On July 03 2013 06:22 Popkiller wrote: uh oh, Flash lost to a "casual" player...
Im extremely interested to see the VoD between Fly/LoveCD vs Flash, especially if LoveCD is as good as Rain according to him. There's so many untapped players in China, they really need a good esports infrastructure and more teams.
I was talking about sOs and how his coach called him a casual player... and I was kind of poking fun at that because he's pretty damn good.
On July 03 2013 06:22 Popkiller wrote: uh oh, Flash lost to a "casual" player...
Im extremely interested to see the VoD between Fly/LoveCD vs Flash, especially if LoveCD is as good as Rain according to him. There's so many untapped players in China, they really need a good esports infrastructure and more teams.
I was talking about sOs and how his coach called him a casual player... and I was kind of poking fun at that because he's pretty damn good.
Didnt the coach say ever since he got to the RO4 in GSL, he's been taking the game more seriously and actually training hard :p?
On July 03 2013 06:35 NicksonReyes wrote: Well, Protoss is still Flash's weakness after all. If LoveCD is really as good as Rain, he should have pwned Flash ez.
And this is based on what? Rain's 1-0 record against Flash in HoTS? Lol....
But youre right. its crazy how TvP is Flash's weakest match up and his winrate for it is a terrible 64%.
On July 03 2013 06:35 NicksonReyes wrote: Well, Protoss is still Flash's weakness after all. If LoveCD is really as good as Rain, he should have pwned Flash ez.
And this is based on what? Rain's 1-0 record against Flash in HoTS? Lol....
But youre right. its crazy how TvP is Flash's weakest match up and his winrate for it is a terrible 64%.
rain dosent make mistakes in pvt . as simple as that . and we saw how flash can throw games last season vs parting on daybreak .
On July 03 2013 06:35 NicksonReyes wrote: Well, Protoss is still Flash's weakness after all. If LoveCD is really as good as Rain, he should have pwned Flash ez.
And this is based on what? Rain's 1-0 record against Flash in HoTS? Lol....
But youre right. its crazy how TvP is Flash's weakest match up and his winrate for it is a terrible 64%.
rain dosent make mistakes in pvt . as simple as that . and we saw how flash can throw games last season vs parting on daybreak .
But if we can recall the previous time Flash met Rain in the GSL, Flash beat Rain in dominating fashion. Although arguable in SPL, Rain completely outclassed Flash in their only head to head match up.
As for the throwing...anyone can throw games.. I can argue how terrible Innovation is based on how badly he lost against Turn who played pretty badly.. or how Soulkey's ZvP is weak based on how Stats ran circles around him with his air-toss.
flash's tvp is still lacking it seems. honestly, whenever flash is facing a good protoss, i get kinda worried. but oh well. he's still far from his bw form and he has quite a bit of time to get there
grats to sos though! seems like he really knew what to do against flash.
On July 03 2013 06:35 NicksonReyes wrote: Well, Protoss is still Flash's weakness after all. If LoveCD is really as good as Rain, he should have pwned Flash ez.
And this is based on what? Rain's 1-0 record against Flash in HoTS? Lol....
But youre right. its crazy how TvP is Flash's weakest match up and his winrate for it is a terrible 64%.
On July 03 2013 06:35 NicksonReyes wrote: Well, Protoss is still Flash's weakness after all. If LoveCD is really as good as Rain, he should have pwned Flash ez.
And this is based on what? Rain's 1-0 record against Flash in HoTS? Lol....
But youre right. its crazy how TvP is Flash's weakest match up and his winrate for it is a terrible 64%.
Flash: - Ro16 WCS KR - Did not paritcipate WCS Finals - Ro16 WCS KR S2 - Did not participate MLG qualifiers - 2nd Asian Games - 2nd MLG Invitational
(2 Runner up, 2 RO16 KR (1 of them on-going), 0 colossal failures)
Life - RO16 WCS KR - Did not participate WCS KR Finals - Ro32 WCS KR S2 - Did not participate MLG Spring 2013 - 2nd in Asian Games but forfeited his spot to Flash so... moot. - 1st MLG Invitational HoTS
I can't agree with your definition of "colossal failure" if losing in WCS KR Ro32 isn't, while not qualifying for MLG or AIMAG is.
For me the list of HOTS accomplishments is like this: 1. Innovation 2. Soulkey 3. sOs 4. Flash (Proleague is arguably as tough as WCS KR, if not harder, and Flash is kicking butt over there) And nobody else is close to those 4.
