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On June 18 2013 12:00 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 11:37 lichter wrote:On June 18 2013 11:31 GolemMadness wrote:On June 18 2013 11:30 lichter wrote:
Well they call it WCS KR first and Auction All Kill Starleague second.
Unfortunately you can't fit all of that in a thread title. "[WCS KR] Auction All Kill OSL Ro32 Grp A&B 2013 S2" is really the best you can do, but that feels really really cramped Because they have to, though. I know, and I still don't want to call it WCS KR first. We are allowed to call it anything, really. However I don't agree with people suggesting "OSL" has more cachet than "WCS KR" on this forum. Most of the people watching and reading the LR thread are going to be SC2-only fans and not BW fans, and they will not recognize "OSL". For functionality's sake it needs to be called "WCS KR", but for nostalgia and consistency, should be called "OSL" (since we still call GSL the GSL). So vote bros so we can decide. Why you have to separate sc2-only fans and bw fans?. Hows about pre-WCS fans and WCS fans then, does it make even more sense? And why I find it stupid, have you ever seen something like ATP Tour Wimbledon, PGA Tour The Open? The circuit name has never been seen in the same tag as the tournament's
it's a functional divide that makes sense, that's why. and OSL/GSL is not quite the level of prestige or general knowledge of wimbeldon lol
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 18 2013 12:00 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 11:37 lichter wrote:On June 18 2013 11:31 GolemMadness wrote:On June 18 2013 11:30 lichter wrote:
Well they call it WCS KR first and Auction All Kill Starleague second.
Unfortunately you can't fit all of that in a thread title. "[WCS KR] Auction All Kill OSL Ro32 Grp A&B 2013 S2" is really the best you can do, but that feels really really cramped Because they have to, though. I know, and I still don't want to call it WCS KR first. We are allowed to call it anything, really. However I don't agree with people suggesting "OSL" has more cachet than "WCS KR" on this forum. Most of the people watching and reading the LR thread are going to be SC2-only fans and not BW fans, and they will not recognize "OSL". For functionality's sake it needs to be called "WCS KR", but for nostalgia and consistency, should be called "OSL" (since we still call GSL the GSL). So vote bros so we can decide. Why you have to separate sc2-only fans and bw fans?. Hows about pre-WCS fans and WCS fans then, does it make even more sense? And why I find it stupid, have you ever seen something like ATP Tour Wimbledon, PGA Tour The Open? The circuit name has never been seen in the same tag as the tournament's name (cuz everybody knows)
Don't get mad at me, man. I advocated for [OSL] to be the main title. But there is no way that WCS KR should not be in the title, because this OSL is part of WCS KR. Not everyone will be aware of that and it must therefore be mentioned in the title. And like I mentioned, there is no way to fit Auction All Kill Starleague, WCS Korea, and the year, group names, and season, all in one title. Of course we want the title to be complete. Unfortunately the site does not allow it. That's why there has to be a compromise, and a lot of acronyms.
Your tennis comparison is inaccurate. The reason why WCS KR needs to be mentioned, at least for this season (as I argued), is to raise awareness that OSL is part of the WCS KR tour. Not everyone is aware of this, unlike your example which you mention everyone knows about. This case, most people don't know; your case, everyone knows. Big difference.
On June 18 2013 12:01 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 11:27 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 18 2013 11:24 revoN wrote:
This is OSL not WCS KR. OSL is the most prestigious tournament no matter what Blizzard says. It actually is WCS KR And as for prestige the OSL is somewhere between WCS AM and the GSTL (the last OSL anyway) in SC2. No one even cares anymore about the last OSL. OSL's prestige is built upon years of eSports history. Refusing to acknowledge this history and switching games changes nothing. Blizzard including OSL in the WCS KR calendar should tell you something.
No one is arguing that the OSL brand means nothing. Of course it is important, and of course everyone wants to keep it. But we have to find a way to properly incorporate it into the title, because it is part of WCS KR. OSL should still be the main title, but it should be mentioned that it is part of WCS KR.
