The new WCS America, now run by the North American Starleague (NASL), kicks off tonight starting with Group G. As it is rightful the man who ended the last WCS AM season by lifting the trophy, Liquid'HerO, will be playing the first game of the new Premier League season. HerO does not really require an introduction. Whether you're new to watching StarCraft 2 or a seasoned veteran, you've probably heard of HerO. He has been a torch for protoss through thick and thin, always hanging around at the top of the protoss ranks. His first opponent, EG.Oz.RC, is no stranger to standing in the protoss spotlight either as he was once considered the most solid protoss player in the world by many for a decently long time. Since this match will be a PvP, there is one thing that deserves a mention here - Oz' fall from grace towards the end of Wings of Liberty. The wonderful and powerful wizard made the costly mistake of calling the Protoss mirror a purely skill based one that had nothing to do with luck. Oz stated that he would play and beat anyone who thought otherwise. As it just had to happen he then entered the worst PvP form of his entire career and has ever since been looking for a way back to where he once was - the highest ranks of the Protoss race. Coupled with a solid Proleague record, this WCS America might just be what he's looking for.
- Have we met?
Oh yes, they have. Let the truth be dropped upon you. This group's ZvZ between Acer.Scarlett and ROOTViBE is a rematch of the 2012 WCS North America Finals. A real blast from the past, a different time when the Koreans had to slaughter each other in the brutal pit that was WCS Korea as there was nowhere else to go. Now, that of course makes both Scarlett and ViBE's route to the original final a lot less impressive than say HerO's was last season but don't let that deceive you. Both players tore through the 2012 version of WCS America, with Scarlett dropping a grand total of a single map and ViBE only surrendering to Scarlett, the eventual champion. Scarlett's impressive ZvZ proved too much to handle for ViBE back then as the Canadian version of Sarah Kerrigan took him out 4-0 in total. But hey, that was Wings of Liberty and this is not. ZvZ has gone a bunch of changes in HotS already, with mass roach midgame into eventual Swarmhosts currently looking to be the go to style. This series may just come down to whoever has a more solid grip on the volatile and rapidly evolving ZvZ matchup.
- Predictions!
HerO has to enter this group as a clear favorite. Not only is he the reigning WCS America champion but he has also been one of the hottest protoss players competing internationally. His PvZ has looked vastly improved recently and flashbacks of the classic HerOesque PvZ are occurring more frequently. Having defeated Scarlett 2-0 in convincing fashion last season and the zerg queen apparently not being comfortable against protoss (see her post in this thread), I don't know if either of the zergs in his group has what it takes to beat him if he performs to his standards. The match against Oz will be critical. The two protoss players are known to be good friends and now practice together in the EGTL house. As cliché as it sounds, there might just be mindgames in this one. Overall though, HerO's PvP has been a lot more stable than Oz' in HotS and HerO seems more on point right now. Scarlett's ZvZ has always been very good, even keeping up with the best in the world so this jump-in-writer favors her to take the series against ViBE. Where we go from there is up in the air. The simple and not very creative answer would be HerO going through in first place and the other three battling it out for the second spot.
HerO > Oz Scarlett > ViBE HerO > Scarlett ViBE < Oz Scarlett > Oz
Since TL probably won't do a preview for this since I don't believe they did for WCS AM last time (I could be remembering wrong) does someone want to take a crack at writing up an unofficial preview? I'll put it up in the OP. If no one does it I can always toss something together or just find something to put there.
I was hoping NASL would at least cast all of the Premier League. Nothing against the Blizzard casters, but Premier League is a bit out of their league.
On July 16 2013 03:45 Shellshock1122 wrote: Since TL probably won't do a preview for this since I don't believe they did for WCS AM last time (I could be remembering wrong) does someone want to take a crack at writing up an unofficial preview? I'll put it up in the OP. If no one does it I can always toss something together or just find something to put there.
Lemme channel my mighty writing skills. I did work at a local newspaper so look forward to that mad quality writing.
On July 16 2013 03:52 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Anyone know how to kill protoss ? :<
Protoss players have one weakness: they put their weight on their right leg whenever they're about to forcefield a choke. So what you do is sneak up on them like a burrowed roach, hamstring them and then their forcefields will be slightly off by about a hex or two and your lings should be able to exploit that weakness for the win. Hope this helps.
The new WCS America, now run by the North American Starleague (NASL), kicks off tonight starting with Group G. As it is rightful the man who ended the last WCS AM season by lifting the trophy, Liquid'HerO, will be playing the first game of the new Premier League season. HerO does not really require an introduction. Whether you're new to watching StarCraft 2 or a seasoned veteran, you've probably heard of HerO. He has been a torch for protoss through thick and thin, always hanging around at the top of the protoss ranks. His first opponent, EG.Oz.RC, is no stranger to standing in the protoss spotlight either as he was once considered the most solid protoss player in the world by many for a decently long time. Since this match will be a PvP, there is one thing that deserves a mention here - Oz' fall from grace towards the end of Wings of Liberty. The wonderful and powerful wizard made the costly mistake of calling the Protoss mirror a purely skill based one that had nothing to do with luck. Oz stated that he would play and beat anyone who thought otherwise. As it just had to happen he then entered the worst PvP form of his entire career and has ever since been looking for a way back to where he once was - the highest ranks of the Protoss race. Coupled with a solid Proleague record, this WCS America might just be what he's looking for.
- Have we met?
Oh yes, they have. Let the truth be dropped upon you. This group's ZvZ between Acer.Scarlett and ROOTViBE is a rematch of the 2012 WCS North America Finals. A real blast from the past, a different time when the Koreans had to slaughter each other in the brutal pit that was WCS Korea as there was nowhere else to go. Now, that of course makes both Scarlett and ViBE's route to the original final a lot less impressive than say HerO's was last season but don't let that deceive you. Both players tore through the 2012 version of WCS America, with Scarlett dropping a grand total of a single map and ViBE only surrendering to Scarlett, the eventual champion. Scarlett's impressive ZvZ proved too much to handle for ViBE back then as the Canadian version of Sarah Kerrigan took him out 4-0 in total. But hey, that was Wings of Liberty and this is not. ZvZ has gone a bunch of changes in HotS already, with mass roach midgame into eventual Swarmhosts currently looking to be the go to style. This series may just come down to whoever has a more solid grip on the volatile and rapidly evolving ZvZ matchup.
- Predictions!
HerO has to enter this group as a clear favorite. Not only is he the reigning WCS America champion but he has also been one of the hottest protoss players competing internationally. His PvZ has looked vastly improved recently and flashbacks of the classic HerOesque PvZ are occurring more frequently. Having defeated Scarlett 2-0 in convincing fashion last season and the zerg queen apparently not being comfortable against protoss (see her post in this thread), I don't know if either of the zergs in his group has what it takes to beat him if he performs to his standards. The match against Oz will be critical. The two protoss players are known to be good friends and now practice together in the EGTL house. As cliché as it sounds, there might just be mindgames in this one. Overall though, HerO's PvP has been a lot more stable than Oz' in HotS and HerO seems more on point right now. Scarlett's ZvZ has always been very good, even keeping up with the best in the world so this jump-in-writer favors her to take the series against ViBE. Where we go from there is up in the air. The simple and not very creative answer would be HerO going through in first place and the other three battling it out for the second spot.
HerO > Oz Scarlett > ViBE HerO > Scarlett ViBE < Oz Scarlett > Oz
Kind of choked that there's no TL writeup for this (though Olli's does the job nicely). This has the potential to be AMAZING and deserves all the hype it can get! I have faith in the NASL guys and these four players
[WCS AM] Ro32 Group G Premier Season 2 2013 HerO vs. Oz Game 1 Map: Akilon Wastes
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom right Oz spawns in the top left
1:40 gateway first for both players
2:00 double gas for HerO double gas for Oz Cybernetics core for both players
3:00 2nd gate for both players both players going for fast 3 stalkers
4:00 3rd gate for HerO
5:00 2 sentries for Oz mothership core of Oz moving out on the map to scout and look for probes Nexus for Oz Robo for HerO Oz's MSC is caught out on the map and killed by HerO's 3 stalkers
[WCS AM] Ro32 Group G Premier Season 2 2013 HerO vs. Oz Game 1 Map: Akilon Wastes
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom right Oz spawns in the top left
1:40 gateway first for both players
2:00 double gas for HerO double gas for Oz Cybernetics core for both players
3:00 2nd gate for both players both players going for fast 3 stalkers
4:00 3rd gate for HerO
5:00 2 sentries for Oz mothership core of Oz moving out on the map to scout and look for probes Nexus for Oz Robo for HerO Oz's MSC is caught out on the map and killed by HerO's 3 stalkers
6:00 Robo for Oz HerO pushing into the natural of Oz with 6 stalkers MSC of HerO meets up with his army timewarp on the army of Oz armies engage in the natural of Oz HerO has a pylon down in the natural of Oz
7:00 Oz loses his forces in his natural HerO moves into the main observer for HerO Oz rebuilding his MSC probes are pulled from Oz immortal started for Oz HerO backs off into the natural and starts chipping away at the nexus health
8:00 2 more gates for Oz HerO kills the natural nexus Warp prism for Oz Nexus for HerO immortal production started for HerO Robo bay for HerO
9:00 Oz sending his warp prism across the map and loading it with an immortal and 2 zealots HerO sets up a contain at the bottom of Oz's main ramp Oz drops his zealots and immortal in the natural of HerO more zealots are warped in
10:00 photon overcharge on the natural nexu of herO zealots of Oz are able to kill the nexus of HerO Oz comes down his main ramp and kills a few stalkers but loses an immortal HerO kiting zealots across the middle of the map with stalkers Nexus for Oz
[WCS AM] Ro32 Group G Premier Season 2 2013 HerO vs. Oz Game 1 Map: Akilon Wastes
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom right Oz spawns in the top left
1:40 gateway first for both players
2:00 double gas for HerO double gas for Oz Cybernetics core for both players
3:00 2nd gate for both players both players going for fast 3 stalkers
4:00 3rd gate for HerO
5:00 2 sentries for Oz mothership core of Oz moving out on the map to scout and look for probes Nexus for Oz Robo for HerO Oz's MSC is caught out on the map and killed by HerO's 3 stalkers
6:00 Robo for Oz HerO pushing into the natural of Oz with 6 stalkers MSC of HerO meets up with his army timewarp on the army of Oz armies engage in the natural of Oz HerO has a pylon down in the natural of Oz
7:00 Oz loses his forces in his natural HerO moves into the main observer for HerO Oz rebuilding his MSC probes are pulled from Oz immortal started for Oz HerO backs off into the natural and starts chipping away at the nexus health
8:00 2 more gates for Oz HerO kills the natural nexus Warp prism for Oz Nexus for HerO immortal production started for HerO Robo bay for HerO
9:00 Oz sending his warp prism across the map and loading it with an immortal and 2 zealots HerO sets up a contain at the bottom of Oz's main ramp Oz drops his zealots and immortal in the natural of HerO more zealots are warped in
10:00 photon overcharge on the natural nexu of herO zealots of Oz are able to kill the nexus of HerO Oz comes down his main ramp and kills a few stalkers but loses an immortal HerO kiting zealots across the middle of the map with stalkers Nexus for Oz
11:00 H 56 vs O 63 Warp prism for HerO warp prism speed for herO Nexus for HerO stargate for Oz
12:00 H 57 vs O 65 Twilight council for HerO warp prism of Oz is deflected from the main of HerO void ray production started for Oz double immortal drop in the main of Oz starts attacking the stargate
13:00 H 71 vs O 79 HerO picks off the stargate before the void ray finishes and gets his immortals away 2 stargates started for Oz HerO continuing to harass with his immortals and warp prism Colossus production started for HerO
14:00 H 84 vs O 84 Oz is ahead 43 to 38 in workers forge for HerO immortal zealot drop from Oz in the main of HerO photon overcharge on the main nexus of HerO Oz loses his immortal and zealots but saves the warp prism double void ray production for Oz
15:00 H 91 vs O 88 Blink research started for herO Forge for Oz Twilight council for Oz +1 attack for HerO 3 more gates for HerO Templar archives for HerO +1 attack for Oz
Yeah, both HerO and Oz are looking pretty good for now. ViBE shouldn't stand a chance and I'm pretty sure Scarlett will fall too. I just want to see HerO through.
[WCS AM] Ro32 Group G Premier Season 2 2013 HerO vs. Oz Game 1 Map: Akilon Wastes
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom right Oz spawns in the top left
1:40 gateway first for both players
2:00 double gas for HerO double gas for Oz Cybernetics core for both players
3:00 2nd gate for both players both players going for fast 3 stalkers
4:00 3rd gate for HerO
5:00 2 sentries for Oz mothership core of Oz moving out on the map to scout and look for probes Nexus for Oz Robo for HerO Oz's MSC is caught out on the map and killed by HerO's 3 stalkers
6:00 Robo for Oz HerO pushing into the natural of Oz with 6 stalkers MSC of HerO meets up with his army timewarp on the army of Oz armies engage in the natural of Oz HerO has a pylon down in the natural of Oz
7:00 Oz loses his forces in his natural HerO moves into the main observer for HerO Oz rebuilding his MSC probes are pulled from Oz immortal started for Oz HerO backs off into the natural and starts chipping away at the nexus health
8:00 2 more gates for Oz HerO kills the natural nexus Warp prism for Oz Nexus for HerO immortal production started for HerO Robo bay for HerO
9:00 Oz sending his warp prism across the map and loading it with an immortal and 2 zealots HerO sets up a contain at the bottom of Oz's main ramp Oz drops his zealots and immortal in the natural of HerO more zealots are warped in
10:00 photon overcharge on the natural nexu of herO zealots of Oz are able to kill the nexus of HerO Oz comes down his main ramp and kills a few stalkers but loses an immortal HerO kiting zealots across the middle of the map with stalkers Nexus for Oz
11:00 H 56 vs O 63 Warp prism for HerO warp prism speed for herO Nexus for HerO stargate for Oz
12:00 H 57 vs O 65 Twilight council for HerO warp prism of Oz is deflected from the main of HerO void ray production started for Oz double immortal drop in the main of Oz starts attacking the stargate
13:00 H 71 vs O 79 HerO picks off the stargate before the void ray finishes and gets his immortals away 2 stargates started for Oz HerO continuing to harass with his immortals and warp prism Colossus production started for HerO
14:00 H 84 vs O 84 Oz is ahead 43 to 38 in workers forge for HerO immortal zealot drop from Oz in the main of HerO photon overcharge on the main nexus of HerO Oz loses his immortal and zealots but saves the warp prism double void ray production for Oz
15:00 H 91 vs O 88 Blink research started for herO Forge for Oz Twilight council for Oz +1 attack for HerO 3 more gates for HerO Templar archives for HerO +1 attack for Oz
16:00 H 85 vs O 100 Templar archives for Oz 3rd base for Oz Charge research started for Oz
17:00 H 113 vs O 112 ARchons being added in for herO +2 attack for HerO HerO starting to move across the map Oz also moving out on the map chasing hte warp prism of HerO armies engage in the middle of the map stalkers blink under some of the void rays that try to come in from the side Oz has to recall his army
18:00 H 115 vs O 102 HerO pushing towards the natural of Oz Archons for Oz immortal production restarted for Oz HerO attacks into Oz's 3rd Oz tries to move down the ramp to defend his 3rd and engages HerO's army zealot drop in the main of Oz
19:00 H 101 vs O 93 Oz is losing his army at his 3rd Oz ggs! HerO wins game 1!
