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gobbledydook
Australia2593 Posts
1) Warp prism harass (before Zerg gets his 7k minerals and 3k gas, by which time it's too late) 2) Better void ray recall (MC tried and failed. But I think that the void ray base snipe is crucial to the sky toss build.) 3) Dark templars. They are the best at harassing and at one point MC was floating a lot of resources. edit: we've been seeing ghosts in suicide medivacs for EMP, maybe we could see templars in suicide prisms for storm? | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
 i love this style from Stephano though | ||
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Dwayn
Germany949 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
Most of the time I see zergs lose with them anyway so I don't get the balance complaints. | ||
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-KG-
Denmark1203 Posts
On June 27 2013 03:16 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Did stephano ever lose with this style vs protoss? He lost one game with this compo against Babyknight on Akilon. But it was an unimportant match and he did not play 100%. In a later game (that mattered) he destroyed Babyknight with it  | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11926 Posts
On June 27 2013 03:17 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: Against BabyKnight in groupstages, iirc. Then stephano beat him 3-0 in ro8. Nope first game vs babyk he made no spores in his spine wall, so he got airtossed pretty badly, and the second game didn't reach that stage. | ||
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Waise
3165 Posts
On June 27 2013 03:15 Clazziquai10 wrote: Not if you are smart enough to put spines and spores everywhere it doesn't work like that lol. static defense doesn't scale against the armies you face at the swarm host stage of the game. it doesn't have to be a drop in your mineral lines either, they can drop straight on the swarm hosts, flank around and drop behind them when the locusts pop, etc. terran has too much mobility to lose to SH. it's only zvp metagame because protoss is the slow race swarm hosts against terran isn't impossible, it's just so much easier for a terran to counter, so why would you do it | ||
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Aerisky
United States12128 Posts
On June 27 2013 03:16 Umpteen wrote: Spoon Terran, meet Tweezer Zerg. LOL beautiful. Hope MC can find a way to overcome this, but it seems like it'll take a while for toss to figure out. And then if he tries a 2 base all-in, everyone will just say MC hasn't changed in years and blame him for playing a stupid style T_T tbh though best shot at this point would probably just to do a 7 gate immo all-in or gateway all-in like stardust, unless he can figure out how to beat this style really quickly =/ I think warp prisms would help a lot, but stephano is smart, he's decked his bases with spores and spines so warping in units, even dts, probably won't work. | ||
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Aquila-
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fezvez
France3021 Posts
Stephano had roughly 20 swarm hosts from 15:00 until the end (35:00?). So during 20 minutes, he produced roughly 2000 locusts (1920 if you want to be precise) It has been suggested before, but I agree with the idea that a swarm host uses 5 minerals to pop locusts. This would have been 5k less for Stephano in the end, more than his bank. So, it would give incentive to not do random things. Honestly, this would cost only 100 minerals per wave. Nothing groundbreaking, but something to keep Zerg in check from doing stupid 1 hour long snoozefest. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On June 27 2013 03:19 Aquila- wrote: They need to give Protoss and Terran a unit that produces free units in order to combat Zergs free units. Yes I am genius. Well, we do all remember BL vs BL fights fondly, I imagine. | ||
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
On June 27 2013 03:18 gobbledydook wrote: There were a few things that MC could have done to give himself a better shot. 1) Warp prism harass (before Zerg gets his 7k minerals and 3k gas, by which time it's too late) 2) Better void ray recall (MC tried and failed. But I think that the void ray base snipe is crucial to the sky toss build.) 3) Dark templars. They are the best at harassing and at one point MC was floating a lot of resources. edit: we've been seeing ghosts in suicide medivacs for EMP, maybe we could see templars in suicide prisms for storm? I agree with 1 and 2, but 3 isn't an option. He forced a lot of spores, so DTs would have been a waste of recources | ||
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-KG-
Denmark1203 Posts
On June 27 2013 03:18 gobbledydook wrote: There were a few things that MC could have done to give himself a better shot. 1) Warp prism harass (before Zerg gets his 7k minerals and 3k gas, by which time it's too late) 2) Better void ray recall (MC tried and failed. But I think that the void ray base snipe is crucial to the sky toss build.) 3) Dark templars. They are the best at harassing and at one point MC was floating a lot of resources. The amount of spines and spores lategame pretty much eliminate those options (1 and 3) | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2593 Posts
On June 27 2013 03:19 Aquila- wrote: They need to give Protoss and Terran a unit that produces free units in order to combat Zergs free units. Yes I am genius. terran has hellbats, thats better than free units. protoss? give us hellbats too | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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Mambo
Denmark1338 Posts
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freerolll
Belgium1056 Posts
On June 27 2013 03:11 soullogik wrote: i dont understand mc he knows this matchup he gets tempest but doesnt get oracle so he can use them woulda ezmoded all these vipers I think protoss still needs alot of time to play vs this style maybe even more then bruutlord/infestor in WOL. Its not Imba like that comp was but I think harder to play against. Thank god this is only style is only realy viable in maps that can be split. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On June 27 2013 03:21 gobbledydook wrote: terran has hellbats, thats better than free units. protoss? give us hellbats too Only if terran gets colossi. | ||
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reki-
Netherlands327 Posts
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