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On June 18 2013 11:37 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 11:31 GolemMadness wrote:On June 18 2013 11:30 lichter wrote:
Well they call it WCS KR first and Auction All Kill Starleague second.
Unfortunately you can't fit all of that in a thread title. "[WCS KR] Auction All Kill OSL Ro32 Grp A&B 2013 S2" is really the best you can do, but that feels really really cramped Because they have to, though. I know, and I still don't want to call it WCS KR first. We are allowed to call it anything, really. However I don't agree with people suggesting "OSL" has more cachet than "WCS KR" on this forum. Most of the people watching and reading the LR thread are going to be SC2-only fans and not BW fans, and they will not recognize "OSL". For functionality's sake it needs to be called "WCS KR", but for nostalgia and consistency, should be called "OSL" (since we still call GSL the GSL). So vote bros so we can decide.
The thing is, OSL and GSL are still separate tournaments, each run by different organizations and with their own rules. The main difference now is that OSL and GSL take turns in being recognized as WCS KR by Blizzard.
This is very different from WCS NA, where MLG created an event specifically with the purpose to be the WCS tournament.
Thus, my suggestion is:
* [OSL] Ro32 Groups A&B (2013 WCS KR Season 2)
This clearly shows what the tournament is, with WCS KR as an informational note.
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Norway25712 Posts
Awwww uiss, it's the OSL!
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On June 18 2013 12:04 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 12:00 Arceus wrote:On June 18 2013 11:37 lichter wrote:On June 18 2013 11:31 GolemMadness wrote:On June 18 2013 11:30 lichter wrote:
Well they call it WCS KR first and Auction All Kill Starleague second.
Unfortunately you can't fit all of that in a thread title. "[WCS KR] Auction All Kill OSL Ro32 Grp A&B 2013 S2" is really the best you can do, but that feels really really cramped Because they have to, though. I know, and I still don't want to call it WCS KR first. We are allowed to call it anything, really. However I don't agree with people suggesting "OSL" has more cachet than "WCS KR" on this forum. Most of the people watching and reading the LR thread are going to be SC2-only fans and not BW fans, and they will not recognize "OSL". For functionality's sake it needs to be called "WCS KR", but for nostalgia and consistency, should be called "OSL" (since we still call GSL the GSL). So vote bros so we can decide. Why you have to separate sc2-only fans and bw fans?. Hows about pre-WCS fans and WCS fans then, does it make even more sense? And why I find it stupid, have you ever seen something like ATP Tour Wimbledon, PGA Tour The Open? The circuit name has never been seen in the same tag as the tournament's it's a functional divide that makes sense, that's why. and OSL/GSL is not quite the level of prestige or general knowledge of wimbeldon lol
Who the fuck cares about wimbledon.
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On June 18 2013 12:14 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 11:37 lichter wrote:On June 18 2013 11:31 GolemMadness wrote:On June 18 2013 11:30 lichter wrote:
Well they call it WCS KR first and Auction All Kill Starleague second.
Unfortunately you can't fit all of that in a thread title. "[WCS KR] Auction All Kill OSL Ro32 Grp A&B 2013 S2" is really the best you can do, but that feels really really cramped Because they have to, though. I know, and I still don't want to call it WCS KR first. We are allowed to call it anything, really. However I don't agree with people suggesting "OSL" has more cachet than "WCS KR" on this forum. Most of the people watching and reading the LR thread are going to be SC2-only fans and not BW fans, and they will not recognize "OSL". For functionality's sake it needs to be called "WCS KR", but for nostalgia and consistency, should be called "OSL" (since we still call GSL the GSL). So vote bros so we can decide. The thing is, OSL and GSL are still separate tournaments, each run by different organizations and with their own rules. The main difference now is that OSL and GSL take turns in being recognized as WCS KR by Blizzard. This is very different from WCS NA, where MLG created an event specifically with the purpose to be the WCS tournament. Thus, my suggestion is: * [OSL] Ro32 Groups A&B (2013 WCS KR Season 2) This clearly shows what the tournament is, with WCS KR as an informational note.
That's the leading option in the poll in the OP, without the ( ) that is.
