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If Stars wins, they will make their first Proleague finals since the 2004 finals. Players who played in that final were Nada, who now plays World of Tanks, and Daezang, a commentator now for GOM.
On June 22 2013 10:05 Dodgin wrote: I look forward to the continuation of Woongjin's pre playoff slump
I thought you were a Woongjin bro
I was just supporting soulkey for the GSL finals, I am most certainly not cheering for them in PL. Also It's more interesting if they don't secure first place tonight.
On June 22 2013 10:05 Dodgin wrote: I look forward to the continuation of Woongjin's pre playoff slump
I thought you were a Woongjin bro
I was just supporting soulkey for the GSL finals, I am most certainly not cheering for them in PL. Also It's more interesting if they don't secure first place tonight.
On June 22 2013 10:05 Dodgin wrote: I look forward to the continuation of Woongjin's pre playoff slump
I thought you were a Woongjin bro
I was just supporting soulkey for the GSL finals, I am most certainly not cheering for them in PL. Also It's more interesting if they don't secure first place tonight.
On June 22 2013 10:05 Dodgin wrote: I look forward to the continuation of Woongjin's pre playoff slump
I thought you were a Woongjin bro
I was just supporting soulkey for the GSL finals, I am most certainly not cheering for them in PL. Also It's more interesting if they don't secure first place tonight.
I hope Khan overtakes SKT :<
Im not their biggest fan but playoff is not really playoff without SKT. It's like no Brazil in the World Cup, no Ronnie at the Crucible
On June 22 2013 10:05 Dodgin wrote: I look forward to the continuation of Woongjin's pre playoff slump
I thought you were a Woongjin bro
I was just supporting soulkey for the GSL finals, I am most certainly not cheering for them in PL. Also It's more interesting if they don't secure first place tonight.
I hope Khan overtakes SKT :<
Im not their biggest fan but playoff is not really playoff without SKT. It's like no Brazil in the World Cup, no Ronnie at the Crucible
Exactly. Plus what's a playoff without the most annoying fanbase?
(Vote): Woongjin Stars vs. WeMade Fox (Vote): Hanbit Stars vs. Pantech EX (Vote): Woongjin Stars vs. Toona SG (Vote): Hanbit Stars vs. Pantech & Curitel Curriors
On June 22 2013 10:05 Dodgin wrote: I look forward to the continuation of Woongjin's pre playoff slump
I thought you were a Woongjin bro
I was just supporting soulkey for the GSL finals, I am most certainly not cheering for them in PL. Also It's more interesting if they don't secure first place tonight.
I hope Khan overtakes SKT :<
Im not their biggest fan but playoff is not really playoff without SKT. It's like no Brazil in the World Cup, no Ronnie at the Crucible
Exactly. Plus what's a playoff without the most annoying fanbase?
(Vote): Woongjin Stars vs. WeMade Fox (Vote): Hanbit Stars vs. Pantech EX (Vote): Woongjin Stars vs. Toona SG (Vote): Hanbit Stars vs. Pantech & Curitel Curriors
Technically they are all correct, but what were the names of both teams at the time?
Whenever I read LR threads, I always want to tell people to remember that in the French court around the time of the Revolution, wit was considered paramount, though puns were considered the lowest of the low in terms of wit & humor. So even if you're doing it in an ironic way, just quiddit plz.
On June 22 2013 12:30 jalstar wrote: So I just tuned in to see a 3 base toss pull probes against a 3 base zerg. I'm assuming I missed something.
Trap did a Mamacore 1 zealot 1 stalker push to scare Soulkey, allowing Trap to take a 7 minute third base. He used that for a mass gateway (8 I think) timing attack, but Soulkey was able to hold while transitioning to Mutas. Trap went for blink and mass stalkers, and Soulkey wasn't able to do much damage with the mutas but was able to keep Trap on 3 bases. A semi base race ensued, but Soulkey lost his 3rd, 4th, and 5th bases. Trap lost his 4th soon after and was mining out since his 3rd was so early. Soulkey retook a fresher third, and defended it with mass muta and spinecrawler. Trap couldn't expand because of the large muta ball and attacked, but couldn't break through despite the probe pull.
