On July 03 2013 05:37 lykkekage wrote: Kespa players in the qualifiers now as well
I guess the Americans are screwed even more now
Honestly, I view WCS AM more like WCS International Free-For-All now and to me it is interesting because it has a lot of different people, not in spite of it.
On July 03 2013 05:37 lykkekage wrote: Kespa players in the qualifiers now as well
I guess the Americans are screwed even more now
Honestly, I view WCS AM more like WCS International Free-For-All now and to me it is interesting because it has a lot of different people, not in spite of it.
They don't call America the melting pot for nothing. Even StarCraft 2 WCS America has players from all regions.
On July 03 2013 05:37 lykkekage wrote: Kespa players in the qualifiers now as well
I guess the Americans are screwed even more now
Honestly, I view WCS AM more like WCS International Free-For-All now and to me it is interesting because it has a lot of different people, not in spite of it.
They don't call America the melting pot for nothing. Even StarCraft 2 WCS America has players from all regions.
Even got kespa, we got a bit of esf, America, Europe, China, kespa and even an Aussie or two. America is truly the land of equal opportunity.
Did Choya come out of retirement? If not why the fuck is he knocking players out of the WCS America qualifiers if he has no intention of competing if he qualifies?
King choya > Ian (Taiwan player, beat minigun last season) Choya vs ggandol in the 3rd round
On July 03 2013 05:52 Elite_ wrote: Did Choya come out of retirement? If not why the fuck is he knocking players out of the WCS America qualifiers if he has no intention of competing if he qualifies?
Sometimes being 1-0 vs marineking isn't enough for a man.
@kimaphan 7m So excited to have @Gretorp and @Frodan at the Blizzard studios to kick off the #WCS America Qualifiers at 3pm PDT!! pic.twitter.com/pnFjsPqEwx
On July 03 2013 05:58 TumNarDok wrote: @kimaphan 7m So excited to have @Gretorp and @Frodan at the Blizzard studios to kick off the #WCS America Qualifiers at 3pm PDT!! pic.twitter.com/pnFjsPqEwx
You didn't see the announcement from Urbzie a hour ago in the other thread?
On July 03 2013 06:09 AgentW wrote: Motive to play Xeno should Xeno win against Bails. Hopefully the results of this qualifier look like the EU Code A qualifiers from Season 1.
I assume you mean EU Code S where only one Korean qualified as opposed to the 3 that qualified for Code A.
On July 03 2013 06:09 AgentW wrote: Motive to play Xeno should Xeno win against Bails. Hopefully the results of this qualifier look like the EU Code A qualifiers from Season 1.
I assume you mean EU Code S where only one Korean qualified as opposed to the 3 that qualified for Code A.
On July 03 2013 06:09 AgentW wrote: Motive to play Xeno should Xeno win against Bails. Hopefully the results of this qualifier look like the EU Code A qualifiers from Season 1.
I assume you mean EU Code S where only one Korean qualified as opposed to the 3 that qualified for Code A.
That's the one, thanks.
idk you have Sound who qualified for Code A last season, ByuL who was there not too long ago, Mini who is probably comparable to hitman as a kespa player, and B4 who was also recently in WCS KR. Also Center and HyuN are playing in this
I'm not entirely sure but he was said to be playing in the qualifiers by hendralisk so it could be
If that's really Hack, he's probably one of the top two players in this thing along with hitman.
On July 03 2013 06:11 Elite_ wrote:
On July 03 2013 06:09 AgentW wrote: Motive to play Xeno should Xeno win against Bails. Hopefully the results of this qualifier look like the EU Code A qualifiers from Season 1.
I assume you mean EU Code S where only one Korean qualified as opposed to the 3 that qualified for Code A.
That's the one, thanks.
idk you have Sound who qualified for Code A last season, ByuL who was there not too long ago, Mini who is probably comparable to hitman as a kespa player, and B4 who was also recently in WCS KR. Also Center and HyuN are playing in this
I didn't know about all of those names (a few aliases and my carelessness). Pretty much all of those are dangerous in my mind. Don't know much about mini, unless I've just been missing him in PL. Hitman was winning a decent amount. B4 was quite recently Code S, IIRC.
I'm not entirely sure but he was said to be playing in the qualifiers by hendralisk so it could be
If that's really Hack, he's probably one of the top two players in this thing along with hitman.
On July 03 2013 06:11 Elite_ wrote:
On July 03 2013 06:09 AgentW wrote: Motive to play Xeno should Xeno win against Bails. Hopefully the results of this qualifier look like the EU Code A qualifiers from Season 1.
I assume you mean EU Code S where only one Korean qualified as opposed to the 3 that qualified for Code A.
That's the one, thanks.
idk you have Sound who qualified for Code A last season, ByuL who was there not too long ago, Mini who is probably comparable to hitman as a kespa player, and B4 who was also recently in WCS KR. Also Center and HyuN are playing in this
I didn't know about all of those names (a few aliases and my carelessness). Pretty much all of those are dangerous in my mind. Don't know much about mini, unless I've just been missing him in PL. Hitman was winning a decent amount. B4 was quite recently Code S, IIRC.
Just heard that Tassadar is also in this.
Yeah Tassadar is playing and he already beat Comm. Comm probably hating what happened in season 1 so much right now BBoongBBoong > wannabecool
I'm not entirely sure but he was said to be playing in the qualifiers by hendralisk so it could be
If that's really Hack, he's probably one of the top two players in this thing along with hitman.
On July 03 2013 06:11 Elite_ wrote:
On July 03 2013 06:09 AgentW wrote: Motive to play Xeno should Xeno win against Bails. Hopefully the results of this qualifier look like the EU Code A qualifiers from Season 1.
I assume you mean EU Code S where only one Korean qualified as opposed to the 3 that qualified for Code A.
That's the one, thanks.
idk you have Sound who qualified for Code A last season, ByuL who was there not too long ago, Mini who is probably comparable to hitman as a kespa player, and B4 who was also recently in WCS KR. Also Center and HyuN are playing in this
I didn't know about all of those names (a few aliases and my carelessness). Pretty much all of those are dangerous in my mind. Don't know much about mini, unless I've just been missing him in PL. Hitman was winning a decent amount. B4 was quite recently Code S, IIRC.
Just heard that Tassadar is also in this.
Mini is the guy that beat Flash in Code A Ro32 last year. :o
I'm not entirely sure but he was said to be playing in the qualifiers by hendralisk so it could be
If that's really Hack, he's probably one of the top two players in this thing along with hitman.
On July 03 2013 06:11 Elite_ wrote:
On July 03 2013 06:09 AgentW wrote: Motive to play Xeno should Xeno win against Bails. Hopefully the results of this qualifier look like the EU Code A qualifiers from Season 1.
I assume you mean EU Code S where only one Korean qualified as opposed to the 3 that qualified for Code A.
That's the one, thanks.
idk you have Sound who qualified for Code A last season, ByuL who was there not too long ago, Mini who is probably comparable to hitman as a kespa player, and B4 who was also recently in WCS KR. Also Center and HyuN are playing in this
I didn't know about all of those names (a few aliases and my carelessness). Pretty much all of those are dangerous in my mind. Don't know much about mini, unless I've just been missing him in PL. Hitman was winning a decent amount. B4 was quite recently Code S, IIRC.
