71 wrote:On July 30 2013 15:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 30 2013 15:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 15:24 liberate71 wrote:
So if Flash wins the next GSL, he can likely qualify for the World Finals yeh? or he'd have to do decent in the Season finals too?
The points system seems to favour 1st/2nd mostly.
Clearly Soulkey, HerO and Innovation are in Is HerO in? He fell out in the first round of WCS America T_T Soulkey and Innovation I guess are pretty safe bets. HerO is probably in he has a lot of points. Someone should write a script that can somehow 'lock' people into the qualify based on the rest of the years point distribution. I think Innovation and Soulkey are the only two, definitely Innovation. Maybe MVP if he can when he wins the WCS EU. Fixed that for you But in all seriousness, #2-5 are only separated by 500 points, they all have a pretty good shot at making it considering they're all basically double the bottom of the qualifying list, although with how much further along WCS Korea is in their tourny, there's obviously a bit of wiggle room.
Thanks for the correction! :D
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On July 30 2013 15:39 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 15:31 liberate71 wrote:On July 30 2013 15:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 30 2013 15:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 15:24 liberate71 wrote:
So if Flash wins the next GSL, he can likely qualify for the World Finals yeh? or he'd have to do decent in the Season finals too?
The points system seems to favour 1st/2nd mostly.
Clearly Soulkey, HerO and Innovation are in Is HerO in? He fell out in the first round of WCS America T_T Soulkey and Innovation I guess are pretty safe bets. HerO is probably in he has a lot of points. Someone should write a script that can somehow 'lock' people into the qualify based on the rest of the years point distribution. I think Innovation and Soulkey are the only two, definitely Innovation. I think due to the number of players and tournaments, that type of script would be very complex. Although almost every player is still mathematically a possibility at this point, we have to remember that if one of the top players Innovation/Soulkey/Mvp etc wins KR/EU and also does well in Global S2, they take a lot of points off the table.
Unless I'm missing something, in order to determine if its mathematically possible for innovation to be knocked out, all you'd have to do is total the total number of available points for the rest of the year and divide by 16? If that number isn't greater then innovations current amount of points then it simply isn't possible for him to be knocked out.
edit: that assumes point distribution is equal :\ silly me :p
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On July 30 2013 15:43 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 15:39 vthree wrote:On July 30 2013 15:31 liberate71 wrote:On July 30 2013 15:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 30 2013 15:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 15:24 liberate71 wrote:
So if Flash wins the next GSL, he can likely qualify for the World Finals yeh? or he'd have to do decent in the Season finals too?
The points system seems to favour 1st/2nd mostly.
Clearly Soulkey, HerO and Innovation are in Is HerO in? He fell out in the first round of WCS America T_T Soulkey and Innovation I guess are pretty safe bets. HerO is probably in he has a lot of points. Someone should write a script that can somehow 'lock' people into the qualify based on the rest of the years point distribution. I think Innovation and Soulkey are the only two, definitely Innovation. I think due to the number of players and tournaments, that type of script would be very complex. Although almost every player is still mathematically a possibility at this point, we have to remember that if one of the top players Innovation/Soulkey/Mvp etc wins KR/EU and also does well in Global S2, they take a lot of points off the table. It'd be complex because of the number of players and tournaments yeah You're not going to take into consideration possibilities or likely scenarios, just each person's best/worst possible scenario. Once a person has a worst possible scenario better than everyone but 15 other people's best case scenario, he gets locked into the grand finals. The problem is updating it, since each person has different best/worst case scenarios. Each round changes things. 'Simple' in a way but really tedious to do. Won't be worth it until the backend of Season 3.
Yes, but even if you look at one 'season', anyone in the top division of NA/KR/EU CAN get 4,500 points + Tier 1 events. So we are looking at something like 7,500 points even if that person has 0 to begin the season. And only 1 person can get 4,500 in one season from WCS, the next person can only get 3,500 so that has to be taken into consideration as well. Again, too many possibilities.
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On July 30 2013 15:40 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 15:39 bo1b wrote:
Is there point decay in the wcs? I'd assume there is but it is blizzard... I don't think there should be point decay within one year of WCS, since the purpose is to have the most consistent players as well as the champions of each season ideally at Blizzcon. They will probably apply decay for previous years once we get to WCS Year 2
yupp like a 100% decay after the global finals that don't give you any points.
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On July 30 2013 15:47 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 15:39 vthree wrote:On July 30 2013 15:31 liberate71 wrote:On July 30 2013 15:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 30 2013 15:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 30 2013 15:24 liberate71 wrote:
So if Flash wins the next GSL, he can likely qualify for the World Finals yeh? or he'd have to do decent in the Season finals too?
The points system seems to favour 1st/2nd mostly.
Clearly Soulkey, HerO and Innovation are in Is HerO in? He fell out in the first round of WCS America T_T Soulkey and Innovation I guess are pretty safe bets. HerO is probably in he has a lot of points. Someone should write a script that can somehow 'lock' people into the qualify based on the rest of the years point distribution. I think Innovation and Soulkey are the only two, definitely Innovation. I think due to the number of players and tournaments, that type of script would be very complex. Although almost every player is still mathematically a possibility at this point, we have to remember that if one of the top players Innovation/Soulkey/Mvp etc wins KR/EU and also does well in Global S2, they take a lot of points off the table. Unless I'm missing something, in order to determine if its mathematically possible for innovation to be knocked out, all you'd have to do is total the total number of available points for the rest of the year and divide by 16? If that number isn't greater then innovations current amount of points then it simply isn't possible for him to be knocked out. edit: that assumes point distribution is equal :\ silly me :p
Not only that, you have to subtract the currently top 2-17 player points. The easiest way to see this is to set innovation as 0 and everyone else at -XXX
So the 17th player is Polt with 1575. He would be -3775 so he could over take Innovation (assuming Inno lose Ro4 and first round of Worlds lol) with WCS NA and Global wins (4,500 pts). But if we assume Polt does this to get ahead of Inno. The next person in NA could only get 3,000 (2nd NA, 2nd Global).
And this is not even counting season 3 and Tiered events. So yeah, it is still way too fair off to even try to calculate all the mathematically possibilities. Because if we assume different players will do well in regionals and worlds each season, the cut-off will become quite high, likely in the 5000s. But if a few of the same players do well in regionals and worlds, the cut-off becomes lower and lower.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
By Ro8 next season it should be possible to do.
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