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VmY
Netherlands1286 Posts
On July 03 2013 01:09 EFermi wrote: Sos won? I really can't believe that. I thought he would fade away into obscurity after losing in the OSL. Really? He lost 2 games, happens to the best. | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
Soulkey: - 1st WCS KR - Semi-Finals WCS Finals - Ro16 WCS KR S2 - Dropped from MLG qualifiers - Dropped from Asian Game qualifiers - Did not participate MLG Invitational HoTS (1 1st Place, 1 Semi-Finals, 1Ro16 (but on-going) and two colossal failures) Innovation: - 2nd WCS KR - 1st WCS Finals - Ro16 WCS KR S2 - Dropped from MLG Qualifiers - Dropped from Asian Game qualifiers - Ro4 MLG Invitational HoTS (1 1st place, 1 runner up, 1 semi finalist, 1 Ro16 on-going and two colossal failures) SoS: - Ro4 WCS KR - 2nd WCS Finals - Ro32 WCS KR S2 - Did not participate MLG qualifiers - 1st Asian Games - Did not participate MLG Invitational HoTS (1 1st place, 1 Runner up, 1 semi-finalist, 1 RO32, 0 colossal failures) Flash: - Ro16 WCS KR - Did not paritcipate WCS Finals - Ro16 WCS KR S2 - Did not participate MLG qualifiers - 2nd Asian Games - 2nd MLG Invitational (2 Runner up, 2 RO16 KR (1 of them on-going), 0 colossal failures) Life - RO16 WCS KR - Did not participate WCS KR Finals - Ro32 WCS KR S2 - Did not participate MLG Spring 2013 - 2nd in Asian Games but forfeited his spot to Flash so... moot. - 1st MLG Invitational HoTS (1 1st Place, 1 somewhat runner up, 1 Ro16 WCS KR, 1 Ro32 WCS KR S2, 0 colossal failures) Tough assessment to make. | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
Why do you keep letting other people win? be selfish for once >: (! Jay kay. but congrats to sOs. Disappointed in Flash not having the gold medal though. | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
Gratz :D | ||
Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
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EFermi
United States165 Posts
I was thinking more about his mental state after getting embarrassed in the WCS S1 finals followed by the failure of OSL so soon after. On July 03 2013 04:06 LighT. wrote: Who is the more accomplished Player in HoTS? Soulkey: - 1st WCS KR - Semi-Finals WCS Finals - Ro16 WCS KR S2 - Dropped from MLG qualifiers - Dropped from Asian Game qualifiers - Did not participate MLG Invitational HoTS (1 1st Place, 1 Semi-Finals, 1Ro16 (but on-going) and two colossal failures) Innovation: - 2nd WCS KR - 1st WCS Finals - Ro16 WCS KR S2 - Dropped from MLG Qualifiers - Dropped from Asian Game qualifiers - Ro4 MLG Invitational HoTS (1 1st place, 1 runner up, 1 semi finalist, 1 Ro16 on-going and two colossal failures) SoS: - Ro4 WCS KR - 2nd WCS Finals - Ro32 WCS KR S2 - Did not participate MLG qualifiers - 1st Asian Games - Did not participate MLG Invitational HoTS (1 1st place, 1 Runner up, 1 semi-finalist, 1 RO32, 0 colossal failures) Flash: - Ro16 WCS KR - Did not paritcipate WCS Finals - Ro16 WCS KR S2 - Did not participate MLG qualifiers - 2nd Asian Games - 2nd MLG Invitational (2 Runner up, 2 RO16 KR (1 of them on-going), 0 colossal failures) Life - RO16 WCS KR - Did not participate WCS KR Finals - Ro32 WCS KR S2 - Did not participate MLG Spring 2013 - 2nd in Asian Games but forfeited his spot to Flash so... moot. - 1st MLG Invitational HoTS (1 1st Place, 1 somewhat runner up, 1 Ro16 WCS KR, 1 Ro32 WCS KR S2, 0 colossal failures) Tough assessment to make. I can't agree with your definition of "colossal failure" if losing in WCS KR Ro32 isn't, while not qualifying for MLG or AIMAG is. For me the list of HOTS accomplishments is like this: 1. Innovation 2. Soulkey 3. sOs 4. Flash (Proleague is arguably as tough as WCS KR, if not harder, and Flash is kicking butt over there) And nobody else is close to those 4. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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larse
1611 Posts
Q: How are you going to work toward more WCS points? Flash: "It's true that I lack WCS points. When I gave up MLG seed, KeSPA promised me that I can participate in NA/EU tournaments more. Although it's a little different from my estimate, but I will go to 2-3 tournaments." Source: http://www.playsc.com/forum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=376159&extra=page=1 | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
On July 03 2013 05:29 larse wrote: Interview taken after the finals: Q: How are you going to work toward more WCS points? Flash: "It's true that I lack WCS points. When I gave up MLG seed, KeSPA promised me that I can participate in NA/EU tournaments more. Although it's a little different from my estimate, but I will go to 2-3 tournaments." Source: http://www.playsc.com/forum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=376159&extra=page=1 it's very likely for him to compete in european tourneys i think | ||