On June 22 2013 12:30 jalstar wrote: So I just tuned in to see a 3 base toss pull probes against a 3 base zerg. I'm assuming I missed something.
Trap did a Mamacore 1 zealot 1 stalker push to scare Soulkey, allowing Trap to take a 7 minute third base. He used that for a mass gateway (8 I think) timing attack, but Soulkey was able to hold while transitioning to Mutas. Trap went for blink and mass stalkers, and Soulkey wasn't able to do much damage with the mutas but was able to keep Trap on 3 bases. A semi base race ensued, but Soulkey lost his 3rd, 4th, and 5th bases. Trap lost his 4th soon after and was mining out since his 3rd was so early. Soulkey retook a fresher third, and defended it with mass muta and spinecrawler. Trap couldn't expand because of the large muta ball and attacked, but couldn't break through despite the probe pull.
I only caught the last part when both players were down to 3 bases. A bit lazy to watch the game, doesn't sound interesting.
Please indulge my curiosity. Trap took a quick 3rd. Would he better playing more macro and teching up, instead of going for a semi-all-in?
Seemed odd in the end Soulkey only had mutas and near useless corrupters. But it seemed like he made the right strategic decisions, to hold out for the win. Nice spread on his sunkens, protecting his 3rd and the 2nd.
On June 22 2013 12:30 jalstar wrote: So I just tuned in to see a 3 base toss pull probes against a 3 base zerg. I'm assuming I missed something.
Trap did a Mamacore 1 zealot 1 stalker push to scare Soulkey, allowing Trap to take a 7 minute third base. He used that for a mass gateway (8 I think) timing attack, but Soulkey was able to hold while transitioning to Mutas. Trap went for blink and mass stalkers, and Soulkey wasn't able to do much damage with the mutas but was able to keep Trap on 3 bases. A semi base race ensued, but Soulkey lost his 3rd, 4th, and 5th bases. Trap lost his 4th soon after and was mining out since his 3rd was so early. Soulkey retook a fresher third, and defended it with mass muta and spinecrawler. Trap couldn't expand because of the large muta ball and attacked, but couldn't break through despite the probe pull.
I only caught the last part when both players were down to 3 bases. A bit lazy to watch the game, doesn't sound interesting.
Please indulge my curiosity. Trap took a quick 3rd. Would he better playing more macro and teching up, instead of going for a semi-all-in?
Seemed odd in the end Soulkey only had mutas and near useless corrupters. But it seemed like he made the right strategic decisions, to hold out for the win. Nice spread on his sunkens, protecting his 3rd and the 2nd.
Quick third into gateway all-in is a common strategy. It was especially used a lot on entombed valley in WoL. It's meant to catch the opponent offguard as your opponent is droning in response to your fast third.
On June 22 2013 12:30 jalstar wrote: So I just tuned in to see a 3 base toss pull probes against a 3 base zerg. I'm assuming I missed something.
Trap did a Mamacore 1 zealot 1 stalker push to scare Soulkey, allowing Trap to take a 7 minute third base. He used that for a mass gateway (8 I think) timing attack, but Soulkey was able to hold while transitioning to Mutas. Trap went for blink and mass stalkers, and Soulkey wasn't able to do much damage with the mutas but was able to keep Trap on 3 bases. A semi base race ensued, but Soulkey lost his 3rd, 4th, and 5th bases. Trap lost his 4th soon after and was mining out since his 3rd was so early. Soulkey retook a fresher third, and defended it with mass muta and spinecrawler. Trap couldn't expand because of the large muta ball and attacked, but couldn't break through despite the probe pull.
I only caught the last part when both players were down to 3 bases. A bit lazy to watch the game, doesn't sound interesting.
Please indulge my curiosity. Trap took a quick 3rd. Would he better playing more macro and teching up, instead of going for a semi-all-in?
Seemed odd in the end Soulkey only had mutas and near useless corrupters. But it seemed like he made the right strategic decisions, to hold out for the win. Nice spread on his sunkens, protecting his 3rd and the 2nd.