[WCS AM] Ro32 Group G Premier Season 2 2013 HerO vs. Oz Game 2 (1-0) Map: Neo Planet S
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom left Oz spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for both players
2:00 double gas for HerO double gas for Oz cybernetics core for both players
3:00 zealot for both players 2nd gate for Oz stalker for both players MSC for Oz
4:00 MSC for HerO Twilight council for HerO 2 sentries for Oz sentry for HerO
5:00 2 more gates for HerO Nexus for Oz Blink research started for HerO Robo for Oz
6:00 MSC of Oz flies into the base of HerO but doesn't see the twilight council before being denied by stalkers Robo for HerO immortal for Oz
7:00 H 37 vs O 47 Oz is ahead by 5 workers 2nd immortal for Oz another gate for Oz HerO hallucinates a warp prism and flies it into the main of Oz and moves in to forcefield the ramp but Oz doesnt bite
8:00 H 51 vs O 59 2nd immortal is out for Oz now HerO forcefields the ramp of Oz and blinks into the main with some stalkers photon overcharge on the natural nexus HerO backs out of range but Oz gets into his main to defend
9:00 H 42 vs O 57 MSC of HerO is killed nexus of HerO HerO blinks out of Oz's base and retreats Twilight council for Oz
10:00 H 57 vs O 75 another immortal on the way for Oz Blink research started for Oz HerO posturing outside of Oz's natural HerO blinks into the main of Oz but Oz has units ready to defend so HerO has to blink out
[WCS AM] Ro32 Group G Premier Season 2 2013 HerO vs. Oz Game 2 (1-0) Map: Neo Planet S
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom left Oz spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for both players
2:00 double gas for HerO double gas for Oz cybernetics core for both players
3:00 zealot for both players 2nd gate for Oz stalker for both players MSC for Oz
4:00 MSC for HerO Twilight council for HerO 2 sentries for Oz sentry for HerO
5:00 2 more gates for HerO Nexus for Oz Blink research started for HerO Robo for Oz
6:00 MSC of Oz flies into the base of HerO but doesn't see the twilight council before being denied by stalkers Robo for HerO immortal for Oz
7:00 H 37 vs O 47 Oz is ahead by 5 workers 2nd immortal for Oz another gate for Oz HerO hallucinates a warp prism and flies it into the main of Oz and moves in to forcefield the ramp but Oz doesnt bite
8:00 H 51 vs O 59 2nd immortal is out for Oz now HerO forcefields the ramp of Oz and blinks into the main with some stalkers photon overcharge on the natural nexus HerO backs out of range but Oz gets into his main to defend
9:00 H 42 vs O 57 MSC of HerO is killed nexus of HerO HerO blinks out of Oz's base and retreats Twilight council for Oz
10:00 H 57 vs O 75 another immortal on the way for Oz Blink research started for Oz HerO posturing outside of Oz's natural HerO blinks into the main of Oz but Oz has units ready to defend so HerO has to blink out
11:00 H 70 vs O 89 Robo for HerO 2 more gates for Oz HerO pokes into the natural again but loses his hallucinated phoenix giving high ground vision so he retreats
12:00 H 80 vs O 91 HerO pokes into the natural again photon overcharge on the natural nexus phoenix hallucination gives vision to 4 stalkers to blink into Oz's main photon overcharge on the main nexus to help defend vs the stalkers another robo for HerO observer for HerO Oz moves out of his natural as his blink finishes
13:00 H 79 vs O 102 HerO is pushed back after losing more units Oz begins giving chase across the map first immortal coming out for herO but Oz already has 4 Oz pushing across the map picking off straggling sentries
14:00 H 75 vs O 117 forward pylon for Oz outside HerO's natural Oz attacks into the natural of HerO Oz powers through the army of HerO with his much larger army HerO ggs! Oz ties it up 1-1!
On July 16 2013 07:36 KristofferAG wrote: Are all the breaks this short? i can get used to that.
Definitely a billion times better than last season. 6 hour broadcasts were a little much when the other regions were doing it in 4 or less
I'm assuming they have somewhat longer breaks between matches than between sets, but this totally beats the massive breaks of tournaments like proleague and wcs kr.
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom left Oz spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gate first for both players gas for both players 2nd gas for Oz cybernetics core for both players
3:00 2nd gas for HerO zealot for HerO 2nd gate for Oz stalker for HerO sentry for Oz MSC for HerO
4:00 MSC for Oz 2 stalkers for Oz HerO sending his MSC across the map Nexus for HerO
5:00 Oz sending his MSC across the map and sees HerO's coming gateway for HerO 2 more sentries for Oz 3rd gate for HerO HerO's MSC backs off after seeing the stalkers of Oz Robo for HerO Nexus for Oz
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom left Oz spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gate first for both players gas for both players 2nd gas for Oz cybernetics core for both players
3:00 2nd gas for HerO zealot for HerO 2nd gate for Oz stalker for HerO sentry for Oz MSC for HerO
4:00 MSC for Oz 2 stalkers for Oz HerO sending his MSC across the map Nexus for HerO
5:00 Oz sending his MSC across the map and sees HerO's coming gateway for HerO 2 more sentries for Oz 3rd gate for HerO HerO's MSC backs off after seeing the stalkers of Oz Robo for HerO Nexus for Oz
6:00 HerO hides a pylon in the natural of Oz out of vision Oz tries to forcefield his main ramp to block a probe but misses it Oz pressuring the natural of HerO with 2 stalkers and a sentry Stargate for Oz 3 zealots warped into Oz's natural photon overcharge on the natural of HerO zealots run into the main of Oz
7:00 H 47 vs O 42 artosis pylon of Oz is killed but Os cleans up the zealots 3 more stalkers come in to pressure but Oz has plenty of units so HerO back soff immortal started for HerO oracle for Oz
8:00 H 51 vs O 54 2nd oracle of Oz Warp prism for HerO forge for Oz Robo finishes for Oz
9:00 H62 vs O 62 observer for Oz observer of HerO sees Oz's oracle twilight council for Oz HerO moving across the map Oracle flies intot he main of HerO where 2 stalkers are waiting Oracle just flies through immortal for Oz
10:00 H 75 vs O 80 HerO loads up some units into a warp prism and drops the main of Oz forcefield on the main ramp of Oz splits the army HerO pushes into the natural photon overcharge on the natural nexus of Oz HerO chaining forcefields on the main ramp
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom left Oz spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gate first for both players gas for both players 2nd gas for Oz cybernetics core for both players
3:00 2nd gas for HerO zealot for HerO 2nd gate for Oz stalker for HerO sentry for Oz MSC for HerO
4:00 MSC for Oz 2 stalkers for Oz HerO sending his MSC across the map Nexus for HerO
5:00 Oz sending his MSC across the map and sees HerO's coming gateway for HerO 2 more sentries for Oz 3rd gate for HerO HerO's MSC backs off after seeing the stalkers of Oz Robo for HerO Nexus for Oz
6:00 HerO hides a pylon in the natural of Oz out of vision Oz tries to forcefield his main ramp to block a probe but misses it Oz pressuring the natural of HerO with 2 stalkers and a sentry Stargate for Oz 3 zealots warped into Oz's natural photon overcharge on the natural of HerO zealots run into the main of Oz
7:00 H 47 vs O 42 artosis pylon of Oz is killed but Os cleans up the zealots 3 more stalkers come in to pressure but Oz has plenty of units so HerO back soff immortal started for HerO oracle for Oz
8:00 H 51 vs O 54 2nd oracle of Oz Warp prism for HerO forge for Oz Robo finishes for Oz
9:00 H62 vs O 62 observer for Oz observer of HerO sees Oz's oracle twilight council for Oz HerO moving across the map Oracle flies intot he main of HerO where 2 stalkers are waiting Oracle just flies through immortal for Oz
10:00 H 75 vs O 80 HerO loads up some units into a warp prism and drops the main of Oz forcefield on the main ramp of Oz splits the army HerO pushes into the natural photon overcharge on the natural nexus of Oz HerO chaining forcefields on the main ramp
11:00 H 74 vs O 78 oracle killing probes in the natural of HerO Oz defends his natural and pushes HerO back 13 kill oracle of Oz stalkers finally kill the oracle another oracle of Oz 2 more gates for Oz blink research for Oz another immortal for HerO
12:00 H 63 vs O 76 immortal warp prism harass in the main of Oz is chased away +1 attack started for Oz Twilight council for HerO forge for HerO
13:00 H 75 vs O 90 another gate for Oz another oracle comes into the main of HerO and gets 3 kills before being chased away immortal stalker warp prism harass of herO is chased away from the natural of Oz +1 attack for HerO blink research for HerO
14:00 H 88 vs O 102 Robo bay for Oz HerO still making immortals going up to 4 Oz has 3 immortals Oz moving across the map Oz pushing into the natural of HerO Oz blinks all his stalkers forward into the army of HerO
15:00 H 86 vs O 83 photon overcharge on the natural of HerO Oz is pushed back Colossus production started for Oz Oracle for Oz MSC of HerO is killed Oz loses his last immortal and starts retreating Extended thermal lance research for Oz +2 attack for Oz MSC rebuilds for HerO
0:00 HerO spawns in the bottom left Oz spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gate first for both players gas for both players 2nd gas for Oz cybernetics core for both players
3:00 2nd gas for HerO zealot for HerO 2nd gate for Oz stalker for HerO sentry for Oz MSC for HerO
4:00 MSC for Oz 2 stalkers for Oz HerO sending his MSC across the map Nexus for HerO
5:00 Oz sending his MSC across the map and sees HerO's coming gateway for HerO 2 more sentries for Oz 3rd gate for HerO HerO's MSC backs off after seeing the stalkers of Oz Robo for HerO Nexus for Oz
6:00 HerO hides a pylon in the natural of Oz out of vision Oz tries to forcefield his main ramp to block a probe but misses it Oz pressuring the natural of HerO with 2 stalkers and a sentry Stargate for Oz 3 zealots warped into Oz's natural photon overcharge on the natural of HerO zealots run into the main of Oz
7:00 H 47 vs O 42 artosis pylon of Oz is killed but Os cleans up the zealots 3 more stalkers come in to pressure but Oz has plenty of units so HerO back soff immortal started for HerO oracle for Oz
8:00 H 51 vs O 54 2nd oracle of Oz Warp prism for HerO forge for Oz Robo finishes for Oz
9:00 H62 vs O 62 observer for Oz observer of HerO sees Oz's oracle twilight council for Oz HerO moving across the map Oracle flies intot he main of HerO where 2 stalkers are waiting Oracle just flies through immortal for Oz
10:00 H 75 vs O 80 HerO loads up some units into a warp prism and drops the main of Oz forcefield on the main ramp of Oz splits the army HerO pushes into the natural photon overcharge on the natural nexus of Oz HerO chaining forcefields on the main ramp
11:00 H 74 vs O 78 oracle killing probes in the natural of HerO Oz defends his natural and pushes HerO back 13 kill oracle of Oz stalkers finally kill the oracle another oracle of Oz 2 more gates for Oz blink research for Oz another immortal for HerO
12:00 H 63 vs O 76 immortal warp prism harass in the main of Oz is chased away +1 attack started for Oz Twilight council for HerO forge for HerO
13:00 H 75 vs O 90 another gate for Oz another oracle comes into the main of HerO and gets 3 kills before being chased away immortal stalker warp prism harass of herO is chased away from the natural of Oz +1 attack for HerO blink research for HerO
14:00 H 88 vs O 102 Robo bay for Oz HerO still making immortals going up to 4 Oz has 3 immortals Oz moving across the map Oz pushing into the natural of HerO Oz blinks all his stalkers forward into the army of HerO
15:00 H 86 vs O 83 photon overcharge on the natural of HerO Oz is pushed back Colossus production started for Oz Oracle for Oz MSC of HerO is killed Oz loses his last immortal and starts retreating Extended thermal lance research for Oz +2 attack for Oz MSC rebuilds for HerO
16:00 H 87 vs O 81 +2 attack for HerO 2 more gates for HerO 50 probes for Oz vs 48 for HerO 2nd colossus on the way for Oz Templar archives for HerO
17:00 H 93 vs O 106 HerO moving across the map now oracle of Oz kills 8 more probes in the main of HerO before dying Stargate for HerO
18:00 H 95 vs O 119 4 stalkers blink into the main of Oz and start attacking probes Oz cleans up the stalkers oracle in the natural of HerO dies to a cannon Oz moving out on the map Stalkers blink into the main of Oz Oz stends some stalkers home to defend
19:00 H 101 vs O 128 HerO recalls his stalkers Fleet beacon for HerO archon for HerO void ray for HerO Oz pushing across the map with his 3 colossi Oz starts attacking into the natural 3rd base for Oz
20:00 H 102 vs O 136 msc of HerO falls void ray comes out Oz just has too much stuff stalkers and Colossi powering through HerO's defenses HerO at half of Oz's supply HerO ggs! Oz wins 2-1!
every time there was a major battle in G3 an orcale went into hero's mineral line, and every time both the casters and the observers missed it. especially bad at the start when we see 2 oracles and the casters instantly forget about the 1st one. really screws up viewers perception of how the game is going.
or its all on purpose for more fake hype, i cant tell anymore.
0:00 Scarlett spawns in the top left ViBE spawns in the bottom right
2:00 pool first for both players Hatch for both players
3:00 gas for ViBE later gas for Scarlett (vibe at 52 when hers starts)
4:00 ling speed for ViBE 2nd gas for ViBE
5:00 baneling nest for ViBE evo for Scarlett lings started for ViBE Lair for Scarlett spine for Scarlett double digit lings on the way for ViBE
6:00 Roach warren for Scarlett 2nd evo for Scarlett walling off 3rd evo for Scarlett for a full wall 2nd spine for Scarlett 14 banes for ViBE +1 range attack for Scarlett
7:00 S 44 vs V 50 banelings bust through the evos but almost all the baes are used up no drones die to banelings a few lings get through ViBE has lost triple the resources roaches out for scarlett Scarlett saves her natural queen Roach speed for Scarlett double evo rebuilding for Scarlett
8:00 S 60 vs V 49 12 more banes for ViBE Lair for ViBE +1 range attack restarted for Scarlett +1 carpace for Scarlett
9:00 S 77 vs V 58 3rd base for Scarlett ling runby to the 3rd of Scarlett forces a cancel 12 more roaches for scarlett Spire for ViBE
10:00 S 99 vs V 68 Scarlett moving out on the map with his roaches ling runby into the main of Scarlett 5 spines started for ViBE at home Scarlett just counter attacking roaches spawning at home for Scarlett to clean up lings ViBE just ggs Scarlett wins game 1!
i wish we could have an observer with more than 5 apm. if theres 2 fights on the map at the same time, only watching 1 of them is imo inexcusable. completely ruins things for the viewer.
Observer was circling it with his mouse, but he was trying to stay where the commentators were talking about. Also Scarlett just made one of the USA's finest look completely silly.
On July 16 2013 08:09 turdburgler wrote: i wish we could have an observer with more than 5 apm. if theres 2 fights on the map at the same time, only watching 1 of them is imo inexcusable. completely ruins things for the viewer.
Especially when it is just a quite little runby against spawning reinforcements :-(
Ah well. Was pretty clear what would happen anyways.
On July 16 2013 08:10 Maasked wrote: Observer was circling it with his mouse, but he was trying to stay where the commentators were talking about. Also Scarlett just made one of the USA's finest look completely silly.
Does vibe even play a lot? I swear I don't see him play sc2 much but then again he might be on a barcode.
On July 16 2013 08:10 Maasked wrote: Observer was circling it with his mouse, but he was trying to stay where the commentators were talking about. Also Scarlett just made one of the USA's finest look completely silly.
to be fair, she's been doing that for a while. Remember WCS NA 2012?
On July 16 2013 08:10 Maasked wrote: Observer was circling it with his mouse, but he was trying to stay where the commentators were talking about. Also Scarlett just made one of the USA's finest look completely silly.
im so glad i tuned in at 1am to watch a mouse circling a mini map. the transfuse and roach rally play was cute and somesomething worth seeing (good crisis management) but the casters werent even mentioning that anyway ;/. i remember 1 time i watched a game on daybreak in WoL where the observer actually flicked the camera around as fast as a pro does to watch all 3 fights on the map, i think it was a pro player casting. and it was still a very viewable experience, so since then i just cant accept slow moving observing.
On July 16 2013 08:10 Maasked wrote: Observer was circling it with his mouse, but he was trying to stay where the commentators were talking about. Also Scarlett just made one of the USA's finest look completely silly.
Does vibe even play a lot? I swear I don't see him play sc2 much but then again he might be on a barcode.
He's in the team house, so according to the logic most people on TL employ that means that he must train pretty much 24/7.
On July 16 2013 08:10 Maasked wrote: Observer was circling it with his mouse, but he was trying to stay where the commentators were talking about. Also Scarlett just made one of the USA's finest look completely silly.
Does vibe even play a lot? I swear I don't see him play sc2 much but then again he might be on a barcode.
I would guess that ViBE and the rest of the guys in the ROOT house have barcoded up and swapped accounts or whatever to hide builds. It's probably pretty easy to do when you're all together.
Finally WCS America feels like it's up to par with the rest of the Premiere leagues. I imagine the Ro16 will be awesome too once they are at the NASL studio.
On July 16 2013 08:15 KristofferAG wrote: Well, I gotta get up in 6 hours so I'm heading off. OH IF ONLY THESE BROADCASTS STARTED LIKE ONE HOUR EARLIER.
You can take our players but you can never take our hours!
On July 16 2013 08:19 turdburgler wrote: scarlett is another player who has huge ineffeciencies in her hotkey usage and set up, so im always so impressed by her creep spread.