Just heard that Tassadar is also in this.
Yeah Tassadar is playing and he already beat Comm. Comm probably hating what happened in season 1 so much right now BBoongBBoong > wannabecool
Poor Comm. Tough situation for him, and he's clearly a pretty good player. With this influx of Koreans, I'm not sure he's ever going to make it.
I'm not entirely sure but he was said to be playing in the qualifiers by hendralisk so it could be
If that's really Hack, he's probably one of the top two players in this thing along with hitman.
On July 03 2013 06:11 Elite_ wrote:
On July 03 2013 06:09 AgentW wrote: Motive to play Xeno should Xeno win against Bails. Hopefully the results of this qualifier look like the EU Code A qualifiers from Season 1.
I assume you mean EU Code S where only one Korean qualified as opposed to the 3 that qualified for Code A.
That's the one, thanks.
idk you have Sound who qualified for Code A last season, ByuL who was there not too long ago, Mini who is probably comparable to hitman as a kespa player, and B4 who was also recently in WCS KR. Also Center and HyuN are playing in this
I didn't know about all of those names (a few aliases and my carelessness). Pretty much all of those are dangerous in my mind. Don't know much about mini, unless I've just been missing him in PL. Hitman was winning a decent amount. B4 was quite recently Code S, IIRC.
Just heard that Tassadar is also in this.
Mini is the guy that beat Flash in Code A Ro32 last year. :o
Didn't know that. I guess my memory is just horrible D:
I'm not entirely sure but he was said to be playing in the qualifiers by hendralisk so it could be
If that's really Hack, he's probably one of the top two players in this thing along with hitman.
On July 03 2013 06:11 Elite_ wrote:
On July 03 2013 06:09 AgentW wrote: Motive to play Xeno should Xeno win against Bails. Hopefully the results of this qualifier look like the EU Code A qualifiers from Season 1.
I assume you mean EU Code S where only one Korean qualified as opposed to the 3 that qualified for Code A.
That's the one, thanks.
idk you have Sound who qualified for Code A last season, ByuL who was there not too long ago, Mini who is probably comparable to hitman as a kespa player, and B4 who was also recently in WCS KR. Also Center and HyuN are playing in this
I didn't know about all of those names (a few aliases and my carelessness). Pretty much all of those are dangerous in my mind. Don't know much about mini, unless I've just been missing him in PL. Hitman was winning a decent amount. B4 was quite recently Code S, IIRC.
Just heard that Tassadar is also in this.
Yeah Tassadar is playing and he already beat Comm. Comm probably hating what happened in season 1 so much right now BBoongBBoong > wannabecool
Poor Comm. Tough situation for him, and he's clearly a pretty good player. With this influx of Koreans, I'm not sure he's ever going to make it.
I'm not entirely sure but he was said to be playing in the qualifiers by hendralisk so it could be
If that's really Hack, he's probably one of the top two players in this thing along with hitman.
On July 03 2013 06:11 Elite_ wrote:
On July 03 2013 06:09 AgentW wrote: Motive to play Xeno should Xeno win against Bails. Hopefully the results of this qualifier look like the EU Code A qualifiers from Season 1.
I assume you mean EU Code S where only one Korean qualified as opposed to the 3 that qualified for Code A.
That's the one, thanks.
idk you have Sound who qualified for Code A last season, ByuL who was there not too long ago, Mini who is probably comparable to hitman as a kespa player, and B4 who was also recently in WCS KR. Also Center and HyuN are playing in this
I didn't know about all of those names (a few aliases and my carelessness). Pretty much all of those are dangerous in my mind. Don't know much about mini, unless I've just been missing him in PL. Hitman was winning a decent amount. B4 was quite recently Code S, IIRC.
Just heard that Tassadar is also in this.
Mini is the guy that beat Flash in Code A Ro32 last year. :o
Didn't know that. I guess my memory is just horrible D:
He's also the guy that knocked NaNiwa out of the GSL in the same season... lol
On July 03 2013 06:22 Fusilero wrote: Non American guaranteed in top 4, courage vs xigua (courage is Chinese) and ggandol vs choya. QXC vs Lucky on scarlett's stream so infi is out
Scroll up to the top and hide the Ro 256 and tell me this again later when it's actually guaranteed.
On July 03 2013 06:22 Fusilero wrote: Non American guaranteed in top 4, courage vs xigua (courage is Chinese) and ggandol vs choya. QXC vs Lucky on scarlett's stream so infi is out
Scroll up to the top and hide the Ro 256 and tell me this again later when it's actually guaranteed.
So B4 joined WCS NA, interesting. feel like slowly more GSTL players are going to move to this region and it's basically going to become 30 koreans + 2 EU/NA/Sea players if they keep the rules in place
On July 03 2013 06:40 LighT. wrote: So B4 joined WCS NA, interesting. feel like slowly more GSTL players are going to move to this region and it's basically going to become 30 koreans + 2 EU/NA/Sea players if they keep the rules in place
Not only GSTL players, benchwarmers for Proleague as well.
On July 03 2013 06:40 LighT. wrote: So B4 joined WCS NA, interesting. feel like slowly more GSTL players are going to move to this region and it's basically going to become 30 koreans + 2 EU/NA/Sea players if they keep the rules in place
Yep, and it's horrible for the NA/EU scenes. Europeans can cry all they want about how much better they are than NA players (which they are), but if they had as many Koreans moving into their server if the ping was better, it would be of extreme detriment to their scene. America's not going to hold because the KR to legitimate AM player ratio in this qualifier is like 1:4 if that. It's ridiculous.
On July 03 2013 06:40 LighT. wrote: So B4 joined WCS NA, interesting. feel like slowly more GSTL players are going to move to this region and it's basically going to become 30 koreans + 2 EU/NA/Sea players if they keep the rules in place
Yep, and it's horrible for the NA/EU scenes. Europeans can cry all they want about how much better they are than NA players (which they are), but if they had as many Koreans moving into their server because the ping is better, it would be of extreme detriment to their scene. America's not going to hold because the KR to legitimate AM player ratio in this qualifier is like 1:4 if that. It's ridiculous.
Dw axiom/EG/TL are doing a good job to ensure that top American players are earning their share by flooding premier league with their Koreans.
On July 03 2013 06:40 LighT. wrote: So B4 joined WCS NA, interesting. feel like slowly more GSTL players are going to move to this region and it's basically going to become 30 koreans + 2 EU/NA/Sea players if they keep the rules in place
Yep, and it's horrible for the NA/EU scenes. Europeans can cry all they want about how much better they are than NA players (which they are), but if they had as many Koreans moving into their server because the ping is better, it would be of extreme detriment to their scene. America's not going to hold because the KR to legitimate AM player ratio in this qualifier is like 1:4 if that. It's ridiculous.
Dw axiom/EG/TL are doing a good job to ensure that top American players are earning their share by flooding premier league with their Koreans.
I don't blame them for a second. You have to play within the rules established by the people who set them. Doesn't mean that the people who set the rules did it properly.
On July 03 2013 06:40 LighT. wrote: So B4 joined WCS NA, interesting. feel like slowly more GSTL players are going to move to this region and it's basically going to become 30 koreans + 2 EU/NA/Sea players if they keep the rules in place
Yep, and it's horrible for the NA/EU scenes. Europeans can cry all they want about how much better they are than NA players (which they are), but if they had as many Koreans moving into their server because the ping is better, it would be of extreme detriment to their scene. America's not going to hold because the KR to legitimate AM player ratio in this qualifier is like 1:4 if that. It's ridiculous.
