TLO vs. MaNa Game 1 TLO vs. MaNa Game 2 TLO vs. MaNa Game 3
MMA vs. TAiLS Game 1 MMA vs. TAiLS Game 2 MMA vs. TAiLS Game 3
Winners' Match Game 1 Winners' Match Game 2 Winners' Match Game 3
Losers' Match Game 1 Losers' Match Game 2 Losers' Match Game 3
Final Match Game 1 Final Match Game 2 Mouz_Mana vs. Liquid_Tlo Game 2 Tlo is 1 game up Map: Whirlwind Tlo spawning in the left position Mana spawning in the bottom right position
Tlo goes for a 14 pool, 16hatch, Mana goes nexus first, only slight delay on hatchery. Forge for Mana
2 zerglings get in for TLO, he gets a full scout cybercore slightly delayed because of that, cuz Mana build a zealot first. 2 gases for mana lings killed some workers (4 in total) 3rd base for TLO, Mana goes for stargate again.
Phoenix production by mana, ling speed started just now for TLO, also overlord speed Tlo gets preamptive spore crawlers for phoenix defense. meele upgrades for TLO, also banelings nest, and a lot of lings. Mana adds 3 gates and a robo, while harassing with his phoenix. 5 phoenix got 8 drones so far.
Tlo getting burrow. Phoenix continue harass Mana still on 2 base, getting a collosi den. lings catch the toss army on the map but mana trades well because he forcefields well. Mana takes 3rd base, close to TLO, not opting to expand away. Lings pressure the front of the natural, mana tries to come in with his force from behind, but lings get a good surround and a lot of sentrys. Tlo takes 4th base. Tlo goes into infestation pit.
2 collosi are out for mana. Tlo skips spire and goes for ultralisk tech after hive Some inconsequential runbys by Tlo, mana defends his third base easily Ultralisk cavern started. Supplys are dead even at 150 Mana has got a warp prism and goes for drop in mainbase. TLO is opting for a drop with lings Zealots in the main of TLO kill ultralisk cavern andt Manas army gets TLOs 4th base Dropped Lings dont get much done in Manas main base.
Tlo got 2 other bases in the north DT tech for Mana Tlo harasses the third base with lings, but Manas army is to strong for TLO to engage. Lings snipe templar archives while storm is researching. Mana is running around on the map Mana warps in Zealots in the main again he also goes for one of the bases in the north Tlos army moves up and snipes Mothership core. Manas army is trapped. He got the Base, but he cannot leave. Tlos army retreats cuz the position for toss army is strong. Zealots wreak the main base of tlo. Tlo looses another base. TLo goes for the third from mana, but mana has DT tech ready and warps in dts. Tlo GGs Mana wins. Score is tied.
Final Match Game 3 Final map Tlo - Mana 1:1 Map: Neo planet Tlo spawns in the Top right position Mana spawns in the bottom left position
Mana goes for the usual probe scout, pylon on the low ground 14 pool for tlo, nexus first by mana. Very long probe block. Finally hatch for tlo Forge for Mana, then Gateway. 4:20 3rd base for TLO(the bottom third, not the highground). Still no gas taken by the zerg. Shawn is laggin.
Stargate tech by mana before warpgate research. 2 gases by TLO MSC started for Mana. Lair tech at 7:00 for TLO. TLo scouts the Stargate. Phoenix are out on the map. Tlo gets 1 evo chamber and zergling speed. Mana 3 gates and +1 attack
Tlo gets spore crawlers and missile attack this time Spire going down for TLO. Mana cuts probes and goes for pressure with phoenix and zealots at the third. Mana has robo follow up at home though. TLo is coming down with hydras to the third. Mana is doing decent damage. He got a queen, Base under attack. Mana is trading very cost efficient. Still a lot of Zealots at the third. Hatchery falls.
Mana is getting thermal lance and collosi at home, not taking a third base Tlo is 20 supply down, tries to go for mutas and retaking the third at the same time Mana has 2 collosi done already, and tlo only a few mutas. Mana is attacking, while some mutas harrass him at home. Mana looses his MSC Manas army is waaay to strong for TLO. He's got no answer for him. Tlos basetrade attempt failed TLO GGs Mana wins, 2:1
I feel like TLO is almost certain to get out of the group, but MMA is a question mark. He has been impressing in ATC and I really love that he is playing the standard game very well but most recently (GSTL and Snute, heh) it's like he is falling a little back down to that state Hopefully he's up for it.
If there wasn't cross server lag, I think there would be a good chance for Tails to advance given he has improved since release but it's hard to see him beat such solid player like TLO, MMA even if he can win in coinflip PvPs against Mana. Otherwise, it's just another Mana and MMA match like last time. can't wait to see if Mana makes comments at the end of the game again
Really love how people feel about TLO these days. But to be honest this will not be a walkover for him. MMA plays without any server lag issues and Tails and Mana are top notch toss players.
I pray that TLO advances but this shouldn`t be taken for granted.
I'm hoping for TLO and Mana to go through. On the brightside, one of them is guaranteed to go to the winners match but on the downside one is guaranteed not to. My pick was for TLO and MMA to go through though. TLO has been solid recently, but Mana said himself he wasn't great at HSC. Hopefully that means he thinks he can do better in this tournament.
This group is so hard to predict. Only TLO has been on a hot streak lately, but all of these players have had their streaky moments. MMA was way better than any of these guys at his peak, but its been a while....
On July 03 2013 00:56 Dwayn wrote: MMA is the weakest player in this group imo, would be surprised if he makes it out. Gonna go with TLO and mana.
Agree, very surprised that TL has rated him as favourite to get out of this group. Other than the fact he's playing in Europe, he's a washed up player who won't win another championship.
Following Apollo's concern about the third of Star Station, is it possible for a toss to take another main as his third on star station, and then use stationary sentries and recall to protect it?
On July 03 2013 01:24 umelbumel wrote: Damn. A year ago Mana would have crushed TLO 2:0, losira style playing with one hand only. TLO got so much better! Good to see.
they just said that mana didn't beat tlo in any broadcasted series since 2011
On July 03 2013 01:24 umelbumel wrote: Damn. A year ago Mana would have crushed TLO 2:0, losira style playing with one hand only. TLO got so much better! Good to see.
they just said that mana didn't beat tlo in any broadcasted series since 2011
On July 03 2013 01:24 umelbumel wrote: Damn. A year ago Mana would have crushed TLO 2:0, losira style playing with one hand only. TLO got so much better! Good to see.
they just said that mana didn't beat tlo in any broadcasted series since 2011
haha. Here I eat my words. :D But I think you know what I mean... Beating hyun, MC etc. :D
On July 03 2013 01:24 Nebuchad wrote: Following Apollo's concern about the third of Star Station, is it possible for a toss to take another main as his third on star station, and then use stationary sentries and recall to protect it?
On July 03 2013 01:24 umelbumel wrote: Damn. A year ago Mana would have crushed TLO 2:0, losira style playing with one hand only. TLO got so much better! Good to see.
they just said that mana didn't beat tlo in any broadcasted series since 2011
haha. Here I eat my words. :D But I think you know what I mean... Beating hyun, MC etc. :D
yeah of course. there map score is 13:8, so go figure how many series they actually played xD
On July 03 2013 01:24 Nebuchad wrote: Following Apollo's concern about the third of Star Station, is it possible for a toss to take another main as his third on star station, and then use stationary sentries and recall to protect it?
Mutas would sure love that third.
It's ZvP, mutas love anything except phenix =) Actually forcing/inducing air play on this map might be interesting. Because what we're seeing right now happens litteraly every single game on this map.