Quick third into gateway all-in is a common strategy. It was especially used a lot on entombed valley in WoL. It's meant to catch the opponent offguard as your opponent is droning in response to your fast third.
Thanks. Sounds like a Soul train without robo support. So what did Soulkey did right to hold, or Trap did wrong to botch it?
On June 22 2013 12:30 jalstar wrote: So I just tuned in to see a 3 base toss pull probes against a 3 base zerg. I'm assuming I missed something.
Trap did a Mamacore 1 zealot 1 stalker push to scare Soulkey, allowing Trap to take a 7 minute third base. He used that for a mass gateway (8 I think) timing attack, but Soulkey was able to hold while transitioning to Mutas. Trap went for blink and mass stalkers, and Soulkey wasn't able to do much damage with the mutas but was able to keep Trap on 3 bases. A semi base race ensued, but Soulkey lost his 3rd, 4th, and 5th bases. Trap lost his 4th soon after and was mining out since his 3rd was so early. Soulkey retook a fresher third, and defended it with mass muta and spinecrawler. Trap couldn't expand because of the large muta ball and attacked, but couldn't break through despite the probe pull.
I only caught the last part when both players were down to 3 bases. A bit lazy to watch the game, doesn't sound interesting.
Please indulge my curiosity. Trap took a quick 3rd. Would he better playing more macro and teching up, instead of going for a semi-all-in?
Seemed odd in the end Soulkey only had mutas and near useless corrupters. But it seemed like he made the right strategic decisions, to hold out for the win. Nice spread on his sunkens, protecting his 3rd and the 2nd.
It used to be a really strong PvT timing attack. The mass gateways were necessary to hold pressure from Soulkey and to protect the exposed third. Trap could have possible gone for tech instead of mass gateways (but minimum of 5) but Soulkey would then have the chance to mass expand and take the whole map because he was already building the spire. Hard to say what Trap should have done because the semi all in almost worked. He should have gone to the third, forcefielded off reinforcements, and taken down the third while recalling out.
On June 22 2013 12:30 jalstar wrote: So I just tuned in to see a 3 base toss pull probes against a 3 base zerg. I'm assuming I missed something.
Trap did a Mamacore 1 zealot 1 stalker push to scare Soulkey, allowing Trap to take a 7 minute third base. He used that for a mass gateway (8 I think) timing attack, but Soulkey was able to hold while transitioning to Mutas. Trap went for blink and mass stalkers, and Soulkey wasn't able to do much damage with the mutas but was able to keep Trap on 3 bases. A semi base race ensued, but Soulkey lost his 3rd, 4th, and 5th bases. Trap lost his 4th soon after and was mining out since his 3rd was so early. Soulkey retook a fresher third, and defended it with mass muta and spinecrawler. Trap couldn't expand because of the large muta ball and attacked, but couldn't break through despite the probe pull.
I only caught the last part when both players were down to 3 bases. A bit lazy to watch the game, doesn't sound interesting.
Please indulge my curiosity. Trap took a quick 3rd. Would he better playing more macro and teching up, instead of going for a semi-all-in?
Seemed odd in the end Soulkey only had mutas and near useless corrupters. But it seemed like he made the right strategic decisions, to hold out for the win. Nice spread on his sunkens, protecting his 3rd and the 2nd.
Quick third into gateway all-in is a common strategy. It was especially used a lot on entombed valley in WoL. It's meant to catch the opponent offguard as your opponent is droning in response to your fast third.
Thanks. Sounds like a Soul train without robo support. So what did Soulkey did right to hold, or Trap did wrong to botch it?
Soulkey held off Trap on top of the ramp. If he had let Trap up, game would have been over since Trap could have easily sectioned off the third and natural. Soulkey was very patient in gathering forces, pushing Trap back, and retreating when necessary. Trap should have gone to the third through the other path instead. He traded units for units, which is usually a bad idea. He did kill a lot of drones (he was 10 probes up after the attack), but lost most of his army and had no tech behind the attack, and a lot of resources wasted on the only three bases that were easy to take. Trap did ok, but would fall behind in time due to the wasted resources.