Dw axiom/EG/TL are doing a good job to ensure that top American players are earning their share by flooding premier league with their Koreans.
I don't blame them for a second. You have to play within the rules established by the people who set them. Doesn't mean that the people who set the rules did it properly.
I still think they should enforce a "you have to live in a region to participate in it" like MMA did during WCS EU or polt is atm (With some exceptions such as Australians and China who don't get their WCS)
On July 03 2013 06:40 LighT. wrote: So B4 joined WCS NA, interesting. feel like slowly more GSTL players are going to move to this region and it's basically going to become 30 koreans + 2 EU/NA/Sea players if they keep the rules in place
Yep, and it's horrible for the NA/EU scenes. Europeans can cry all they want about how much better they are than NA players (which they are), but if they had as many Koreans moving into their server if the ping was better, it would be of extreme detriment to their scene. America's not going to hold because the KR to legitimate AM player ratio in this qualifier is like 1:4 if that. It's ridiculous.
On July 03 2013 06:40 LighT. wrote: So B4 joined WCS NA, interesting. feel like slowly more GSTL players are going to move to this region and it's basically going to become 30 koreans + 2 EU/NA/Sea players if they keep the rules in place
Not only GSTL players, benchwarmers for Proleague as well.
Unsure about proleague. because if they make it to ro16, they'll have to ship the player out to live in the states temporarily. Can't see a proleague team expending tons of money for the accomodation of players like Bunny, Journey and Lalapalooza
On July 03 2013 06:40 LighT. wrote: So B4 joined WCS NA, interesting. feel like slowly more GSTL players are going to move to this region and it's basically going to become 30 koreans + 2 EU/NA/Sea players if they keep the rules in place
Not only GSTL players, benchwarmers for Proleague as well.
Unsure about proleague. because if they make it to ro16, they'll have to ship the player out to live in the states temporarily. Can't see a proleague team expending tons of money for the accomodation of players like Bunny, Journey and Lalapalooza
There are at least 4 kespa players in this qualifier: Motive, hitman, Mini, and Comet
On July 03 2013 06:40 LighT. wrote: So B4 joined WCS NA, interesting. feel like slowly more GSTL players are going to move to this region and it's basically going to become 30 koreans + 2 EU/NA/Sea players if they keep the rules in place
Not only GSTL players, benchwarmers for Proleague as well.
Unsure about proleague. because if they make it to ro16, they'll have to ship the player out to live in the states temporarily. Can't see a proleague team expending tons of money for the accomodation of players like Bunny, Journey and Lalapalooza
There's two KT players and two STX players in the qualifier... Have you not noticed?
On July 03 2013 06:40 LighT. wrote: So B4 joined WCS NA, interesting. feel like slowly more GSTL players are going to move to this region and it's basically going to become 30 koreans + 2 EU/NA/Sea players if they keep the rules in place
Not only GSTL players, benchwarmers for Proleague as well.
Unsure about proleague. because if they make it to ro16, they'll have to ship the player out to live in the states temporarily. Can't see a proleague team expending tons of money for the accomodation of players like Bunny, Journey and Lalapalooza
There are KesPA guys in the qualifiers. So clearly proleague teams are okay with it
EDIT: Major also said he was talking to someone on a kespa team (dont remember who) and that these guys were the first of many B teamers who are going to try in the qualifiers.
In the first season, the only Korean in WCS AM who played for a Korean team was NesTea, now you have Azubu, Prime, HoSeo, IM, StarTale, FXO.KR, and several KeSPA teams sending their players, further draining WCS KR...I wonder who we'll see attempting to qualify to WCS EU Challenger next...
On July 03 2013 06:48 mikkmagro wrote: In the first season, the only Korean in WCS AM who played for a Korean team was NesTea, now you have Azubu, Prime, HoSeo, IM, StarTale, FXO.KR, and several KeSPA teams sending their players, further draining WCS KR...I wonder who we'll see attempting to qualify to WCS EU Challenger next...
On July 03 2013 06:48 mikkmagro wrote: In the first season, the only Korean in WCS AM who played for a Korean team was NesTea, now you have Azubu, Prime, HoSeo, IM, StarTale, FXO.KR, and several KeSPA teams sending their players, further draining WCS KR...I wonder who we'll see attempting to qualify to WCS EU Challenger next...
Who is Prime sending abroad?
No one. He probably thinks fart fart is still on prime.
On July 03 2013 06:48 mikkmagro wrote: In the first season, the only Korean in WCS AM who played for a Korean team was NesTea, now you have Azubu, Prime, HoSeo, IM, StarTale, FXO.KR, and several KeSPA teams sending their players, further draining WCS KR...I wonder who we'll see attempting to qualify to WCS EU Challenger next...
Who is Prime sending abroad?
He probably didn't get the memo B4 left Prime months ago...
On July 03 2013 06:40 LighT. wrote: So B4 joined WCS NA, interesting. feel like slowly more GSTL players are going to move to this region and it's basically going to become 30 koreans + 2 EU/NA/Sea players if they keep the rules in place
Not only GSTL players, benchwarmers for Proleague as well.
Unsure about proleague. because if they make it to ro16, they'll have to ship the player out to live in the states temporarily. Can't see a proleague team expending tons of money for the accomodation of players like Bunny, Journey and Lalapalooza
There are at least 4 kespa players in this qualifier: Motive, hitman, Mini, and Comet
wait wait what? The hitman is in this? Oh dear god, yes!
Also I wonder if STX sending Mini and Comet means STX Soul staying put..
On July 03 2013 06:48 mikkmagro wrote: In the first season, the only Korean in WCS AM who played for a Korean team was NesTea, now you have Azubu, Prime, HoSeo, IM, StarTale, FXO.KR, and several KeSPA teams sending their players, further draining WCS KR...I wonder who we'll see attempting to qualify to WCS EU Challenger next...
Who is Prime sending abroad?
He probably didn't get the memo B4 left Prime months ago...
haha yeah it's still hard to forget the FartFartPrime
I had to mute the stream because the jumble of everyone talking about everything except the game is annoying. Plus Scarlett is doing a fine enough job on her own.
On July 03 2013 06:58 LighT. wrote: The explains hitman's afk status in the qualifier. Now time to investigate who did not participate in the qualifiers that's Kespa
SKT T1 JYJ WJS PianO
:/...very underwhelming list..
I thought I remembered seeing Piano in the KR qualifiers his SC2 name is Organ. He lost 0-2 to Seed in the semis of his bracket
On July 03 2013 06:58 LighT. wrote: The explains hitman's afk status in the qualifier. Now time to investigate who did not participate in the qualifiers that's Kespa
SKT T1 JYJ WJS PianO
:/...very underwhelming list..
I thought I remembered seeing Piano in the KR qualifiers his SC2 name is Organ. He lost 0-2 to Seed in the semis of his bracket
Oh, just did a ctrl+f search on the brackets. Didnt know he went by organ now. I stand corrected
On July 03 2013 07:06 Fusilero wrote: WCS admin has told scarlett to stop streaming today.