TLO has just mastered his unit control, watching his stream you can see that the way he spreads units vs. widow mines, FF, and really any ZvP or ZvT especially that his control is Life-like.... sometimes it seems even better.
Very good games vs. Mana, hopefully he just cruises right through the group!
Where is Kaelaris getting his numbers? TLPD disagrees. I don't know what the maintenance on TLPD is like, just curious where he got the sub 40% win rate in PvT for Tails
Where is Kaelaris getting his numbers? TLPD disagrees. I don't know what the maintenance on TLPD is like, just curious where he got the sub 40% win rate in PvT for Tails
Where is Kaelaris getting his numbers? TLPD disagrees. I don't know what the maintenance on TLPD is like, just curious where he got the sub 40% win rate in PvT for Tails
Where is Kaelaris getting his numbers? TLPD disagrees. I don't know what the maintenance on TLPD is like, just curious where he got the sub 40% win rate in PvT for Tails
Where is Kaelaris getting his numbers? TLPD disagrees. I don't know what the maintenance on TLPD is like, just curious where he got the sub 40% win rate in PvT for Tails
Where is Kaelaris getting his numbers? TLPD disagrees. I don't know what the maintenance on TLPD is like, just curious where he got the sub 40% win rate in PvT for Tails
Where is Kaelaris getting his numbers? TLPD disagrees. I don't know what the maintenance on TLPD is like, just curious where he got the sub 40% win rate in PvT for Tails
Where is Kaelaris getting his numbers? TLPD disagrees. I don't know what the maintenance on TLPD is like, just curious where he got the sub 40% win rate in PvT for Tails
Where is Kaelaris getting his numbers? TLPD disagrees. I don't know what the maintenance on TLPD is like, just curious where he got the sub 40% win rate in PvT for Tails
In HotS TAiLS has a 44% win-rate which is lower than in WoL. No idea where <40% came from.
Where is Kaelaris getting his numbers? TLPD disagrees. I don't know what the maintenance on TLPD is like, just curious where he got the sub 40% win rate in PvT for Tails
In HotS TAiLS has a 44% win-rate which is lower than in WoL. No idea where <40% came from.
Yeah, I realized I hat hit WoL after Tobblish pointed that out, low but not in the ball park of 30% low. Not the biggest deal was just curious.
Where is Kaelaris getting his numbers? TLPD disagrees. I don't know what the maintenance on TLPD is like, just curious where he got the sub 40% win rate in PvT for Tails
On July 03 2013 01:52 JacobDaKung wrote: Do the koreans play from korea if so is it on eu or kr server?
They play on the EU server sadly =/
Earlier on in the thread I think people mentioned MMA is in Europe somewhere.
Ye he douse but I think he haven't yet returned since he played in GSTL. Maybe Scarlett have info on that, saw you in the thread earlier Edit see below.
On July 03 2013 02:00 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: DT focus on supply depot because... :-?
Obnoxious, and forces money away from production. I think it is a way of compounding the econ damage DTs can do, keep the T army small. I don't play Terran though so take it with a grain of salt.
On July 03 2013 02:01 Sated wrote: Even if this doesn't work (Apollo just gave it the hat curse), I love TAiLS for pulling stuff like this out in important games :D
<3
I would argue that something like this is less of a risk than playing macro game vs. mma.
On July 03 2013 02:10 Tobblish wrote: I'm laughing my ass off right now. Man I don't think Tails have taken into account that he's playing with 350+ping.
On July 03 2013 02:10 Tobblish wrote: I'm laughing my ass off right now. Man I don't think Tails have taken into account that he's playing with 350+ping.
0 ping would have been exactly the same here.
If you say so Dwf you seem like a trusty old fellow
On July 03 2013 02:11 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I want to see a game where he does that without lag... I dont see how it would work unless the micro is just COMPLETELY out of this world different.
if he can actually coordinate the time warp so he can take adv of it in combat then maybe he gets something done
On July 03 2013 02:12 Sated wrote: I don't get why he didn't proxy the Gateway if he was going to do something like that. Would make a lot more sense IMO.
On July 03 2013 02:11 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I want to see a game where he does that without lag... I dont see how it would work unless the micro is just COMPLETELY out of this world different.
Seems forced. 8 supply may just be a better food count for Zerg and Terran as far as cheeses go.
I think he needs 2nd zealot instead of stalker. With only 3 or 4 marines the zealot will easily dismantle the scvs and chase the marines around, saving the mothership core.
I don't know if Tails did anything different because of those first two marines pushing the zealot back, maybe that's a complete non-issue the way things ended up playing out.
Fortunately MMA reacted strongly, though I'm not sure just how many scv's he pulled. I figure you can pull almost all of them vs that.
Game 2 I think he thought it was Tails' DT expand instead of what it was, or he just screwed up.
But Tails must have experienced some success on the ladder with that build, right? Otherwise, why would he bust it out against... MMA of all people? Or maybe he expected CC first but how likely is that after cheesing him in both games.. hopefully he will play better vs mana
On July 03 2013 02:11 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I want to see a game where he does that without lag... I dont see how it would work unless the micro is just COMPLETELY out of this world different.
I'm surprised it failed so badly. TaiLS isn't an amazing player, but most of his builds seem pretty smart. Although I must admit, its been a while since I've seen much of him since I stopped watching the GSTL.
On July 03 2013 02:11 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I want to see a game where he does that without lag... I dont see how it would work unless the micro is just COMPLETELY out of this world different.
I'm surprised it failed so badly. TaiLS isn't an amazing player, but most of his builds seem pretty smart. Although I must admit, its been a while since I've seen much of him since I stopped watching the GSTL.
This build is an extreme coinflip which usually results either in a build order win or a build order loss, you can't look smart with it if it fails.
On July 03 2013 02:15 Waxangel wrote: seems unlikely since MMA goes gas opens a lot in TvP
He does CC first from time to time. The other very common build which would be in trouble against 8 gate would be Reaper reactor expand with a late scout or an EB block without scouting. The 2 first Marines appear at ~4'47, by which time Protoss would already be there for quite some time.
On July 03 2013 02:16 KristofferAG wrote: Looks like someone tried to update OP and messed up on the spoilerfree :/
I wish there was a tool that would assist in creating WCS groupstage LR threads!
Mods could edit in theory, but I don't think they would for something so minimal. Co-posting would be... interesting I think. Really limited applicability.
I hope that was misplay from LAG, that was horrible micro/decision making from TLO. That was like diamond level drone response to 2rax. Please TLO! 2-1 gogo!
Why gg? he had spine almost completed? oh 6 drones i didnt see that, thought he had like 10+ Still think he could fight though, the bunker was basicly death with the spine almost done and he could have just droned again with 2 hatches.
This is just bejond stupid. I have no words how fucking bad this was. Limits him to 3 bases that are all soon mined out? YES, NO I BETTER FUCKING CHARGE ALL MY SHIT INTO A MINEFIELD SO MY MUTAS CAN GO 1on1 WITH THE MARINES
On July 03 2013 02:44 AgentW wrote: TLO needs to avoid a major engagement until his upgrades hit, I think. Anyone with more expertise on Zerg agree?
That's what he's doing.. Harrassing with his mutalisks while defending at home with his ultras.
Turns out he just couldn't get a big enough army up. Had he been able to max, he probably would have been in decent shape with so much money coming in. Good play by MMA.
On July 03 2013 00:56 Dwayn wrote: MMA is the weakest player in this group imo, would be surprised if he makes it out. Gonna go with TLO and mana.
On July 03 2013 01:00 Ph4ZeD wrote: Agree, very surprised that TL has rated him as favourite to get out of this group. Other than the fact he's playing in Europe, he's a washed up player who won't win another championship.
