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Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-04 10:32:47
July 04 2013 10:32 GMT
#941
Can't understand why did he push if he built so many vikings, they are good for defense, make them stay at home to kill drops, aim for late game. You can't push to win the battle with that many vikings anyway.
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
July 04 2013 10:32 GMT
#942
On July 04 2013 19:29 Kitaen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 19:25 saddaromma wrote:
Flash is the epitome of skill.

innovation will be gone with helbat nerf. same as many of zergs after hots.



the epitome of skill does not delivier since months, a year now, yet he is placed #3 on power rank

flash's play in june could have been any random terran code a+ level *looks at maru/supernova/keen*





God's wrath will punish you for these words.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
July 04 2013 10:32 GMT
#943
On July 04 2013 19:31 NarutO wrote:
I don't understand Flashs decision in that game. He had marines (3) that are good enough to make you only lose mining time at your natural (go for a bunker). Also hellions are good against hellbats, but the amount (2) is not enough to make a difference. You are better of to build 2 mines initially if you plan on going for hellbats too, because your drop will be later. With a bunker at the natural, 2 initial mines and 2 vikings before medivacs, you can defend. You can go up to 4 vikings and produce hellbats nonstop.

As the defending player, you have the advantage and will usually trade cost efficient in units, even adding a 3rd cc before your opponent. Even if he somewhat kills a few workers, he'll never have cost efficient trades once his first hellbat drop didn't deny mining for 10-20 seconds and also killed a few workers. Poor defence, not 'state of the game' .

I love Flash, I really do and also INnoVation but what we need to blame there was Flashs poor defence.


Nice to see you tweeting again, forgot I followed you, seems like you didn't use it for ages.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
July 04 2013 10:33 GMT
#944
so disappointed

man, he's just choosing the wrong strategies for some reason. maybe overthinking the match a bit. he can own inno in a straight up game.

still not out yet though! go flash!
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
Onlinejaguar
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia2823 Posts
July 04 2013 10:33 GMT
#945
On July 04 2013 19:31 julianto wrote:
Spoilers: the unhyped games will be better than the hyped games.


They better be.
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
July 04 2013 10:33 GMT
#946
On July 04 2013 19:30 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 19:29 Tobblish wrote:
On July 04 2013 19:28 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 04 2013 19:27 Tobblish wrote:
On July 04 2013 19:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 04 2013 19:24 eGoRama wrote:
Sry Flash fans but he was just not good enough and Innovation played way better.

not sure if serious....

Game 1 BO loss and Game 2 was Flash inexplicably doing something retarded...

Exactly, he failed badly.

The better player won.

Yeah but saying Innovation played better there was not really saying anything.

Drop hellbats, pull scvs to repair bunker, win game.

"SO AMAZING!"

Flash just sucked a huge donk right there


Flash didn't defend well, sorry fanboy.


Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 19:28 sc2superfan101 wrote:Flash just sucked a huge donk right there
I think you might have a reading comprehension problem...


or maybe I don't read the full post when a fanboy is breaking down.
Going from: Innovation is bad, Flash is awesome didn't do anything wrong, flash "sucked huge donk" is something else.
The curse is real
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
July 04 2013 10:33 GMT
#947
Why can't DoA/MonteCristo use the suits they used yesterday when they casted LoL.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
July 04 2013 10:34 GMT
#948
On July 04 2013 19:31 Dodgin wrote:
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On July 04 2013 19:31 TheDwf wrote:
On July 04 2013 19:30 Scarecrow wrote:
Flash really needs to just go hellbat drops too. Vikings just don't kill the medivacs quickly enough

He would have lost 20+ SCVs before his Medivac landed in Bogus' defended mineral lines.


not if he did the same build as innovation, skipping the hellions.

He went CC rax gas while Bogus went Marine Reaper expand, so he was necessarily behind on the fact/Armory/port timings.
BlueFlames
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1756 Posts
July 04 2013 10:34 GMT
#949
On July 04 2013 19:29 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 19:25 saddaromma wrote:
Flash is the epitome of skill.

innovation will be gone with helbat nerf. same as many of zergs after hots.

hahaha, sure. Innovation never had any success without hellbats at all. right?