What? Who is it benefiting to prevent WCS qualifiers from being cast? What is the point of restricting this if NASL is cool with them casting the other matches?
On July 03 2013 07:06 Fusilero wrote: WCS admin has told scarlett to stop streaming today.
What? Who is it benefiting to prevent WCS qualifiers from being cast? What is the point of restricting this if NASL is cool with them casting the other matches?
I dont really get why they dont want any community streams for additional cover? Anyways... liked what Scarlett and the rest did on her stream, looking forward to some more stuff like that
At the end of the day they're justified in what they're doing, NASL wants those viewers and without authorization they'll see suppy/scarlett as taking the viewers. It happened last qualifier when MLG asked NASL to stop their stream during qualifiers. Scarlett is still talking to admins and suppy/major are being defiant about this. K scarlett has told suppy it's final they won't be allowed anything for today.
Streaming a 512-player bracket with 1 stream and starting in the ro32, nice try there WCS, I'll watch speedruns instead
On July 03 2013 07:10 LighT. wrote: Is this like the EU qualifiers where players are given multiple chances to advance or is it like KR and you have only one shot at it?
On July 03 2013 07:10 LighT. wrote: Is this like the EU qualifiers where players are given multiple chances to advance or is it like KR and you have only one shot at it?
On July 03 2013 07:06 Fusilero wrote: WCS admin has told scarlett to stop streaming today.
What? Who is it benefiting to prevent WCS qualifiers from being cast? What is the point of restricting this if NASL is cool with them casting the other matches?
NASL is an official WCS partner, scarlett and co probably not. Probably there are some agreements on what can be shown by others and from which round the official partners should cast.
On July 03 2013 07:10 LighT. wrote: Is this like the EU qualifiers where players are given multiple chances to advance or is it like KR and you have only one shot at it?
On July 03 2013 07:10 Fusilero wrote: At the end of the day they're justified in what they're doing, NASL wants those viewers and without authorization they'll see suppy/scarlett as taking the viewers. It happened last qualifier when MLG asked NASL to stop their stream during qualifiers. Scarlett is still talking to admins and suppy/major are being defiant about this. K scarlett has told suppy it's final they won't be allowed anything for today.
I thought Suppy said they asked NASL if they could cast some matches and NASL said it was okay, but then Blizzard said it wasn't NASL's call. Which seems weird to me, because isn't the only reason to keep it exclusive to benefit NASL?
The ESL streams were all authorized as language specific WCS streams, I guess if suppy/scarlett were willing to make themselves WCS stream 2 or something blizzard may allow them a green light.
ahhhhh, it's so amazing to hear these two and not the ax's, maybe i am a bad person or something, but i am so happy right now, i can't even imagine how happy i will be when bitterdam will be casting wcs am.
On July 03 2013 07:25 Undead1993 wrote: ahhhhh, it's so amazing to hear these two and not the ax's, maybe i am a bad person or something, but i am so happy right now, i can't even imagine how happy i will be when bitterdam will be casting wcs am.
On July 03 2013 07:25 Undead1993 wrote: ahhhhh, it's so amazing to hear these two and not the ax's, maybe i am a bad person or something, but i am so happy right now, i can't even imagine how happy i will be when bitterdam will be casting wcs am.
yeah man...i feel like a douche but i cant stand listening to the Ax`s. Gretorp and Frodan is easier to listen to.
On July 03 2013 07:25 Undead1993 wrote: ahhhhh, it's so amazing to hear these two and not the ax's, maybe i am a bad person or something, but i am so happy right now, i can't even imagine how happy i will be when bitterdam will be casting wcs am.
They'll be casting the Ro8-->finals tomorrow. ;o
yay more good news! btw. in wcs eu qualfier one there are already koreans signed up, i just signed up myself and there is for example azubugenius, but also kespa guys like hoejja from kt. this will get interesting.
so this is the blizz studio right? and sometimes ex ipl ppl will cast aswell for chall league and it will be on nasl studio wcs code s ro 16 and forward am i right with this ?
that sound thing can be fixed with selecting other resolution. But its definitely a production error on the broadcaster side (ESL had it at a point aswell in may)
Just an interesting thing to note, but HyuN has been using the same styles in every match-up recently, from MLG, ATC and now even the WCS NA qualifier, which should place him at a disadvantage because he gets predictable. Yet somehow HyuN can muscle out victories through sheer mechanical prowess and some nice tactical skills he possess.
On July 03 2013 07:51 PhoenixVoid wrote: By the way, how did HyuN lose game 1 against Arthur? From the comment I read, it seems he failed a Bane bust.
cannon rush, he built only zerglings but then decide to just let his hatch die and counter banebust, it failed, and arthur just went immortals blinkstlaker +2 and killled him.
I was wondering where all the ESF players were for the Code A qualifiers. They all went to WCS NA, lmao.
Every player/team realizes that they will have to pay out of their own pocket if any player reaches top 16 Premier League right? Or are we going to see half of them forfeit because they can't pay for flights/accomodations/etc.
Only just tuned into this and had a quick peek at the RO32 so far on Liquipedia. Have to say compared to the kind of Korean threat EU faced I feel so sorry for all American's out there
On July 03 2013 07:54 Megiddosc wrote: I was wondering where all the ESF players were for the Code A qualifiers. They all went to WCS NA, lmao.
Every player/team realizes that they will have to pay out of their own pocket if any player reaches top 16 Premier League right? Or are we going to see half of them forfeit because they can't pay for flights/accomodations/etc.
The players trying to qualify from eSF teams probably can't even reach the ro16 with the players already in the Premier League so you don't have to worry about this... The only ones that probably could are the StarTale ones, and they have enough sponsors to support their travel expenses.
On July 03 2013 07:57 Greendotz wrote: Only just tuned into this and had a quick peek at the RO32 so far on Liquipedia. Have to say compared to the kind of Korean threat EU faced I feel so sorry for all American's out there
well the eu qualifiers for season 2 are still to come
On July 03 2013 07:54 Megiddosc wrote: I was wondering where all the ESF players were for the Code A qualifiers. They all went to WCS NA, lmao.
Every player/team realizes that they will have to pay out of their own pocket if any player reaches top 16 Premier League right? Or are we going to see half of them forfeit because they can't pay for flights/accomodations/etc.
The players trying to qualify from eSF teams probably can't even reach the ro16 with the players already in the Premier League so you don't have to worry about this... The only ones that probably could are the StarTale ones, and they have enough sponsors to support their travel expenses.
I could easily see one of the Azubu players reaching ro16 Premier.
On July 03 2013 07:57 Greendotz wrote: Only just tuned into this and had a quick peek at the RO32 so far on Liquipedia. Have to say compared to the kind of Korean threat EU faced I feel so sorry for all American's out there
On July 03 2013 07:54 Megiddosc wrote: I was wondering where all the ESF players were for the Code A qualifiers. They all went to WCS NA, lmao.
Every player/team realizes that they will have to pay out of their own pocket if any player reaches top 16 Premier League right? Or are we going to see half of them forfeit because they can't pay for flights/accomodations/etc.
The players trying to qualify from eSF teams probably can't even reach the ro16 with the players already in the Premier League so you don't have to worry about this... The only ones that probably could are the StarTale ones, and they have enough sponsors to support their travel expenses.
