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Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
July 06 2013 06:40 GMT
#1261
On July 06 2013 15:24 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 15:19 Moka wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:18 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:15 Jindo wrote:
YEAHHH!!! FANTASY!!!!!
FUCK YEAH!

Fantasy didnt win ... Hero lost the game by being stupid enough not to cover his main base border with cannons which allowed the drops to come in and rape him.

Cannons REALLY make your life easier because they take one worry out of the equasion. Obviously you need enough of them with speed Medivacs, but considering the amount of Stalkers and Nexus' Hero lost I think cannons would have been much cheaper.

But he still won? you can't deny this fact

Ok ... here is the "long version" ...


Fantasy didnt win the game because of his own super skill ... Hero lost it because he was stupid to leave a gigantic achilles heel open and accessible to Fantasy. Terrans use drops nowadays and Fantasy even showed his desire to do so several times and yet Hero did NOTHING to cover up that side of his MAIN. Leaving units there to defend is bad because that will reduce your army size, so cannons are the option to choose. They must be placed in a way to shoot at Medivacs before they even get to a place where they can start dropping ... i.e. at the edge of the cliff ... and there must be a sufficient number of them. 4-6 cannons should have done the trick and that would have been much cheaper than everything he lost there to defend. The patrolling Phoenix was nice, but it got shot down in the end.

Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 15:24 Zenbrez wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:21 Scarecrow wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:18 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:15 Jindo wrote:
YEAHHH!!! FANTASY!!!!!
FUCK YEAH!

Fantasy didnt win ... Hero lost the game by being stupid enough not to cover his main base border with cannons which allowed the drops to come in and rape him.

Could you be any more clueless?


There's like 4 things wrong in his single sentence. It's actually quite impressive.

Explain ...

Well I don't need to play Protoss to see that HerO was lack of mineral, build 4 - 6 cannons and Hero won't have enough Warpgate, units etc etc...
Terran used to drop since 2010 not nowadays
@taefoxy
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
July 06 2013 06:41 GMT
#1262
On July 06 2013 15:26 partydude89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 15:24 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:19 Moka wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:18 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:15 Jindo wrote:
YEAHHH!!! FANTASY!!!!!
FUCK YEAH!

Fantasy didnt win ... Hero lost the game by being stupid enough not to cover his main base border with cannons which allowed the drops to come in and rape him.

Cannons REALLY make your life easier because they take one worry out of the equasion. Obviously you need enough of them with speed Medivacs, but considering the amount of Stalkers and Nexus' Hero lost I think cannons would have been much cheaper.

But he still won? you can't deny this fact

Ok ... here is the "long version" ...


Fantasy didnt win the game because of his own super skill ... Hero lost it because he was stupid to leave a gigantic achilles heel open and accessible to Fantasy. Terrans use drops nowadays and Fantasy even showed his desire to do so several times and yet Hero did NOTHING to cover up that side of his MAIN. Leaving units there to defend is bad because that will reduce your army size, so cannons are the option to choose. They must be placed in a way to shoot at Medivacs before they even get to a place where they can start dropping ... i.e. at the edge of the cliff ... and there must be a sufficient number of them. 4-6 cannons should have done the trick and that would have been much cheaper than everything he lost there to defend. The patrolling Phoenix was nice, but it got shot down in the end.

On July 06 2013 15:24 Zenbrez wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:21 Scarecrow wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:18 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:15 Jindo wrote:
YEAHHH!!! FANTASY!!!!!
FUCK YEAH!

Fantasy didnt win ... Hero lost the game by being stupid enough not to cover his main base border with cannons which allowed the drops to come in and rape him.

Could you be any more clueless?


There's like 4 things wrong in his single sentence. It's actually quite impressive.

Explain ...


Hero had 22 probes... how was he supposed to afford 600-900 mins for cannons. LOL. and even then. once fantasy finds out where the cannons are located, he goes to a spot in the main where they are not.

That "northern border" isnt that big to get a spot where you dont have cannons and if he goes around to the left he comes close to the natural where Hero's army can be to defend ... which endangers the drop again. Hero didnt build any more probes after 22 and didnt have any more?

Did he have only 22 after the drops started? (You know that "main base massacre" at the beginning.) You dont have to wait until the drops start to build cannons ...

In any case there are supposedly four things wrong in my sentence and this was just two.