0:00 Scarlett spawns in the bottom left ViBE spawns in the top right
2:00 Pool first for both players Hatch for both players
3:00 Gas for ViBE later gas for Scarlett
4:00 drones
5:00 Lair for ViBE evo for Scarlett Lair for Scarlett
6:00 ViBE going up to 4 gas Roach warren for Scarlett ling speed for ViBE +1 range attack for ViBE Scarlett goes up to 3 gas Spire for ViBE spine for ViBE Roaches started for SCarlett
7:00 S 60 vs V 51 3rd base for Scarlett overlord of ViBE scouts the 3rd Roach speed for Scarlett
8:00 S 79 vs V 57 Scarlett going up to 18 roaches ling runby to the 3rd of Scarlett is defended by roaches 8 mutas started for ViBE 3rd for ViBE Roach warren for ViBE Scarlett sending her roaches across the map as +1 attack finishes ViBE making mutas and lings mutas come out as the roaches arrive ViBE walling off with evos but Scarlett just kills them
9:00 S 84 vs V 73 Roaches move into the mineral line of ViBE but mutas clean them up Hydra den for Scarlett ViBE maintains a 3 worker lead Roach speed for ViBE +1 range attack for ViBE 4 spores started for Scarlett
10:00 S 71 vs V 80 mutas attacking a few overlords ling runby to the 3rd of Scarlett Hydra range for Scarlett +2 range attack for Scarlett 3rd of Scarlett is killed Hydras started for Scarlett
On July 16 2013 08:19 turdburgler wrote: scarlett is another player who has huge ineffeciencies in her hotkey usage and set up, so im always so impressed by her creep spread.
Care to elaborate on this?
she often keeps her army on a single hotkey, doesnt use camera hotkeys last time i checked, i dont think she uses the standard method of adding units to control groups which is adding the eggs before they hatch. things might have changed since she went to korea but her creep spread has always been top notch even when she slows herself down so much.
0:00 Scarlett spawns in the bottom left ViBE spawns in the top right
2:00 Pool first for both players Hatch for both players
3:00 Gas for ViBE later gas for Scarlett
4:00 drones
5:00 Lair for ViBE evo for Scarlett Lair for Scarlett
6:00 ViBE going up to 4 gas Roach warren for Scarlett ling speed for ViBE +1 range attack for ViBE Scarlett goes up to 3 gas Spire for ViBE spine for ViBE Roaches started for SCarlett
7:00 S 60 vs V 51 3rd base for Scarlett overlord of ViBE scouts the 3rd Roach speed for Scarlett
8:00 S 79 vs V 57 Scarlett going up to 18 roaches ling runby to the 3rd of Scarlett is defended by roaches 8 mutas started for ViBE 3rd for ViBE Roach warren for ViBE Scarlett sending her roaches across the map as +1 attack finishes ViBE making mutas and lings mutas come out as the roaches arrive ViBE walling off with evos but Scarlett just kills them
9:00 S 84 vs V 73 Roaches move into the mineral line of ViBE but mutas clean them up Hydra den for Scarlett ViBE maintains a 3 worker lead Roach speed for ViBE +1 range attack for ViBE 4 spores started for Scarlett
10:00 S 71 vs V 80 mutas attacking a few overlords ling runby to the 3rd of Scarlett Hydra range for Scarlett +2 range attack for Scarlett 3rd of Scarlett is killed Hydras started for Scarlett
11:00 S 88 vs V 99 ViBE is ahead by 12 workers now infestation pit for Scarlett Roaches started for ViBE pathogen glands for Scarlett
12:00 S 106 vs V 126 3rd base for Scarlett Hydra den for ViBE +2 range attack for ViBE infestor production started for Scarlett Scarlett continuing to make extra queens this whole time as well
13:00 S 115 vs V 145 ViBe sending a roach force to the 3rd of Scarlett 3rd of Scarlett is canceled mutas picking off creep tumors Hydra range for ViBE
14:00 S 139 vs V 168 3rd base restarted for Scarlett again Hydra range for Scarlett Scarlett moving across the map Scarlett misses a fungal on the mutas mutas harassing the 3rd of Scarlett +1 carapace started for Scarlett another fungal misses the mutas
15:00 S 156 vs V 190 ViBE sending his army across the map now Hydra speed for ViBE ViBE attacking at the 3rd of Scarlett macro hatch for scarlett armies engage outside of Scarlett's natural fungal hits part of ViBE's army
On July 16 2013 08:19 turdburgler wrote: scarlett is another player who has huge ineffeciencies in her hotkey usage and set up, so im always so impressed by her creep spread.
Care to elaborate on this?
she often keeps her army on a single hotkey, doesnt use camera hotkeys last time i checked, i dont think she uses the standard method of adding units to control groups which is adding the eggs before they hatch. things might have changed since she went to korea but her creep spread has always been top notch even when she slows herself down so much.
what do u mean 'doesnt use camera hotkeys' even if you look at old vods u can see its obvious
0:00 Scarlett spawns in the bottom left ViBE spawns in the top right
2:00 Pool first for both players Hatch for both players
3:00 Gas for ViBE later gas for Scarlett
4:00 drones
5:00 Lair for ViBE evo for Scarlett Lair for Scarlett
6:00 ViBE going up to 4 gas Roach warren for Scarlett ling speed for ViBE +1 range attack for ViBE Scarlett goes up to 3 gas Spire for ViBE spine for ViBE Roaches started for SCarlett
7:00 S 60 vs V 51 3rd base for Scarlett overlord of ViBE scouts the 3rd Roach speed for Scarlett
8:00 S 79 vs V 57 Scarlett going up to 18 roaches ling runby to the 3rd of Scarlett is defended by roaches 8 mutas started for ViBE 3rd for ViBE Roach warren for ViBE Scarlett sending her roaches across the map as +1 attack finishes ViBE making mutas and lings mutas come out as the roaches arrive ViBE walling off with evos but Scarlett just kills them
9:00 S 84 vs V 73 Roaches move into the mineral line of ViBE but mutas clean them up Hydra den for Scarlett ViBE maintains a 3 worker lead Roach speed for ViBE +1 range attack for ViBE 4 spores started for Scarlett
10:00 S 71 vs V 80 mutas attacking a few overlords ling runby to the 3rd of Scarlett Hydra range for Scarlett +2 range attack for Scarlett 3rd of Scarlett is killed Hydras started for Scarlett
11:00 S 88 vs V 99 ViBE is ahead by 12 workers now infestation pit for Scarlett Roaches started for ViBE pathogen glands for Scarlett
12:00 S 106 vs V 126 3rd base for Scarlett Hydra den for ViBE +2 range attack for ViBE infestor production started for Scarlett Scarlett continuing to make extra queens this whole time as well
13:00 S 115 vs V 145 ViBe sending a roach force to the 3rd of Scarlett 3rd of Scarlett is canceled mutas picking off creep tumors Hydra range for ViBE
14:00 S 139 vs V 168 3rd base restarted for Scarlett again Hydra range for Scarlett Scarlett moving across the map Scarlett misses a fungal on the mutas mutas harassing the 3rd of Scarlett +1 carapace started for Scarlett another fungal misses the mutas
15:00 S 156 vs V 190 ViBE sending his army across the map now Hydra speed for ViBE ViBE attacking at the 3rd of Scarlett macro hatch for scarlett armies engage outside of Scarlett's natural fungal hits part of ViBE's army
16:00 S 125 vs V 155 Scarlett is able to push ViBE back 3rd of Scarlett was killed Scarlett counter attacking ViBE regroups with his reinforcements and Scarlett backs off ViBE pushing his attack now
17:00 S 136 vs V 171 engagement again outside of the natural of Scarlett Infestors have no energy queens have no more energy Scarlett's army is dwindling but she is able to push ViBE back again 3rd base for Scarlett more reinforcements arrive for ViBE Scarlett retreats into her natural
18:00 S 109 vs V 149 +2 carapace for Scarlett Roach warren for Scarlett has to be rebuilt small roach force attacking Scarlett's building 3rd Scarlett cancels her 3rd +1 carapace for ViBE
19:00 S 132 vs V 170 infestation pit for ViBE fungal hits some hydras of ViBE burrow for ViBE
20:00 S 156 vs V 189 Scarlett is mined out in the main ViBE starts building spines on the creep outside Scarlett's natural gold base for ViBE
0:00 Scarlett spawns in the bottom left ViBE spawns in the top right
2:00 Pool first for both players Hatch for both players
3:00 Gas for ViBE later gas for Scarlett
4:00 drones
5:00 Lair for ViBE evo for Scarlett Lair for Scarlett
6:00 ViBE going up to 4 gas Roach warren for Scarlett ling speed for ViBE +1 range attack for ViBE Scarlett goes up to 3 gas Spire for ViBE spine for ViBE Roaches started for SCarlett
7:00 S 60 vs V 51 3rd base for Scarlett overlord of ViBE scouts the 3rd Roach speed for Scarlett
8:00 S 79 vs V 57 Scarlett going up to 18 roaches ling runby to the 3rd of Scarlett is defended by roaches 8 mutas started for ViBE 3rd for ViBE Roach warren for ViBE Scarlett sending her roaches across the map as +1 attack finishes ViBE making mutas and lings mutas come out as the roaches arrive ViBE walling off with evos but Scarlett just kills them
9:00 S 84 vs V 73 Roaches move into the mineral line of ViBE but mutas clean them up Hydra den for Scarlett ViBE maintains a 3 worker lead Roach speed for ViBE +1 range attack for ViBE 4 spores started for Scarlett
10:00 S 71 vs V 80 mutas attacking a few overlords ling runby to the 3rd of Scarlett Hydra range for Scarlett +2 range attack for Scarlett 3rd of Scarlett is killed Hydras started for Scarlett
11:00 S 88 vs V 99 ViBE is ahead by 12 workers now infestation pit for Scarlett Roaches started for ViBE pathogen glands for Scarlett
12:00 S 106 vs V 126 3rd base for Scarlett Hydra den for ViBE +2 range attack for ViBE infestor production started for Scarlett Scarlett continuing to make extra queens this whole time as well
13:00 S 115 vs V 145 ViBe sending a roach force to the 3rd of Scarlett 3rd of Scarlett is canceled mutas picking off creep tumors Hydra range for ViBE
14:00 S 139 vs V 168 3rd base restarted for Scarlett again Hydra range for Scarlett Scarlett moving across the map Scarlett misses a fungal on the mutas mutas harassing the 3rd of Scarlett +1 carapace started for Scarlett another fungal misses the mutas
15:00 S 156 vs V 190 ViBE sending his army across the map now Hydra speed for ViBE ViBE attacking at the 3rd of Scarlett macro hatch for scarlett armies engage outside of Scarlett's natural fungal hits part of ViBE's army
16:00 S 125 vs V 155 Scarlett is able to push ViBE back 3rd of Scarlett was killed Scarlett counter attacking ViBE regroups with his reinforcements and Scarlett backs off ViBE pushing his attack now
17:00 S 136 vs V 171 engagement again outside of the natural of Scarlett Infestors have no energy queens have no more energy Scarlett's army is dwindling but she is able to push ViBE back again 3rd base for Scarlett more reinforcements arrive for ViBE Scarlett retreats into her natural
18:00 S 109 vs V 149 +2 carapace for Scarlett Roach warren for Scarlett has to be rebuilt small roach force attacking Scarlett's building 3rd Scarlett cancels her 3rd +1 carapace for ViBE
19:00 S 132 vs V 170 infestation pit for ViBE fungal hits some hydras of ViBE burrow for ViBE
20:00 S 156 vs V 189 Scarlett is mined out in the main ViBE starts building spines on the creep outside Scarlett's natural gold base for ViBE
21:00 S 174 vs V 192 Scarlett starts to come out of her natural before the spines finish armies engage both players dropping in supply spines finish and start attacking Scarlett is able to push ViBE back
22:00 S 78 vs V 122 pathogen glands for ViBE armies engage to the north of the natural ViBE is pushing Scarlett back Scarlett ggs! ViBE ties it up 1-1!
0:00 Scarlett spawns in the bottom left ViBE spawns in the top right
2:00 pool first for Scarlett Hatch first for ViBE Hatch for Scarlett gas for ViBE pool for ViBE
3:00 gas for Scarlett ling speed for ViBE
4:00 baneling nest for ViBE ViBE loses an overlord to a queen of Scarlett
5:00 spine in the natural for Scarlett evo for Scarlett 2nd gas for ViBE Lair for Scarlett 3rd gas for ViBE Roach warren for Scarlett
6:00 Roach warren for ViBE +1 range attack for Scarlett ling scouts the lair of Scarlett
7:00 S 51 vs V 61 ViBE starts making roaches infestation pit for Scarlett Roach speed for Scarlett double digit roaches for ViBE roaches startedf or SCarlett 2nd spine for Scarlett changeling of Scarlett sees all the roaches
8:00 S 75 vs V 83 speedlings coming for ViBE scarlett walling off with evos Roaches out for Scarlett ViBE begins attacking up the ramp but backs off when he sees the wall 14 banes morphing for ViBE 3rd spine finishes for Scarlett +2 range attack starts for Scarlett 18 banes for ViBE now
9:00 S 81 vs V 81 ViBE trying to bust queens transfusing the structures ViBE breaks through Scarlett splits her workers ViBE kills a few drones but Scarlett holds the attack +1 carapace for Scarlett Scarlett counter attacking Lair for ViBE evo for ViBE
10:00 S 74 vs V 69 pathogen glands for Scarlett Scarlett attacking into the natural of ViBE units dying as they spawn for ViBE ViBe losing drones in his natural speedling runby into the natural and main of Scarlett Scarlett moves into the main of ViBE
Such a bad first attack. Too bad for Vibe, he's gonna have a hard time against Hero. Swarmhosts are probably the best thing he can make. He has to hope Scarlett suicides a lot of units.