I could easily see one of the Azubu players reaching ro16 Premier.
Well, AZUBU also has enough money to send their players. Just look at how much they send viOLet abroad.
On July 03 2013 07:57 Greendotz wrote: Only just tuned into this and had a quick peek at the RO32 so far on Liquipedia. Have to say compared to the kind of Korean threat EU faced I feel so sorry for all American's out there
On July 03 2013 07:54 Megiddosc wrote: I was wondering where all the ESF players were for the Code A qualifiers. They all went to WCS NA, lmao.
Every player/team realizes that they will have to pay out of their own pocket if any player reaches top 16 Premier League right? Or are we going to see half of them forfeit because they can't pay for flights/accomodations/etc.
The players trying to qualify from eSF teams probably can't even reach the ro16 with the players already in the Premier League so you don't have to worry about this... The only ones that probably could are the StarTale ones, and they have enough sponsors to support their travel expenses.
I could easily see one of the Azubu players reaching ro16 Premier.
Well, AZUBU also has enough money to send their players. Just look at how much they send viOLet abroad.
Iirc though violet flew around due to his connections from CSL, the other azubu players cancelled at dreamhack.
why do these casters say Hyun is the first to go into the round of 16, when anyone with access to the bracket can clearly see that there are several other people in the round of 16 that got there before Hyun?
On July 03 2013 07:38 NonY wrote: Terrible experience with that WCS tournament. I don't think I'll attempt to play in another one until there's a new system. I ended up waiting around and doing nothing for three hours only to have my opponent advance over me without any games being played. I've never seen a site full of so much irrelevant information. Something like 90% of the links on the WCS AM qualifier tournament page are to things unrelated to the WCS AM qualifiers. Even something as simple as going to http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/wcs/america_2013season2_challenger_qualifier1/ and clicking "Play" is a completely false path. I never found any information on my opponent except his ESL site profile, which didn't show me his b.net info. I went in the b.net chat several times and asked admins how to play my match and never got a response. They weren't afk; they just didn't respond to my questions. Since most players seemed to participate easily, I'm guessing I missed something, but the site is full of so much misdirection that I don't feel bad about it. And I thought the b.net chat would be a fail-safe but it wasn't.
you just have to do damage with the dts maybe if he sends all 3 to the third and kills it he has a chance but it went very poorly but i am happy for hyun!
On July 03 2013 07:57 Greendotz wrote: Only just tuned into this and had a quick peek at the RO32 so far on Liquipedia. Have to say compared to the kind of Korean threat EU faced I feel so sorry for all American's out there
San will smash through EU
That actually makes me really happy, HotS needs more San. Has he completed his military service now?
I left my screen for a few seconds and came back to see some groups displayed on the screen and was like "Oh my god, the qualifier are STACKED ! Taeja ... Polt ... wait..."
On July 03 2013 07:57 Greendotz wrote: Only just tuned into this and had a quick peek at the RO32 so far on Liquipedia. Have to say compared to the kind of Korean threat EU faced I feel so sorry for all American's out there
San will smash through EU
That actually makes me really happy, HotS needs more San. Has he completed his military service now?
The sound always goes out on one side of my headphones. I'm guessing the side I need is the only side with audio. I always hear about the NASL sound guy, but really, what gives? Sup with NASL and sound issues?
On July 03 2013 07:38 NonY wrote: Terrible experience with that WCS tournament. I don't think I'll attempt to play in another one until there's a new system. I ended up waiting around and doing nothing for three hours only to have my opponent advance over me without any games being played. I've never seen a site full of so much irrelevant information. Something like 90% of the links on the WCS AM qualifier tournament page are to things unrelated to the WCS AM qualifiers. Even something as simple as going to http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/wcs/america_2013season2_challenger_qualifier1/ and clicking "Play" is a completely false path. I never found any information on my opponent except his ESL site profile, which didn't show me his b.net info. I went in the b.net chat several times and asked admins how to play my match and never got a response. They weren't afk; they just didn't respond to my questions. Since most players seemed to participate easily, I'm guessing I missed something, but the site is full of so much misdirection that I don't feel bad about it. And I thought the b.net chat would be a fail-safe but it wasn't.
hm i understand it might be confusing at first sight to navigate around if youve never dealt with it. you just need to go to the bracket and click on the VS. between players to get to the match data. its pretty bad, but almost every european pro has played a go4sc2 once, so they could get to know where to click and how to do stuff on the website.
On July 03 2013 07:38 NonY wrote: Terrible experience with that WCS tournament. I don't think I'll attempt to play in another one until there's a new system. I ended up waiting around and doing nothing for three hours only to have my opponent advance over me without any games being played. I've never seen a site full of so much irrelevant information. Something like 90% of the links on the WCS AM qualifier tournament page are to things unrelated to the WCS AM qualifiers. Even something as simple as going to http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/wcs/america_2013season2_challenger_qualifier1/ and clicking "Play" is a completely false path. I never found any information on my opponent except his ESL site profile, which didn't show me his b.net info. I went in the b.net chat several times and asked admins how to play my match and never got a response. They weren't afk; they just didn't respond to my questions. Since most players seemed to participate easily, I'm guessing I missed something, but the site is full of so much misdirection that I don't feel bad about it. And I thought the b.net chat would be a fail-safe but it wasn't.
hm i understand it might be confusing at first sight to navigate around if youve never dealt with it. you just need to go to the bracket and click on the VS. between players to get to the match data. its pretty bad, but almost every european pro has played a go4sc2 once, so they could get to know where to click and how to do stuff on the website.
It took me a little time the first time I navigated the site but it's not out-of-this-world confusing either.
On July 03 2013 07:38 NonY wrote: Terrible experience with that WCS tournament. I don't think I'll attempt to play in another one until there's a new system. I ended up waiting around and doing nothing for three hours only to have my opponent advance over me without any games being played. I've never seen a site full of so much irrelevant information. Something like 90% of the links on the WCS AM qualifier tournament page are to things unrelated to the WCS AM qualifiers. Even something as simple as going to http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/wcs/america_2013season2_challenger_qualifier1/ and clicking "Play" is a completely false path. I never found any information on my opponent except his ESL site profile, which didn't show me his b.net info. I went in the b.net chat several times and asked admins how to play my match and never got a response. They weren't afk; they just didn't respond to my questions. Since most players seemed to participate easily, I'm guessing I missed something, but the site is full of so much misdirection that I don't feel bad about it. And I thought the b.net chat would be a fail-safe but it wasn't.
Log-in; click on your match, see oponents bnet id. Sorry for your bad experience, but it is quite ok to navigate.
On July 03 2013 08:29 HereBeDragons wrote: How did Xigua switch from EU to AM? He was playing in the EU qualifiers for season1, doesn't that lock him in there until the end of the year?
it was said at the start of season 1 that you could change your region at the end of season 1. After that, you are locked for the year
On July 03 2013 08:29 HereBeDragons wrote: How did Xigua switch from EU to AM? He was playing in the EU qualifiers for season1, doesn't that lock him in there until the end of the year?
it was said at the start of season 1 that you could change your region at the end of season 1. After that, you are locked for the year
I see, thanks for the reply. I must've got confused with the rules.
On July 03 2013 08:50 juicyjames wrote: WCS AM S2 will be done by Blizzard (online portion) + NASL (offline portion). What do you guys think about the job they're doing so far?
