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On June 27 2013 23:50 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 23:48 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 27 2013 23:47 Nerchio wrote:On June 27 2013 23:45 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 27 2013 23:42 Bagration wrote:On June 27 2013 23:36 Tppz! wrote:On June 27 2013 23:33 Bagration wrote:
Poor Nerchio is getting a lot of flack in this thread.
Also, Acer needs a deeper roster. Relying on 3 key players is hard, even with all these revives. how can a person who is totally BM be a poor guy if he gets what he deserves for his actions? its not even much. I'm not defending his BM, as I think it's stupid. But people calling him dicks is equally stupid (perhaps even more since Nerchio is an accomplished Progamer and they're anonymous Internet posters). Two wrongs don't make a right, and while Nerchio was in the wrong, we shouldn't be slinging insults at progamers. Maybe, sometimes people take it to far in response. But if someone whines and you call them a whiner for example, that's not wrong, that's just telling the truth. I agree, calling him a douche or other names is also wrong, but calling someone out is not necessarily wrong. So i am calling out Snute for his playstyle, what's wrong with that? Because it was snarky, and it was a winning playstyle. Why should he choose a different style if it wins 4 games in a row, that would be stupid. The point is, I do that when he wins and he loses - with this playstyle he can lose to some random master zergs - who has macro good enough to mass roach as he does(and that happens) but also win the best in the world even if he practiced 10 times less than some korean would. Don't hate the player, hate the game?
I mean that in the serious sense where, if this is something that does work too often, does it not mean that the game itself needs to be fixed to not make it viable? In the end, you're playing to win, and if it works, why not do it?
Edit: and if, in the end, winning is not your final goal, then what is? You compete to win. I mean yes, winning at the exclusion of all else isn't necessarily a great life goal, but without people that will abuse the things that work like that, they won't be fixed.
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On June 27 2013 23:50 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 23:48 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 27 2013 23:47 Nerchio wrote:On June 27 2013 23:45 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 27 2013 23:42 Bagration wrote:On June 27 2013 23:36 Tppz! wrote:On June 27 2013 23:33 Bagration wrote:
Poor Nerchio is getting a lot of flack in this thread.
Also, Acer needs a deeper roster. Relying on 3 key players is hard, even with all these revives. how can a person who is totally BM be a poor guy if he gets what he deserves for his actions? its not even much. I'm not defending his BM, as I think it's stupid. But people calling him dicks is equally stupid (perhaps even more since Nerchio is an accomplished Progamer and they're anonymous Internet posters). Two wrongs don't make a right, and while Nerchio was in the wrong, we shouldn't be slinging insults at progamers. Maybe, sometimes people take it to far in response. But if someone whines and you call them a whiner for example, that's not wrong, that's just telling the truth. I agree, calling him a douche or other names is also wrong, but calling someone out is not necessarily wrong. So i am calling out Snute for his playstyle, what's wrong with that? Because it was snarky, and it was a winning playstyle. Why should he choose a different style if it wins 4 games in a row, that would be stupid. The point is, I do that when he wins and he loses - with this playstyle he can lose to some random master zergs - who has macro good enough to mass roach as he does(and that happens) but also win the best in the world even if he practiced 10 times less than some korean would.
Fair enough, that's not at all how it came across, though. In that context, it sounds like you're complaining about a strategy you can't beat, even though you can do the same thing. Either way, I don't think during a game is the time to bring it up.
You should just remember people do have different outlooks, like you said. Winning and only that is the goal for a lot of people. Besides, what does it gain you to point out that his strat is dumb. Just accept losses to it, and find a way to win. You should prove that you are the better player with your play not with your words.
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On June 27 2013 23:49 rasnj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 23:42 Bagration wrote:On June 27 2013 23:36 Tppz! wrote:On June 27 2013 23:33 Bagration wrote:
Poor Nerchio is getting a lot of flack in this thread.