On July 03 2013 01:00 Ph4ZeD wrote: Agree, very surprised that TL has rated him as favourite to get out of this group. Other than the fact he's playing in Europe, he's a washed up player who won't win another championship.
Hello?
Posts like these are the worst posts in every single LR thread, please stop doing it, it's dumb.
On July 03 2013 00:56 Dwayn wrote: MMA is the weakest player in this group imo, would be surprised if he makes it out. Gonna go with TLO and mana.
On July 03 2013 01:00 Ph4ZeD wrote: Agree, very surprised that TL has rated him as favourite to get out of this group. Other than the fact he's playing in Europe, he's a washed up player who won't win another championship.
Hello?
Posts like these are the worst posts in every single LR thread, please stop doing it, it's dumb.
According to kag i should agree with him. Seriously though, stop.
On July 03 2013 02:46 BlackCompany wrote: This is just bejond stupid. I have no words how fucking bad this was. Limits him to 3 bases that are all soon mined out? YES, NO I BETTER FUCKING CHARGE ALL MY SHIT INTO A MINEFIELD SO MY MUTAS CAN GO 1on1 WITH THE MARINES
That plan is really brilliant
Zergs aren't used to split up their armies, can't blame them.
Haha I do believe MMA himself didn't think it would have gone this well bit sad that TLO didn't quite make it happen then but happy to see MMA playing well.
On July 03 2013 00:56 Dwayn wrote: MMA is the weakest player in this group imo, would be surprised if he makes it out. Gonna go with TLO and mana.
On July 03 2013 01:00 Ph4ZeD wrote: Agree, very surprised that TL has rated him as favourite to get out of this group. Other than the fact he's playing in Europe, he's a washed up player who won't win another championship.
Hello?
Posts like these are the worst posts in every single LR thread, please stop doing it, it's dumb.
According to kag i should agree with him. Seriously though, stop.
It just bothers me when casters adopt this depressed, pained tone when a foreigner is getting beat down.
Pretty good job by Kaelaris, though.
Your username is appropriate with this post.
I agree, Apollo is letting his biased opinion of who he wants to win get the best of him.
I agree that Apollo is rather biased at times, but I don't think there was much to get excited about for MMA vs TLO in the second game. Just one man's opinion though.
Wow I like TLO, Apollo, and Kalearis, but they WAAAAAYYYYY overhyped TLO this game..... MMA crushed so many of his expos, kept his macro up, and took nice engagements, only a few small engages were cost-inefficient for the Terran....
A couple ultras and a decent size muta flock alone just won't cut it, need enough support with ling/banes, or infestors to lock down the bio, so I really don't think TLO was "one good fight" away from taking it, he was struggling to just stay alive after MMA's nice drops.
Also, about their comments in the early game about how "revolutionary" it was for TLO to stick with mass muta/ling/bane over going hive and how MMA shouldn't push out against it....we saw plenty of this in WoL, even if the zerg doesn't get fast hive units, Terran STILL needs to keep pressure up or he'll get overwhelmed by zerg's economy (instead of getting overwhelmed by his tech if the zerg rushes hive - broods in WoL, ultras in HotS), so it was hardly a mistake for MMA to keep pushing and dropping instead of macro'ing up - in this very game we saw that he was able to break TLO's economy Lair play. All this is imo, of course, not a pro or caster myself obv.
On July 03 2013 00:56 Dwayn wrote: MMA is the weakest player in this group imo, would be surprised if he makes it out. Gonna go with TLO and mana.
Agree, very surprised that TL has rated him as favourite to get out of this group. Other than the fact he's playing in Europe, he's a washed up player who won't win another championship.
On July 03 2013 00:56 Dwayn wrote: MMA is the weakest player in this group imo, would be surprised if he makes it out. Gonna go with TLO and mana.
On July 03 2013 01:00 Ph4ZeD wrote: Agree, very surprised that TL has rated him as favourite to get out of this group. Other than the fact he's playing in Europe, he's a washed up player who won't win another championship.
Hello?
Posts like these are the worst posts in every single LR thread, please stop doing it, it's dumb.
According to kag i should agree with him. Seriously though, stop.
You weren't supposed to say I told you to do it
Busted? I don't know though, I find posts like that kind of funny, there are worse things in LRs. I might just be easily amused.
It just bothers me when casters adopt this depressed, pained tone when a foreigner is getting beat down.
Pretty good job by Kaelaris, though.
Your username is appropriate with this post.
I agree, Apollo is letting his biased opinion of who he wants to win get the best of him.
I agree that Apollo is rather biased at times, but I don't think there was much to get excited about for MMA vs TLO in the second game. Just one man's opinion though.
It was just a bad engagement. Hard to get excited about play when 1 player suicides his units into gg.
I think this has little to do with foreigner/korean bias, Apollo and TLO are insanely good friends, and you have to be on a really insane level of professional casting to not let that affect you.
On July 03 2013 00:56 Dwayn wrote: MMA is the weakest player in this group imo, would be surprised if he makes it out. Gonna go with TLO and mana.
Agree, very surprised that TL has rated him as favourite to get out of this group. Other than the fact he's playing in Europe, he's a washed up player who won't win another championship.
Yea right...
You can't expect people that have no clue about starcraft2, predict what is going to happen
Ironically I think having so many bases hurt TLO. He was too stretched to defend them all. I also thought he could have attacked MMA's main base more with his big muta flock. MMA was pushing out aggressively with his army, TLO being more aggressive with his mutas could have forced MMA back a little. Also burrowing banelings in the middle of the map, would have forced MMA to do scans, which he could ill afford. As MMA's army was mainly marines, burrowed banelings would be something MMA could not afford to walk over.
On July 03 2013 02:47 styLesdavis wrote: Why take that fight TLO? MMA was still on three bases. He just needed to defend well....
As a zerg player, there's still this pressure. especially being so spread out with your expansions. But I suppose he could've and should've just macroed up the army. Still, he probably felt behind. He really had no idea if there might might be a ninja expand. Plus couldn't he just float a CC to another expand?
On July 03 2013 02:46 BlackCompany wrote: This is just bejond stupid. I have no words how fucking bad this was. Limits him to 3 bases that are all soon mined out? YES, NO I BETTER FUCKING CHARGE ALL MY SHIT INTO A MINEFIELD SO MY MUTAS CAN GO 1on1 WITH THE MARINES
That plan is really brilliant
Zergs aren't used to split up their armies, can't blame them.
Well TLO proved the opposite in the 2nd game vs Mana :p but yeah, there would be arround 100 ways to engage better..
On July 03 2013 00:56 Dwayn wrote: MMA is the weakest player in this group imo, would be surprised if he makes it out. Gonna go with TLO and mana.
On July 03 2013 01:00 Ph4ZeD wrote: Agree, very surprised that TL has rated him as favourite to get out of this group. Other than the fact he's playing in Europe, he's a washed up player who won't win another championship.
Hello?
Posts like these are the worst posts in every single LR thread, please stop doing it, it's dumb.
According to kag i should agree with him. Seriously though, stop.
You weren't supposed to say I told you to do it
Busted? I don't know though, I find posts like that kind of funny, there are worse things in LRs. I might just be easily amused.
Nah, it barely ranks below pictures of scat porn. I hate smug people.
The casters did seem to be saying some odd things at the end there. Was it just my imagination or did Kaelaris question whether MMA had enough anti-air to deal with the mutas when his army consisted of about 50 marines and a ton of widow mines...?
On July 03 2013 02:46 BlackCompany wrote: This is just bejond stupid. I have no words how fucking bad this was. Limits him to 3 bases that are all soon mined out? YES, NO I BETTER FUCKING CHARGE ALL MY SHIT INTO A MINEFIELD SO MY MUTAS CAN GO 1on1 WITH THE MARINES
That plan is really brilliant
Zergs aren't used to split up their armies, can't blame them.