Flash must really have some kind of aura i cannot quite understand cause i've never followed BW. he has so many fanboys that just say anything to try and make him look better than everybody else.


Too bad you never saw flash in his prime. He practised more hours than anyone else and as a result was almost unbeatable. The flash we see today does not practise as much, maybe due to motivation or due to his injury, and as a result he is just mediocre. His fans will have to accept the truth some day, but it takes time, because he was "god" once.
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1069 Posts
July 04 2013 10:34 GMT
#950
No Artosis stahp!
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42383 Posts
July 04 2013 10:34 GMT
#951
golf shirts?
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
July 04 2013 10:34 GMT
#952
On July 04 2013 19:33 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 19:30 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 04 2013 19:29 Tobblish wrote:
On July 04 2013 19:28 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 04 2013 19:27 Tobblish wrote:
On July 04 2013 19:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 04 2013 19:24 eGoRama wrote:
Sry Flash fans but he was just not good enough and Innovation played way better.

not sure if serious....

Game 1 BO loss and Game 2 was Flash inexplicably doing something retarded...

Exactly, he failed badly.

The better player won.

Yeah but saying Innovation played better there was not really saying anything.

Drop hellbats, pull scvs to repair bunker, win game.

"SO AMAZING!"

Flash just sucked a huge donk right there


Flash didn't defend well, sorry fanboy.


On July 04 2013 19:28 sc2superfan101 wrote:Flash just sucked a huge donk right there
I think you might have a reading comprehension problem...


or maybe I don't read the full post when a fanboy is breaking down.
Going from: Innovation is bad, Flash is awesome didn't do anything wrong, flash "sucked huge donk" is something else.


He never said anything like that, don't be a douche.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
July 04 2013 10:35 GMT
#953
On July 04 2013 19:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 19:31 julianto wrote:
Spoilers: the unhyped games will be better than the hyped games.

hyvaa will 10 pool twice
Maru will 11-11 every game and Trap will go for proxy gates at the same time at least once

Incoming Artosis suicide.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
July 04 2013 10:35 GMT
#954
On July 04 2013 19:34 r00ty wrote:
No Artosis stahp!

Let me guess, hyping the shit out of Rain with "best x of the world?"
Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
July 04 2013 10:35 GMT
#955
Very disappointing games...

Game 1 was just double bronze cheese.
Game 2 was decent by Innovation, but Flash... the defense by Flash was reaaaally bad. Very bad planned out, slow reaction times, his own harrass was *way* too late. And why did he attempt to front attack? It was clear that 1 bunker will be there.

I think Flash just had a bad day/was thrown off by game 1.

Next time more luck, Flash!
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
July 04 2013 10:35 GMT
#956
Gwangalli Beach yay :D
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
MosART
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1899 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-04 10:36:15
July 04 2013 10:35 GMT
#957
Can't expect 50% of the games to be good anymore in tournaments, maybe 10% if lucky.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 04 2013 10:35 GMT
#958
On July 04 2013 19:31 NarutO wrote:
I don't understand Flashs decision in that game. He had marines (3) that are good enough to make you only lose mining time at your natural (go for a bunker). Also hellions are good against hellbats, but the amount (2) is not enough to make a difference. You are better of to build 2 mines initially if you plan on going for hellbats too, because your drop will be later. With a bunker at the natural, 2 initial mines and 2 vikings before medivacs, you can defend. You can go up to 4 vikings and produce hellbats nonstop.

As the defending player, you have the advantage and will usually trade cost efficient in units, even adding a 3rd cc before your opponent. Even if he somewhat kills a few workers, he'll never have cost efficient trades once his first hellbat drop didn't deny mining for 10-20 seconds and also killed a few workers. Poor defence, not 'state of the game' .

I love Flash, I really do and also INnoVation but what we need to blame there was Flashs poor defence.

I agree that Flash could have done better. But pure defending vs Hellbats is still bat crazy to pull off. Ff you look at the Keen vs Bomber series, Keen did it perfect vs 1 medivac, perfect vs 2 medivacs, and then 4 medivacs came and he lost the game...
I had a good night of sleep.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 04 2013 10:36 GMT
#959
GOGOGO Rain, show us Protoss are good unit! :3
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
July 04 2013 10:36 GMT
#960
Haha, he dropped 12 point in cheese poll.
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