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WCS EU: Premier Ro32 - Group C Preview (S2)

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WCS EU: Premier Ro32 - Group C Preview (S2)

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Graphics byshiroiusagi
July 2nd, 2013 07:36 GMT
2013 WCS Europe

WCS Europe Season 2 - Premier League



Ro32: Group C Preview
MaNa, TLO, TAiLS, MMA

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Ro32 Group C Preview

Did you enjoy watching NaNiwa, the European, take on hordes of Koreans at MLG Anaheim? If you did, then we've got a show for you. Two more of Europe's favorite players are in action against Korean invaders, but this time they're doing battle on their home turn of WCS Europe.

Games begin in...

Group C Preview: MaNa, TLO, TAiLS, MMA

by Waxangel

4. (P)MVP.TAiLS

TAiLS, the clever and tomato-headed buildsmith would be a very dangerous opponent if he were playing in a live setting, but playing from Korea makes him the easy pick to get eliminated. It's surprising that he and his MVP teammate Duckdeok (aka finale) even made it to the Premier League in the first place. Both were crushed by the great wall of lag when they tried to make it through the Season One qualifiers, getting painfully knocked out in every single attempt. However, their persistence paid off in the end, and they were able to claw their through the Challenger League qualifiers, and then the Challenger League itself to make it into the Premier League.

The biggest thing TAiLS has going for him is his unpredictability and creativity. He thrived as a sniper for Team MVP back when GSTL was still a best-of-nine competition, always able to bring some kind of cannon rush, dark templar rush, or other well-planned strategy to ensure at least one win for his team. Considering this is one of the biggest opportunity he's had in his career so far, I'd expect him to have slick strategies prepared to use against every single opponent. On the other hand, his standard play isn't particularly notable, which is why he might have fallen out of favor in the new best-of-seven GSTL where players need to be more well-rounded.

In the end, I just don't think even TAiLS' best strats will be enough to overcome the lag. He might have conquered the Challenger level of competition despite the difficulties of playing cross-server, but I don't know if anyone but Mvp can succeed in those conditions at the Premier level.

3: (P)mouz.MaNa

MaNa was one of the twin titans of European Protosses alongside NaNiwa in 2012, but HotS appears to have sapped his power. It's strange that PartinG compared MaNa to Creator just a few months ago, because both players have been affected by HotS in a similar way. They became some of the best players at their races in WoL on the back of solid, by-the-book play, but they've faltered against the other race's new weapons in HotS. Who knew afterburners and medivacs could make two of the best PvT defenses crumble so dramatically? Now, both are stuck looking decidedly middle-tier in their respective regions.

In one of the softer groups, I think that MaNa would have been able to find a way to slip his way through. It's not like his macro game has deteriorated catastrophically, and he has always been good at choosing the right time to all-in and get an easy win. But against an MMA playing from Europe and TLO looking in the best form he's ever been, MaNa will be hard pressed to get through until he breaks out of his doldrums.

2. (Z)Liquid`TLO

TLO's steady progress really is something to behold. Whether you look at his Aligulac.com graph or Liquipedia results page, you can see the same thing: slow but consistent upward progress. If this rate of improvement was sustainable indefinitely, then TLO could be winning every single StarCraft II tournament by 2015. Of course, everyone has to max-out somewhere, but TLO has shown no signs of stopping yet, achieving a career best top-three finish at HomeStory Cup 7, where he defeated players like MC, viOLet, and HyuN. With that kind of result in hand, a group that would have looked forbiddingly difficult for TLO last season now looks surprisingly passable.

MMA is a strong player, and particularly good at TvZ at that, but if he's playing from Korea then TLO should be in good shape. MaNa, as stated before, just isn't that scary an opponent right now (*add all the warning clauses about MaNa having a knack for making big tournament runs out of nowhere). As for TAiLS, as long as TLO doesn't get completely blindsided by some genius builds, then he should be able to beat a Korean who is playing cross-server. All in all, advancement seems quite likely for the German.

1. (T)Acer.MMA

For the second straight season, MMA will be making the long trip to Europe in order to play the online rounds of the Premier League. Last time, it paid off for MMA as he was able to defeat MaNa and SortOf to make it through to the Ro16. Unfortunately, things didn't go too well in the live rounds, as Strelok and ForGG combined to send MMA out in last place.

MMA might not be the player he was in his prime, but HotS has given him enough strength back to be the favorite in this group. The TvT that troubled him in the previous Ro16 won't be a problem as there are no Terran opponents for now. His TvP, while never great, has always been fairly decent. It should be enough to defeat TAiLS playing in Korea, and a MaNa who is just not the rock-solid PvT player he used to be. The last time they played in the Ro32, MMA steamrolled MaNa without much trouble in macro games, and he's likely to do the same if they meet again.