0:00 Scarlett spawns in the bottom left ViBE spawns in the top right
2:00 pool first for Scarlett Hatch first for ViBE Hatch for Scarlett gas for ViBE pool for ViBE
3:00 gas for Scarlett ling speed for ViBE
4:00 baneling nest for ViBE ViBE loses an overlord to a queen of Scarlett
5:00 spine in the natural for Scarlett evo for Scarlett 2nd gas for ViBE Lair for Scarlett 3rd gas for ViBE Roach warren for Scarlett
6:00 Roach warren for ViBE +1 range attack for Scarlett ling scouts the lair of Scarlett
7:00 S 51 vs V 61 ViBE starts making roaches infestation pit for Scarlett Roach speed for Scarlett double digit roaches for ViBE roaches startedf or SCarlett 2nd spine for Scarlett changeling of Scarlett sees all the roaches
8:00 S 75 vs V 83 speedlings coming for ViBE scarlett walling off with evos Roaches out for Scarlett ViBE begins attacking up the ramp but backs off when he sees the wall 14 banes morphing for ViBE 3rd spine finishes for Scarlett +2 range attack starts for Scarlett 18 banes for ViBE now
9:00 S 81 vs V 81 ViBE trying to bust queens transfusing the structures ViBE breaks through Scarlett splits her workers ViBE kills a few drones but Scarlett holds the attack +1 carapace for Scarlett Scarlett counter attacking Lair for ViBE evo for ViBE
10:00 S 74 vs V 69 pathogen glands for Scarlett Scarlett attacking into the natural of ViBE units dying as they spawn for ViBE ViBe losing drones in his natural speedling runby into the natural and main of Scarlett Scarlett moves into the main of ViBE
11:00 S 52 vs V 54 ViBE pulls his drones and Scarlett retreats into the natural Lair of Scarlett is killed Scarlett kills the natural hatch of ViBE Roaches that spawn in Scarlett's base clean up the lings
12:00 S 70 vs V 46 Scarlett is ahead 22 to 19 in drones Lair rebuilding for Scarlett 3rd finishes for Scarlett pathogen glands restarted for Scarlett infestation pit for ViBE Scarlett counter attacking again naturla hatch rebuilding for ViBE
13:00 S 80 vs V 56 infestors started for Scarlett +2 carapace for Scarlett swarm host (1) started for ViBE
14:00 S 98 vs V 62 ViBE now going up to multiple swarm hosts
15:00 S 120 vs V 77 Scarlett looks to deny a 3rd of ViBE but there isn't one enduring locusts for Scarlett scarlett rebuilding her main swarm hosts started for Scarlett
0:00 Scarlett spawns in the bottom left ViBE spawns in the top right
2:00 pool first for Scarlett Hatch first for ViBE Hatch for Scarlett gas for ViBE pool for ViBE
3:00 gas for Scarlett ling speed for ViBE
4:00 baneling nest for ViBE ViBE loses an overlord to a queen of Scarlett
5:00 spine in the natural for Scarlett evo for Scarlett 2nd gas for ViBE Lair for Scarlett 3rd gas for ViBE Roach warren for Scarlett
6:00 Roach warren for ViBE +1 range attack for Scarlett ling scouts the lair of Scarlett
7:00 S 51 vs V 61 ViBE starts making roaches infestation pit for Scarlett Roach speed for Scarlett double digit roaches for ViBE roaches startedf or SCarlett 2nd spine for Scarlett changeling of Scarlett sees all the roaches
8:00 S 75 vs V 83 speedlings coming for ViBE scarlett walling off with evos Roaches out for Scarlett ViBE begins attacking up the ramp but backs off when he sees the wall 14 banes morphing for ViBE 3rd spine finishes for Scarlett +2 range attack starts for Scarlett 18 banes for ViBE now
9:00 S 81 vs V 81 ViBE trying to bust queens transfusing the structures ViBE breaks through Scarlett splits her workers ViBE kills a few drones but Scarlett holds the attack +1 carapace for Scarlett Scarlett counter attacking Lair for ViBE evo for ViBE
10:00 S 74 vs V 69 pathogen glands for Scarlett Scarlett attacking into the natural of ViBE units dying as they spawn for ViBE ViBe losing drones in his natural speedling runby into the natural and main of Scarlett Scarlett moves into the main of ViBE
11:00 S 52 vs V 54 ViBE pulls his drones and Scarlett retreats into the natural Lair of Scarlett is killed Scarlett kills the natural hatch of ViBE Roaches that spawn in Scarlett's base clean up the lings
12:00 S 70 vs V 46 Scarlett is ahead 22 to 19 in drones Lair rebuilding for Scarlett 3rd finishes for Scarlett pathogen glands restarted for Scarlett infestation pit for ViBE Scarlett counter attacking again naturla hatch rebuilding for ViBE
13:00 S 80 vs V 56 infestors started for Scarlett +2 carapace for Scarlett swarm host (1) started for ViBE
14:00 S 98 vs V 62 ViBE now going up to multiple swarm hosts
15:00 S 120 vs V 77 Scarlett looks to deny a 3rd of ViBE but there isn't one enduring locusts for Scarlett scarlett rebuilding her main swarm hosts started for Scarlett
16:00 S 126 vs V 82 evo for ViBE +1 range attack started for ViBE Scarlett is ahead by 16 drones pathogen glands for ViBE
17:00 S 146 vs V 92 Scarlett is ahead 8 to 6 in the swarm host count adding in 2 more also way better upgrades 2-2 vs 0-0 infestors for ViBE
18:00 S 170 vs V 108 Roach speed for ViBE locusts fighting 3rd for ViBE Scarlett's locusts are on roids compared to ViBE's 3rd of ViBE is forced to cancel by roaches
19:00 S 194 vs V 116 Scarlett starts moving into the natural of ViBE fungal hits all the locusts and a few roaches of Scarlett burrow for ViBE Hive for Scarlett
20:00 S 200 vs V 130 more swarmhosts being made Spire for Scarlett Scarlett heading towards the holy trinity of zerg units fungal hits a few swarm hosts of ViBE
0:00 Scarlett spawns in the bottom left ViBE spawns in the top right
2:00 pool first for Scarlett Hatch first for ViBE Hatch for Scarlett gas for ViBE pool for ViBE
3:00 gas for Scarlett ling speed for ViBE
4:00 baneling nest for ViBE ViBE loses an overlord to a queen of Scarlett
5:00 spine in the natural for Scarlett evo for Scarlett 2nd gas for ViBE Lair for Scarlett 3rd gas for ViBE Roach warren for Scarlett
6:00 Roach warren for ViBE +1 range attack for Scarlett ling scouts the lair of Scarlett
7:00 S 51 vs V 61 ViBE starts making roaches infestation pit for Scarlett Roach speed for Scarlett double digit roaches for ViBE roaches startedf or SCarlett 2nd spine for Scarlett changeling of Scarlett sees all the roaches
8:00 S 75 vs V 83 speedlings coming for ViBE scarlett walling off with evos Roaches out for Scarlett ViBE begins attacking up the ramp but backs off when he sees the wall 14 banes morphing for ViBE 3rd spine finishes for Scarlett +2 range attack starts for Scarlett 18 banes for ViBE now
9:00 S 81 vs V 81 ViBE trying to bust queens transfusing the structures ViBE breaks through Scarlett splits her workers ViBE kills a few drones but Scarlett holds the attack +1 carapace for Scarlett Scarlett counter attacking Lair for ViBE evo for ViBE
10:00 S 74 vs V 69 pathogen glands for Scarlett Scarlett attacking into the natural of ViBE units dying as they spawn for ViBE ViBe losing drones in his natural speedling runby into the natural and main of Scarlett Scarlett moves into the main of ViBE
11:00 S 52 vs V 54 ViBE pulls his drones and Scarlett retreats into the natural Lair of Scarlett is killed Scarlett kills the natural hatch of ViBE Roaches that spawn in Scarlett's base clean up the lings
12:00 S 70 vs V 46 Scarlett is ahead 22 to 19 in drones Lair rebuilding for Scarlett 3rd finishes for Scarlett pathogen glands restarted for Scarlett infestation pit for ViBE Scarlett counter attacking again naturla hatch rebuilding for ViBE
13:00 S 80 vs V 56 infestors started for Scarlett +2 carapace for Scarlett swarm host (1) started for ViBE
14:00 S 98 vs V 62 ViBE now going up to multiple swarm hosts
15:00 S 120 vs V 77 Scarlett looks to deny a 3rd of ViBE but there isn't one enduring locusts for Scarlett scarlett rebuilding her main swarm hosts started for Scarlett
16:00 S 126 vs V 82 evo for ViBE +1 range attack started for ViBE Scarlett is ahead by 16 drones pathogen glands for ViBE
17:00 S 146 vs V 92 Scarlett is ahead 8 to 6 in the swarm host count adding in 2 more also way better upgrades 2-2 vs 0-0 infestors for ViBE
18:00 S 170 vs V 108 Roach speed for ViBE locusts fighting 3rd for ViBE Scarlett's locusts are on roids compared to ViBE's 3rd of ViBE is forced to cancel by roaches
19:00 S 194 vs V 116 Scarlett starts moving into the natural of ViBE fungal hits all the locusts and a few roaches of Scarlett burrow for ViBE Hive for Scarlett
20:00 S 200 vs V 130 more swarmhosts being made Spire for Scarlett Scarlett heading towards the holy trinity of zerg units fungal hits a few swarm hosts of ViBE
21:00 S 196 vs V 138 4th base finishes for Scarlett enduring locusts for ViBE Swarmhosts just pouring into ViBE's natural infestors burrow move out of ViBE's natural
22:00 S 199 vs V 148 3-3 started for Scarlett Greater spire for Scarlett Corruptors started for Scarlett Nydus network for ViBE
23:00 S 199 vs V 143 burrowed infestors enter Scarlett's natural and throw out a bunch of IT nydus worm started in Scarlett's natural ViBE loads up all of his units into the nydus Scarlett kills the natural of ViBE Brood lords started for Scarlett mutas started for Scarlett
24:00 S 199 vs V 118 Hive of Scarlett is killed 3 broods and 8 mutas get out infestors move into the 3rd of Scarlett and throw out some IT mutas start killing the army of ViBE which has no anti air with it Lair restartedf or Scarlett
25:00 S 166 vs V 105 Swarm hosts killing the main of ViBE ViBE starts a hatch in Scarlett's natural Brood lords drifting back towrds Scarlett's base spores finish for ViBE to defend the new hatch from mutas Broods siege the last base
0:00 Scarlett spawns in the bottom left ViBE spawns in the top right
2:00 pool first for Scarlett Hatch first for ViBE Hatch for Scarlett gas for ViBE pool for ViBE
3:00 gas for Scarlett ling speed for ViBE
4:00 baneling nest for ViBE ViBE loses an overlord to a queen of Scarlett
5:00 spine in the natural for Scarlett evo for Scarlett 2nd gas for ViBE Lair for Scarlett 3rd gas for ViBE Roach warren for Scarlett
6:00 Roach warren for ViBE +1 range attack for Scarlett ling scouts the lair of Scarlett
7:00 S 51 vs V 61 ViBE starts making roaches infestation pit for Scarlett Roach speed for Scarlett double digit roaches for ViBE roaches startedf or SCarlett 2nd spine for Scarlett changeling of Scarlett sees all the roaches
8:00 S 75 vs V 83 speedlings coming for ViBE scarlett walling off with evos Roaches out for Scarlett ViBE begins attacking up the ramp but backs off when he sees the wall 14 banes morphing for ViBE 3rd spine finishes for Scarlett +2 range attack starts for Scarlett 18 banes for ViBE now
9:00 S 81 vs V 81 ViBE trying to bust queens transfusing the structures ViBE breaks through Scarlett splits her workers ViBE kills a few drones but Scarlett holds the attack +1 carapace for Scarlett Scarlett counter attacking Lair for ViBE evo for ViBE
10:00 S 74 vs V 69 pathogen glands for Scarlett Scarlett attacking into the natural of ViBE units dying as they spawn for ViBE ViBe losing drones in his natural speedling runby into the natural and main of Scarlett Scarlett moves into the main of ViBE
11:00 S 52 vs V 54 ViBE pulls his drones and Scarlett retreats into the natural Lair of Scarlett is killed Scarlett kills the natural hatch of ViBE Roaches that spawn in Scarlett's base clean up the lings
12:00 S 70 vs V 46 Scarlett is ahead 22 to 19 in drones Lair rebuilding for Scarlett 3rd finishes for Scarlett pathogen glands restarted for Scarlett infestation pit for ViBE Scarlett counter attacking again naturla hatch rebuilding for ViBE
13:00 S 80 vs V 56 infestors started for Scarlett +2 carapace for Scarlett swarm host (1) started for ViBE
14:00 S 98 vs V 62 ViBE now going up to multiple swarm hosts
15:00 S 120 vs V 77 Scarlett looks to deny a 3rd of ViBE but there isn't one enduring locusts for Scarlett scarlett rebuilding her main swarm hosts started for Scarlett
16:00 S 126 vs V 82 evo for ViBE +1 range attack started for ViBE Scarlett is ahead by 16 drones pathogen glands for ViBE
17:00 S 146 vs V 92 Scarlett is ahead 8 to 6 in the swarm host count adding in 2 more also way better upgrades 2-2 vs 0-0 infestors for ViBE
18:00 S 170 vs V 108 Roach speed for ViBE locusts fighting 3rd for ViBE Scarlett's locusts are on roids compared to ViBE's 3rd of ViBE is forced to cancel by roaches
19:00 S 194 vs V 116 Scarlett starts moving into the natural of ViBE fungal hits all the locusts and a few roaches of Scarlett burrow for ViBE Hive for Scarlett
20:00 S 200 vs V 130 more swarmhosts being made Spire for Scarlett Scarlett heading towards the holy trinity of zerg units fungal hits a few swarm hosts of ViBE
21:00 S 196 vs V 138 4th base finishes for Scarlett enduring locusts for ViBE Swarmhosts just pouring into ViBE's natural infestors burrow move out of ViBE's natural
22:00 S 199 vs V 148 3-3 started for Scarlett Greater spire for Scarlett Corruptors started for Scarlett Nydus network for ViBE
23:00 S 199 vs V 143 burrowed infestors enter Scarlett's natural and throw out a bunch of IT nydus worm started in Scarlett's natural ViBE loads up all of his units into the nydus Scarlett kills the natural of ViBE Brood lords started for Scarlett mutas started for Scarlett
24:00 S 199 vs V 118 Hive of Scarlett is killed 3 broods and 8 mutas get out infestors move into the 3rd of Scarlett and throw out some IT mutas start killing the army of ViBE which has no anti air with it Lair restartedf or Scarlett
25:00 S 166 vs V 105 Swarm hosts killing the main of ViBE ViBE starts a hatch in Scarlett's natural Brood lords drifting back towrds Scarlett's base spores finish for ViBE to defend the new hatch from mutas Broods siege the last base
26:00 S 151 vs V 80 Scarlett not targeting and broodlings just hittling locusts Swarm hosts redirecting fire towards Scarlett's original natural Scarlett starts 2 more hatches on the left side of the map
27:00 S 145 vs V 80 Spire for Scarlett IT harassing an expansion of Scarlett bottom right hatch of Scarlett dies Scarlett finds the burrowed infestors
28:00 S 144 vs V 77 ViBe moves his swarm hosts forward to engage infestors of ViBE die +1 air attack for Scarlett more mutas for Scarlett ViBE ggs! Scarlett wins 2-1!
On July 16 2013 08:57 Bibbit wrote: I suppose its easy to get caught up on being sensitive as it is a sensitive issue. (One that I reckon doesnt belong here, I'll shut up).
Yeah, much better to go discuss it in the Twitch chat. Calmly and rationally, of course.
I would imagine HerO would beat Scarlett, but I can see Oz losing to her. Interesting. Perhaps it would have been more sensible for Oz to lose to HerO, beat Vibe, then beat HerO...
On July 16 2013 09:03 Larkin wrote: I would imagine HerO would beat Scarlett, but I can see Oz losing to her. Interesting. Perhaps it would have been more sensible for Oz to lose to HerO, beat Vibe, then beat HerO...
How does that make sense. If he lost and Hero won he could just as well have to play Scarlett anyway. Now at worst he has to play Hero again and only has to win one of these series.
0:00 Oz spawns in the top left Scarlett spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gateway first for Oz
2:00 pool first for Scarlett double gas for Oz hatch for Scarlett Cybernetics core for Oz
3:00 zealot for Oz gas for Scarlett zealot canceled Nexus for Oz MSC for Oz
4;00 4 lings run into the natural of Oz and force a cancel on a pylon lings chipping away at the Nexus but the MSC chases them away ling speed for Scarlett
On July 16 2013 09:03 Larkin wrote: I would imagine HerO would beat Scarlett, but I can see Oz losing to her. Interesting. Perhaps it would have been more sensible for Oz to lose to HerO, beat Vibe, then beat HerO...
That makes no sense. Your way he has to beat HerO in the last game which is asuming HerO loses to Scarlett (why that assumption? crazy talk)
Beating HerO first game, even if he loses to Scarlett (he's a favourite) will still have to beat HerO in the last game.
0:00 Oz spawns in the top left Scarlett spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gateway first for Oz
2:00 pool first for Scarlett double gas for Oz hatch for Scarlett Cybernetics core for Oz
3:00 zealot for Oz gas for Scarlett zealot canceled Nexus for Oz MSC for Oz
4;00 4 lings run into the natural of Oz and force a cancel on a pylon lings chipping away at the Nexus but the MSC chases them away ling speed for Scarlett
5:00 forge for Oz +1 attack for Oz robo for Oz
6:00 Lair for Scarlett evo for Scarlett 2nd gas for Scarlett 2nd gate for Oz 2 more gas for Oz +1 melee for Scarlett 2 more gas fr Scarlett Warp prism for Oz
7:00 50 vs 57 Oz going up to 4 gates 3rd base for Scarlett burrow for Scarlett Oz going up to 7 gates now infestation pit for Scarlett
8:00 64 vs 75 pathogen glands for Scarlett Oz attacking at the 3rd with zealot sentry infestors started for Scarlett 4 spines started for Scarlett
9:00 Scarlett lets her 3rd die and baits out some forcefields Oz warping in more units and pushing to the natural +2 melee for Scarlett
10:00 95 vs 83 Oz attacking into the spines fungal on the sentries It thrown out to stop the zealots Oz is breaking through the spines have all fallen twilight council for Oz Scarlett pulls her drones in the natural 2 more building spines are killed Scarlett ggs! Oz wins game 1!
0:00 Oz spawns in the top left Scarlett spawns in the bottom right
1:00 proxy pylon in the main of Scarlett
1:40 double proxy gate in the main of Scarlett
2:00 15 pool for Scarlett Hatch for Scarlett zealot started for Oz
3:00 queen for Scarlett 2 lings for Scarlett Oz waiting for 3 zealots before moving in Oz begins his attack Scarlett sends her drones to her natural
4:00 queen gets surrounded by 3 zealots and a probe and the queen is killed spine in the natural 3 zealots move down to the natural drone drill surround on the zealots scarlett ggs! Oz wins 2-0 and advances to the Ro16!
I don't get it. I understand playing to win. But why would Oz waste Scarlett's, the caster's, and everyone watching's time with just cheesing every game? It's unbelievable. So annoying and awful for the game.
On July 16 2013 09:29 Shellshock1122 wrote: I'm pretty tired so I don't think I'm gonna LR anymore. Not sure if anyone is even using it for these but if someone else wants to do it go ahead
I was just watching the HR Derby and missed the Oz-Scarlett series. Thanks for doing them, they're certainly useful.
