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On July 08 2013 11:31 Veroleg wrote:

sc2 is the only sport where a good chunk of fans think that bomber, a washed up b-teamer who was not even competetive at his peak, is better in any area than a top3-4 in esport history

On July 08 2013 11:58 DBS wrote:

First at MLG raileigh
Second at Lonestar clash and redbull battlegrounds.
Fourth at IPL5
and Ro8 in the most recent WCS.
I would describe that as pretty competetive

On July 08 2013 12:53 BronzeKnee wrote:


If you think that Bomber's peak was in BW, then you're sorely mistaken.

That is like saying MC or Nestea peaked in BW...

On July 08 2013 13:05 opterown wrote:
don't argue with veroleg, he will only end up sending you insulting PMs about how he's right and you should go cry or something

On July 08 2013 23:50 Veroleg wrote:

i wouldnt


i cant point out a single person in sc1 history to have had a higher peak of skill at 24 than ever before. why do you seem to say that youre certain that bombers peak wasnt in sc1?

of course nestea is virtually guaranteed to have peaked in sc1. i cant even think of the odds that someone would have better raw skill at the age of 29. then you add in that he came on at 29 after being retired for a long time, having far worse team than at his peak for practice and such.
mc was like maybe 18-19 so thats very different.


thats you though. id show you proof but youd just ignore it and throw more insults

On July 09 2013 00:52 lichter wrote:


SC2 peak yo

Totes different

On July 09 2013 02:59 Dakure wrote:

Of course someone's SC2 peak is in SC2 and not SC1/BW. That seems rather redundant.

I'm pretty sure the point that dude is trying to make is that Bomber, Nestea, and MC were all playing the best StarCraft they've ever played when they playing BW. If they didn't accomplish as much as they did in SC2, then that was because the general competition in BW was much harder than it was in SC2. I guess the issue is that some people are having a difficult time understanding that someone's 'peak' does not necessarily relate to their accomplishments. MC, Nestea, and Bomber all won more tournaments in SC2 and in that sense, they were more accomplished in SC2. Was the peak of their career in SC2? I'd say so. They were doing well relative to other SC2 players, earning more money, winning more events. Were the MCs, Bombers, and Nesteas of SC2 faster/mechanically superior/better strategists/etc than the MCs, Bombers, and Nesteas of SC1/BW? Probably not. Maybe the they were better strategists in SC2 simply due to their experience, but they were all probably better mechanically, or just in raw skill during their SC1/BW days.

Google at what age men hit their physical and/or mental peak. It's definitely before 29. When I went to school, most of my math professors would talk about how after 23 or 24, it's all down hill from there in terms of their creativeness and such.

On July 09 2013 09:47 BronzeKnee wrote:


You're totally ignoring the mental aspect of the game. As Yogi Berra half jokingly said “90% of the game is half mental." But it is true, and elite athletes know this.

MC and Nestea didn't believe in themselves in SC1. They did in the SC2. That makes them much better players in SC2, regardless of their "declining" skills.

While people do hit their physical and mental peak in their early 20's, many athletes don't dominate sports until they are past their mental and physical peaks!

That is because the mental game and experience is more important than the physical game.

Read Mind Gym :http://www.amazon.com/Mind-Gym-Athletes-Guide-Excellence/dp/0071395970

On July 09 2013 10:29 lichter wrote:
Yes, I think a lot of people underestimate how much the mental side of things matters so much. There is also the aspect of motivation and experience, which often trump raw physical skill in many sports, especially ones that are supposed to involve more strategy than brute strength.

On July 09 2013 20:44 Veroleg wrote:

i personally would say apparently not as i dont know of a single case in sc1 history of a 24yea old reaching a higher peak than ever before in their carreer

On July 08 2013 11:31 Veroleg wrote:

sc2 is the only sport where a good chunk of fans think that bomber, a washed up b-teamer who was not even competetive at his peak, is better in any area than a top3-4 in esport history

On July 09 2013 21:30 shell wrote:


When you talk about peak do you intend to talk about the usual "Peak" age for a player in a competition or do you actually want to say the peak represents the time where that player had more success and was better then his competition overall?

Just because someone is in the average "peak" age doesn't mean he is a failure because his peak only came after.

Bomber is worse then many players, maybe he peak here or there, but he is still relevant and competitive.

The peak of Flash was becoming a god in BW, Nestea's peak in BW was being one of the best 2on2 players..

That doesn't really have to do with age but with results and consistency

On July 09 2013 21:13 lichter wrote:


That's a perfectly fine argument for BW, and I agree, but you are on the SC2 tournaments board? And they were stating SC2 achievements...

On July 10 2013 00:19 Liquid`Jinro wrote:

Dumbest statement I've ever heard.

Bomber on his good days can play top 3 terran in the world level. Unfortunately Bomber also makes mindbogglingly strange decisions on a very regular basis which makes him crazily inconsistent.

On July 11 2013 14:14 Veroleg wrote:

i argued it does have to do with age considering how rare or even unprecedented its been to have a player with better skill at 24 than ever before in their carreer.


bomber goes from hte most competetive esport to have existed by a million miles to sc2 and wins some amount of tournaments filled with semi-pros and old bteamers, what you mean?


dumbest statement ive ever heard

where would you even think bomber and fantasy are comparable anywhere?