On July 06 2013 15:29 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 15:24 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:19 Moka wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:18 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:15 Jindo wrote:
YEAHHH!!! FANTASY!!!!!
FUCK YEAH!

Fantasy didnt win ... Hero lost the game by being stupid enough not to cover his main base border with cannons which allowed the drops to come in and rape him.

Cannons REALLY make your life easier because they take one worry out of the equasion. Obviously you need enough of them with speed Medivacs, but considering the amount of Stalkers and Nexus' Hero lost I think cannons would have been much cheaper.

But he still won? you can't deny this fact

Ok ... here is the "long version" ...


Fantasy didnt win the game because of his own super skill ... Hero lost it because he was stupid to leave a gigantic achilles heel open and accessible to Fantasy. Terrans use drops nowadays and Fantasy even showed his desire to do so several times and yet Hero did NOTHING to cover up that side of his MAIN. Leaving units there to defend is bad because that will reduce your army size, so cannons are the option to choose. They must be placed in a way to shoot at Medivacs before they even get to a place where they can start dropping ... i.e. at the edge of the cliff ... and there must be a sufficient number of them. 4-6 cannons should have done the trick and that would have been much cheaper than everything he lost there to defend. The patrolling Phoenix was nice, but it got shot down in the end.

On July 06 2013 15:24 Zenbrez wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:21 Scarecrow wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:18 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:15 Jindo wrote:
YEAHHH!!! FANTASY!!!!!
FUCK YEAH!

Fantasy didnt win ... Hero lost the game by being stupid enough not to cover his main base border with cannons which allowed the drops to come in and rape him.

Could you be any more clueless?


There's like 4 things wrong in his single sentence. It's actually quite impressive.

Explain ...

Investing in 4-6 cannons to defend a cliff is something you'd only see in bronze. You say leaving units there is bad because it reduces army size so instead you waste 600+ minerals which does far more damage to your army size and gives 0 mobility. "Terrans use drops nowadays" gave me a laugh too.

So explain to me why losing 6 Stalkers is cheaper than building 6 cannons and scaring the drop off or at least making it less easy to pull off. Cannons control space and have 7 range compared to Stalkers with only 6; Cannons also have almost twice the number of hit points and cost zero gas.

In any case splitting up a Protoss army is kinda bad if your "other clump" consists only of Zealots, Immortals and a few Sentries and you are fighting against a lot of Marines. Melee units have an intrinsic disadvantage against ranged and the synergy between Forcefield and Zealots has always been negative.

Zealots in that army were a waste IMO because they didnt have charge yet, so swapping them out for cannons and keeping the Stalkers with the army is much better ... since Stalkers synergize much better with Forcefield. The only good job a Zealot can do is runbys and harrassment.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
July 06 2013 06:48 GMT
#1263
On July 06 2013 15:41 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 15:26 partydude89 wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:24 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:19 Moka wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:18 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:15 Jindo wrote:
YEAHHH!!! FANTASY!!!!!
FUCK YEAH!

Fantasy didnt win ... Hero lost the game by being stupid enough not to cover his main base border with cannons which allowed the drops to come in and rape him.

Cannons REALLY make your life easier because they take one worry out of the equasion. Obviously you need enough of them with speed Medivacs, but considering the amount of Stalkers and Nexus' Hero lost I think cannons would have been much cheaper.

But he still won? you can't deny this fact

Ok ... here is the "long version" ...


Fantasy didnt win the game because of his own super skill ... Hero lost it because he was stupid to leave a gigantic achilles heel open and accessible to Fantasy. Terrans use drops nowadays and Fantasy even showed his desire to do so several times and yet Hero did NOTHING to cover up that side of his MAIN. Leaving units there to defend is bad because that will reduce your army size, so cannons are the option to choose. They must be placed in a way to shoot at Medivacs before they even get to a place where they can start dropping ... i.e. at the edge of the cliff ... and there must be a sufficient number of them. 4-6 cannons should have done the trick and that would have been much cheaper than everything he lost there to defend. The patrolling Phoenix was nice, but it got shot down in the end.

On July 06 2013 15:24 Zenbrez wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:21 Scarecrow wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:18 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:15 Jindo wrote:
YEAHHH!!! FANTASY!!!!!
FUCK YEAH!

Fantasy didnt win ... Hero lost the game by being stupid enough not to cover his main base border with cannons which allowed the drops to come in and rape him.