On July 16 2013 09:34 Ikris wrote: I don't get it. I understand playing to win. But why would Oz waste Scarlett's, the caster's, and everyone watching's time with just cheesing every game? It's unbelievable. So annoying and awful for the game.
Clearly you don't understand playing to win as well you think. He's playing to win so why would he give a shit about anybody else's time?
On July 16 2013 09:34 Foudzing wrote: I just read your LR Shellshock, they're not useless.
sorry I can't do these games. I'm just too tired to focus. I was starting to zone out during some of the games and missing stuff :/ been up for like 28 hours
On July 16 2013 09:29 Shellshock1122 wrote: I'm pretty tired so I don't think I'm gonna LR anymore. Not sure if anyone is even using it for these but if someone else wants to do it go ahead
I was just watching the HR Derby and missed the Oz-Scarlett series. Thanks for doing them, they're certainly useful.
On July 16 2013 09:45 slowbacontron wrote: Haha, Shellshock's passion for ESPORTS transcends sleep! As it should.
Have to fix my sleep schedule. got messed up from all nighters to finish a semester project due last friday so just toughing it out today until I reach a reasonable time to sleep :/
On July 16 2013 09:34 Ikris wrote: I don't get it. I understand playing to win. But why would Oz waste Scarlett's, the caster's, and everyone watching's time with just cheesing every game? It's unbelievable. So annoying and awful for the game.
Without cheese this game would be bad. Cheesing is completely necessary in this game. I hate when people whine about it. Its legitimate. Wasting everyone's time? Maybe you need to find a different game, SC2 is not for you.
HerO opens up stargate doing a ton of damage killing at least 13 drones taking a fast 3rd behind it. HerO starts teching up to colossus and ViBE tries a ling hydra counter attack. HerO holds with his gateway army and photon overcharge. ViBE starts going for a swarm host composition behind taking his 4th. HerO builds up a colossus void ray force while he continues to harass with his phoenixes. Hero goes up to 3 stargates to stop triple void production as ViBE techs to hive. HerO moves through the middle of the map before vipers are out forcing the swarm hosts to retreat. Vibe makes a stand at his 3rd and is able to push HerO out and take a 40 supply lead. ViBE continues to siege HerO's 4th with swarmhosts while colossi burn the locusts. both players expand behind the siege stalemate and split the map on 6 bases. HerO begins his warp prism harass but is unable to break through the swarm host line at the front. HerO cleans up the main of ViBE with zealots and DTs and starts making tempests. Vibe turns his siege to the newer expansions of HerO. Warp prism harass continues to kill bases of ViBE. HerO gets a mothership to defend against locusts easier. Stalemate lasts for a while Vibe gets a fungal all over the army of HerO and takes out a majority of the void rays. corruptors give chase and kill the mothership
I'll LR the next game in full. I just needed a break to get a drink
On July 16 2013 09:34 Foudzing wrote: I just read your LR Shellshock, they're not useless.
sorry I can't do these games. I'm just too tired to focus. I was starting to zone out during some of the games and missing stuff :/ been up for like 28 hours
On July 16 2013 09:29 Shellshock1122 wrote: I'm pretty tired so I don't think I'm gonna LR anymore. Not sure if anyone is even using it for these but if someone else wants to do it go ahead
I was just watching the HR Derby and missed the Oz-Scarlett series. Thanks for doing them, they're certainly useful.
how's that been so far?
Sorry, I just went back to watching. Fielder disappointed with 5, then Cuddyer surprised with 7, and Cespedes went off with like 17. Then the hometown guy Alvarez just hit only 6. Davis up next.
HerO opens up stargate doing a ton of damage killing at least 13 drones taking a fast 3rd behind it. HerO starts teching up to colossus and ViBE tries a ling hydra counter attack. HerO holds with his gateway army and photon overcharge. ViBE starts going for a swarm host composition behind taking his 4th. HerO builds up a colossus void ray force while he continues to harass with his phoenixes. Hero goes up to 3 stargates to stop triple void production as ViBE techs to hive. HerO moves through the middle of the map before vipers are out forcing the swarm hosts to retreat. Vibe makes a stand at his 3rd and is able to push HerO out and take a 40 supply lead. ViBE continues to siege HerO's 4th with swarmhosts while colossi burn the locusts. both players expand behind the siege stalemate and split the map on 6 bases. HerO begins his warp prism harass but is unable to break through the swarm host line at the front. HerO cleans up the main of ViBE with zealots and DTs and starts making tempests. Vibe turns his siege to the newer expansions of HerO. Warp prism harass continues to kill bases of ViBE. HerO gets a mothership to defend against locusts easier. Stalemate lasts for a while Vibe gets a fungal all over the army of HerO and takes out a majority of the void rays. corruptors give chase and kill the mothership
I'll LR the next game in full. I just needed a break to get a drink
38:00 zealots going around killing some more hatches of ViBE ViBE attacking with his main army
39:00 HerO trying to hold at his 3rd base Corruptors are pushed back but another locust wave comes in HerO takes a 30 supply lead ViBE transitions into Ultras but HerO is making 6 void rays at at time lol this will be good
40:00 swarm hosts start getting hit by tempests and vibe retreats across the map DTs killing the base at the top of the map of ViBE spire rebuilding for ViBE
HerO opens up stargate doing a ton of damage killing at least 13 drones taking a fast 3rd behind it. HerO starts teching up to colossus and ViBE tries a ling hydra counter attack. HerO holds with his gateway army and photon overcharge. ViBE starts going for a swarm host composition behind taking his 4th. HerO builds up a colossus void ray force while he continues to harass with his phoenixes. Hero goes up to 3 stargates to stop triple void production as ViBE techs to hive. HerO moves through the middle of the map before vipers are out forcing the swarm hosts to retreat. Vibe makes a stand at his 3rd and is able to push HerO out and take a 40 supply lead. ViBE continues to siege HerO's 4th with swarmhosts while colossi burn the locusts. both players expand behind the siege stalemate and split the map on 6 bases. HerO begins his warp prism harass but is unable to break through the swarm host line at the front. HerO cleans up the main of ViBE with zealots and DTs and starts making tempests. Vibe turns his siege to the newer expansions of HerO. Warp prism harass continues to kill bases of ViBE. HerO gets a mothership to defend against locusts easier. Stalemate lasts for a while Vibe gets a fungal all over the army of HerO and takes out a majority of the void rays. corruptors give chase and kill the mothership
I'll LR the next game in full. I just needed a break to get a drink
38:00 zealots going around killing some more hatches of ViBE ViBE attacking with his main army
39:00 HerO trying to hold at his 3rd base Corruptors are pushed back but another locust wave comes in HerO takes a 30 supply lead ViBE transitions into Ultras but HerO is making 6 void rays at at time lol this will be good
40:00 swarm hosts start getting hit by tempests and vibe retreats across the map DTs killing the base at the top of the map of ViBE spire rebuilding for ViBE
41:00 Vibe scrambling to rebuild some of his hatcheries as he is down to 1 good mining base more and more void rays coming out for HerO Vibe pushing towards the 5th base of herO at the top of the map and begins his swarm host siege Supplies are equal
42:00 HerO moves along the bottom of the map with his main army cleaning up creep 10 void rays 3 tempests 2 colossi out for herO now ultras and locusts kill the 5th of HerO but it's mostly mined out VIBE WALKS ALL OF HIS SWARM HOSTS INTO THE ARMY OF HERO AND LOSES A TON OF THEM
43:00 HerO takes a 20 supply lead Vibe remakes the supply in infestors HerO pushing across the map now ultras attacking HerO's last mining base HerO kills Vibe's center mining base ViBe takes a stand at his center right base with a bunch of static defense and infestors
44:00 HerO is 20 supply ahead and goes in for the attack at the base of ViBE fungal hits the void rays of HerO ITs are thrown out HerO has no amost no mining Void rays getting pulled into spores Vibe is running out of anti airVibe making some hydras but htey spawn 1 by 1 and get killed by voids ultras move into the natural of HerO and start killing builds HerO only distance mining now HerO moves to the top base of Vibe that has a bunch of spores
Ughh I HATE watching this style of zerg in PvZ, so slow and generally boring (imo) T__T but it's very strong so obviously you'd want to use it if you're good with it, not like you can blame Vibe for wanting to. At this point it does seem like hero has this won though :O
HerO opens up stargate doing a ton of damage killing at least 13 drones taking a fast 3rd behind it. HerO starts teching up to colossus and ViBE tries a ling hydra counter attack. HerO holds with his gateway army and photon overcharge. ViBE starts going for a swarm host composition behind taking his 4th. HerO builds up a colossus void ray force while he continues to harass with his phoenixes. Hero goes up to 3 stargates to stop triple void production as ViBE techs to hive. HerO moves through the middle of the map before vipers are out forcing the swarm hosts to retreat. Vibe makes a stand at his 3rd and is able to push HerO out and take a 40 supply lead. ViBE continues to siege HerO's 4th with swarmhosts while colossi burn the locusts. both players expand behind the siege stalemate and split the map on 6 bases. HerO begins his warp prism harass but is unable to break through the swarm host line at the front. HerO cleans up the main of ViBE with zealots and DTs and starts making tempests. Vibe turns his siege to the newer expansions of HerO. Warp prism harass continues to kill bases of ViBE. HerO gets a mothership to defend against locusts easier. Stalemate lasts for a while Vibe gets a fungal all over the army of HerO and takes out a majority of the void rays. corruptors give chase and kill the mothership
I'll LR the next game in full. I just needed a break to get a drink
38:00 zealots going around killing some more hatches of ViBE ViBE attacking with his main army
39:00 HerO trying to hold at his 3rd base Corruptors are pushed back but another locust wave comes in HerO takes a 30 supply lead ViBE transitions into Ultras but HerO is making 6 void rays at at time lol this will be good
40:00 swarm hosts start getting hit by tempests and vibe retreats across the map DTs killing the base at the top of the map of ViBE spire rebuilding for ViBE
41:00 Vibe scrambling to rebuild some of his hatcheries as he is down to 1 good mining base more and more void rays coming out for HerO Vibe pushing towards the 5th base of herO at the top of the map and begins his swarm host siege Supplies are equal
42:00 HerO moves along the bottom of the map with his main army cleaning up creep 10 void rays 3 tempests 2 colossi out for herO now ultras and locusts kill the 5th of HerO but it's mostly mined out VIBE WALKS ALL OF HIS SWARM HOSTS INTO THE ARMY OF HERO AND LOSES A TON OF THEM
43:00 HerO takes a 20 supply lead Vibe remakes the supply in infestors HerO pushing across the map now ultras attacking HerO's last mining base HerO kills Vibe's center mining base ViBe takes a stand at his center right base with a bunch of static defense and infestors
44:00 HerO is 20 supply ahead and goes in for the attack at the base of ViBE fungal hits the void rays of HerO ITs are thrown out HerO has no amost no mining Void rays getting pulled into spores Vibe is running out of anti airVibe making some hydras but htey spawn 1 by 1 and get killed by voids ultras move into the natural of HerO and start killing builds HerO only distance mining now HerO moves to the top base of Vibe that has a bunch of spores
46:00 106 vs 80 Vibe rebuilding his pool HerO loses his natural tempests chipping away at static D HerO warps in a bunch of zealots to attack the base a tempest gets abducted into spores and dies a 2nd tempest survives
47:00 77 vs 61 ViBE rebuilding his Lair at his top right base the hydras of ViBE are all taken out HerO finally sends his army home to finish off the ultras of ViBe that were base trading
48:00 77 vs 52 Void rays are flying around the map killing shit HerO rebuilding a nexus at the top and at the central base Hydra den rebuilding for ViBE
49:00 79 vs 31 HerO regroups his army and pushes across the map again to deny any attempts by ViBE to take the central base with minerals infestation pit for ViBE HerO has a mining base again more spores for ViBE at his last base in the top right
50:00 78 vs 31 HerO making another nexus in the bottom right expansion that is normally blocked by rocks which still has minerals 2 tempests 1 colossus 6 voids for HerO 5 swarm hosts for ViBE Hive for ViBE
wow Vibe suddenly went loco. But Ultras don't really care about Voidrays most of the time and they are fast enough to avoid it and they force instant charge otherwise the ground army is instant dead. Could be a problem if the toss is on your side of the map, but that will never happen.
I don't see why everyone is focusing solely on the Ultras and the swarm host lost, Vibe's defense against those DTs and Zealots warped into his base was pretty sub-par as well
On July 16 2013 10:07 Wombat_NI wrote: I don't see why everyone is focusing solely on the Ultras and the swarm host lost, Vibe's defense against those DTs and Zealots warped into his base was pretty sub-par as well
And yet Vibe was still INSANELY ahead in a split map situation (free units > not free units in low eco) and managed to throw it.
This style is so ridiculous in split map situations.
On July 16 2013 10:06 PhoenixVoid wrote: Shoot, I just missed one of the greatest throws in WCS history.
Wasn't that great of a throw, just your standard set a small portion of your swarm hosts locus rally to a location and not realizing your unburrowed swarmhosts are going to run there as well. Its pretty easy to do as a zerg if you aren't paying good attention
as an aside, how is this map still being used? It tends to be the same exact match every time
random shit in the early game somewhat exciting mid game LATE LATE LATE game for an hour regardless of what happened previously
HerO opens up stargate doing a ton of damage killing at least 13 drones taking a fast 3rd behind it. HerO starts teching up to colossus and ViBE tries a ling hydra counter attack. HerO holds with his gateway army and photon overcharge. ViBE starts going for a swarm host composition behind taking his 4th. HerO builds up a colossus void ray force while he continues to harass with his phoenixes. Hero goes up to 3 stargates to stop triple void production as ViBE techs to hive. HerO moves through the middle of the map before vipers are out forcing the swarm hosts to retreat. Vibe makes a stand at his 3rd and is able to push HerO out and take a 40 supply lead. ViBE continues to siege HerO's 4th with swarmhosts while colossi burn the locusts. both players expand behind the siege stalemate and split the map on 6 bases. HerO begins his warp prism harass but is unable to break through the swarm host line at the front. HerO cleans up the main of ViBE with zealots and DTs and starts making tempests. Vibe turns his siege to the newer expansions of HerO. Warp prism harass continues to kill bases of ViBE. HerO gets a mothership to defend against locusts easier. Stalemate lasts for a while Vibe gets a fungal all over the army of HerO and takes out a majority of the void rays. corruptors give chase and kill the mothership
I'll LR the next game in full. I just needed a break to get a drink
38:00 zealots going around killing some more hatches of ViBE ViBE attacking with his main army
39:00 HerO trying to hold at his 3rd base Corruptors are pushed back but another locust wave comes in HerO takes a 30 supply lead ViBE transitions into Ultras but HerO is making 6 void rays at at time lol this will be good
40:00 swarm hosts start getting hit by tempests and vibe retreats across the map DTs killing the base at the top of the map of ViBE spire rebuilding for ViBE
41:00 Vibe scrambling to rebuild some of his hatcheries as he is down to 1 good mining base more and more void rays coming out for HerO Vibe pushing towards the 5th base of herO at the top of the map and begins his swarm host siege Supplies are equal
42:00 HerO moves along the bottom of the map with his main army cleaning up creep 10 void rays 3 tempests 2 colossi out for herO now ultras and locusts kill the 5th of HerO but it's mostly mined out VIBE WALKS ALL OF HIS SWARM HOSTS INTO THE ARMY OF HERO AND LOSES A TON OF THEM
43:00 HerO takes a 20 supply lead Vibe remakes the supply in infestors HerO pushing across the map now ultras attacking HerO's last mining base HerO kills Vibe's center mining base ViBe takes a stand at his center right base with a bunch of static defense and infestors
44:00 HerO is 20 supply ahead and goes in for the attack at the base of ViBE fungal hits the void rays of HerO ITs are thrown out HerO has no amost no mining Void rays getting pulled into spores Vibe is running out of anti airVibe making some hydras but htey spawn 1 by 1 and get killed by voids ultras move into the natural of HerO and start killing builds HerO only distance mining now HerO moves to the top base of Vibe that has a bunch of spores
46:00 106 vs 80 Vibe rebuilding his pool HerO loses his natural tempests chipping away at static D HerO warps in a bunch of zealots to attack the base a tempest gets abducted into spores and dies a 2nd tempest survives
47:00 77 vs 61 ViBE rebuilding his Lair at his top right base the hydras of ViBE are all taken out HerO finally sends his army home to finish off the ultras of ViBe that were base trading
48:00 77 vs 52 Void rays are flying around the map killing shit HerO rebuilding a nexus at the top and at the central base Hydra den rebuilding for ViBE
49:00 79 vs 31 HerO regroups his army and pushes across the map again to deny any attempts by ViBE to take the central base with minerals infestation pit for ViBE HerO has a mining base again more spores for ViBE at his last base in the top right
50:00 78 vs 31 HerO making another nexus in the bottom right expansion that is normally blocked by rocks which still has minerals 2 tempests 1 colossus 6 voids for HerO 5 swarm hosts for ViBE Hive for ViBE
51:00 84 vs 37 HerO is mining against from 2 bases forge for HerO 2 zealots walking around killing creep tumors
52:00 90 vs 37 ViBe moves his static defense forward to try and take the central base on the right side Vipers started for ViBE
53:00 99 vs 43 Cybernetics core for herO 2 more void rays for herO oracle for HerO 3rd Viper for Vibe
54:00 108 vs 45 Robo for HerO mothership core or HerO
55:00 109 vs 53 zealot runby to the top right base of ViBE tries to take out the infestation pit but Vibe saves it Robo bay for HerO infestors for ViBE
It annoys me that HerO didn't kill the extractors in the bottom right :< Not that they are useful in any way, the minimap would just be much prettier if he cleaned it up.