Also, Acer needs a deeper roster. Relying on 3 key players is hard, even with all these revives. how can a person who is totally BM be a poor guy if he gets what he deserves for his actions? its not even much. I'm not defending his BM, as I think it's stupid. But people calling him dicks is equally stupid (perhaps even more since Nerchio is an accomplished Progamer and they're anonymous Internet posters). Two wrongs don't make a right, and while Nerchio was in the wrong, we shouldn't be slinging insults at progamers. Why shouldn't we be slinging insults at progamers? I mean sure we should not do it blindly or unfairly, but when someone says something that is clearly retarded I don't see a reason not to call it out in a LR thread. If a player can't handle that then they shouldn't act like Nerchio did, and should probably learn not to visit Internet discussion forums. I just can't follow Nerchio's reasoning. Snute did something effective 3 times in a row and Nerchio apparently knew it every time and had the option of mirroring or directly countering, yet he barely got 1 win and felt a need to bm over that one win. Maybe most progamers don't bother posting on TL, but the ones that do are generally treated well enough. For instance Scarlett often posts and I don't recall seeing her being insulted.
you guys are complaining that Nerchio is BM and you insult him in return. you are doing worse than him...
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On June 27 2013 22:43 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Can we stop flaming Nerchio everytime he enters a thread?
You're a wizard, Olli!
Predicting the future isn't hard at all.
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On June 27 2013 23:47 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 23:45 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 27 2013 23:42 Bagration wrote:On June 27 2013 23:36 Tppz! wrote:On June 27 2013 23:33 Bagration wrote:
Poor Nerchio is getting a lot of flack in this thread.
Also, Acer needs a deeper roster. Relying on 3 key players is hard, even with all these revives. how can a person who is totally BM be a poor guy if he gets what he deserves for his actions? its not even much. I'm not defending his BM, as I think it's stupid. But people calling him dicks is equally stupid (perhaps even more since Nerchio is an accomplished Progamer and they're anonymous Internet posters). Two wrongs don't make a right, and while Nerchio was in the wrong, we shouldn't be slinging insults at progamers. Maybe, sometimes people take it to far in response. But if someone whines and you call them a whiner for example, that's not wrong, that's just telling the truth. I agree, calling him a douche or other names is also wrong, but calling someone out is not necessarily wrong. So i am calling out Snute for his playstyle, what's wrong with that?
There's absolutely no reason at all to "call him out for his playstyle" because it's a winning strategy. It's up to you to find a way to beat that strategy. And it is not like that strategy is some kind of risky cheese or anything, it still strains both his micro and macro abilities. So the thing is, you are using your frustration surrounding the game or how it turned out to attack Snute, and you have done this countless times to other players as well over the years. It's getting old and it is not really good for your reputation. It's fine to be a bit BM and to think of funny comments, but that wasn't it. And then you call us fanboys of Snute for not really responding to your attitude in a positive manner. You as a progamer posting here is great, but you can't expect some kind of immunity when you say stupid shit. You were being a dick towards your opponent, and you often are, it's just getting really really old...
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On June 27 2013 23:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 22:43 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Can we stop flaming Nerchio everytime he enters a thread? You're a wizard, Olli! Predicting the future isn't hard at all.
it was more epic without the self quote. should have added the one quoting you, saying to stop white knighting if nothing like that happens
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On June 27 2013 23:55 FeyFey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 23:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 27 2013 22:43 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Can we stop flaming Nerchio everytime he enters a thread? You're a wizard, Olli! Predicting the future isn't hard at all. it was more epic without the self quote. should have added the one quoting you, saying to stop white knighting if nothing like that happens
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you just had to take it away from me, didn't you.
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On June 27 2013 23:49 rasnj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 23:42 Bagration wrote:On June 27 2013 23:36 Tppz! wrote:On June 27 2013 23:33 Bagration wrote:
Poor Nerchio is getting a lot of flack in this thread.
Also, Acer needs a deeper roster. Relying on 3 key players is hard, even with all these revives. how can a person who is totally BM be a poor guy if he gets what he deserves for his actions? its not even much. I'm not defending his BM, as I think it's stupid. But people calling him dicks is equally stupid (perhaps even more since Nerchio is an accomplished Progamer and they're anonymous Internet posters). Two wrongs don't make a right, and while Nerchio was in the wrong, we shouldn't be slinging insults at progamers. Why shouldn't we be slinging insults at progamers? I mean sure we should not do it blindly or unfairly, but when someone says something that is clearly retarded I don't see a reason not to call it out in a LR thread. If a player can't handle that then they shouldn't act like Nerchio did, and should probably learn not to visit Internet discussion forums. I just can't follow Nerchio's reasoning. Snute did something effective 3 times in a row and Nerchio apparently knew it every time and had the option of mirroring or directly countering, yet he barely got 1 win and felt a need to bm over that one win. Maybe most progamers don't bother posting on TL, but the ones that do are generally treated well enough. For instance Scarlett often posts and I don't recall seeing her being insulted.