On July 03 2013 02:56 Whatson wrote: There's a reason you don't see extended muta ling bling play in the late-game anymore, once Terran gets 3/3 you need ultras+infestors
Good point. Infestors with banelings against all those marines! Ouch!
On July 03 2013 02:46 BlackCompany wrote: This is just bejond stupid. I have no words how fucking bad this was. Limits him to 3 bases that are all soon mined out? YES, NO I BETTER FUCKING CHARGE ALL MY SHIT INTO A MINEFIELD SO MY MUTAS CAN GO 1on1 WITH THE MARINES
That plan is really brilliant
Zergs aren't used to split up their armies, can't blame them.
On July 03 2013 02:46 BlackCompany wrote: This is just bejond stupid. I have no words how fucking bad this was. Limits him to 3 bases that are all soon mined out? YES, NO I BETTER FUCKING CHARGE ALL MY SHIT INTO A MINEFIELD SO MY MUTAS CAN GO 1on1 WITH THE MARINES
That plan is really brilliant
Zergs aren't used to split up their armies, can't blame them.
On July 03 2013 02:46 BlackCompany wrote: This is just bejond stupid. I have no words how fucking bad this was. Limits him to 3 bases that are all soon mined out? YES, NO I BETTER FUCKING CHARGE ALL MY SHIT INTO A MINEFIELD SO MY MUTAS CAN GO 1on1 WITH THE MARINES
That plan is really brilliant
Zergs aren't used to split up their armies, can't blame them.
On July 03 2013 02:57 RookUK wrote: The casters did seem to be saying some odd things at the end there. Was it just my imagination or did Kaelaris question whether MMA had enough anti-air to deal with the mutas when his army consisted of about 50 marines and a ton of widow mines...?
Half the marines were off-screen, there were a good number of banelings and... he was pretty excited for TLO I guess
On July 03 2013 02:46 BlackCompany wrote: This is just bejond stupid. I have no words how fucking bad this was. Limits him to 3 bases that are all soon mined out? YES, NO I BETTER FUCKING CHARGE ALL MY SHIT INTO A MINEFIELD SO MY MUTAS CAN GO 1on1 WITH THE MARINES
That plan is really brilliant
Zergs aren't used to split up their armies, can't blame them.
Have you watched TLO's roach hydra before?
He was making a joke. Being sarcastic.
I think.
Tell us all how you really feel cag.
I'm actually pretty good today, thanks for asking.
Idk guys, when Tails streamed he looked perfectly capable of playing decent 1v1 (without going 8 gate, proxy stargate and DTs every game). Maybe he just feels he doesn't stand a chance with lag?
On July 03 2013 03:01 sudete wrote: Idk guys, when Tails streamed he looked perfectly capable of playing decent 1v1 (without going 8 gate, proxy stargate and DTs every game). Maybe he just feels he doesn't stand a chance with lag?
Ye he waited another minute or two and went immortal sentry or blink all in !
On July 03 2013 00:56 Dwayn wrote: MMA is the weakest player in this group imo, would be surprised if he makes it out. Gonna go with TLO and mana.
Agree, very surprised that TL has rated him as favourite to get out of this group. Other than the fact he's playing in Europe, he's a washed up player who won't win another championship.
Yea right...
Yeah because he won two bo3s, one against a terribad player, that obviously means he's headed for the title.
On July 03 2013 03:01 sudete wrote: Idk guys, when Tails streamed he looked perfectly capable of playing decent 1v1 (without going 8 gate, proxy stargate and DTs every game). Maybe he just feels he doesn't stand a chance with lag?
Ye he waited another minute or two and went immortal sentry or blink all in !
True, but at least then his games lasted more than 7 minutes heh
On July 03 2013 00:56 Dwayn wrote: MMA is the weakest player in this group imo, would be surprised if he makes it out. Gonna go with TLO and mana.
Agree, very surprised that TL has rated him as favourite to get out of this group. Other than the fact he's playing in Europe, he's a washed up player who won't win another championship.
Yea right...
Yeah because he won two bo3s, one against a terribad player, that obviously means he's headed for the title.
You said he was not the favorite in the group and the first guy said he was the weakest in the group. That's a bit of a lower standard.
I woulda just recalled, dealth with nexus, and tried to play macro, hold up with sentry + planetary nexus...still way behind but oh well...I'm just a master scrub
On July 03 2013 03:23 garbanzo wrote: Damn it TLO, why didn't you win against MMA so I wouldn't have to worry about you in this deciding match. You're so damn selfish!
There is no reason to worry about TLO in a group stage.
On July 03 2013 03:23 garbanzo wrote: Damn it TLO, why didn't you win against MMA so I wouldn't have to worry about you in this deciding match. You're so damn selfish!
On July 03 2013 03:23 garbanzo wrote: Damn it TLO, why didn't you win against MMA so I wouldn't have to worry about you in this deciding match. You're so damn selfish!
There is no reason to worry about TLO in a group stage.
Still worried =/ It is mana after all. Quite dangerous
On July 03 2013 03:23 garbanzo wrote: Damn it TLO, why didn't you win against MMA so I wouldn't have to worry about you in this deciding match. You're so damn selfish!
There is no reason to worry about TLO in a group stage.
Not sure I've been all that comfortable with TLO's new form. It still seems like a dream that could get shattered at any moment. So I'm still worried.
On July 03 2013 03:28 stuchiu wrote: Mana do one of these: Soul Train. Soul Plane. Triple double. Huk YOLO. Inca Special.
I feel like I'm at a cocktail bar. xD
Inca special sounds pretty tasty. But I have no idea what a "Soul Plane" is.
Soul Plane is gate into fast expand into fast +1 for air and just mass void rays. From there, there is either the sOs twist or the Alicia twist. sOs you make and hide 4 and bum rush his main with MSC. Alicia's you make 10 and kill everything.
On July 03 2013 03:28 stuchiu wrote: Mana do one of these: Soul Train. Soul Plane. Triple double. Huk YOLO. Inca Special.
I feel like I'm at a cocktail bar. xD
Inca special sounds pretty tasty. But I have no idea what a "Soul Plane" is.
Soul Plane is gate into fast expand into fast +1 for air and just mass void rays. From there, there is either the sOs twist or the Alicia twist. sOs you make and hide 4 and bum rush his main with MSC. Alicia's you make 10 and kill everything.
On July 03 2013 03:28 stuchiu wrote: Mana do one of these: Soul Train. Soul Plane. Triple double. Huk YOLO. Inca Special.
I feel like I'm at a cocktail bar. xD
Inca special sounds pretty tasty. But I have no idea what a "Soul Plane" is.
Soul Plane is gate into fast expand into fast +1 for air and just mass void rays. From there, there is either the sOs twist or the Alicia twist. sOs you make and hide 4 and bum rush his main with MSC. Alicia's you make 10 and kill everything.
On July 03 2013 03:28 stuchiu wrote: Mana do one of these: Soul Train. Soul Plane. Triple double. Huk YOLO. Inca Special.
I feel like I'm at a cocktail bar. xD
Inca special sounds pretty tasty. But I have no idea what a "Soul Plane" is.
Soul Plane is gate into fast expand into fast +1 for air and just mass void rays. From there, there is either the sOs twist or the Alicia twist. sOs you make and hide 4 and bum rush his main with MSC. Alicia's you make 10 and kill everything.
On July 03 2013 03:28 stuchiu wrote: Mana do one of these: Soul Train. Soul Plane. Triple double. Huk YOLO. Inca Special.
I feel like I'm at a cocktail bar. xD
Inca special sounds pretty tasty. But I have no idea what a "Soul Plane" is.