Could you be any more clueless?


There's like 4 things wrong in his single sentence. It's actually quite impressive.

Explain ...


Hero had 22 probes... how was he supposed to afford 600-900 mins for cannons. LOL. and even then. once fantasy finds out where the cannons are located, he goes to a spot in the main where they are not.

That "northern border" isnt that big to get a spot where you dont have cannons and if he goes around to the left he comes close to the natural where Hero's army can be to defend ... which endangers the drop again. Hero didnt build any more probes after 22 and didnt have any more?

Did he have only 22 after the drops started? (You know that "main base massacre" at the beginning.) You dont have to wait until the drops start to build cannons ...

In any case there are supposedly four things wrong in my sentence and this was just two.


Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 15:29 Scarecrow wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:24 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:19 Moka wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:18 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:15 Jindo wrote:
YEAHHH!!! FANTASY!!!!!
FUCK YEAH!

Fantasy didnt win ... Hero lost the game by being stupid enough not to cover his main base border with cannons which allowed the drops to come in and rape him.

Cannons REALLY make your life easier because they take one worry out of the equasion. Obviously you need enough of them with speed Medivacs, but considering the amount of Stalkers and Nexus' Hero lost I think cannons would have been much cheaper.

But he still won? you can't deny this fact

Ok ... here is the "long version" ...


Fantasy didnt win the game because of his own super skill ... Hero lost it because he was stupid to leave a gigantic achilles heel open and accessible to Fantasy. Terrans use drops nowadays and Fantasy even showed his desire to do so several times and yet Hero did NOTHING to cover up that side of his MAIN. Leaving units there to defend is bad because that will reduce your army size, so cannons are the option to choose. They must be placed in a way to shoot at Medivacs before they even get to a place where they can start dropping ... i.e. at the edge of the cliff ... and there must be a sufficient number of them. 4-6 cannons should have done the trick and that would have been much cheaper than everything he lost there to defend. The patrolling Phoenix was nice, but it got shot down in the end.

On July 06 2013 15:24 Zenbrez wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:21 Scarecrow wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:18 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:15 Jindo wrote:
YEAHHH!!! FANTASY!!!!!
FUCK YEAH!

Fantasy didnt win ... Hero lost the game by being stupid enough not to cover his main base border with cannons which allowed the drops to come in and rape him.

Could you be any more clueless?


There's like 4 things wrong in his single sentence. It's actually quite impressive.

Explain ...

Investing in 4-6 cannons to defend a cliff is something you'd only see in bronze. You say leaving units there is bad because it reduces army size so instead you waste 600+ minerals which does far more damage to your army size and gives 0 mobility. "Terrans use drops nowadays" gave me a laugh too.

So explain to me why losing 6 Stalkers is cheaper than building 6 cannons and scaring the drop off or at least making it less easy to pull off. Cannons control space and have 7 range compared to Stalkers with only 6; Cannons also have almost twice the number of hit points and cost zero gas.

In any case splitting up a Protoss army is kinda bad if your "other clump" consists only of Zealots, Immortals and a few Sentries and you are fighting against a lot of Marines. Melee units have an intrinsic disadvantage against ranged and the synergy between Forcefield and Zealots has always been negative.

Zealots in that army were a waste IMO because they didnt have charge yet, so swapping them out for cannons and keeping the Stalkers with the army is much better ... since Stalkers synergize much better with Forcefield. The only good job a Zealot can do is runbys and harrassment.

Im sure HerO and the coaches know what went wrong in that game, you guys argueing here how he could've handled that wont change anything
Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
July 06 2013 06:56 GMT
#1264
Cannons are always the last resort for pros, they are only good in late game or with a huge lead. HerO's lead is not that significant once those stalkers died.
vflux
Profile Joined July 2011
New Zealand118 Posts
July 06 2013 06:58 GMT
#1265
On July 06 2013 15:18 Dodgin wrote:
I think this is the first time in sc2 fantasy has won his regular match + won as ace in one match

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389527
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
July 06 2013 06:59 GMT
#1266
It was a bit.disappointing but im.sure hero will fix these problems as he always has
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 06 2013 07:00 GMT
#1267
On July 06 2013 15:58 vflux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 15:18 Dodgin wrote:
I think this is the first time in sc2 fantasy has won his regular match + won as ace in one match

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389527


dang, nice find.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
July 06 2013 07:00 GMT
#1268
Hero just went on tilt after getting his Nexus sniped. Double expanding after that was likely a mistake, too. He had to dedicate half his forces to defend the middle between his second and third bases. Fantasy simply just made sure he had more troops against Hero's main than Hero had defending it.