As for the TvZ against TLO, that's the one match-up where MMA seems to have recovered most of his old form. Brood lord-infestor crippled him during the later stages of WoL, but marine-medivac-annihilation has returned for Heart of the Swarm. Is it any surprise that Soulkey gave MMA a ton of kudos for advising him for his Code S final against INnoVation? There's no Terran player in the world who understands the mindset of a relentless TvZ attacker like MMA. That was his style long before it belonged to anyone else. When you add all the things up, it's hard to see MMA failing to make it out of this group.

Predictions

TLO > MaNa
MMA > TAiLS
MMA > TLO
MaNa > TAiLS
TLO > MaNa

MMA and TLO advance.

Writers: Waxangel
Graphics: shiroiusagi
Banner photo: ESL
Editor: Waxangel.
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choo choo
Profile Joined May 2013
United States15 Posts
July 02 2013 07:52 GMT
#2
I want to say TAILS over MaNa in the loser's match, but other than that I agree with this
"Choo Choo, muhfukkas!!"
Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
July 02 2013 07:55 GMT
#3
That's my prediction too. I really hope TLO goes far this season
Jaedong <3
ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
July 02 2013 08:18 GMT
#4
I hope MMA can do it...he doesn't look great (sometimes not even ok like last GSTL match..) since he joined Acer :/
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
July 02 2013 08:24 GMT
#5
I think I want MMA to succeed more than European to defend their soil. And I want the latter bad thought.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Ry2D2
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States429 Posts
July 02 2013 08:27 GMT
#6
I could see any of these 4 getting out of the group. TAiLS is pretty good at preparing builds in GSTL so I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls out some weird builds and gets through. MaNa, TLO, and MMA are all just solid players but TLO is at the top of his game atm and MMA is consistently good. I say like 60% those 2 make it through.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
July 02 2013 08:59 GMT
#7
I want the europeans to defend their soil but MaNa didn't look solid enough at DH and HSC so my bet would be TLO + MMA.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
jackslater
Profile Joined November 2012
Russian Federation604 Posts
July 02 2013 10:35 GMT
#8
Mana and TLO wins!
asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
July 02 2013 11:58 GMT
#9
underestimating tails yo
rip prime
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
July 02 2013 12:31 GMT
#10
I really want to see MaNa get out but I think it will be TLO in first and MMA in second.
And Tails, I swear if you mess up my liquibets...
"KDA is actually the most useless stat in the game" Aui_2000
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
July 02 2013 13:03 GMT
#11
Good luck TLO and MaNa!
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
July 02 2013 13:11 GMT
#12
On July 02 2013 20:58 asdfOu wrote:
underestimating tails yo


maybe, but tails over who? TLO has looked insane lately. Maybe tails could take MMA though.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
July 02 2013 13:38 GMT
#13
On July 02 2013 20:58 asdfOu wrote:
underestimating tails yo


you underestimate the lag from KR to EU
FridayNext
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany13 Posts
July 02 2013 13:50 GMT
#14
On July 02 2013 16:52 choo choo wrote:
I want to say TAILS over MaNa in the loser's match, but other than that I agree with this


PvP with lag :-/... i don't think so.
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
July 02 2013 13:50 GMT
#15
Mana and Tails, unless lag fucks tails over.
Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1351 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 14:00:38
July 02 2013 14:00 GMT
#16
All 4 players are really good, I can´t predict anything. MMA should make it though...

Is MMA in Europe or Korea atm?
monchi | IdrA | Flash
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33712 Posts
July 02 2013 14:01 GMT
#17
I personally love tails as a player, but i can't bet against cross-server
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
July 02 2013 14:03 GMT
#18
Hoping for MMA to make it and for TLO to be eliminated but I fear I'll be disappointed twice.
aaycumi
Profile Joined March 2011
England265 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 14:12:55
July 02 2013 14:12 GMT
#19
That front page pic of TLO is just saying: "He talks, they walk."
TLO to advance 100%
HonorZ
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France858 Posts
July 02 2013 14:12 GMT
#20
On July 02 2013 17:18 ArcadeR wrote:
I hope MMA can do it...he doesn't look great (sometimes not even ok like last GSTL match..) since he joined Acer :/


In fact MMA did a good job for Acer, he is the best player of ATC and has really stepped up his games lately.

On July 02 2013 23:00 Big-t wrote:
All 4 players are really good, I can´t predict anything. MMA should make it though...

Is MMA in Europe or Korea atm?


MMA is in Acer's gaming house in Munich

Gogo MMA !
"If you don't drop sweat today you'll drop tears tomorrow"
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