Soul Plane is gate into fast expand into fast +1 for air and just mass void rays. From there, there is either the sOs twist or the Alicia twist. sOs you make and hide 4 and bum rush his main with MSC. Alicia's you make 10 and kill everything.
On July 03 2013 03:28 stuchiu wrote: Mana do one of these: Soul Train. Soul Plane. Triple double. Huk YOLO. Inca Special.
I feel like I'm at a cocktail bar. xD
Inca special sounds pretty tasty. But I have no idea what a "Soul Plane" is.
Soul Plane is gate into fast expand into fast +1 for air and just mass void rays. From there, there is either the sOs twist or the Alicia twist. sOs you make and hide 4 and bum rush his main with MSC. Alicia's you make 10 and kill everything.
On July 03 2013 03:37 Sated wrote: Wow, do people want to TLO circlejerk more?
Mana fucked that up massively, it had very little to do with TLO's play. The moment he got Force Fielded out of his main, the game should've been over, but Mana floated so many resources and had such badly timed warp-ins...
On July 03 2013 03:35 ref4 wrote: was Mana always this bad in PvZ?
european toss is a bit helpless against eu zerg in general right now. But ugh TLO showing how to block that with a spore, I did that since WoL release from time to time and it worked almost always damn you TLO.
On July 03 2013 03:37 Sated wrote: Wow, do people want to TLO circlejerk more?
Mana fucked that up massively, it had very little to do with TLO's play. The moment that TLO got FF'd out of his main, the game should've been over, but Mana floated so many resources and had such badly timed warp-ins...
On July 03 2013 03:37 Sated wrote: Wow, do people want to TLO circlejerk more?
Mana fucked that up massively, it had very little to do with TLO's play. The moment that TLO got FF'd out of his main, the game should've been over, but Mana floated so many resources and had such badly timed warp-ins...
MaNa had to constantly readjust his warp prism because TLO was focusing on it. He was also having to micro against the drones. MaNa fucked that up because TLO made the correct choices. If MaNa focused on warping and lost his sentries or warp prism he would still have died.
On July 03 2013 03:35 ref4 wrote: was Mana always this bad in PvZ?
european toss is a bit helpless against eu zerg in general right now. But ugh TLO showing how to block that with a spore, I did that since WoL release from time to time and it worked almost always damn you TLO.
why is that? I mean I don't think there is that much of a skill difference between European and Korean protosses since Naniwa and Mana can easily beat Korean toss. But the Koreans don't have that hard of a time vs. Zergs!
i swear TLO always starts the next upgrade the second the current one is finished. i'm pretty sure Creator is the only player with crisper upgrade timings i've ever seen.
On July 03 2013 03:37 Sated wrote: Wow, do people want to TLO circlejerk more?
Mana fucked that up massively, it had very little to do with TLO's play. The moment that TLO got FF'd out of his main, the game should've been over, but Mana floated so many resources and had such badly timed warp-ins...
MaNa had to constantly readjust his warp prism because TLO was focusing on it. He was also having to micro against the drones. MaNa fucked that up because TLO made the correct choices. If MaNa focused on warping and lost his sentries or warp prism he would still have died.
Seriously haha.
TLO held that as good as he could and he won it becuase of that. Mana didn't play perfectly because TLO forced him into the poor decisions.
On July 03 2013 03:46 robson1 wrote: Mouz_Mana vs. Liquid_Tlo Game 2 Tlo is 1 game up Map: Whirlwind Tlo spawning in the left position Mana spawning in the bottom right position
Tlo goes for a 14 pool, 16hatch, Mana goes nexus first, only slight delay on hatchery. Forge for Mana
2 zerglings get in for TLO, he gets a full scout cybercore slightly delayed because of that, cuz Mana build a zealot first. 2 gases for mana lings killed some workers (4 in total) 3rd base for TLO, Mana goes for stargate again.
On July 03 2013 03:37 Sated wrote: Wow, do people want to TLO circlejerk more?
Mana fucked that up massively, it had very little to do with TLO's play. The moment that TLO got FF'd out of his main, the game should've been over, but Mana floated so many resources and had such badly timed warp-ins...
MaNa had to constantly readjust his warp prism because TLO was focusing on it. He was also having to micro against the drones. MaNa fucked that up because TLO made the correct choices. If MaNa focused on warping and lost his sentries or warp prism he would still have died.
TLO was only able to damage the Warp Prism because Mana's initial warp-in was far weaker than it should've been (he misaligned his additional Gateways finishing with his Warp Prism being revealed) and because Mana placed the Warp Prism in a bad position initially. You could also say that Mana didn't micro his units well enough once in TLO's base, but that was a far lesser problem than not having enough units in the first place, and nothing TLO did influenced Mana's build being bad/his initial WP placement being bad.
In any case, holding off a bad attack isn't the kind of play that requires a circlejerk.
fuck, already killed 5 probes. damn TLO is playing so SHARP
On July 03 2013 03:46 robson1 wrote: Mouz_Mana vs. Liquid_Tlo Game 2 Tlo is 1 game up Map: Whirlwind Tlo spawning in the left position Mana spawning in the bottom right position
Tlo goes for a 14 pool, 16hatch, Mana goes nexus first, only slight delay on hatchery. Forge for Mana
2 zerglings get in for TLO, he gets a full scout cybercore slightly delayed because of that, cuz Mana build a zealot first. 2 gases for mana lings killed some workers (4 in total) 3rd base for TLO, Mana goes for stargate again.
Phoenix production by mana, ling speed started just now for TLO, also overlord speed Tlo gets preamptive spore crawlers for phoenix defense. meele upgrades for TLO, also banelings nest, and a lot of lings. Mana adds 3 gates and a robo, while harassing with his phoenix. 5 phoenix got 8 drones so far.
On July 03 2013 03:46 robson1 wrote: Mouz_Mana vs. Liquid_Tlo Game 2 Tlo is 1 game up Map: Whirlwind Tlo spawning in the left position Mana spawning in the bottom right position
Tlo goes for a 14 pool, 16hatch, Mana goes nexus first, only slight delay on hatchery. Forge for Mana
2 zerglings get in for TLO, he gets a full scout cybercore slightly delayed because of that, cuz Mana build a zealot first. 2 gases for mana lings killed some workers (4 in total) 3rd base for TLO, Mana goes for stargate again.
Phoenix production by mana, ling speed started just now for TLO, also overlord speed Tlo gets preamptive spore crawlers for phoenix defense. meele upgrades for TLO, also banelings nest, and a lot of lings. Mana adds 3 gates and a robo, while harassing with his phoenix. 5 phoenix got 8 drones so far.
Tlo getting burrow. Phoenix continue harass Mana still on 2 base, getting a collosi den. lings catch the toss army on the map but mana trades well because he forcefields well. Mana takes 3rd base, close to TLO, not opting to expand away. Lings pressure the front of the natural, mana tries to come in with his force from behind, but lings get a good surround and a lot of sentrys. Tlo takes 4th base. Tlo goes into infestation pit.
On July 03 2013 03:46 robson1 wrote: Mouz_Mana vs. Liquid_Tlo Game 2 Tlo is 1 game up Map: Whirlwind Tlo spawning in the left position Mana spawning in the bottom right position
Tlo goes for a 14 pool, 16hatch, Mana goes nexus first, only slight delay on hatchery. Forge for Mana
2 zerglings get in for TLO, he gets a full scout cybercore slightly delayed because of that, cuz Mana build a zealot first. 2 gases for mana lings killed some workers (4 in total) 3rd base for TLO, Mana goes for stargate again.