Hero also had his colossus sniped with Fantasy not losing much. All his oracles after that 22-kill one died without doing much damage, either.
partydude89
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1850 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-06 07:29:36
July 06 2013 07:26 GMT
#1269
On July 06 2013 15:41 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 15:26 partydude89 wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:24 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:19 Moka wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:18 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:15 Jindo wrote:
YEAHHH!!! FANTASY!!!!!
FUCK YEAH!

Fantasy didnt win ... Hero lost the game by being stupid enough not to cover his main base border with cannons which allowed the drops to come in and rape him.

Cannons REALLY make your life easier because they take one worry out of the equasion. Obviously you need enough of them with speed Medivacs, but considering the amount of Stalkers and Nexus' Hero lost I think cannons would have been much cheaper.

But he still won? you can't deny this fact

Ok ... here is the "long version" ...


Fantasy didnt win the game because of his own super skill ... Hero lost it because he was stupid to leave a gigantic achilles heel open and accessible to Fantasy. Terrans use drops nowadays and Fantasy even showed his desire to do so several times and yet Hero did NOTHING to cover up that side of his MAIN. Leaving units there to defend is bad because that will reduce your army size, so cannons are the option to choose. They must be placed in a way to shoot at Medivacs before they even get to a place where they can start dropping ... i.e. at the edge of the cliff ... and there must be a sufficient number of them. 4-6 cannons should have done the trick and that would have been much cheaper than everything he lost there to defend. The patrolling Phoenix was nice, but it got shot down in the end.

On July 06 2013 15:24 Zenbrez wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:21 Scarecrow wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:18 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:15 Jindo wrote:
YEAHHH!!! FANTASY!!!!!
FUCK YEAH!

Fantasy didnt win ... Hero lost the game by being stupid enough not to cover his main base border with cannons which allowed the drops to come in and rape him.

Could you be any more clueless?


There's like 4 things wrong in his single sentence. It's actually quite impressive.

Explain ...


Hero had 22 probes... how was he supposed to afford 600-900 mins for cannons. LOL. and even then. once fantasy finds out where the cannons are located, he goes to a spot in the main where they are not.

That "northern border" isnt that big to get a spot where you dont have cannons and if he goes around to the left he comes close to the natural where Hero's army can be to defend ... which endangers the drop again. Hero didnt build any more probes after 22 and didnt have any more?

Did he have only 22 after the drops started? (You know that "main base massacre" at the beginning.) You dont have to wait until the drops start to build cannons ...

In any case there are supposedly four things wrong in my sentence and this was just two.


Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 15:29 Scarecrow wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:24 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:19 Moka wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:18 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:15 Jindo wrote:
YEAHHH!!! FANTASY!!!!!
FUCK YEAH!

Fantasy didnt win ... Hero lost the game by being stupid enough not to cover his main base border with cannons which allowed the drops to come in and rape him.

Cannons REALLY make your life easier because they take one worry out of the equasion. Obviously you need enough of them with speed Medivacs, but considering the amount of Stalkers and Nexus' Hero lost I think cannons would have been much cheaper.

But he still won? you can't deny this fact

Ok ... here is the "long version" ...


Fantasy didnt win the game because of his own super skill ... Hero lost it because he was stupid to leave a gigantic achilles heel open and accessible to Fantasy. Terrans use drops nowadays and Fantasy even showed his desire to do so several times and yet Hero did NOTHING to cover up that side of his MAIN. Leaving units there to defend is bad because that will reduce your army size, so cannons are the option to choose. They must be placed in a way to shoot at Medivacs before they even get to a place where they can start dropping ... i.e. at the edge of the cliff ... and there must be a sufficient number of them. 4-6 cannons should have done the trick and that would have been much cheaper than everything he lost there to defend. The patrolling Phoenix was nice, but it got shot down in the end.

On July 06 2013 15:24 Zenbrez wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:21 Scarecrow wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:18 Rabiator wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:15 Jindo wrote:
YEAHHH!!! FANTASY!!!!!
FUCK YEAH!