I have seriously never seen someone lose their hive three times and still be ahead until this game. And then you walk your swarm hosts into his army...
On July 16 2013 10:07 Wombat_NI wrote: I don't see why everyone is focusing solely on the Ultras and the swarm host lost, Vibe's defense against those DTs and Zealots warped into his base was pretty sub-par as well
And yet Vibe was still INSANELY ahead in a split map situation (free units > not free units in low eco) and managed to throw it.
This style is so ridiculous in split map situations.
It's close to BL/Infestor levels of obnoxiousness, insanely hard to break but at least it's only an issue on split maps largely
On July 16 2013 10:06 PhoenixVoid wrote: Shoot, I just missed one of the greatest throws in WCS history.
Wasn't that great of a throw, just your standard set a small portion of your swarm hosts locus rally to a location and not realizing your unburrowed swarmhosts are going to run there as well. Its pretty easy to do as a zerg if you aren't paying good attention
as an aside, how is this map still being used? It tends to be the same exact match every time
random shit in the early game somewhat exciting mid game LATE LATE LATE game for an hour regardless of what happened previously
rinse repeat
It's the legacy of Daybreak man. There has to be one.
On July 16 2013 10:06 PhoenixVoid wrote: Shoot, I just missed one of the greatest throws in WCS history.
Wasn't that great of a throw, just your standard set a small portion of your swarm hosts locus rally to a location and not realizing your unburrowed swarmhosts are going to run there as well. Its pretty easy to do as a zerg if you aren't paying good attention
as an aside, how is this map still being used? It tends to be the same exact match every time
random shit in the early game somewhat exciting mid game LATE LATE LATE game for an hour regardless of what happened previously
rinse repeat
It's the legacy of Daybreak man. There has to be one.
But daybreak games were pretty dynamic compared to this map. Sure you had your split map hour long games on daybreak but you also had your 10 pools your 2 or 3 base timing attacks. Daybreak was a legitimately good map.
I'm thinking the best course of action for HerO is just maxing out on the best possible army and pushing on max supply, because ViBE isn't going to build a significant army any time soon. HerO's small pokes might weaken the massive lead he currently occupies, so to take the safer path, just max out.
The casters tried way too hard to make the game sound close during the last 20+ minutes >.> Not sure if I'm a fan of not calling a game when it's over. But I guess they have to talk about something.
Also, unit of the game: "The big mothership core" lol
On July 16 2013 10:07 Wombat_NI wrote: I don't see why everyone is focusing solely on the Ultras and the swarm host lost, Vibe's defense against those DTs and Zealots warped into his base was pretty sub-par as well
Yea, like 10+ Spines at the top-right base and none in his main with over 1000 minerals >_>.
HerO opens up stargate doing a ton of damage killing at least 13 drones taking a fast 3rd behind it. HerO starts teching up to colossus and ViBE tries a ling hydra counter attack. HerO holds with his gateway army and photon overcharge. ViBE starts going for a swarm host composition behind taking his 4th. HerO builds up a colossus void ray force while he continues to harass with his phoenixes. Hero goes up to 3 stargates to stop triple void production as ViBE techs to hive. HerO moves through the middle of the map before vipers are out forcing the swarm hosts to retreat. Vibe makes a stand at his 3rd and is able to push HerO out and take a 40 supply lead. ViBE continues to siege HerO's 4th with swarmhosts while colossi burn the locusts. both players expand behind the siege stalemate and split the map on 6 bases. HerO begins his warp prism harass but is unable to break through the swarm host line at the front. HerO cleans up the main of ViBE with zealots and DTs and starts making tempests. Vibe turns his siege to the newer expansions of HerO. Warp prism harass continues to kill bases of ViBE. HerO gets a mothership to defend against locusts easier. Stalemate lasts for a while Vibe gets a fungal all over the army of HerO and takes out a majority of the void rays. corruptors give chase and kill the mothership
I'll LR the next game in full. I just needed a break to get a drink
38:00 zealots going around killing some more hatches of ViBE ViBE attacking with his main army
39:00 HerO trying to hold at his 3rd base Corruptors are pushed back but another locust wave comes in HerO takes a 30 supply lead ViBE transitions into Ultras but HerO is making 6 void rays at at time lol this will be good
40:00 swarm hosts start getting hit by tempests and vibe retreats across the map DTs killing the base at the top of the map of ViBE spire rebuilding for ViBE
41:00 Vibe scrambling to rebuild some of his hatcheries as he is down to 1 good mining base more and more void rays coming out for HerO Vibe pushing towards the 5th base of herO at the top of the map and begins his swarm host siege Supplies are equal
42:00 HerO moves along the bottom of the map with his main army cleaning up creep 10 void rays 3 tempests 2 colossi out for herO now ultras and locusts kill the 5th of HerO but it's mostly mined out VIBE WALKS ALL OF HIS SWARM HOSTS INTO THE ARMY OF HERO AND LOSES A TON OF THEM
43:00 HerO takes a 20 supply lead Vibe remakes the supply in infestors HerO pushing across the map now ultras attacking HerO's last mining base HerO kills Vibe's center mining base ViBe takes a stand at his center right base with a bunch of static defense and infestors
44:00 HerO is 20 supply ahead and goes in for the attack at the base of ViBE fungal hits the void rays of HerO ITs are thrown out HerO has no amost no mining Void rays getting pulled into spores Vibe is running out of anti airVibe making some hydras but htey spawn 1 by 1 and get killed by voids ultras move into the natural of HerO and start killing builds HerO only distance mining now HerO moves to the top base of Vibe that has a bunch of spores
46:00 106 vs 80 Vibe rebuilding his pool HerO loses his natural tempests chipping away at static D HerO warps in a bunch of zealots to attack the base a tempest gets abducted into spores and dies a 2nd tempest survives
47:00 77 vs 61 ViBE rebuilding his Lair at his top right base the hydras of ViBE are all taken out HerO finally sends his army home to finish off the ultras of ViBe that were base trading
48:00 77 vs 52 Void rays are flying around the map killing shit HerO rebuilding a nexus at the top and at the central base Hydra den rebuilding for ViBE
49:00 79 vs 31 HerO regroups his army and pushes across the map again to deny any attempts by ViBE to take the central base with minerals infestation pit for ViBE HerO has a mining base again more spores for ViBE at his last base in the top right
50:00 78 vs 31 HerO making another nexus in the bottom right expansion that is normally blocked by rocks which still has minerals 2 tempests 1 colossus 6 voids for HerO 5 swarm hosts for ViBE Hive for ViBE
51:00 84 vs 37 HerO is mining against from 2 bases forge for HerO 2 zealots walking around killing creep tumors
52:00 90 vs 37 ViBe moves his static defense forward to try and take the central base on the right side Vipers started for ViBE
53:00 99 vs 43 Cybernetics core for herO 2 more void rays for herO oracle for HerO 3rd Viper for Vibe
54:00 108 vs 45 Robo for HerO mothership core or HerO
55:00 109 vs 53 zealot runby to the top right base of ViBE tries to take out the infestation pit but Vibe saves it Robo bay for HerO infestors for ViBE
56:00 112 vs 54 Void rays and tempests move behind the top base of ViBe killing all of his tech structures and his Hive Hydra swarm host harass at the bottom right base of HerO HerO abandons his base
57:00 110 vs 55 HerO tries to break the last base of Vibe but is pushed back by the static defense colossus production for HerO Lair finishes for Vibe Nexus for HerO in the top left another void ray is taken out by vipers and spores
58:00 125 vs 54 hydralisk den
59:00 133 vs 62 Hydras for Vibe
60:00 149 vs 74 Tempests chipping away at static defense observer abducted into spores hatch for Vibe in the bottom right tempest abducted into spores and killed zealots deny the bottom right base
On July 16 2013 10:06 PhoenixVoid wrote: Shoot, I just missed one of the greatest throws in WCS history.
Wasn't that great of a throw, just your standard set a small portion of your swarm hosts locus rally to a location and not realizing your unburrowed swarmhosts are going to run there as well. Its pretty easy to do as a zerg if you aren't paying good attention
as an aside, how is this map still being used? It tends to be the same exact match every time
random shit in the early game somewhat exciting mid game LATE LATE LATE game for an hour regardless of what happened previously
rinse repeat
It's the legacy of Daybreak man. There has to be one.
But daybreak games were pretty dynamic compared to this map. Sure you had your split map hour long games on daybreak but you also had your 10 pools your 2 or 3 base timing attacks. Daybreak was a legitimately good map.
This....
Those work on Newkirk just as well as on Daybreak.
On July 16 2013 10:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: The casters tried way too hard to make the game sound close during the last 20+ minutes >.> Not sure if I'm a fan of not calling a game when it's over. But I guess they have to talk about something.
Also, unit of the game: "The big mothership core" lol
It was actually nice to see that floating harbinger of spacetime manipulation, and after WoL I really never saw myself admitting that. I'd long thought in theory the cloak would lessen the slow chipping away of your forces that the locusts do and it does appear to work pretty well in that capacity.
On July 16 2013 10:07 Wombat_NI wrote: I don't see why everyone is focusing solely on the Ultras and the swarm host lost, Vibe's defense against those DTs and Zealots warped into his base was pretty sub-par as well
And yet Vibe was still INSANELY ahead in a split map situation (free units > not free units in low eco) and managed to throw it.
This style is so ridiculous in split map situations.
It's close to BL/Infestor levels of obnoxiousness, insanely hard to break but at least it's only an issue on split maps largely
I genuinely think it's more boring because at least I got the satisfaction of marines dying to infestors before :/
HerO opens up stargate doing a ton of damage killing at least 13 drones taking a fast 3rd behind it. HerO starts teching up to colossus and ViBE tries a ling hydra counter attack. HerO holds with his gateway army and photon overcharge. ViBE starts going for a swarm host composition behind taking his 4th. HerO builds up a colossus void ray force while he continues to harass with his phoenixes. Hero goes up to 3 stargates to stop triple void production as ViBE techs to hive. HerO moves through the middle of the map before vipers are out forcing the swarm hosts to retreat. Vibe makes a stand at his 3rd and is able to push HerO out and take a 40 supply lead. ViBE continues to siege HerO's 4th with swarmhosts while colossi burn the locusts. both players expand behind the siege stalemate and split the map on 6 bases. HerO begins his warp prism harass but is unable to break through the swarm host line at the front. HerO cleans up the main of ViBE with zealots and DTs and starts making tempests. Vibe turns his siege to the newer expansions of HerO. Warp prism harass continues to kill bases of ViBE. HerO gets a mothership to defend against locusts easier. Stalemate lasts for a while Vibe gets a fungal all over the army of HerO and takes out a majority of the void rays. corruptors give chase and kill the mothership
I'll LR the next game in full. I just needed a break to get a drink
38:00 zealots going around killing some more hatches of ViBE ViBE attacking with his main army
39:00 HerO trying to hold at his 3rd base Corruptors are pushed back but another locust wave comes in HerO takes a 30 supply lead ViBE transitions into Ultras but HerO is making 6 void rays at at time lol this will be good
40:00 swarm hosts start getting hit by tempests and vibe retreats across the map DTs killing the base at the top of the map of ViBE spire rebuilding for ViBE
41:00 Vibe scrambling to rebuild some of his hatcheries as he is down to 1 good mining base more and more void rays coming out for HerO Vibe pushing towards the 5th base of herO at the top of the map and begins his swarm host siege Supplies are equal
42:00 HerO moves along the bottom of the map with his main army cleaning up creep 10 void rays 3 tempests 2 colossi out for herO now ultras and locusts kill the 5th of HerO but it's mostly mined out VIBE WALKS ALL OF HIS SWARM HOSTS INTO THE ARMY OF HERO AND LOSES A TON OF THEM
43:00 HerO takes a 20 supply lead Vibe remakes the supply in infestors HerO pushing across the map now ultras attacking HerO's last mining base HerO kills Vibe's center mining base ViBe takes a stand at his center right base with a bunch of static defense and infestors
44:00 HerO is 20 supply ahead and goes in for the attack at the base of ViBE fungal hits the void rays of HerO ITs are thrown out HerO has no amost no mining Void rays getting pulled into spores Vibe is running out of anti airVibe making some hydras but htey spawn 1 by 1 and get killed by voids ultras move into the natural of HerO and start killing builds HerO only distance mining now HerO moves to the top base of Vibe that has a bunch of spores
46:00 106 vs 80 Vibe rebuilding his pool HerO loses his natural tempests chipping away at static D HerO warps in a bunch of zealots to attack the base a tempest gets abducted into spores and dies a 2nd tempest survives
47:00 77 vs 61 ViBE rebuilding his Lair at his top right base the hydras of ViBE are all taken out HerO finally sends his army home to finish off the ultras of ViBe that were base trading
48:00 77 vs 52 Void rays are flying around the map killing shit HerO rebuilding a nexus at the top and at the central base Hydra den rebuilding for ViBE
49:00 79 vs 31 HerO regroups his army and pushes across the map again to deny any attempts by ViBE to take the central base with minerals infestation pit for ViBE HerO has a mining base again more spores for ViBE at his last base in the top right
50:00 78 vs 31 HerO making another nexus in the bottom right expansion that is normally blocked by rocks which still has minerals 2 tempests 1 colossus 6 voids for HerO 5 swarm hosts for ViBE Hive for ViBE
51:00 84 vs 37 HerO is mining against from 2 bases forge for HerO 2 zealots walking around killing creep tumors
52:00 90 vs 37 ViBe moves his static defense forward to try and take the central base on the right side Vipers started for ViBE
53:00 99 vs 43 Cybernetics core for herO 2 more void rays for herO oracle for HerO 3rd Viper for Vibe
54:00 108 vs 45 Robo for HerO mothership core or HerO
55:00 109 vs 53 zealot runby to the top right base of ViBE tries to take out the infestation pit but Vibe saves it Robo bay for HerO infestors for ViBE
56:00 112 vs 54 Void rays and tempests move behind the top base of ViBe killing all of his tech structures and his Hive Hydra swarm host harass at the bottom right base of HerO HerO abandons his base
57:00 110 vs 55 HerO tries to break the last base of Vibe but is pushed back by the static defense colossus production for HerO Lair finishes for Vibe Nexus for HerO in the top left another void ray is taken out by vipers and spores
58:00 125 vs 54 hydralisk den
59:00 133 vs 62 Hydras for Vibe
60:00 149 vs 74 Tempests chipping away at static defense observer abducted into spores hatch for Vibe in the bottom right tempest abducted into spores and killed zealots deny the bottom right base
61:00 155 vs 79 feedback hits some infestors Vibe pushing his static defense a little more out on the map infestation pit for Vibe
62:00 168 vs 80 oracle for HerO Vibe kills the center base of HerO HerO counter attacks the mining base of ViBE HerO attacks the static defense of ViBE storm all over the hydras
63:00 125 vs 40 ViBE finally ggs! HerO wins game 1
On July 16 2013 10:06 PhoenixVoid wrote: Shoot, I just missed one of the greatest throws in WCS history.
Wasn't that great of a throw, just your standard set a small portion of your swarm hosts locus rally to a location and not realizing your unburrowed swarmhosts are going to run there as well. Its pretty easy to do as a zerg if you aren't paying good attention
as an aside, how is this map still being used? It tends to be the same exact match every time
random shit in the early game somewhat exciting mid game LATE LATE LATE game for an hour regardless of what happened previously
rinse repeat
It's the legacy of Daybreak man. There has to be one.
But daybreak games were pretty dynamic compared to this map. Sure you had your split map hour long games on daybreak but you also had your 10 pools your 2 or 3 base timing attacks. Daybreak was a legitimately good map.
This....
