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On July 04 2013 19:30 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 19:27 Gben592 wrote:On July 04 2013 19:25 saddaromma wrote:
innovation will be gone with helbat nerf. same as many of zergs after hots.
Lol? Innovation was winning lots before he started hellbat dropping everyone  He just does what needs to be done ^^ Cant say ive watched every game of innovation but all the TvTs ive seen him play he has gone for hellbat drops. And it always kills atleast 10+ workers. In WoL there were players who always went for banshee opening but atleast the opponent could avoid dying more than 3-4 scvs.
You should watch more of his games then.
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On July 04 2013 19:29 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 19:28 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 04 2013 19:27 Tobblish wrote:On July 04 2013 19:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 04 2013 19:24 eGoRama wrote:
Sry Flash fans but he was just not good enough and Innovation played way better. not sure if serious.... Game 1 BO loss and Game 2 was Flash inexplicably doing something retarded... Exactly, he failed badly. The better player won. Yeah but saying Innovation played better there was not really saying anything. Drop hellbats, pull scvs to repair bunker, win game. "SO AMAZING!" Flash just sucked a huge donk right there Flash didn't defend well, sorry fanboy.
On July 04 2013 19:28 sc2superfan101 wrote:Flash just sucked a huge donk right there I think you might have a reading comprehension problem...
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So the first two series in the best group sucked hard. Let's see if Rain and Hyvaa can show good games.
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On July 04 2013 19:30 Scarecrow wrote:
Flash really needs to just go hellbat drops too. Vikings just don't kill the medivacs quickly enough
He would have lost 20+ SCVs before his Medivac landed in Bogus' defended mineral lines.
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They need to just make ghosts barracks requirement minerals only and come with a nuke that is instant cast. that will stop hellbat drops in tvt
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People are already forgetting Innovation was one of the few terrans able to get deep in the GSL during the zerg glory days?
Dissapointing games so far though 
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On July 04 2013 19:28 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 19:27 Tobblish wrote:On July 04 2013 19:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 04 2013 19:24 eGoRama wrote:
Sry Flash fans but he was just not good enough and Innovation played way better. not sure if serious.... Game 1 BO loss and Game 2 was Flash inexplicably doing something retarded... Exactly, he failed badly. The better player won. Yeah but saying Innovation played better there was not really saying anything. Drop hellbats, pull scvs to repair bunker, win game. "SO AMAZING!" Flash just sucked a huge donk right there
I didnt say "Amazing", sry. Flash failed and Innovation simply played good - better than Flash and I am sure 95 % of the ppl here will agree with me.
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I don't understand Flashs decision in that game. He had marines (3) that are good enough to make you only lose mining time at your natural (go for a bunker). Also hellions are good against hellbats, but the amount (2) is not enough to make a difference. You are better of to build 2 mines initially if you plan on going for hellbats too, because your drop will be later. With a bunker at the natural, 2 initial mines and 2 vikings before medivacs, you can defend. You can go up to 4 vikings and produce hellbats nonstop.
As the defending player, you have the advantage and will usually trade cost efficient in units, even adding a 3rd cc before your opponent. Even if he somewhat kills a few workers, he'll never have cost efficient trades once his first hellbat drop didn't deny mining for 10-20 seconds and also killed a few workers. Poor defence, not 'state of the game' .
I love Flash, I really do and also INnoVation but what we need to blame there was Flashs poor defence.
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Spoilers: the unhyped games will be better than the hyped games.
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On July 04 2013 19:29 iLoveKT wrote:
Im so confused why he tried to attack up the ramp. Did he seriously think he couldve broken that?
Yes, even if damage is possible, how will you return home to defend with those slow hellbats.
But TvT is in a terrible state right now, leaving your base to attack is very risky now.
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On July 04 2013 19:29 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 19:29 NicksonReyes wrote:
Funny how Flash could've just melted all the scvs repairing the bunker with 2 hellbat swipes but didn't. Yeah, that would've never happened because had he stepped forward all of innovations hellbats would kill his.
Not with just 2 swipes.
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Yeah, Group of Death with all TvT is dumb. Why in the world did they do random draws instead of selections anyways?
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Come on now. We're talking about balance in a mirror match up? Flash can do what Innovation does, but didn't. He just played worse in game 2, unlucky in game 1. Please move on. And whoever said he's not motivated to practice SC2 etc.. please take your horrible uninformed opinion elsewhere.
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On July 04 2013 19:31 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 19:30 Scarecrow wrote:
Flash really needs to just go hellbat drops too. Vikings just don't kill the medivacs quickly enough He would have lost 20+ SCVs before his Medivac landed in Bogus' defended mineral lines.
not if he did the same build as innovation, skipping the hellions.
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On July 04 2013 19:31 Shellshock1122 wrote:
They need to just make ghosts barracks requirement minerals only and come with a nuke that is instant cast. that will stop hellbat drops in tvt
Bombers games just got 10x more fun as well
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On July 04 2013 19:31 julianto wrote:
Spoilers: the unhyped games will be better than the hyped games.
hyvaa will 10 pool twice
Maru will 11-11 every game and Trap will go for proxy gates at the same time at least once
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On July 04 2013 19:31 julianto wrote:
Spoilers: the unhyped games will be better than the hyped games.
Usually the case.
Maru vs Trap is the only one not getting much attention. It will be glorious
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Well as long as Rain wins his game I'll be happy. Soo/Rain fighting!
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On July 04 2013 19:31 julianto wrote:
Spoilers: the unhyped games will be better than the hyped games.
They can't be worse.
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On July 04 2013 19:31 julianto wrote:
Spoilers: the unhyped games will be better than the hyped games.
That's an easy prediction to make after watching these two series.
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