Phoenix production by mana, ling speed started just now for TLO, also overlord speed Tlo gets preamptive spore crawlers for phoenix defense. meele upgrades for TLO, also banelings nest, and a lot of lings. Mana adds 3 gates and a robo, while harassing with his phoenix. 5 phoenix got 8 drones so far.
Tlo getting burrow. Phoenix continue harass Mana still on 2 base, getting a collosi den. lings catch the toss army on the map but mana trades well because he forcefields well. Mana takes 3rd base, close to TLO, not opting to expand away. Lings pressure the front of the natural, mana tries to come in with his force from behind, but lings get a good surround and a lot of sentrys. Tlo takes 4th base. Tlo goes into infestation pit.
2 collosi are out for mana. Tlo skips spire and goes for ultralisk tech after hive Some inconsequential runbys by Tlo, mana defends his third base easily Ultralisk cavern started. Supplys are dead even at 150 Mana has got a warp prism and goes for drop in mainbase. TLO is opting for a drop with lings Zealots in the main of TLO kill ultralisk cavern andt Manas army gets TLOs 4th base Dropped Lings dont get much done in Manas main base.
On July 03 2013 03:46 robson1 wrote: Mouz_Mana vs. Liquid_Tlo Game 2 Tlo is 1 game up Map: Whirlwind Tlo spawning in the left position Mana spawning in the bottom right position
Tlo goes for a 14 pool, 16hatch, Mana goes nexus first, only slight delay on hatchery. Forge for Mana
2 zerglings get in for TLO, he gets a full scout cybercore slightly delayed because of that, cuz Mana build a zealot first. 2 gases for mana lings killed some workers (4 in total) 3rd base for TLO, Mana goes for stargate again.
Phoenix production by mana, ling speed started just now for TLO, also overlord speed Tlo gets preamptive spore crawlers for phoenix defense. meele upgrades for TLO, also banelings nest, and a lot of lings. Mana adds 3 gates and a robo, while harassing with his phoenix. 5 phoenix got 8 drones so far.
Tlo getting burrow. Phoenix continue harass Mana still on 2 base, getting a collosi den. lings catch the toss army on the map but mana trades well because he forcefields well. Mana takes 3rd base, close to TLO, not opting to expand away. Lings pressure the front of the natural, mana tries to come in with his force from behind, but lings get a good surround and a lot of sentrys. Tlo takes 4th base. Tlo goes into infestation pit.
2 collosi are out for mana. Tlo skips spire and goes for ultralisk tech after hive Some inconsequential runbys by Tlo, mana defends his third base easily Ultralisk cavern started. Supplys are dead even at 150 Mana has got a warp prism and goes for drop in mainbase. TLO is opting for a drop with lings Zealots in the main of TLO kill ultralisk cavern andt Manas army gets TLOs 4th base Dropped Lings dont get much done in Manas main base.
Tlo got 2 other bases in the north DT tech for Mana Tlo harasses the third base with lings, but Manas army is to strong for TLO to engage. Lings snipe templar archives while storm is researching. Mana is running around on the map Mana warps in Zealots in the main again he also goes for one of the bases in the north Tlos army moves up and snipes Mothership core. Manas army is trapped. He got the Base, but he cannot leave. Tlos army retreats cuz the position for toss army is strong. Zealots wreak the main base of tlo. Tlo looses another base. TLo goes for the third from mana, but mana has DT tech ready and warps in dts. Tlo GGs Mana wins. Score is tied.
On July 03 2013 03:59 garbanzo wrote: I don't know why TLO didn't fight that army when it was trapped. Counterattacking was such a poor choice in that position...
Ultralisks in chokes trade really inefficently, you always want to be in the open.
On July 03 2013 03:59 garbanzo wrote: I don't know why TLO didn't fight that army when it was trapped. Counterattacking was such a poor choice in that position...
On July 03 2013 03:59 garbanzo wrote: I don't know why TLO didn't fight that army when it was trapped. Counterattacking was such a poor choice in that position...
Ultralisks in chokes trade really inefficently, you always want to be in the open.
Yeah, but he could have just waited below the ramp in the open. It's not like the army was going anywhere.
On July 03 2013 04:00 ptbl wrote: TLO took out the mothership. Did he not notice that he did so? I wonder why he didn't attack Mana's army right there instead of counter attacking.
he had to fight on the ramp. no idea if attacking would have been better. his banemine idea was cool
On July 03 2013 04:02 MosART wrote: Bad decision not to kill Mana's army up northwest corner when the MC died.
but TLO´s economy was shattered. He couldnt afford a new army. He was all-in no matter what choice he made so he went for the base trade. I think he would have lost either way.
On July 03 2013 04:03 robson1 wrote: Final map Tlo - Mana 1:1 Map: Neo planet Tlo spawns in the Top right position Mana spawns in the bottom left position
Mana goes for the usual probe scout, pylon on the low ground 14 pool for tlo, nexus first by mana. Very long probe block. Finally hatch for tlo Forge for Mana, then Gateway. 4:20 3rd base for TLO(the bottom third, not the highground). Still no gas taken by the zerg. Shawn is laggin.
Fuck blizzard, why on earth in 100M game observer's connection affects players? Why can't it buffer commands and send them to observer when he stops lagging, like it is in most games.
New brilliant strategy idea: Proxy Cybercore. Make your enemy believe your going mineral only and is either cannoning, only building Zealots or building Nexus after Nexus. So good.
On July 03 2013 04:03 robson1 wrote: Final map Tlo - Mana 1:1 Map: Neo planet Tlo spawns in the Top right position Mana spawns in the bottom left position
Mana goes for the usual probe scout, pylon on the low ground 14 pool for tlo, nexus first by mana. Very long probe block. Finally hatch for tlo Forge for Mana, then Gateway. 4:20 3rd base for TLO(the bottom third, not the highground). Still no gas taken by the zerg. Shawn is laggin.
Stargate tech by mana before warpgate research. 2 gases by TLO MSC started for Mana. Lair tech at 7:00 for TLO. TLo scouts the Stargate. Phoenix are out on the map. Tlo gets 1 evo chamber and zergling speed. Mana 3 gates and +1 attack
On July 03 2013 04:09 laegoose wrote: Fuck blizzard, why on earth in 100M game observer's connection affects players? Why can't it buffer commands and send them to observer when he stops lagging, like it is in most games.
On July 03 2013 04:08 Waise wrote: i have no idea what they were talking about with the shawn/shaun/sean thing
Well, if you didnt know to pronounce 'Sean' like 'Shawn', you would never pronounce it like that would you? As a non-native speaker I thought it was pronounced like it's written for a long time (like in the sea plus n).
On July 03 2013 04:03 robson1 wrote: Final map Tlo - Mana 1:1 Map: Neo planet Tlo spawns in the Top right position Mana spawns in the bottom left position
Mana goes for the usual probe scout, pylon on the low ground 14 pool for tlo, nexus first by mana. Very long probe block. Finally hatch for tlo Forge for Mana, then Gateway. 4:20 3rd base for TLO(the bottom third, not the highground). Still no gas taken by the zerg. Shawn is laggin.
Stargate tech by mana before warpgate research. 2 gases by TLO MSC started for Mana. Lair tech at 7:00 for TLO. TLo scouts the Stargate. Phoenix are out on the map. Tlo gets 1 evo chamber and zergling speed. Mana 3 gates and +1 attack
Tlo gets spore crawlers and missile attack this time Spire going down for TLO. Mana cuts probes and goes for pressure with phoenix and zealots at the third. Mana has robo follow up at home though. TLo is coming down with hydras to the third. Mana is doing decent damage. He got a queen, Base under attack. Mana is trading very cost efficient. Still a lot of Zealots at the third. Hatchery falls.