Those work on Newkirk just as well as on Daybreak.
They're significantly less frequent as far as I can personally remember. I mean the first clue that this map wasn't good should have been when Kespa decided to completely remake it. I know they're using the Kespa version but it still isn't THAT good.
I'd rather see daybreak 100x over than have this map stay in the pool
i dont understand why all you guys are hating on this game. You honestly never know whats going to happen. He did at one point just nail a whole bunch of void rays with his fungals.
On July 16 2013 10:06 PhoenixVoid wrote: Shoot, I just missed one of the greatest throws in WCS history.
TEFEL DUDE
Mvp vs Innovation is up there as well.
only because It's innovation, though, and that's pretty much the only time he's ever lost after being that ahead.
and Mvp did play really fucking amazingly.
I think Tefel was a bigger throw by far--if you don't take into account the skill of the players--does that need to be taken into account when measuring greatest throws?
well, i would have loved this game when one of these huge battles would have ended it but how it ended it was mehhhh... vibe had this and threw it, and in the end it just took too long for him leaving.
On July 16 2013 10:18 blobrus wrote: It isn't really a balance problem, it's a boring problem. No casual would enjoy watching a 40+ minute game.
Why? You like 2 base all-ins?
They can be fun too, I like most styles that aren't turtling behind static defenses and spawning free units. Actually that game wasn't even that terrible for the first half or so, just got a bit silly towards the end.
In terms of HerO's endgame composition (well, far before the actual END of the game) I think he screwed up a little bit. He seemed to me to make a few too many Oracles for Envisioning, could have done with some more meaty units.
On July 16 2013 10:21 stuchiu wrote: Or maybe I'd ask Oz why he and Bisu like nexus first in PvP.
hahahaha that was so funny when oz did a nexus first, and then just died to blinkstalkers and artosis or whoever was casting said: " that's why you don't go nexus first in a pvp guys" :D:D that moment really
On July 16 2013 10:18 blobrus wrote: It isn't really a balance problem, it's a boring problem. No casual would enjoy watching a 40+ minute game.
What? I watched every second of that game and was not bored for even a second.
I did get pretty angry just because ViBE threw away a game that he should have had pretty easy. That's only because it makes me feel the player I was rooting against does not yet deserve to win. =(
Aside from my player losing, that game was very entertaining.
0:00 HerO spawns in the top left ViBE spawns in the bottom right
1:40 forge in main for HerO
2:00 Hatch first for ViBE HerO starting a pylon on the low ground behind the natural pool for ViBE cannon for HerO Overlord of ViBE sees everything gateway for HerO
3:00 pylon in the natural for HerO gas for HerO pylon block at the other potential 3rd of ViBE
4:00 Cybernetics core for herO 2 cannons in the natural of ViBE after the hatch is finished Hatch in the main of HerO HerO chronoboosting a zealot out 3rd cannon in the natural of ViBE lings force a cancel on 1 cannon 2 spines for ViBE 3 probes and a zealot dpsing the building hatch in HerO's main
5:00 HerO going up to 4 cannons in ViBe's natural ViBE repositions his 2 spines HerO target fires the hatch with his cannons and kills it 2 gas for ViBE
What I love about HerO is that he executes pretty hardcore cheese and standard/lategame play proficiently. Back in the day he was a bit too confident in playing PvZ for the lategame, to his detriment at times.
On July 16 2013 10:21 stuchiu wrote: Or maybe I'd ask Oz why he and Bisu like nexus first in PvP.
hahahaha that was so funny when oz did a nexus first, and then just died to blinkstalkers and artosis or whoever was casting said: " that's why you don't go nexus first in a pvp guys" :D:D that moment really
There was also a game where Oz forge fast expanded versus Terran. Needless to say he died.
0:00 HerO spawns in the top left ViBE spawns in the bottom right
1:40 forge in main for HerO
2:00 Hatch first for ViBE HerO starting a pylon on the low ground behind the natural pool for ViBE cannon for HerO Overlord of ViBE sees everything gateway for HerO
3:00 pylon in the natural for HerO gas for HerO pylon block at the other potential 3rd of ViBE
4:00 Cybernetics core for herO 2 cannons in the natural of ViBE after the hatch is finished Hatch in the main of HerO HerO chronoboosting a zealot out 3rd cannon in the natural of ViBE lings force a cancel on 1 cannon 2 spines for ViBE 3 probes and a zealot dpsing the building hatch in HerO's main
5:00 HerO going up to 4 cannons in ViBe's natural ViBE repositions his 2 spines HerO target fires the hatch with his cannons and kills it 2 gas for ViBE
6:00 Nexus for HerO MSC for HerO ViBE finally cleans up the cannons in his natural natural hatch for ViBE
7:00 37 vs 29 burrow for Vibe 3 more gates for HerO Roach warren for ViBE
8:00 42 vs 28 Roaches started for Vibe +1 attack for HerO stargate for HerO
9:00 50 vs 50 HerO is ahead by 16 workers hallucinated phoenix scouts roaches moving across the map HerO has 5 sentries at home HerO starts 2 more cannons at his wall forcefields holding roaches back
10:00 60 vs 56 Void ray for HerO Vibe moves around to break down HerO's back rocks HerO has a 44-22 worker lead now Void ray starts attacking roaches as they break down the back rocks robo for HerO
On July 16 2013 10:21 stuchiu wrote: Or maybe I'd ask Oz why he and Bisu like nexus first in PvP.
hahahaha that was so funny when oz did a nexus first, and then just died to blinkstalkers and artosis or whoever was casting said: " that's why you don't go nexus first in a pvp guys" :D:D that moment really
There was also a game where Oz forge fast expanded versus Terran. Needless to say he died.
That build was good man.
I hope all you people insulting the glorious Wizard himself are merely joshing, poor Oz
On July 16 2013 10:21 stuchiu wrote: Or maybe I'd ask Oz why he and Bisu like nexus first in PvP.
hahahaha that was so funny when oz did a nexus first, and then just died to blinkstalkers and artosis or whoever was casting said: " that's why you don't go nexus first in a pvp guys" :D:D that moment really
There was also a game where Oz forge fast expanded versus Terran. Needless to say he died.
A lot of Protoss were doing that though. ST tosses, Sase, Naniwa, a few foreigner tosses were even saying it was the build of the future. And then Mvp 11/11'd all of them.
0:00 HerO spawns in the top left ViBE spawns in the bottom right
1:40 forge in main for HerO
2:00 Hatch first for ViBE HerO starting a pylon on the low ground behind the natural pool for ViBE cannon for HerO Overlord of ViBE sees everything gateway for HerO
3:00 pylon in the natural for HerO gas for HerO pylon block at the other potential 3rd of ViBE
4:00 Cybernetics core for herO 2 cannons in the natural of ViBE after the hatch is finished Hatch in the main of HerO HerO chronoboosting a zealot out 3rd cannon in the natural of ViBE lings force a cancel on 1 cannon 2 spines for ViBE 3 probes and a zealot dpsing the building hatch in HerO's main
5:00 HerO going up to 4 cannons in ViBe's natural ViBE repositions his 2 spines HerO target fires the hatch with his cannons and kills it 2 gas for ViBE
6:00 Nexus for HerO MSC for HerO ViBE finally cleans up the cannons in his natural natural hatch for ViBE
7:00 37 vs 29 burrow for Vibe 3 more gates for HerO Roach warren for ViBE
8:00 42 vs 28 Roaches started for Vibe +1 attack for HerO stargate for HerO
9:00 50 vs 50 HerO is ahead by 16 workers hallucinated phoenix scouts roaches moving across the map HerO has 5 sentries at home HerO starts 2 more cannons at his wall forcefields holding roaches back
10:00 60 vs 56 Void ray for HerO Vibe moves around to break down HerO's back rocks HerO has a 44-22 worker lead now Void ray starts attacking roaches as they break down the back rocks robo for HerO
11:00 73 vs. 76 roaches burrowing to not die to voids. 2 voids out now observer on the way for HerO forcefields on the ramp Observer is out now and HerO kills all of the roaches
12:00 90 vs 52 warp prism for HerO Vibe ggs! HerO wins 2-0! ViBE falls to the challenger division
On July 16 2013 10:25 Dodgin wrote: I wonder why sOs never cannon rushes on this map
because you'd expect him to
MINDMINDMINDMIND MINDGAMES
Turtling to Voids is a stronger option probably as well. That said, sOs seems to enjoy doing things the hard way for his own amusement so his lack of cannon rushing there mystifies me
On July 16 2013 10:28 Dodgin wrote: I thought twitch chat was bad before but now they spam some thing about raising your jaedongs? jesus *hide chat forever*
lol that's the best feature of watching the stream on tl. you won't see the chat until you click on this button.
On July 16 2013 10:18 blobrus wrote: It isn't really a balance problem, it's a boring problem. No casual would enjoy watching a 40+ minute game.
Tell that to LoL fans.
Yeah, man that's like a short game to them
Only in Europe where when a team gets a lead they spend 40 minutes farming until someone finally attacks. In murica when a team gets a lead they immediately go full foreigner, makes for some good viewing.
9:40 Shellshock quits. Hero attacks while Scarlett with a bunch of gates and msc. Scarlett breaks it.
11:00 Hero's void ray comes out, but Scarlett counters and cancels Hero's 3rd. Hero thinks of Alicia as he continues to make Void rays and double stargate. Hydra den building.
13:00 More roaches more hydras. 2011 ZvP meta making a comeback.
9:40 Shellshock quits. Hero attacks while Scarlett with a bunch of gates and msc. Scarlett breaks it.
11:00 Hero's void ray comes out, but Scarlett counters and cancels Hero's 3rd. Hero thinks of Alicia as he continues to make Void rays and double stargate. Hydra den building.
13:00 More roaches more hydras. 2011 ZvP meta making a comeback.
14:00 110 supply for Hero. 184 count push by Scarlett. 3rd killed by Scarlett. Some voids die, but it doesn't matter. Hero knows void rays are the key to victory.
9:40 Shellshock quits. Hero attacks while Scarlett with a bunch of gates and msc. Scarlett breaks it.
11:00 Hero's void ray comes out, but Scarlett counters and cancels Hero's 3rd. Hero thinks of Alicia as he continues to make Void rays and double stargate. Hydra den building.
13:00 More roaches more hydras. 2011 ZvP meta making a comeback.
14:00 110 supply for Hero. 184 count push by Scarlett. 3rd killed by Scarlett. Some voids die, but it doesn't matter. Hero knows void rays are the key to victory.
random question, how come WCS AM wasn't going to open with the reigning champion? Both the other regions began with Soulkey and MVP but had Hero not had whatever scheduling conflict was talked about earlier he wouldn't have been first
On July 16 2013 10:53 chipmonklord17 wrote: random question, how come WCS AM wasn't going to open with the reigning champion? Both the other regions began with Soulkey and MVP but had Hero not had whatever scheduling conflict was talked about earlier he wouldn't have been first
How do they choose the groups anyway? I thought that it was more or less randomized.
On July 16 2013 10:53 chipmonklord17 wrote: random question, how come WCS AM wasn't going to open with the reigning champion? Both the other regions began with Soulkey and MVP but had Hero not had whatever scheduling conflict was talked about earlier he wouldn't have been first
How do they choose the groups anyway? I thought that it was more or less randomized.
Like who gets what letter or who was in who's group? Pretty sure the other regions at least A was previous winner, B was previous runner up, C/D had the 3rd/4th and ect. Then the groups were someone who came in 1st in up and downs, someone in second, and someone from groups randomly. I think the lowest seed (like for example Oz today) were the people who came in 2nd. in up and down group
nvm I am right, I forgot Hero/Oz was the first match of the day
I have a horrible confession. I was accidentally napping during the Scarlett vs Oz series. That must be why she lost. Now that I'm awake all should be well.
Besides, Scarlett gets a 20% Buff against anyone who can claim the title of "WCS American Champion", couple that with Hero lacking the winter buff and I think it's clear to see Scarlett will win this.
On July 16 2013 10:55 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I really want to turn adblock off for this, but there's a new add that keeps crashing my stream every time it comes up.
On July 16 2013 10:55 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I really want to turn adblock off for this, but there's a new add that keeps crashing my stream every time it comes up.
TL+ yo
No, I meant for the stream. Teamliquid hasn't given me any problems.
On July 16 2013 10:57 TheDougler wrote: I have a horrible confession. I was accidentally napping during the Scarlett vs Oz series. That must be why she lost. Now that I'm awake all should be well.
Besides, Scarlett gets a 20% Buff against anyone who can claim the title of "WCS American Champion", couple that with Hero lacking the winter buff and I think it's clear to see Scarlett will win this.
Wow why would you do that to Scarlett at such a critical time? Thats pretty awful, man.
On July 16 2013 10:53 chipmonklord17 wrote: random question, how come WCS AM wasn't going to open with the reigning champion? Both the other regions began with Soulkey and MVP but had Hero not had whatever scheduling conflict was talked about earlier he wouldn't have been first
How do they choose the groups anyway? I thought that it was more or less randomized.
Like who gets what letter or who was in who's group? Pretty sure the other regions at least A was previous winner, B was previous runner up, C/D had the 3rd/4th and ect. Then the groups were someone who came in 1st in up and downs, someone in second, and someone from groups randomly. I think the lowest seed (like for example Oz today) were the people who came in 2nd. in up and down group
nvm I am right, I forgot Hero/Oz was the first match of the day
On July 16 2013 10:53 chipmonklord17 wrote: random question, how come WCS AM wasn't going to open with the reigning champion? Both the other regions began with Soulkey and MVP but had Hero not had whatever scheduling conflict was talked about earlier he wouldn't have been first
How do they choose the groups anyway? I thought that it was more or less randomized.
Like who gets what letter or who was in who's group? Pretty sure the other regions at least A was previous winner, B was previous runner up, C/D had the 3rd/4th and ect. Then the groups were someone who came in 1st in up and downs, someone in second, and someone from groups randomly. I think the lowest seed (like for example Oz today) were the people who came in 2nd. in up and down group
nvm I am right, I forgot Hero/Oz was the first match of the day
No, the lettering of the groups.
Then yea refer to the beginning, pretty sure the other two regions game champion A, runner up B, 3rd/4th C/D, 5th/6th (as they are actually a thing now), E/F and then 7th and 8th G/H
AM, much like the rest of the stuff they do, just seems random as fuck
EDIT, apparently only Korea does it the way I mentioned. EU gave champ A and runner up B and then said fuck it, AM didn't even do that
On July 16 2013 10:55 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I really want to turn adblock off for this, but there's a new add that keeps crashing my stream every time it comes up.
TL+ yo
Wait, I have TL+ but I still get ads, including the add that crashes the stream (open it directly from twitch to not get that add Templar). How do I turn ads off with TL+?
hmm the question is: she sees the whole army moving out at the watchtower, all her infestors are burrowed at this moment. then her ling dies at the watchtower and she walks back with her whole army but she unburrows the infestors when she walks home. the question now is whyyy would you unburrow your infestors? i dont quite understand
On July 16 2013 10:55 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I really want to turn adblock off for this, but there's a new add that keeps crashing my stream every time it comes up.
TL+ yo
Wait, I have TL+ but I still get ads, including the add that crashes the stream (open it directly from twitch to not get that add Templar). How do I turn ads off with TL+?
TL + does not prevent twitch ads. That requires Turbo!
On July 16 2013 10:24 Wombat_NI wrote: Perhaps as an atypical game that can be said to be entertaining, if we saw it all the time I really doubt you'd feel that way.
Nope. If long games (30-50 minutes) were typical, I think we'd be able to do a lot of things with SC2. Things would have a lot more hype and SC2 would be able to get a lot more popular. In that scenario, a 1 hour game wouldn't really be "atypical"
On July 16 2013 11:10 Undead1993 wrote: hmm the question is: he sees the whole army moving out at the watchtower, all her infestors are burrowed at this moment. then her ling dies at the watchtower and walks back with her whole army but she unburrows the infestors when she walks home. the question now is whyyy would you unburrow your infestors? i dont quite understand
Might have been a mistake, but don't infestors move faster unburrowed? She probably wanted to get them back quick.
On July 16 2013 11:08 Darpa wrote: I constantly see scarlett lose to these timing attacks. really sucks. seems like she should have had that game if those infestors hadnt got caught.
Maybe she shouldn't go 10 pool into two base infestor into fast +3 attack and ultras and take a fourth base while moving out on the map with her infestors.