Fantasy didnt win ... Hero lost the game by being stupid enough not to cover his main base border with cannons which allowed the drops to come in and rape him.

Could you be any more clueless?


There's like 4 things wrong in his single sentence. It's actually quite impressive.

Explain ...

Investing in 4-6 cannons to defend a cliff is something you'd only see in bronze. You say leaving units there is bad because it reduces army size so instead you waste 600+ minerals which does far more damage to your army size and gives 0 mobility. "Terrans use drops nowadays" gave me a laugh too.

So explain to me why losing 6 Stalkers is cheaper than building 6 cannons and scaring the drop off or at least making it less easy to pull off. Cannons control space and have 7 range compared to Stalkers with only 6; Cannons also have almost twice the number of hit points and cost zero gas.

In any case splitting up a Protoss army is kinda bad if your "other clump" consists only of Zealots, Immortals and a few Sentries and you are fighting against a lot of Marines. Melee units have an intrinsic disadvantage against ranged and the synergy between Forcefield and Zealots has always been negative.

Zealots in that army were a waste IMO because they didnt have charge yet, so swapping them out for cannons and keeping the Stalkers with the army is much better ... since Stalkers synergize much better with Forcefield. The only good job a Zealot can do is runbys and harrassment.
\


LOL. cannons can't fight with your main army, stalkers can. if hero had more observers on the map, he could have positioned his army better. 4-6 cannons is wayyy to big of an investment, when you can just use stalkers, which can be used in the army later. And wtf are you saying that sentries and zealots don't have good synergy????? you forcefield behind the army, and then send your zealots in. they can't kite away because they are forcefielded, and so the have to take that damage or lift with the medivacs. and once you notice (with your observers) that their entire army is about to attack you with no incoming drop, you are free to put your stalkers with your army. and if he decides to drop while attacking, then you can leave your stalkers in your main, because of the supply he has commited in the drop.


EDIT: and if you feel that your right and i'm wrong, please link to vods where a pro protoss massed cannon's on the border of his main in the start of the game,
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10046 Posts
July 06 2013 07:27 GMT
#1270
On July 06 2013 16:00 andrewlt wrote:
Hero just went on tilt after getting his Nexus sniped. Double expanding after that was likely a mistake, too. He had to dedicate half his forces to defend the middle between his second and third bases. Fantasy simply just made sure he had more troops against Hero's main than Hero had defending it.

Hero also had his colossus sniped with Fantasy not losing much. All his oracles after that 22-kill one died without doing much damage, either.


wasnt a mistake, he had to take a gamble to get back into the game cus he was economically behind
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ChoDing
Profile Joined November 2009
United States740 Posts
July 06 2013 08:28 GMT
#1271
On July 06 2013 16:27 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 16:00 andrewlt wrote:
Hero just went on tilt after getting his Nexus sniped. Double expanding after that was likely a mistake, too. He had to dedicate half his forces to defend the middle between his second and third bases. Fantasy simply just made sure he had more troops against Hero's main than Hero had defending it.

Hero also had his colossus sniped with Fantasy not losing much. All his oracles after that 22-kill one died without doing much damage, either.


wasnt a mistake, he had to take a gamble to get back into the game cus he was economically behind


Agreed. It's a textbook way to catch up when u are behind. Taking a risk. Nalra knows how its done.
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Thinasy
Profile Joined March 2011
2856 Posts
July 06 2013 08:47 GMT
#1272
Fml, congratulations SKT.
Jaedong & Faker
AyaaLa
Profile Joined February 2012
Spain629 Posts
July 06 2013 08:58 GMT
#1273
I still think Snute can do very well in this setting. So I feel it was a good decision to give him the chance. He beating top notch koreans in other tournaments, he should manage to do it here to soon!
i balance whine all the time.
ValM
Profile Joined May 2010
India408 Posts
July 06 2013 09:39 GMT
#1274
On July 06 2013 15:33 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
Man, that last game is good. I guess fantasy is not a noob as I thought. Hope OSL thing is just a fluke.

You think Fantasy is a noob makes me really sad. He hasn't achieved a whole lot in sc2 but the lack of respect and ignorance makes me so sad.
The Terran Prince is now the king. Maru | MMA | Mvp forever
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
July 06 2013 09:50 GMT
#1275
On July 06 2013 18:39 ValM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 15:33 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
Man, that last game is good. I guess fantasy is not a noob as I thought. Hope OSL thing is just a fluke.