12k for the online qualifiers alone seems great.
sad thing is they asked community stream to stop streaming :/
On July 03 2013 08:51 Laryleprakon wrote: It's cool to see more Kespa players, if they aren't going to region lock it at least we will get some of the better Koreans.
True but just because they're Kespa doesn't mean they're 'better'. Only 1/4 of the KeSPA players who signed up for this are still in it after all.
On July 03 2013 08:50 juicyjames wrote: WCS AM S2 will be done by Blizzard (online portion) + NASL (offline portion). What do you guys think about the job they're doing so far?
12k for the online qualifiers alone seems great.
Everything seems to be going well so far, stream is fine. Really anticipating NASL in the offline portion because NASL Season 4 was fantastic. It might not have had the crowds of MLG and IPL or backed by huge sponsors, but it had its own quirky charm which made up for it all.
On July 03 2013 08:50 juicyjames wrote: WCS AM S2 will be done by Blizzard (online portion) + NASL (offline portion). What do you guys think about the job they're doing so far?
12k for the online qualifiers alone seems great.
It seems fine but not a lot different to what MLG did.
On July 03 2013 08:51 Laryleprakon wrote: It's cool to see more Kespa players, if they aren't going to region lock it at least we will get some of the better Koreans.
True but just because they're Kespa doesn't mean they're 'better'. Only 1/4 of the KeSPA players who signed up for this are still in it after all.
On July 03 2013 08:51 Laryleprakon wrote: It's cool to see more Kespa players, if they aren't going to region lock it at least we will get some of the better Koreans.
They're the Proleague benchwarmers for a reason... 3 of the 4 KeSPA players in this qualifier are already out in or before the Ro32.
On July 03 2013 08:51 Laryleprakon wrote: It's cool to see more Kespa players, if they aren't going to region lock it at least we will get some of the better Koreans.
True but just because they're Kespa doesn't mean they're 'better'. Only 1/4 of the KeSPA players who signed up for this are still in it after all.
And 2 of them fell to foreigners
Not just any foreigners... Americans. And not just any Americans... Americans from America.
On July 03 2013 08:51 Laryleprakon wrote: It's cool to see more Kespa players, if they aren't going to region lock it at least we will get some of the better Koreans.
True but just because they're Kespa doesn't mean they're 'better'. Only 1/4 of the KeSPA players who signed up for this are still in it after all.
And 2 of them fell to foreigners
MLG was the turning point, the reign of eSF and Kespa is over. Hail CMstorm.
On July 03 2013 08:50 juicyjames wrote: WCS AM S2 will be done by Blizzard (online portion) + NASL (offline portion). What do you guys think about the job they're doing so far?
12k for the online qualifiers alone seems great.
siiick map intros, better casters (but that's very subjective in my opinion), other than that, it's still only the online qualifier, so there are no big changes compared to mlg.
On July 03 2013 08:51 Laryleprakon wrote: It's cool to see more Kespa players, if they aren't going to region lock it at least we will get some of the better Koreans.
True but just because they're Kespa doesn't mean they're 'better'. Only 1/4 of the KeSPA players who signed up for this are still in it after all.
And 2 of them fell to foreigners
MLG was the turning point, the reign of eSF and Kespa is over. Hail CMstorm.
Honestly, I think this qualifier bracket is harder than the recent Code A bracket. This does offer 4 chances though. But I think the Kespa/ESF players would have had a better chance staying in Korea imo. Then again, once you get Challenger/Premier League here it's a lot easier to maintain/advance so I guess it's a risk worth taking for a lot.
On July 03 2013 09:05 Megiddosc wrote: Honestly, I think this qualifier bracket is harder than the recent Code A bracket. This does offer 4 chances though. But I think the Kespa/ESF players would have had a better chance staying in Korea imo. Then again, once you get Challenger/Premier League here it's a lot easier to maintain/advance so I guess it's a risk worth taking for a lot.
On July 03 2013 09:05 Megiddosc wrote: Honestly, I think this qualifier bracket is harder than the recent Code A bracket. This does offer 4 chances though. But I think the Kespa/ESF players would have had a better chance staying in Korea imo. Then again, once you get Challenger/Premier League here it's a lot easier to maintain/advance so I guess it's a risk worth taking for a lot.
Just ask JYP. He was so happy he chose Korea in his interview when he qualified.
On July 03 2013 09:05 Megiddosc wrote: Honestly, I think this qualifier bracket is harder than the recent Code A bracket. This does offer 4 chances though. But I think the Kespa/ESF players would have had a better chance staying in Korea imo. Then again, once you get Challenger/Premier League here it's a lot easier to maintain/advance so I guess it's a risk worth taking for a lot.
Not sure if stupid or just trolling... O.o
It's probably your ignorance. To get Code A you had to win 2 or 3 matches.
To get Challenger League in WCS NA you have to win 6. The player pool at the Code A qualifiers wasn't all that impressive either. Perhaps slightly better compared to these qualifiers.
On July 03 2013 09:00 Elroi wrote: wtf are hitman and Mini doing in this tournament?
the same thing jaedong did? Qualifying for wcs am
But jaedong is on a foreign team. This is KT's hitman and STX's Mini...
So..? What's the difference?
As if that was a legitimate reason for that in the first place.
Well, kespa teams dont send their players to tournaments like these normally. Thats why it is strange. I wonder if they the players that are here have/are going to retire from their teams.
On July 03 2013 09:00 Elroi wrote: wtf are hitman and Mini doing in this tournament?
the same thing jaedong did? Qualifying for wcs am
But jaedong is on a foreign team. This is KT's hitman and STX's Mini...
So..? What's the difference?
As if that was a legitimate reason for that in the first place.
Well, kespa teams dont send their players to tournaments like these normally. Thats why it is strange. I wonder if they the players that are here have/are going to retire from their teams.
On July 03 2013 09:05 Megiddosc wrote: Honestly, I think this qualifier bracket is harder than the recent Code A bracket. This does offer 4 chances though. But I think the Kespa/ESF players would have had a better chance staying in Korea imo. Then again, once you get Challenger/Premier League here it's a lot easier to maintain/advance so I guess it's a risk worth taking for a lot.
Not sure if stupid or just trolling... O.o
It's actually intelligent. Just look back to YongHwa's bracket when he qualified. Easiest bracket ever. This bracket will be the same (or include more Koreans, such as Golden who didn't play in today's qualifier due to jetlag from MLG... or more KeSPA players that didn't play in this one for some reason.) every time. Plus the Koreans are waking up (or stating up until) to play in these qualifiers at like 2~5 AM (depending on the qualifier schedule, was 2 AM today). Who wants to be awake playing SC2 at that time? ~_~
I remember someone in the TeSL twitch chat was saying that Xigua was better than Jim and the best Chinese player. I'm not impressed with his play here at least.
On July 03 2013 09:16 Megiddosc wrote: I remember someone in the TeSL twitch chat was saying that Xigua was better than Jim and the best Chinese player. I'm not impressed with his play here at least.
On July 03 2013 09:16 Megiddosc wrote: I remember someone in the TeSL twitch chat was saying that Xigua was better than Jim and the best Chinese player. I'm not impressed with his play here at least.
To be fair he was the best Chinese player during the IPL5 Chinese qualifier... but that was over a year ago.