On June 22 2013 12:53 RKC wrote: free is such a joy to watch. Solid, almost Rain-like. Such a pity he and herO (the CJ one) aren't stronger in individual tourneys.
But that's just it, he's always been solid and not exceptional, that's why he's the only dragon who's never been to an individual league finals. (or proleague before this season)
On June 22 2013 12:56 Shellshock1122 wrote: I did my best to save Woongjin from the end season slump by switching back to Prime icon. so far so good
Classic has been one of the best players in all of Proleague since Hots. I'd say he's probably the best Protoss. Even better than Rain (who he beat, convincingly, in lategame PvP), at least right now.
He has not lost a game vT and vZ, and is 3-2 in PvP.
On June 22 2013 12:30 jalstar wrote: So I just tuned in to see a 3 base toss pull probes against a 3 base zerg. I'm assuming I missed something.
Trap did a Mamacore 1 zealot 1 stalker push to scare Soulkey, allowing Trap to take a 7 minute third base. He used that for a mass gateway (8 I think) timing attack, but Soulkey was able to hold while transitioning to Mutas. Trap went for blink and mass stalkers, and Soulkey wasn't able to do much damage with the mutas but was able to keep Trap on 3 bases. A semi base race ensued, but Soulkey lost his 3rd, 4th, and 5th bases. Trap lost his 4th soon after and was mining out since his 3rd was so early. Soulkey retook a fresher third, and defended it with mass muta and spinecrawler. Trap couldn't expand because of the large muta ball and attacked, but couldn't break through despite the probe pull.
I only caught the last part when both players were down to 3 bases. A bit lazy to watch the game, doesn't sound interesting.
Please indulge my curiosity. Trap took a quick 3rd. Would he better playing more macro and teching up, instead of going for a semi-all-in?
Seemed odd in the end Soulkey only had mutas and near useless corrupters. But it seemed like he made the right strategic decisions, to hold out for the win. Nice spread on his sunkens, protecting his 3rd and the 2nd.
It used to be a really strong PvT timing attack. The mass gateways were necessary to hold pressure from Soulkey and to protect the exposed third. Trap could have possible gone for tech instead of mass gateways (but minimum of 5) but Soulkey would then have the chance to mass expand and take the whole map because he was already building the spire. Hard to say what Trap should have done because the semi all in almost worked. He should have gone to the third, forcefielded off reinforcements, and taken down the third while recalling out.
On June 22 2013 12:30 jalstar wrote: So I just tuned in to see a 3 base toss pull probes against a 3 base zerg. I'm assuming I missed something.
Trap did a Mamacore 1 zealot 1 stalker push to scare Soulkey, allowing Trap to take a 7 minute third base. He used that for a mass gateway (8 I think) timing attack, but Soulkey was able to hold while transitioning to Mutas. Trap went for blink and mass stalkers, and Soulkey wasn't able to do much damage with the mutas but was able to keep Trap on 3 bases. A semi base race ensued, but Soulkey lost his 3rd, 4th, and 5th bases. Trap lost his 4th soon after and was mining out since his 3rd was so early. Soulkey retook a fresher third, and defended it with mass muta and spinecrawler. Trap couldn't expand because of the large muta ball and attacked, but couldn't break through despite the probe pull.
I only caught the last part when both players were down to 3 bases. A bit lazy to watch the game, doesn't sound interesting.
Please indulge my curiosity. Trap took a quick 3rd. Would he better playing more macro and teching up, instead of going for a semi-all-in?
Seemed odd in the end Soulkey only had mutas and near useless corrupters. But it seemed like he made the right strategic decisions, to hold out for the win. Nice spread on his sunkens, protecting his 3rd and the 2nd.
Quick third into gateway all-in is a common strategy. It was especially used a lot on entombed valley in WoL. It's meant to catch the opponent offguard as your opponent is droning in response to your fast third.
Thanks. Sounds like a Soul train without robo support. So what did Soulkey did right to hold, or Trap did wrong to botch it?