You think Fantasy is a noob makes me really sad. He hasn't achieved a whole lot in sc2 but the lack of respect and ignorance makes me so sad.


Flash had better marketing despite fantasy being in better form, having better results, and being able to take down flash head to head at the end of bw.
ValM
Profile Joined May 2010
India408 Posts
July 06 2013 09:55 GMT
#1276
On July 06 2013 18:50 trifecta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 18:39 ValM wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:33 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
Man, that last game is good. I guess fantasy is not a noob as I thought. Hope OSL thing is just a fluke.

You think Fantasy is a noob makes me really sad. He hasn't achieved a whole lot in sc2 but the lack of respect and ignorance makes me so sad.


Flash had better marketing despite fantasy being in better form, having better results, and being able to take down flash head to head at the end of bw.


You mean Flash had better marketing at the start of sc2 right? And sometimes I wonder BW had lived on for another year at least for Fantasy's sake. He deserved it after all those final OSL appearances and silver medals.



P.S.- This dream also includes MMA being an SKT terran playing sc2. :'(
The Terran Prince is now the king. Maru | MMA | Mvp forever
phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
July 06 2013 10:45 GMT
#1277
On July 06 2013 18:55 ValM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 18:50 trifecta wrote:
On July 06 2013 18:39 ValM wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:33 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
Man, that last game is good. I guess fantasy is not a noob as I thought. Hope OSL thing is just a fluke.

You think Fantasy is a noob makes me really sad. He hasn't achieved a whole lot in sc2 but the lack of respect and ignorance makes me so sad.


Flash had better marketing despite fantasy being in better form, having better results, and being able to take down flash head to head at the end of bw.


You mean Flash had better marketing at the start of sc2 right? And sometimes I wonder BW had lived on for another year at least for Fantasy's sake. He deserved it after all those final OSL appearances and silver medals.



P.S.- This dream also includes MMA being an SKT terran playing sc2. :'(


If BW lived for another year Fantasy will just add about 2-3 more silver medals to his trophy case.
ValM
Profile Joined May 2010
India408 Posts
July 06 2013 10:48 GMT
#1278
On July 06 2013 19:45 phodacbiet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 18:55 ValM wrote:
On July 06 2013 18:50 trifecta wrote:
On July 06 2013 18:39 ValM wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:33 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
Man, that last game is good. I guess fantasy is not a noob as I thought. Hope OSL thing is just a fluke.

You think Fantasy is a noob makes me really sad. He hasn't achieved a whole lot in sc2 but the lack of respect and ignorance makes me so sad.


Flash had better marketing despite fantasy being in better form, having better results, and being able to take down flash head to head at the end of bw.


You mean Flash had better marketing at the start of sc2 right? And sometimes I wonder BW had lived on for another year at least for Fantasy's sake. He deserved it after all those final OSL appearances and silver medals.



P.S.- This dream also includes MMA being an SKT terran playing sc2. :'(


If BW lived for another year Fantasy will just add about 2-3 more silver medals to his trophy case.

We could always hope.
The Terran Prince is now the king. Maru | MMA | Mvp forever
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
July 06 2013 11:16 GMT
#1279
On July 06 2013 18:50 trifecta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 18:39 ValM wrote:
On July 06 2013 15:33 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
Man, that last game is good. I guess fantasy is not a noob as I thought. Hope OSL thing is just a fluke.

You think Fantasy is a noob makes me really sad. He hasn't achieved a whole lot in sc2 but the lack of respect and ignorance makes me so sad.


Flash had better marketing despite fantasy being in better form, having better results, and being able to take down flash head to head at the end of bw.

I love Fanta but his hot streak against Flash in the end is kind of tainted by the fact that they were for a long time playing two games at the same time by then.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
1nnovation
Profile Joined June 2013
United States26 Posts
July 06 2013 11:38 GMT
#1280
On July 06 2013 18:39 ValM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 15:33 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
Man, that last game is good. I guess fantasy is not a noob as I thought. Hope OSL thing is just a fluke.

You think Fantasy is a noob makes me really sad. He hasn't achieved a whole lot in sc2 but the lack of respect and ignorance makes me so sad.

what do you expect from a guy with tiger blood?lol
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