On July 03 2013 04:09 laegoose wrote: Fuck blizzard, why on earth in 100M game observer's connection affects players? Why can't it buffer commands and send them to observer when he stops lagging, like it is in most games.
because they didn't perfectly predict all potential problems, same as the answer to 99.999% of all complaints about esports tournament execution
i think we can all calm down a little bit about forgivable mistakes
On July 03 2013 04:08 Waise wrote: i have no idea what they were talking about with the shawn/shaun/sean thing
Well, if you didnt know to pronounce 'Sean' like 'Shawn', you would never pronounce it like that would you? As a non-native speaker I thought it was pronounced like it's written for a long time (like in the sea plus n).
yeah but sean isn't an uncommon name so i figured most people learned how to say it in grade school... lots of words don't look how they sound
TLO too greddy like always. I just wish he'd finally up to THAT level. He has the mechanics, he has the micro and the macro. Just play standard if you want to go for a macro game. Stop the bullshit like 80 drones into spire/hydra den.
On July 03 2013 04:03 robson1 wrote: Final map Tlo - Mana 1:1 Map: Neo planet Tlo spawns in the Top right position Mana spawns in the bottom left position
Mana goes for the usual probe scout, pylon on the low ground 14 pool for tlo, nexus first by mana. Very long probe block. Finally hatch for tlo Forge for Mana, then Gateway. 4:20 3rd base for TLO(the bottom third, not the highground). Still no gas taken by the zerg. Shawn is laggin.
Stargate tech by mana before warpgate research. 2 gases by TLO MSC started for Mana. Lair tech at 7:00 for TLO. TLo scouts the Stargate. Phoenix are out on the map. Tlo gets 1 evo chamber and zergling speed. Mana 3 gates and +1 attack
Tlo gets spore crawlers and missile attack this time Spire going down for TLO. Mana cuts probes and goes for pressure with phoenix and zealots at the third. Mana has robo follow up at home though. TLo is coming down with hydras to the third. Mana is doing decent damage. He got a queen, Base under attack. Mana is trading very cost efficient. Still a lot of Zealots at the third. Hatchery falls.
Mana is getting thermal lance and collosi at home, not taking a third base Tlo is 20 supply down, tries to go for mutas and retaking the third at the same time Mana has 2 collosi done already, and tlo only a few mutas. Mana is attacking, while some mutas harrass him at home. Mana looses his MSC Manas army is waaay to strong for TLO. He's got no answer for him. Tlos basetrade attempt failed TLO GGs Mana wins, 2:1
On July 03 2013 04:14 Swiipii wrote: TLO too greddy like always. I just wish he'd finally up to THAT level. He has the mechanics, he has the micro and the macro. Just play standard if you want to go for a macro game. Stop the bullshit like 80 drones into spire/hydra den.
On July 03 2013 04:15 Boucot wrote: The less zergs there are, the better it is for Stephano. GG MaNa !
haha, hadn't even thought of it like that. makes me happy, especially cause i'm not a fan of many zerg players in WCS EU anyways, aside from Dima of course.
It's like I've always said, every tournament needs extended series ( I kid, I kid). Congrats to Mana, now you're compelled to train ridiculously hard and make it to at least the RO8.
Think the saddest thing about that is how convicingly TLO beat Mana in the opener, only to lose like that in the decider. Hope he doesn't take to too badly.
On July 03 2013 04:03 robson1 wrote: Final map Tlo - Mana 1:1 Map: Neo planet Tlo spawns in the Top right position Mana spawns in the bottom left position
Mana goes for the usual probe scout, pylon on the low ground 14 pool for tlo, nexus first by mana. Very long probe block. Finally hatch for tlo Forge for Mana, then Gateway. 4:20 3rd base for TLO(the bottom third, not the highground). Still no gas taken by the zerg. Shawn is laggin.
Stargate tech by mana before warpgate research. 2 gases by TLO MSC started for Mana. Lair tech at 7:00 for TLO. TLo scouts the Stargate. Phoenix are out on the map. Tlo gets 1 evo chamber and zergling speed. Mana 3 gates and +1 attack
Tlo gets spore crawlers and missile attack this time Spire going down for TLO. Mana cuts probes and goes for pressure with phoenix and zealots at the third. Mana has robo follow up at home though. TLo is coming down with hydras to the third. Mana is doing decent damage. He got a queen, Base under attack. Mana is trading very cost efficient. Still a lot of Zealots at the third. Hatchery falls.
Mana is getting thermal lance and collosi at home, not taking a third base Tlo is 20 supply down, tries to go for mutas and retaking the third at the same time Mana has 2 collosi done already, and tlo only a few mutas. Mana is attacking, while some mutas harrass him at home. Mana looses his MSC Manas army is waaay to strong for TLO. He's got no answer for him. Tlos basetrade attempt failed TLO GGs Mana wins, 2:1
On July 03 2013 04:03 robson1 wrote: Final map Tlo - Mana 1:1 Map: Neo planet Tlo spawns in the Top right position Mana spawns in the bottom left position
Mana goes for the usual probe scout, pylon on the low ground 14 pool for tlo, nexus first by mana. Very long probe block. Finally hatch for tlo Forge for Mana, then Gateway. 4:20 3rd base for TLO(the bottom third, not the highground). Still no gas taken by the zerg. Shawn is laggin.
Stargate tech by mana before warpgate research. 2 gases by TLO MSC started for Mana. Lair tech at 7:00 for TLO. TLo scouts the Stargate. Phoenix are out on the map. Tlo gets 1 evo chamber and zergling speed. Mana 3 gates and +1 attack
Tlo gets spore crawlers and missile attack this time Spire going down for TLO. Mana cuts probes and goes for pressure with phoenix and zealots at the third. Mana has robo follow up at home though. TLo is coming down with hydras to the third. Mana is doing decent damage. He got a queen, Base under attack. Mana is trading very cost efficient. Still a lot of Zealots at the third. Hatchery falls.
Mana is getting thermal lance and collosi at home, not taking a third base Tlo is 20 supply down, tries to go for mutas and retaking the third at the same time Mana has 2 collosi done already, and tlo only a few mutas. Mana is attacking, while some mutas harrass him at home. Mana looses his MSC Manas army is waaay to strong for TLO. He's got no answer for him. Tlos basetrade attempt failed TLO GGs Mana wins, 2:1
On July 03 2013 04:15 Boucot wrote: The less zergs there are, the better it is for Stephano. GG MaNa !
haha, hadn't even thought of it like that. makes me happy, especially cause i'm not a fan of many zerg players in WCS EU anyways, aside from Dima of course.
Of course, everybody loves DIMAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !
On July 03 2013 04:25 Godwrath wrote: This will be the MMA vs MvP finals. You will see.
A two-Korean WCS EU finals would be disgusting. Unless it was MMA vs. MvP. Then it would be great. I'd prefer Stephano vs MMA tho, you get a player rivalry AND a region rivalry. Don't get me wrong, I love MvP, but hasn't he won enough? :-P
On July 03 2013 04:25 Godwrath wrote: This will be the MMA vs MvP finals. You will see.
A two-Korean WCS EU finals would be disgusting. Unless it was MMA vs. MvP. Then it would be great. I'd prefer Stephano vs MMA tho, you get a player rivalry AND a region rivalry. Don't get me wrong, I love MvP, but hasn't he won enough? :-P
He has never won enough, besides most of it was WoL. He needs to win more.
On July 03 2013 04:25 Godwrath wrote: This will be the MMA vs MvP finals. You will see.
A two-Korean WCS EU finals would be disgusting. Unless it was MMA vs. MvP. Then it would be great. I'd prefer Stephano vs MMA tho, you get a player rivalry AND a region rivalry. Don't get me wrong, I love MvP, but hasn't he won enough? :-P
On July 03 2013 04:26 Rassy wrote: Nice intervieuw, mana is such a likeable guy. Am happy he won, bit sad it was tlo who had to loose.