Soulkey held off Trap on top of the ramp. If he had let Trap up, game would have been over since Trap could have easily sectioned off the third and natural. Soulkey was very patient in gathering forces, pushing Trap back, and retreating when necessary. Trap should have gone to the third through the other path instead. He traded units for units, which is usually a bad idea. He did kill a lot of drones (he was 10 probes up after the attack), but lost most of his army and had no tech behind the attack, and a lot of resources wasted on the only three bases that were easy to take. Trap did ok, but would fall behind in time due to the wasted resources.
That's something about Soulkey which I love about him. A straight-up, solid macro Zerg. A Flash equivalent of a Zerg? (in terms of play style, that is, not equivalent as in bonj... er, better stop here). I mean, I like aggressive Zergs who can 6pool and 10pool, but the methodological style of Soulkey is really refreshing. Too bad he falls prey to cheesy plays in early game (such as his recent losses against sOs and Hero of TL), just like Flash. That's a gap in his game he should remedy.
On June 22 2013 12:59 lichter wrote: Classic has been one of the best players in all of Proleague since Hots. I'd say he's probably the best Protoss. Even better than Rain (who he beat, convincingly, in lategame PvP), at least right now.
He has not lost a game vT and vZ, and is 3-2 in PvP.
On June 22 2013 12:59 lichter wrote: Classic has been one of the best players in all of Proleague since Hots. I'd say he's probably the best Protoss. Even better than Rain (who he beat, convincingly, in lategame PvP), at least right now.
He has not lost a game vT and vZ, and is 3-2 in PvP.
On June 22 2013 12:59 lichter wrote: Classic has been one of the best players in all of Proleague since Hots. I'd say he's probably the best Protoss. Even better than Rain (who he beat, convincingly, in lategame PvP), at least right now.
He has not lost a game vT and vZ, and is 3-2 in PvP.
On June 22 2013 13:08 lichter wrote: Gonna go have a quick lunch. Someone clearly post who won so I can update the thread on my phone ty
Just curious, where you from? It's almost lunch time for me, too.
It's such a dilemma, during Proleague weekend, on timing one's lunch. If I wait till the first game to finish, my stomach starts protesting. So yeah, I have to catch lunches between sets, sometimes.
On June 22 2013 13:21 RKC wrote: sOs is such a troll. If Dark Shrine gets scouted, continue building DTs. If proxy fails, continue proxy-ing. He's got balls.
He's a "casual" player which apparently translates to not giving a fuck and winning with style.
On June 22 2013 13:21 RKC wrote: sOs is such a troll. If Dark Shrine gets scouted, continue building DTs. If proxy fails, continue proxy-ing. He's got balls.
He's a "casual" player which apparently translates to not giving a fuck and winning with style.
I wonder if he even truly plans his build, or once the game starts, he's like "OK, fuck it, I'm gonna do some random shit now".
On June 22 2013 14:06 Seeker wrote: What happened Flying vs INnoVation?
Bogus went for hellbat drops. Only about one medivac was able to unload, and that didn't do any real damage, while another 2 or so go shot down without doing anything. Meanwhile flying hid a twilight council then went for a blink allin with warp prism off 2 bases.
On June 22 2013 14:06 Seeker wrote: What happened Flying vs INnoVation?
Bogus went for hellbat drops. Only about one medivac was able to unload, and that didn't do any real damage, while another 2 or so go shot down without doing anything. Meanwhile flying hid a twilight council then went for a blink allin with warp prism off 2 bases.
ouch, that sounds deadly lol. I'm sure Innovation will bounce back. Sad that STX went down 4-0 though :/
On June 22 2013 14:06 Seeker wrote: What happened Flying vs INnoVation?
Bogus went for hellbat drops. Only about one medivac was able to unload, and that didn't do any real damage, while another 2 or so go shot down without doing anything. Meanwhile flying hid a twilight council then went for a blink allin with warp prism off 2 bases.
I wonder why hellbat-terran hasn´t been a thing, yet. I mean patchzergs are still all the rage.
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