EPTOn July 19 2013 02:06 opterown wrote:
2? IEM cologne? i don't really count WCS EU as one, it's only a few series.
2? IEM cologne? i don't really count WCS EU as one, it's only a few series.
Well if you wanna remove WCS EU then fine only 1/4
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Well if you wanna remove WCS EU then fine only 1/4 | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 19 2013 02:06 opterown wrote: 2? IEM cologne? i don't really count WCS EU as one, it's only a few series. majority of wcs eu is a weekend tournament, semis and finals are on the same day. | ||
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
On July 19 2013 02:01 opterown wrote: well to play devil's advocate, most of those were before his wrists got shot Doesn't matter, had | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
like, if his foreign tournament results are " bad " then almost everyone else's are worse. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2013 02:08 Dodgin wrote: majority of wcs eu is a weekend tournament, semis and finals are on the same day. the point was originally raised that mvp doesn't do as well with prep, and it was countered that he has plenty of weekend tourney wins as they don't involve prep. but WCS EU is only a few series so he can definitely prep for that, which is why i don't consider it a weekend tourney like MLG or IPL | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 19 2013 02:00 Kasaraki wrote: Wait.. It almost looks like... Mvp has won more Premier weekend tournaments than any other play! + Show Spoiler + It's some funny ones, but there's WCS EU S1 2013 (Offline playoffs), IEM Cologne, WCG, Blizzcon, MLG Anaheim. I didn't even realize it was the case, but it seems Mvp has more medals than MC, I figured MC would have more top 4's total because he went to every foreign tournament in 2012. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On July 19 2013 01:47 Gorlin wrote: Yeah that's why he could never win any weekend tournaments. Wait a second... That MLG was 2 years ago and he had relatively little competition at that IEM (which was a year ago anyway..) Code A is harder than WCS EU. My opinion is he wouldn't have qualified for Code A the past 2 times had he not gone to EU | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8304 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 19 2013 02:16 TommyP wrote: That MLG was 2 years ago and he had relatively little competition at that IEM oh, I'm disappointed. I thought you were making a waxangel joke. turns out you were actually serious and actually believe that  Mvp barely attends foreign tournaments, but when he does go he almost always wins or places top 4. in 2013 he went to the IEM world championship(top 4) MLG winter(16th) wcs season finals(top 4) I don't see how you can call that " terrible ". Code A is harder than WCS EU. My opinion is he wouldn't have qualified for Code A the past 2 times had he not gone to EU Code A qualifier is a joke these days, are you kidding me? lol | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On July 19 2013 02:20 Dodgin wrote: oh, I'm disappointed. I thought you were making a waxangel joke. turns out you were actually serious and actually believe that Mvp barely attends foreign tournaments, but when he does go he almost always wins or places top 4. in 2013 he went to the IEM world championship(top 4) MLG winter(16th) wcs season finals(top 4) I don't see how you can call that " terrible ". Code A qualifier is a joke these days, are you kidding me? lol You must have a different opinion than me or TommyP ... Code A is still very very good. I also think it's higher than WCS EU in skill. | ||
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
On July 19 2013 02:20 Dodgin wrote: oh, I'm disappointed. I thought you were making a waxangel joke. turns out you were actually serious and actually believe that Mvp barely attends foreign tournaments, but when he does go he almost always wins or places top 4. in 2013 he went to the IEM world championship(top 4) MLG winter(16th) wcs season finals(top 4) I don't see how you can call that " terrible ". Code A qualifier is a joke these days, are you kidding me? lol No but he did bad at that one HSC remember? He sucks. Actually, that HSC, MLG Winter Arena, and the HotS MLG this spring were the only major weekend tournaments that he didn't get top 4 at, unless I missed some. Though, I will concede that Mvp sucks dick at online events usually. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 19 2013 02:25 HolydaKing wrote: You must have a different opinion than me or TommyP ... Code A is still very very good. I also think it's higher than WCS EU in skill. Competing in Code A(making it past the first round) is indeed very good, and probably harder than WCS EU. I'm disagreeing about the qualifiers. I'm not sure if you guys have actually looked closely at the qualifier brackets for the past few seasons, but the brackets are really easy these days because there are fewer players competing for 22~ slots per season. This means that every bracket usually only has two known " good " players. In the WCS AM/EU qualifiers you have to win 6 bo3's in a row and there are only 8 spots to qualify for. JYP recently switched back to KR from AM after failing to qualify for AM Season 1 and he qualified for KR immediately. On July 19 2013 02:25 opterown wrote: you've made dodgin angry about mvp I'm not angry, more so flabbergasted that someone can have that opinion when looking objectively at results. It just screams ignorance to me. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On July 19 2013 02:25 HolydaKing wrote: You must have a different opinion than me or TommyP ... Code A is still very very good. I also think it's higher than WCS EU in skill. Code A is definitely hard but actually qualifying for it is rather easy(this is what he means) for someone like Mvp, you only have to play like 3 series usually, as lots of people no-show or the brackets are empty. On July 19 2013 02:01 opterown wrote: well to play devil's advocate, most of those were before his wrists got shot Pretty sure Mvp said he had wrist problems even back in 2011 ^^ then again it definitely wasn't as bad as it was in mid 2012. | ||
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
On July 19 2013 02:28 Dodgin wrote: I'm not angry, more so flabbergasted that someone can have that opinion when looking objectively at results. It just screams ignorance to me. Doubters gonna doubt, winners gonna win. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2013 02:28 Dodgin wrote: I'm not angry, more so flabbergasted that someone can have that opinion when looking objectively at results. It just screams ignorance to me. nah you wouldn't be nearly as indignant if it was someone else lol | ||
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habeck
1120 Posts
On July 19 2013 02:25 Gorlin wrote: No but he did bad at that one HSC remember? He sucks. Actually, that HSC, MLG Winter Arena, and the HotS MLG this spring were the only major weekend tournaments that he didn't get top 4 at, unless I missed some. Though, I will concede that Mvp sucks dick at online events usually. Yes Mvp is so bad, yet he still won WCS EU, and had close series with innovation. Mvp so bad | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 19 2013 02:37 opterown wrote: nah you wouldn't be nearly as indignant if it was someone else lol I would defend a lot of players, but if it was someone I didn't care about I probably wouldn't bother, that's true. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On July 19 2013 02:20 Dodgin wrote: oh, I'm disappointed. I thought you were making a waxangel joke. turns out you were actually serious and actually believe that Mvp barely attends foreign tournaments, but when he does go he almost always wins or places top 4. in 2013 he went to the IEM world championship(top 4) MLG winter(16th) wcs season finals(top 4) I don't see how you can call that " terrible ". I'm just talking about weekend tournaments btw. But Werrnt there only 32 people at MLG winter? Terrible was the wrong word be side he isn't wrinkle but I wouldn't say he's a top 40 player in Korea | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 19 2013 02:48 TommyP wrote: I'm just talking about weekend tournaments btw. But Werrnt there only 32 people at MLG winter? Terrible was the wrong word be side he isn't wrinkle but I wouldn't say he's a top 40 player in Korea are you typing incoherently on purpose? -_- yes MLG winter was 32 players I really don't care about how you rate him in korea, that's up to your opinion. what I do care about is making false blanket statements like " X is terrible at X " even though the evidence I just provided proves that wrong. I bet you couldn't even find a player with better weekend tournament results this year if you tried. edit: on second thought if we include WoL Life is definitely better, can't think of anyone else. or maybe losing to sjow and tlo at dreamhack erases the existence of his iron squid and MLG wins? all interesting questions. | ||
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