I agree, but it also means that wcs europe gets more competative every season. Maybe sometimes around next year every group will have 4 players that can compete on a very high level. Things are looking good i think.
Also, who would not be happy for a greate guy like mana. He is so "normal" and nice.
On July 03 2013 04:25 Godwrath wrote: This will be the MMA vs MvP finals. You will see.
A two-Korean WCS EU finals would be disgusting. Unless it was MMA vs. MvP. Then it would be great. I'd prefer Stephano vs MMA tho, you get a player rivalry AND a region rivalry. Don't get me wrong, I love MvP, but hasn't he won enough? :-P
actually, i wouldn't mind if Mvp wins every tournament he enters from now till the end of time.
Mana has consistently been a top tier Euro for a long time, where as TLO has been doing well only recently and been average to below average for a long long time.
On July 03 2013 04:25 Godwrath wrote: This will be the MMA vs MvP finals. You will see.
A two-Korean WCS EU finals would be disgusting. Unless it was MMA vs. MvP. Then it would be great. I'd prefer Stephano vs MMA tho, you get a player rivalry AND a region rivalry. Don't get me wrong, I love MvP, but hasn't he won enough? :-P
Hmm, TLO wins 3 out of 5 maps against Mana, but Mana advances.
This kind of situation is easily avoided if tournaments add extended series to this group format (which maps directly to a double elim, 4 person tournament w/o a grand final) . Turn the 2nd place advancement match into a BO7 w/ extended series when rematches occur please.
On July 03 2013 05:28 KissMeRed wrote: Hmm, TLO wins 3 out of 5 maps against Mana, but Mana advances.
This kind of situation is easily avoided if tournaments add extended series to this group format. Turn the 2nd place advancement match into a BO7 w/ extended series when rematches occur please.
On July 03 2013 05:28 KissMeRed wrote: Hmm, TLO wins 3 out of 5 maps against Mana, but Mana advances.
This kind of situation is easily avoided if tournaments add extended series to this group format (which maps directly to a double elim, 4 person tournament w/o a grand final) . Turn the 2nd place advancement match into a BO7 w/ extended series when rematches occur please.
On July 03 2013 04:16 Whatson wrote: LOL so much for TLO What were people calling him after DH? Top 5 foreigners?
Yes, losing 3-2 (in maps) to Mana CLEARLY disproves that notion.
Ain't hyping TLO, though I like him. Especially his playstyle, always innovative and fun. But one should see that he really pumped up after his stay (or because of, rather) in Korea. I'd love to see TLO in Proleague (or even better: GSTL!), I wonder what he could achieve if he's used as a sniper =).
Picking between Mana and TLO to advance was so hard, both are fun and nice players.
Wow, one knockout for TLO and all the haters are already crawling out of the woodworks...at Dreamhack stockholm, only 2 or so weeks ago, Naniwa didn't even make it to the top 32, but that obviously doesn't mean he's suddenly terrible now, as proven by his top 4 showing at MLG. A bad day for TLO, it happens, but he's definitely got what it takes to be among the top few foreigners, he's proven it before, and I'm sure he will again.
On July 03 2013 05:28 KissMeRed wrote: Hmm, TLO wins 3 out of 5 maps against Mana, but Mana advances.
This kind of situation is easily avoided if tournaments add extended series to this group format (which maps directly to a double elim, 4 person tournament w/o a grand final) . Turn the 2nd place advancement match into a BO7 w/ extended series when rematches occur please.
Are you being sarcastic? Extended series has already been discussed. You punish a player for losing a previous match that he has already been punished for. Due to his loss he now has to win the following next two best of threes, compared to just one. Now he won his 2nd bo3 and you want to punish him again for losing his first match, putting him in a disadvantageous position ...? Really.
On July 03 2013 04:16 Whatson wrote: LOL so much for TLO What were people calling him after DH? Top 5 foreigners?
Yes, losing 3-2 (in maps) to Mana CLEARLY disproves that notion.
I agree that his loss to Mana doesn't establish anything bad in particular, but I don't think TLO's ever been seriously considered in the top five foreigners. Top ten mayyybe (and that's still a stretch imo).
I used to like TLO back in the old days when he just switched from Terran to Zerg. I believe it was at a MLG, I remember him playing a game on Scrap Station... the good times. Now adays he just feels so wacky that I cannot even bear myself to watch his games. I am happy he lost... eventhough I don't like Mana either.
On July 03 2013 16:19 Enema wrote: I used to like TLO back in the old days when he just switched from Terran to Zerg. I believe it was at a MLG, I remember him playing a game on Scrap Station... the good times. Now adays he just feels so wacky that I cannot even bear myself to watch his games. I am happy he lost... eventhough I don't like Mana either.
I´m sorry your entitlement to TLO´s play makes you sad. At least you can derive some bitter satisfaction from your negativity, so there is at least something.
On July 03 2013 04:16 Whatson wrote: LOL so much for TLO What were people calling him after DH? Top 5 foreigners?
Yes, losing 3-2 (in maps) to Mana CLEARLY disproves that notion.
I agree that his loss to Mana doesn't establish anything bad in particular, but I don't think TLO's ever been seriously considered in the top five foreigners. Top ten mayyybe (and that's still a stretch imo).
That being said, I like him and I hope that one day he's considered a top player.
... so just name ten foreigners who are seriously better in terms of pure skills and pure results in Hots over the last few months.
I can`t.
Naniwa surely seems better and you can argue that players like Snute, Lucifron and Stephano are still better but right after that there are a bunch of guys who are nearly on the same level.
On July 03 2013 04:16 Whatson wrote: LOL so much for TLO What were people calling him after DH? Top 5 foreigners?
Yes, losing 3-2 (in maps) to Mana CLEARLY disproves that notion.
I agree that his loss to Mana doesn't establish anything bad in particular, but I don't think TLO's ever been seriously considered in the top five foreigners. Top ten mayyybe (and that's still a stretch imo).
That being said, I like him and I hope that one day he's considered a top player.
... so just name ten foreigners who are seriously better in terms of pure skills and pure results in Hots over the last few months.
I can`t.
Naniwa surely seems better and you can argue that players like Snute, Lucifron and Stephano are still better but right after that there are a bunch of guys who are nearly on the same level.
But those are only the two most recent listings- and they're subjective, so feel free to disagree. In terms of accomplishments throughout SC2 history, some of the ones he's currently beating would be way ahead of him.
Of course throughout history there are several foreigners who achieved way more than TLO did. But right now ì can`t really imagine players like Kas, SaSe, Happy or Nerchio are ahead of him. I will just repeat my words. Naniwa seems really strong right now and Stephano, Lucifron and Snute should be ahead of him too (even though Stephano and Lucifron lost their last matches against him). Every other player is debatable.
On July 03 2013 16:19 Enema wrote: I used to like TLO back in the old days when he just switched from Terran to Zerg. I believe it was at a MLG, I remember him playing a game on Scrap Station... the good times. Now adays he just feels so wacky that I cannot even bear myself to watch his games. I am happy he lost... eventhough I don't like Mana either.
His play was rock solid at Dreamhack and HSC. There's nothing wacky about his playstyle.
On July 03 2013 18:38 shell wrote: TLO is a top euro zerg in HotS no doubt about it..
For instance nerchio, vortix, sortoff, slivko etc.. all have worse results then TLO, right now is stephano vs TLO for best euro zerg
I am a total TLO fanboy but you have to notice that Snute is top notch too. Maybe he even is the best european zerg right now since his ZvZ is stellar.
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