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tozi
United States506 Posts
- SoS said his mid-late game is weaker than Flash's, so going into today, he decided to "modify" his early-game tactics - Flash really isn't disappointed in the loss. He felt pretty relaxed today. The only disappointment that came was because a lot of fans came to cheer him on. | ||
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scCassius
United States254 Posts
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tozi
United States506 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12071 Posts
On July 03 2013 05:21 Canucklehead wrote: Flash lost to sos? I can't believe it after how badly innovation bopped sos. Don't really consider the skill gap b/w innovation and flash is that big. s0s played really badly against innovation to be fair. I don't think it's entirely fair to say sOs got owned by him, in that series he did but I'd say if they'd rematch it'd be a different story. | ||
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
On July 03 2013 05:14 EFermi wrote: I was thinking more about his mental state after getting embarrassed in the WCS S1 finals followed by the failure of OSL so soon after. I can't agree with your definition of "colossal failure" if losing in WCS KR Ro32 isn't, while not qualifying for MLG or AIMAG is. For me the list of HOTS accomplishments is like this: 1. Innovation 2. Soulkey 3. sOs 4. Flash (Proleague is arguably as tough as WCS KR, if not harder, and Flash is kicking butt over there) And nobody else is close to those 4. Flash has accomplished nothing impressive in HoTs so far. He kept losing to Life & Parting despite terran being quite strong atm, and those players aren't even the top of their races atm. He might be very solid against mid-tier players, but usually fell apart when facing high level opponents, which really explain why he had so many wins (against mediocre players in all kill format) in pl but has not done well in individual league. And nobody thinks Pl is harder than WCS KR except for BW elitists. | ||
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On July 03 2013 06:11 painkilla wrote: Flash has accomplished nothing impressive in HoTs so far. He kept losing to Life & Parting despite terran being quite strong atm, and those players aren't even the top of their races atm. He might be very solid against mid-tier players, but usually fell apart when facing high level opponents, which really explain why he had so many wins (against mediocre players in all kill format) in pl but has not done well in individual league. And nobody thinks Pl is harder than WCS KR except for BW elitists. Oh definitely definitely...in HoTS: The 4-4 record vs Parting The 5-4 record vs Innovation The 3-1 record vs Soulkey The 2-0 vs Roro The 2-1 vs Fantasy The 3-1 vs CJ HerO is simply unacceptable! HES TERRIBLE AGAINST TOP TIER PLAYERS! nothing impressive at all. I mean look at how bad he is against players like Rain. he loses to him ALL the time. Rain has like a simply dominating 1-0 vs Flash. Can we say Flash simply cannot beat Rain? | ||
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Popkiller
3415 Posts
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On July 03 2013 05:14 EFermi wrote: I was thinking more about his mental state after getting embarrassed in the WCS S1 finals followed by the failure of OSL so soon after. I can't agree with your definition of "colossal failure" if losing in WCS KR Ro32 isn't, while not qualifying for MLG or AIMAG is. For me the list of HOTS accomplishments is like this: 1. Innovation 2. Soulkey 3. sOs 4. Flash (Proleague is arguably as tough as WCS KR, if not harder, and Flash is kicking butt over there) And nobody else is close to those 4. Not qualifying for MLG/AIMAG is because they simply couldnt even gain the entry ticket to participate in the tournament. If you also look at where Soulkey/Innovation fell in the MLG qualifer, it is indeed a colossal failure, although Innovation did pretty good in AIMAG. I dont classify Ro32 as colossal failure because at least youve gained entry to the tournament although losing in the first round. If we include the fact that RO32 is indeed a "colossal failure", then that would make flash the most consistently high ranking player out of the 5. | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On July 03 2013 06:22 Popkiller wrote: uh oh, Flash lost to a "casual" player... Im extremely interested to see the VoD between Fly/LoveCD vs Flash, especially if LoveCD is as good as Rain according to him. There's so many untapped players in China, they really need a good esports infrastructure and more teams. | ||
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