Its my first time tuning in to WCS NA/EU. How does this qualifier works? How many people advances from this bracket? The eliminated players can still play in the next qualifiers right?
On July 03 2013 09:23 Shellshock1122 wrote: Select beat Tassadar! Sup son?!
I could probably beat Tassadar at this point
pffft. Doubt it. Tassadar beat LzGaMeR and LzGaMeR beat Kespa
Does this mean comet is in Kespa jail now, for his failed diplomatic mission?
hitman should probably be in there too
Good thing original sc2 kespa bonjwa Lizzy is there to carry the protoss flag
On July 03 2013 09:28 iLoveKT wrote: Its my first time tuning in to WCS NA/EU. How does this qualifier works? How many people advances from this bracket? The eliminated players can still play in the next qualifiers right?
There are 4 qualifiers. Top 2 qualify for challenger. You can play in multiple qualifiers if you lose
On July 03 2013 09:28 iLoveKT wrote: Its my first time tuning in to WCS NA/EU. How does this qualifier works? How many people advances from this bracket? The eliminated players can still play in the next qualifiers right?
4 qualifiers, top 2 from each advance to challenger.
Just saw on Reddit that 4 hours ago, Scarlett, Major, Suppy, and Goswser were casting the WCS AM Qualifiers... Then Blizzard killed their stream. REALLY Blizzard? REALLY? Fuck you!
I think he should've gotten the templar archives a while ago or something, so much unused gas, and HT/archons would help so much against mutas. Motive keeps putting himself in a fantastic position then messing it up D:
Before you scoff at WCS AM, just look at some things:
1. JYP fled to WCS KR after failing to qualify for WCS AM premier or challenger divisions last season. He qualifies for WCS KR on the first try.
2. After HyuN qualifies in his bracket, WCS America will have 3 of the top 4 finishers at Homestory Cup VII including both finalists - TaeJa, Snute, and HyuN
3. After HyuN qualifies and now Sound changing his region to AM (qualifiers were too hard for a Red Bull LAN finalist like him. impressive shit), WCS AM will have 6 of the top 8 from the recent MLG including both finalists - Polt, HyuN, HerO, Sound, Jaedong, and Sage
4. Alicia dominated IMmvp at the WCS S1 season finals.
5. Both Red Bull Training Grounds finalists have changed their region to America - Sound and Golden
I think it's time we start realizing how strong WCS AM really is.
Before you scoff at WCS AM, just look at some things:
1. JYP fled to WCS KR after failing to qualify for WCS AM premier or challenger divisions last season. He qualifies for WCS KR on the first try.
2. After HyuN qualifies in his bracket, WCS America will have 3 of the top 4 finishers at Homestory Cup VII including both finalists - TaeJa, Snute, and HyuN
3. After HyuN qualifies and now Sound changing his region to AM (qualifiers were too hard for a Red Bull LAN finalist like him. impressive shit), WCS AM will have 6 of the top 8 from the recent MLG including both finalists - Polt, HyuN, HerO, Sound, Jaedong, and Sage
4. Alicia dominated IMmvp at the WCS S1 season finals.
5. Both Red Bull Training Grounds finalists have changed their region to America - Sound and Golden
I think it's time we start realizing how strong WCS AM really is.
WCS AM is the home of the elite Koreans: Elite meaning being on a team that has the funds to send them around the world.
Does this admin work for Blizzard? If so they should fire him for not knowing how to chat to the players as referee in the game the company he works for created....
On July 04 2013 08:14 Elite_ wrote: Does this admin work for Blizzard? If so they should fire him for not knowing how to chat to the players as referee in the game the company he works for created....
If I was zerg this is how I would play - build non stop drones early game and just accept some loses from hellions and hellbats and still be ahead economy wise.
I think zerg should just hold terran on 2 base on this map, rather then risk losing a ton of banelings like byul just did at the choke outside the natural + terran had a way better concave
On July 04 2013 08:40 Caladan wrote: Wow, 10k viewers only... I guess it has something to do with only Asians fighting in WCS America?
Well, still looking forward to Select's game! Anyone knows when he will play?
only? it's just a qualifier for challenger, 10k viewers at this hour is pretty good
"Challenger qualifier" doesn't sound that sexy but the competition is better than most S1 Premier groups I think. But yeah that and the time doesn't do it any favors viewer wise.
Select's rating got permanently obliterated by MLG vs Proleague I think. He lost to like every single Kespa player 0-2 when they were new to the system so their ratings were really low. Just look at his rating graph. I think he was on a 17 bo3 losing streak dating back to beating Puma in like October 2012. He finally broke it but his rating is destroyed.
On July 04 2013 09:01 Shellshock1122 wrote: Select's rating got permanently obliterated by MLG vs Proleague I think. He lost to like every single Kespa player 0-2 when they were new to the system so their ratings were really low. Just look at his rating graph. I think he was on a 17 bo3 losing streak dating back to beating Puma in like October 2012. He finally broke it but his rating is destroyed.
On July 04 2013 09:01 Shellshock1122 wrote: Select's rating got permanently obliterated by MLG vs Proleague I think. He lost to like every single Kespa player 0-2 when they were new to the system so their ratings were really low. Just look at his rating graph. I think he was on a 17 bo3 losing streak dating back to beating Puma in like October 2012. He finally broke it but his rating is destroyed.
the redbull thing doesn't speak in his favor tho.
True. He's definitely not a top player and won't have much of a chance here, but he probably has a slightly better shot against Xigua than it's giving him credit for. Xigua's streamed game didn't seem particularly impressive although it was a ZvZ so maybe that's just his worst matchup right now.
On July 04 2013 09:01 Shellshock1122 wrote: Select's rating got permanently obliterated by MLG vs Proleague I think. He lost to like every single Kespa player 0-2 when they were new to the system so their ratings were really low. Just look at his rating graph. I think he was on a 17 bo3 losing streak dating back to beating Puma in like October 2012. He finally broke it but his rating is destroyed.
the redbull thing doesn't speak in his favor tho.
True. He's definitely not a top player and won't have much of a chance here, but he probably has a slightly better shot against Xigua than it's giving him credit for. Xigua's streamed game didn't seem particularly impressive although it was a ZvZ so maybe that's just his worst matchup right now.
+ Select should have the latency advantage. I don't follow the chinese scene at all so I'm just stating that select play sucks a bit atm.
HyuN might be known as a mechanical monster, but I think he is underrated as a tactician. He takes great engagements with angling and micro, can pull off nice little tricks to take any advantage and defends well against most things. His only real issue recently has been his greed and tendency to get supply blocked frequently, but other than those two things, HyuN is absolutely terrifying.
On July 04 2013 09:15 PhoenixVoid wrote: HyuN might be known as a mechanical monster, but I think he is underrated as a tactician. He takes great engagements with angling and micro, can pull off nice little tricks to take any advantage and defends well against most things. His only real issue recently has been his greed and tendency to get supply blocked frequently, but other than those two things, HyuN is absolutely terrifying.
He actually uses burrow and contaminate to gain edges, so many zergs just completely ignore them.
On July 04 2013 09:16 Jer99 wrote: Did anyone else notice how long Hyun was on 4 gas? He never really took the 5/6th gas until later on
yep 4 base, 4 gas. When bitter was going crazy about how much zerg Hyun had, he was probably only on 65 drones, with ridiculous mineral income.