Calling anybody, much less a progamer, a "dick" is not constructive whatsoever. There's a difference between calling somebody out respectfully for BM, and slinging an insult.
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// I guess all this comes out of the fact we all look at e-sports in a different way. For me winning is not the final goal but competition itself is and your reasoning is "well if it works, it's good". If so, then i agree.
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On June 27 2013 23:55 FeyFey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 23:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 27 2013 22:43 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Can we stop flaming Nerchio everytime he enters a thread? You're a wizard, Olli! Predicting the future isn't hard at all. it was more epic without the self quote. should have added the one quoting you, saying to stop white knighting if nothing like that happens
Nobody had flamed Nerchio when Olli made that post.
That he's brought it upon himself since then, well... that one's debatable.
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On June 28 2013 00:06 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 23:55 FeyFey wrote:On June 27 2013 23:53 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 27 2013 22:43 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Can we stop flaming Nerchio everytime he enters a thread? You're a wizard, Olli! Predicting the future isn't hard at all. it was more epic without the self quote. should have added the one quoting you, saying to stop white knighting if nothing like that happens Nobody had flamed Nerchio when Olli made that post. That he's brought it upon himself since then, well... that one's debatable.
To be fair
On June 27 2013 21:41 styLesdavis wrote:
Like your archievements over the last few months, Mr. Nerchio?
had already happened.
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On June 27 2013 23:39 Musicus wrote:
I like how Take always says TeamLiquidPro instead of Teamliquid.
he says that because liquids twitter is @TeamliquidPro and not team liquid
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Does replay be upload soon ?
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On June 27 2013 23:47 Nerchio wrote:So i am calling out Snute for his playstyle, what's wrong with that?
I don't mind people arguing over each others playstyle, but the "goodbye snute" is just bm and you do stuff like that over and over again.
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On June 27 2013 23:59 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +
// I guess all this comes out of the fact we all look at e-sports in a different way. For me winning is not the final goal but competition itself is and your reasoning is "well if it works, it's good". If so, then i agree.
Losers have excuses, winners have a plan.
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On June 28 2013 03:54 Skyline026 wrote:
Losers have excuses, winners have a plan.
What kind of a lame phrase is that? And why would you call someone like Nerchio a loser, when he's clearly been one of the best foreign players around for a while now?
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On June 28 2013 04:09 4tre55 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 03:54 Skyline026 wrote:
Losers have excuses, winners have a plan. What kind of a lame phrase is that? And why would you call someone like Nerchio a loser, when he's clearly been one of the best foreign players around for a while now?
Stating you are not in progaming to win is like stating you are not in the bathroom to poo. Sure there is other stuff to do in there, but nothing is better than pooping and winning. Nice to see someone enjoying competition, but it's not PROgaming for nothing.
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On June 28 2013 03:54 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 23:59 Nerchio wrote:
// I guess all this comes out of the fact we all look at e-sports in a different way. For me winning is not the final goal but competition itself is and your reasoning is "well if it works, it's good". If so, then i agree.
Losers have excuses, winners have a plan.
Except i won much more than Snute.. yeah that makes sense
Also i never considered myself a progamer because I don't force myself to play the game, i take what i can
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On June 28 2013 04:40 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 03:54 Skyline026 wrote:On June 27 2013 23:59 Nerchio wrote:
// I guess all this comes out of the fact we all look at e-sports in a different way. For me winning is not the final goal but competition itself is and your reasoning is "well if it works, it's good". If so, then i agree.
Losers have excuses, winners have a plan. Except i won much more than Snute.. yeah that makes sense Also i never considered myself a progamer because I don't force myself to play the game, i take what i can
Why are you whining exactly? Cause snute goes roaches? Like almost every other zerg player in the competitive scene? Or because he has a specific roach build that is pretty strong? Because he doesn't use lings as much in the early game?
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On June 27 2013 23:39 Nerchio wrote:
After the respones to what Snute said you can see most of this thread is fanboying so what's the point on responding to you when you guys can't even think for yourselves? Then you all ask questions why there is no progamers talking except TL stuff themselves :D
cuz Snute made a funny comment and you are just a sad whiner?
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