On July 16 2013 11:10 Undead1993 wrote: hmm the question is: he sees the whole army moving out at the watchtower, all her infestors are burrowed at this moment. then her ling dies at the watchtower and walks back with her whole army but she unburrows the infestors when she walks home. the question now is whyyy would you unburrow your infestors? i dont quite understand
Might have been a mistake, but don't infestors move faster unburrowed? She probably wanted to get them back quick.
ah mb now i understand hero had an oracle and probably she had seen it and oracle would ahve revealed the infestors anyways, then it makes sense, good timing by hero anyway a bit unfortunate though for scarlett being in the middle of the map
On July 16 2013 10:24 Wombat_NI wrote: Perhaps as an atypical game that can be said to be entertaining, if we saw it all the time I really doubt you'd feel that way.
Nope. If long games (30-50 minutes) were typical, I think we'd be able to do a lot of things with SC2. Things would have a lot more hype and SC2 would be able to get a lot more popular. In that scenario, a 1 hour game wouldn't really be "atypical"
Just to clarify, people don't dislike long games as a matter of course, but long games that resemble World War 2 trench warfare.
Well played Scarlett, smart play there in that game. Still mad and sad but tbh I do feel Scarlett is one of the stronger foreign players who got pretty unlucky with brackets last time around so hopefully can see a run for her
On July 16 2013 10:57 TheDougler wrote: I have a horrible confession. I was accidentally napping during the Scarlett vs Oz series. That must be why she lost. Now that I'm awake all should be well.
Besides, Scarlett gets a 20% Buff against anyone who can claim the title of "WCS American Champion", couple that with Hero lacking the winter buff and I think it's clear to see Scarlett will win this.
HerO stop practicing since proleague ended? I thought he was looking strong for a while there (inconsistent as always, but still strong), but recently all I see him do is lose lose lose.
On July 16 2013 10:55 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I really want to turn adblock off for this, but there's a new add that keeps crashing my stream every time it comes up.
TL+ yo
Wait, I have TL+ but I still get ads, including the add that crashes the stream (open it directly from twitch to not get that add Templar). How do I turn ads off with TL+?
On July 16 2013 10:55 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I really want to turn adblock off for this, but there's a new add that keeps crashing my stream every time it comes up.
TL+ yo
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Amazing PvZ there. Scarlett tries to hide banelings in the corner of Hero's base multiple times but Hero is too smart for that. Burrowed lings that were later on morphed however.... SICK.
On July 16 2013 11:30 Bagration wrote: 2013 and Hero is still inconsistent
99% of sc2 progamers are inconsistent, not everyone can be an innovation Symbol.
INnoVation has only been in Code S for 3 seasons. He can be considered consistent after he's been there as long as Symbol has.
Symbol alongside violet are probably the two most consistent players, ever since they both got big at the start of 2012 there's never really been a moment where those two have fallen off the high tier.
On July 16 2013 11:31 lannisport wrote: Amazing PvZ there. Scarlett tries to hide banelings in the corner of Hero's base multiple times but Hero is too smart for that. Burrowed lings that were later on morphed however.... SICK.
Yes, very impressive. The second corner-morphed banelings were a distraction- sick mindgames.
HerO is so good too, just needed more warp prism play.
On July 16 2013 11:30 Bagration wrote: 2013 and Hero is still inconsistent
99% of sc2 progamers are inconsistent, not everyone can be an innovation Symbol.
INnoVation has only been in Code S for 3 seasons. He can be considered consistent after he's been there as long as Symbol has.
Symbol alongside violet are probably the two most consistent players, ever since they both got big at the start of 2012 there's never really been a moment where those two have fallen off the high tier.
I don't know why viOlet doesn't get more credit, dude is legit.
On July 16 2013 03:52 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Anyone know how to kill protoss ? :<
Protoss players have one weakness: they put their weight on their right leg whenever they're about to forcefield a choke. So what you do is sneak up on them like a burrowed roach, hamstring them and then their forcefields will be slightly off by about a hex or two and your lings should be able to exploit that weakness for the win. Hope this helps.
Oh dear. Did you see the FF when that second bunch of lings got in? Somebody check up on HerO immediately.
On July 16 2013 03:52 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Anyone know how to kill protoss ? :<
Protoss players have one weakness: they put their weight on their right leg whenever they're about to forcefield a choke. So what you do is sneak up on them like a burrowed roach, hamstring them and then their forcefields will be slightly off by about a hex or two and your lings should be able to exploit that weakness for the win. Hope this helps.
Oh dear. Did you see the FF when that second bunch of lings got in? Somebody check up on HerO immediately.
WHAT HAVE I DONE!?!?
Terrible things.
So first you sleep through a set and cost Scarlett the series against Oz and now this?
On July 16 2013 11:30 Bagration wrote: 2013 and Hero is still inconsistent
99% of sc2 progamers are inconsistent, not everyone can be an innovation Symbol.
INnoVation has only been in Code S for 3 seasons. He can be considered consistent after he's been there as long as Symbol has.
Symbol alongside violet are probably the two most consistent players, ever since they both got big at the start of 2012 there's never really been a moment where those two have fallen off the high tier.
I don't know why viOlet doesn't get more credit, dude is legit.
Because violet's personality can sometimes take a bit of effort to see and by large he just turns up, kills a few big names and finishes high and runs into the night just as fast whenever he appears, he's not really the single most remarkable player but he's like the definition of high tier.
On July 16 2013 11:30 Bagration wrote: 2013 and Hero is still inconsistent
99% of sc2 progamers are inconsistent, not everyone can be an innovation Symbol.
INnoVation has only been in Code S for 3 seasons. He can be considered consistent after he's been there as long as Symbol has.
Symbol alongside violet are probably the two most consistent players, ever since they both got big at the start of 2012 there's never really been a moment where those two have fallen off the high tier.
I don't know why viOlet doesn't get more credit, dude is legit.
probably because he loses to bunny and tlo and he also looked very bad against yoda. i really like this guy but he is far from where he once was. he needs to stop travelling and focus again
On July 16 2013 03:52 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Anyone know how to kill protoss ? :<
On July 16 2013 04:34 TheDougler wrote:
On July 16 2013 03:52 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Anyone know how to kill protoss ? :<
Protoss players have one weakness: they put their weight on their right leg whenever they're about to forcefield a choke. So what you do is sneak up on them like a burrowed roach, hamstring them and then their forcefields will be slightly off by about a hex or two and your lings should be able to exploit that weakness for the win. Hope this helps.
Oh dear. Did you see the FF when that second bunch of lings got in? Somebody check up on HerO immediately.
WHAT HAVE I DONE!?!?
Terrible things.
So first you sleep through a set and cost Scarlett the series against Oz and now this?
Technically this was before the doom-nap. 'tis true though, I have sinned gravely. My actions today have caused terrible terrible damage.
On July 16 2013 10:24 Wombat_NI wrote: Perhaps as an atypical game that can be said to be entertaining, if we saw it all the time I really doubt you'd feel that way.
Nope. If long games (30-50 minutes) were typical, I think we'd be able to do a lot of things with SC2. Things would have a lot more hype and SC2 would be able to get a lot more popular. In that scenario, a 1 hour game wouldn't really be "atypical"
Just to clarify, people don't dislike long games as a matter of course, but long games that resemble World War 2 trench warfare.
On July 16 2013 11:30 Bagration wrote: 2013 and Hero is still inconsistent
99% of sc2 progamers are inconsistent, not everyone can be an innovation Symbol.
INnoVation has only been in Code S for 3 seasons. He can be considered consistent after he's been there as long as Symbol has.
Symbol alongside violet are probably the two most consistent players, ever since they both got big at the start of 2012 there's never really been a moment where those two have fallen off the high tier.
I don't know why viOlet doesn't get more credit, dude is legit.
probably because he loses to bunny and tlo and he also looked very bad against yoda. i really like this guy but he is far from where he once was. he needs to stop travelling and focus again
violet has only left korea once since hots, that's not a lot of traveling. he went to DH summer then HSC a few days later then went back to korea.
Edit: also I am wondering if Scarlett did those early pools because of HerO's tendency to do those builds on those maps or if it was the plan regardless
On July 16 2013 12:03 lichter wrote: Rebroadcast is happening now
Edit: also I am wondering if Scarlett did those early pools because of HerO's tendency to do those builds on those maps or if it was the plan regardless
10pool was because I thought he would do sOs's belshir cannon (i havent practiced 10pool zvp and know he does the zealot start -> cancel which is why i held my lings back, but didnt know exact timing so that didnt work out :/ )
14/14 was for speedling into burrow to kill a gateway expand, wasnt sure what to do when he cannoned me ( thought he wouldnt after doing to vibe )
On July 16 2013 12:03 lichter wrote: Rebroadcast is happening now
Edit: also I am wondering if Scarlett did those early pools because of HerO's tendency to do those builds on those maps or if it was the plan regardless
10pool was because I thought he would do sOs's belshir cannon (i havent practiced 10pool zvp and know he does the zealot start -> cancel which is why i held my lings back, but didnt know exact timing so that didnt work out :/ )
14/14 was for speedling into burrow to kill a gateway expand, wasnt sure what to do when he cannoned me ( thought he wouldnt after doing to vibe )
Bitterdam thought they were both build order counters, but I guess they were counters for different builds lol
If he had done the sOs cannon rush, do you run lings to his base or do you try to prevent the cannon rush?
Your 14/14 looked like a counter to HerO's cannon rush at first actually, but the lings were already too late to get to HerO's base. It looked like you would have won with the baneling bust if you had reinforced with lings too
On July 16 2013 12:03 lichter wrote: Rebroadcast is happening now
Edit: also I am wondering if Scarlett did those early pools because of HerO's tendency to do those builds on those maps or if it was the plan regardless
10pool was because I thought he would do sOs's belshir cannon (i havent practiced 10pool zvp and know he does the zealot start -> cancel which is why i held my lings back, but didnt know exact timing so that didnt work out :/ )
14/14 was for speedling into burrow to kill a gateway expand, wasnt sure what to do when he cannoned me ( thought he wouldnt after doing to vibe )
Bitterdam thought they were both build order counters, but I guess they were counters for different builds lol
If he had done the sOs cannon rush, do you run lings to his base or do you try to prevent the cannon rush?
Your 14/14 looked like a counter to HerO's cannon rush at first actually, but the lings were already too late to get to HerO's base. It looked like you would have won with the baneling bust if you had reinforced with lings too
good games though, gratz!
I definately didn't play the game on akilon out optimally yea;; me and hero's nerves were both shot and the lag from kr->na was bad today
vs the sOs cannon you just run into his base and win (their probe goes a diff direction from the lings so they wont see until too late)
On July 16 2013 12:03 lichter wrote: Rebroadcast is happening now
Edit: also I am wondering if Scarlett did those early pools because of HerO's tendency to do those builds on those maps or if it was the plan regardless
10pool was because I thought he would do sOs's belshir cannon (i havent practiced 10pool zvp and know he does the zealot start -> cancel which is why i held my lings back, but didnt know exact timing so that didnt work out :/ )
14/14 was for speedling into burrow to kill a gateway expand, wasnt sure what to do when he cannoned me ( thought he wouldnt after doing to vibe )
Bitterdam thought they were both build order counters, but I guess they were counters for different builds lol
If he had done the sOs cannon rush, do you run lings to his base or do you try to prevent the cannon rush?
Your 14/14 looked like a counter to HerO's cannon rush at first actually, but the lings were already too late to get to HerO's base. It looked like you would have won with the baneling bust if you had reinforced with lings too
good games though, gratz!
I definately didn't play the game on akilon out optimally yea;; me and hero's nerves were both shot and the lag from kr->na was bad today
vs the sOs cannon you just run into his base and win (their probe goes a diff direction from the lings so they wont see until too late)
Does running to his base work even with an in-base forge? I've seen someone do it with in-base forge I'm sure.
The game on Akilon was still pretty good lol that HerO cannon rush is pretty annoying
On July 16 2013 14:15 Abominous wrote: With every living protoss out of the WCS AM, Jaedongs chance grows exponentially! Feed, feed on their misery my Tyrant and win this!
(He beat Oz in IEM qualifiers 2-0, so not worried. )
This is the only thing that counts, eliminate more Protoss so Jaedong can win it all! Good job Scarlett, congrats !
On July 16 2013 12:03 lichter wrote: Rebroadcast is happening now
Edit: also I am wondering if Scarlett did those early pools because of HerO's tendency to do those builds on those maps or if it was the plan regardless
10pool was because I thought he would do sOs's belshir cannon (i havent practiced 10pool zvp and know he does the zealot start -> cancel which is why i held my lings back, but didnt know exact timing so that didnt work out :/ )
14/14 was for speedling into burrow to kill a gateway expand, wasnt sure what to do when he cannoned me ( thought he wouldnt after doing to vibe )
Bitterdam thought they were both build order counters, but I guess they were counters for different builds lol
If he had done the sOs cannon rush, do you run lings to his base or do you try to prevent the cannon rush?
Your 14/14 looked like a counter to HerO's cannon rush at first actually, but the lings were already too late to get to HerO's base. It looked like you would have won with the baneling bust if you had reinforced with lings too
good games though, gratz!
I definately didn't play the game on akilon out optimally yea;; me and hero's nerves were both shot and the lag from kr->na was bad today
vs the sOs cannon you just run into his base and win (their probe goes a diff direction from the lings so they wont see until too late)
Mad props for sharing some of your thoughts. Thanks for the insights <3
Well done Oz and Scarlett, at least I got one of you right (had double P in the LB). Did the viewer number go up again after the ZvZ or do i file 15k from the first series?
On July 16 2013 19:03 Otolia wrote: I didn't know the group was played last night. I'm so happy HerO lost. I must watch the VOD and satisfy my despicable urges to see him fail.
Still mad about him trouncing your team? Maybe about him knocking out Stephano from BWC and IPL5? Must be really nice to be happier about a player losing than another winning.
On July 16 2013 19:03 Otolia wrote: I didn't know the group was played last night. I'm so happy HerO lost. I must watch the VOD and satisfy my despicable urges to see him fail.
Still mad about him trouncing your team? Maybe about him knocking out Stephano from BWC and IPL5? Must be really nice to be happier about a player losing than another winning.
No I just hate his face and his gimmicks. He annoys me on a primal level.
On July 16 2013 19:03 Otolia wrote: I didn't know the group was played last night. I'm so happy HerO lost. I must watch the VOD and satisfy my despicable urges to see him fail.
Still mad about him trouncing your team? Maybe about him knocking out Stephano from BWC and IPL5? Must be really nice to be happier about a player losing than another winning.
No I just hate his face and his gimmicks. He annoys me on a primal level.
PS : I'm more Dark Lord than you, kiddo !
Heh, that would be a really bad move if I cared enough.
On July 16 2013 19:03 Otolia wrote: I didn't know the group was played last night. I'm so happy HerO lost. I must watch the VOD and satisfy my despicable urges to see him fail.
Still mad about him trouncing your team? Maybe about him knocking out Stephano from BWC and IPL5? Must be really nice to be happier about a player losing than another winning.
No I just hate his face and his gimmicks. He annoys me on a primal level.
PS : I'm more Dark Lord than you, kiddo !
Heh, that would be a really bad move if I cared enough.
There can only be on Sith and his apprentice. I'll find you soon eough.
On July 16 2013 12:03 lichter wrote: Rebroadcast is happening now
Edit: also I am wondering if Scarlett did those early pools because of HerO's tendency to do those builds on those maps or if it was the plan regardless
10pool was because I thought he would do sOs's belshir cannon (i havent practiced 10pool zvp and know he does the zealot start -> cancel which is why i held my lings back, but didnt know exact timing so that didnt work out :/ )
14/14 was for speedling into burrow to kill a gateway expand, wasnt sure what to do when he cannoned me ( thought he wouldnt after doing to vibe )
Bitterdam thought they were both build order counters, but I guess they were counters for different builds lol
If he had done the sOs cannon rush, do you run lings to his base or do you try to prevent the cannon rush?
Your 14/14 looked like a counter to HerO's cannon rush at first actually, but the lings were already too late to get to HerO's base. It looked like you would have won with the baneling bust if you had reinforced with lings too
good games though, gratz!
I definately didn't play the game on akilon out optimally yea;; me and hero's nerves were both shot and the lag from kr->na was bad today
vs the sOs cannon you just run into his base and win (their probe goes a diff direction from the lings so they wont see until too late)
Mad props for sharing some of your thoughts. Thanks for the insights <3
Great insight, transparency is always good for everyone. Maybe we can have some deeper interviews in this vein, if players are willing to share
On July 16 2013 14:15 Abominous wrote: With every living protoss out of the WCS AM, Jaedongs chance grows exponentially! Feed, feed on their misery my Tyrant and win this!
(He beat Oz in IEM qualifiers 2-0, so not worried. )
Haha love your post. Everytime he plays a protoss its like "please dont lose dude". His zvz and zvt are good enough to have him win it all...if he doesnt play a protoss haha.
EPT
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