I wouldn't even know how to stop this, center got an incredible amount of workers with his hellbats while losing not that much in drops, and yet HyuN still had so much zerg
On July 04 2013 09:16 Jer99 wrote: Did anyone else notice how long Hyun was on 4 gas? He never really took the 5/6th gas until later on
yep 4 base, 4 gas. When bitter was going crazy about how much zerg Hyun had, he was probably only on 65 drones, with ridiculous mineral income.
Also notice how in the first major engagement HyuN was at 60 Drones compared to Center's 78. With an army with an additional 18 supply, HyuN had a big supply advantage.
On July 04 2013 09:16 Jer99 wrote: Did anyone else notice how long Hyun was on 4 gas? He never really took the 5/6th gas until later on
yep 4 base, 4 gas. When bitter was going crazy about how much zerg Hyun had, he was probably only on 65 drones, with ridiculous mineral income.
I wouldn't even know how to stop this, center got an incredible amount of workers with his hellbats while losing not that much in drops, and yet HyuN still had so much zerg
get mines and push/multidrop or get tanks and turtle into sky T 3/3 biomine or whatever. But don't push with tanks ;'(
On July 04 2013 09:16 Jer99 wrote: Did anyone else notice how long Hyun was on 4 gas? He never really took the 5/6th gas until later on
yep 4 base, 4 gas. When bitter was going crazy about how much zerg Hyun had, he was probably only on 65 drones, with ridiculous mineral income.
I wouldn't even know how to stop this, center got an incredible amount of workers with his hellbats while losing not that much in drops, and yet HyuN still had so much zerg
start by not walking onto creep unsieged and losing armies. you can also start 2/2 after 1/1 instead of waiting several minutes (and getting contaminated to boot, but it was hugely delayed to begin with). also by losing "not that much", you mean every medivac right?
On July 04 2013 09:16 Jer99 wrote: Did anyone else notice how long Hyun was on 4 gas? He never really took the 5/6th gas until later on
yep 4 base, 4 gas. When bitter was going crazy about how much zerg Hyun had, he was probably only on 65 drones, with ridiculous mineral income.
I wouldn't even know how to stop this, center got an incredible amount of workers with his hellbats while losing not that much in drops, and yet HyuN still had so much zerg
start by not walking onto creep unsieged and losing armies. you can also start 2/2 after 1/1 instead of waiting several minutes (and getting contaminated to boot, but it was hugely delayed to begin with). also by losing "not that much", you mean every medivac right?
Why Blizzard so hellbent on ruining everything. They would obviously only be watched by the more hardcore / high level fan base that want to actually learn about SC2. Both crowds would have been appeased. . .
Can I please point out how great the NASL map intros are? Really great. I can't not be stoked for NASL. These dudes deserved to do WCS Americas so much.
On July 04 2013 09:38 HeavenResign wrote: Can I please point out how great the NASL map intros are? Really great. I can't not be stoked for NASL. These dudes deserved to do WCS Americas so much.
Hot damn that was an impressive game from SeleCT. HyuN had better be careful, especially when SeleCT is such a drop heavy player which should work well against Roach/Bane.
This game has basically been one massive battle raging on for 15 minutes. Hack's macro is impressive, I haven't seen a Terran produce quite like him except a few KeSPA Terrans.
if brood lords were made, terran would have had to either commit to an attack with widow mines trying to burrow underneath or run back home and wait for a substantial amount of vikings. ultralisks are so useless in that situation and pretty much die without really being able to kill anything.
push creep out from the 3rd to give another angle from which the zerg could approach that position. i feel like you NEED creep to beat bio-mine, which meant he could never come down that ramp from the 4th.
On July 04 2013 10:58 Oboeman wrote: push creep out from the 3rd to give another angle from which the zerg could approach that position. i feel like you NEED creep to beat bio-mine, which meant he could never come down that ramp from the 4th.
Yes, if the Terran has high level micro you literally can't beat it without creep. You'd have to either tech to broodlords or land the sickest fungals ever.
On July 04 2013 10:58 Oboeman wrote: push creep out from the 3rd to give another angle from which the zerg could approach that position. i feel like you NEED creep to beat bio-mine, which meant he could never come down that ramp from the 4th.
Yes, if the Terran has high level micro you literally can't beat it without creep. You'd have to either tech to broodlords or land the sickest fungals ever.
If the Terran has high level micro sick Fungals aren't possible.
A Blizzard employee approaches you with a proposition. If HyuN wins against SeleCT and qualifies for WCS AM, you will receive $1 million esports dollars. If HyuN loses and SeleCT qualifies... YOU DIE
I've been watching HyuN play against many, many Terrans from a variety of skills, from Polt to some random NA players in HotS. Though people have a wide breadth of replays and even just word of mouth of HyuN's builds and composition, it just doesn't seem to hit people to counter his style blindly.
On July 04 2013 11:25 PhoenixVoid wrote: I've been watching HyuN play against many, many Terrans from a variety of skills, from Polt to some random NA players in HotS. Though people have a wide breadth of replays and even just word of mouth of HyuN's builds and composition, it just doesn't seem to hit people to counter his style blindly.
Make 2-3 tanks vs him in every game and I'm sure you will have a much better chance.
On July 04 2013 11:25 PhoenixVoid wrote: I've been watching HyuN play against many, many Terrans from a variety of skills, from Polt to some random NA players in HotS. Though people have a wide breadth of replays and even just word of mouth of HyuN's builds and composition, it just doesn't seem to hit people to counter his style blindly.
Make 2-3 tanks vs him in every game and I'm sure you will have a much better chance.
The problem is Hyun will switch it up and go super greedy. You don't want to be going tank against a zerg with five bases/90 drones
HyuN looking to finish game two quickly with a Roach Rush. Maybe he really is afraid of SeleCT's drop-heavy style and wants to finish it quick every game.
Ouch, this region is insanely stacked relative to the level of many of the foreigners there now. HerO going to have some stiff competition for season 2!
On July 04 2013 11:39 Dodgin wrote: Both MLG finalists are now in WCS America, is there any doubt that WCS America is the strongest WCS region!?!?
I thought I made a very convincing post in the power rank thread
WCS America even has two GSL semifinalists from last year and a three time GSL champion.
After doing some research, I'm surprised to report that WCS NA has the fewest GSL championships of the three regions, with Nestea+Polt's 4 to KR and EU's 7 each. Clearly this speaks to the fact that GSL is not a very competitive league, and that WCS NA players focus their efforts on more important events.
On July 05 2013 10:00 Let it Raine wrote: wcs eu is the easiest region to qualify for now
I actually think Korea is the easiest to qualify for, some of the brackets are ridiculously easy since there's less players competing for 22-24 spots every season instead of 8 for NA and EU.
EPT
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/shiroiusagi/wcs/wcs_na_lr.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/r9ZH0.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Ifb88.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bv8Kw.png)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/icons/74.png){kind=icon}
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/icons/184.png){kind=icon}
Bubbles, 
Sasquatch, 
KoMA, 
KawaiiRice, ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3wcCS.png)
Mini > 
Sting
BBoongBBoong > 
KawaiiRice is out
Lucky 2-1
QXC
Desrow
America.![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6XfOgun.png)