Flash has accomplished nothing impressive in HoTs so far. He kept losing to Life & Parting despite terran being quite strong atm, and those players aren't even the top of their races atm. He might be very solid against mid-tier players, but usually fell apart when facing high level opponents, which really explain why he had so many wins (against mediocre players in all kill format) in pl but has not done well in individual league. And nobody thinks Pl is harder than WCS KR except for BW elitists.
Flash: - Ro16 WCS KR - Did not paritcipate WCS Finals - Ro16 WCS KR S2 - Did not participate MLG qualifiers - 2nd Asian Games - 2nd MLG Invitational
(2 Runner up, 2 RO16 KR (1 of them on-going), 0 colossal failures)
Life - RO16 WCS KR - Did not participate WCS KR Finals - Ro32 WCS KR S2 - Did not participate MLG Spring 2013 - 2nd in Asian Games but forfeited his spot to Flash so... moot. - 1st MLG Invitational HoTS
I can't agree with your definition of "colossal failure" if losing in WCS KR Ro32 isn't, while not qualifying for MLG or AIMAG is.
For me the list of HOTS accomplishments is like this: 1. Innovation 2. Soulkey 3. sOs 4. Flash (Proleague is arguably as tough as WCS KR, if not harder, and Flash is kicking butt over there) And nobody else is close to those 4.
Flash has accomplished nothing impressive in HoTs so far. He kept losing to Life & Parting despite terran being quite strong atm, and those players aren't even the top of their races atm. He might be very solid against mid-tier players, but usually fell apart when facing high level opponents, which really explain why he had so many wins (against mediocre players in all kill format) in pl but has not done well in individual league. And nobody thinks Pl is harder than WCS KR except for BW elitists.
Flash 2-0'd Soulkey in the last GSL, and has a positive record against Innovation. Losing to life at MLG when hots was barely released does not show a lack of skill.
Flash: - Ro16 WCS KR - Did not paritcipate WCS Finals - Ro16 WCS KR S2 - Did not participate MLG qualifiers - 2nd Asian Games - 2nd MLG Invitational
(2 Runner up, 2 RO16 KR (1 of them on-going), 0 colossal failures)
Life - RO16 WCS KR - Did not participate WCS KR Finals - Ro32 WCS KR S2 - Did not participate MLG Spring 2013 - 2nd in Asian Games but forfeited his spot to Flash so... moot. - 1st MLG Invitational HoTS
Flash: - Ro16 WCS KR - Did not paritcipate WCS Finals - Ro16 WCS KR S2 - Did not participate MLG qualifiers - 2nd Asian Games - 2nd MLG Invitational
(2 Runner up, 2 RO16 KR (1 of them on-going), 0 colossal failures)
Life - RO16 WCS KR - Did not participate WCS KR Finals - Ro32 WCS KR S2 - Did not participate MLG Spring 2013 - 2nd in Asian Games but forfeited his spot to Flash so... moot. - 1st MLG Invitational HoTS
Flash: - Ro16 WCS KR - Did not paritcipate WCS Finals - Ro16 WCS KR S2 - Did not participate MLG qualifiers - 2nd Asian Games - 2nd MLG Invitational
(2 Runner up, 2 RO16 KR (1 of them on-going), 0 colossal failures)
Life - RO16 WCS KR - Did not participate WCS KR Finals - Ro32 WCS KR S2 - Did not participate MLG Spring 2013 - 2nd in Asian Games but forfeited his spot to Flash so... moot. - 1st MLG Invitational HoTS
I c.an't agree with your definition of "colossal failure" if losing in WCS KR Ro32 isn't, while not qualifying for MLG or AIMAG is.
For me the list of HOTS accomplishments is like this: 1. Innovation 2. Soulkey 3. sOs 4. Flash (Proleague is arguably as tough as WCS KR, if not harder, and Flash is kicking butt over there) And nobody else is close to those 4.
Flash has accomplished nothing impressive in HoTs so far. He kept losing to Life & Parting despite terran being quite strong atm, and those players aren't the top of their races atm. He might be very solid against mid-tier players, but usually fell apart when facing high level opponents, which really explain why he had so many wins (against mediocre players in all kill format) in pl but has not done well in individual league. And nobody thinks Pl is harder than WCS KR except for BW elitists.
I don't hate Flash, in fact I think to have Flash as a sc2 champion is good for the game. But to see people time and time again try to force his name into a top 3/4 in the world that "are just levels above" the rest while he has not had the results to back it up is quite lame. Flash is an amazing TEAM LEAGUE player because of he has this great stamina that allows him to play many good matchs in a row. However he still has troubles against top competitions in high stake situation, in individual leagues.
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