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On June 18 2013 12:06 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 12:00 Arceus wrote:On June 18 2013 11:37 lichter wrote:On June 18 2013 11:31 GolemMadness wrote:On June 18 2013 11:30 lichter wrote:
Well they call it WCS KR first and Auction All Kill Starleague second.
Unfortunately you can't fit all of that in a thread title. "[WCS KR] Auction All Kill OSL Ro32 Grp A&B 2013 S2" is really the best you can do, but that feels really really cramped Because they have to, though. I know, and I still don't want to call it WCS KR first. We are allowed to call it anything, really. However I don't agree with people suggesting "OSL" has more cachet than "WCS KR" on this forum. Most of the people watching and reading the LR thread are going to be SC2-only fans and not BW fans, and they will not recognize "OSL". For functionality's sake it needs to be called "WCS KR", but for nostalgia and consistency, should be called "OSL" (since we still call GSL the GSL). So vote bros so we can decide. Why you have to separate sc2-only fans and bw fans?. Hows about pre-WCS fans and WCS fans then, does it make even more sense? And why I find it stupid, have you ever seen something like ATP Tour Wimbledon, PGA Tour The Open? The circuit name has never been seen in the same tag as the tournament's name (cuz everybody knows) Don't get mad at me, man. I advocated for [OSL] to be the main title. But there is no way that WCS KR should not be in the title, because this OSL is part of WCS KR. Not everyone will be aware of that and it must therefore be mentioned in the title. And like I mentioned, there is no way to fit Auction All Kill Starleague, WCS Korea, and the year, group names, and season, all in one title. Of course we want the title to be complete. Unfortunately the site does not allow it. That's why there has to be a compromise, and a lot of acronyms. Your tennis comparison is inaccurate. The reason why WCS KR needs to be mentioned, at least for this season (as I argued), is to raise awareness that OSL is part of the WCS KR tour. Not everyone is aware of this, unlike your example which you mention everyone knows about. This case, most people don't know; your case, everyone knows. Big difference.
You can easily be aware of the whole WCS thingy if you follow the scene half-closely, it's all over IGN, Gamespot, Teamliquid and whatnot.
However it's actually the OSL that is need be raised awareness for. Like you've said, some "sc2-only" fans do not know how big it is. But this way, people will only acknowledge WCS - the circuit name, instead of OGN - the actual prestigious league, the dream of Korean starcraft players.
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Norway25712 Posts
If the GSL is still e GSL, the OSL should stll be the OSL, for consistency. How this is a discussion at all is beyond me.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 18 2013 12:14 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 11:37 lichter wrote:On June 18 2013 11:31 GolemMadness wrote:On June 18 2013 11:30 lichter wrote:
Well they call it WCS KR first and Auction All Kill Starleague second.
Unfortunately you can't fit all of that in a thread title. "[WCS KR] Auction All Kill OSL Ro32 Grp A&B 2013 S2" is really the best you can do, but that feels really really cramped Because they have to, though. I know, and I still don't want to call it WCS KR first. We are allowed to call it anything, really. However I don't agree with people suggesting "OSL" has more cachet than "WCS KR" on this forum. Most of the people watching and reading the LR thread are going to be SC2-only fans and not BW fans, and they will not recognize "OSL". For functionality's sake it needs to be called "WCS KR", but for nostalgia and consistency, should be called "OSL" (since we still call GSL the GSL). So vote bros so we can decide. The thing is, OSL and GSL are still separate tournaments, each run by different organizations and with their own rules. The main difference now is that OSL and GSL take turns in being recognized as WCS KR by Blizzard. This is very different from WCS NA, where MLG created an event specifically with the purpose to be the WCS tournament. Thus, my suggestion is: * [OSL] Ro32 Groups A&B (2013 WCS KR Season 2) This clearly shows what the tournament is, with WCS KR as an informational note.
Errr. If you read through the thread you'll realize that is exactly what I suggested and advocated for. -_-'' I even mentioned that since GSL gets its own tag, OSL should too. Read through the thread and you'll see how you are just arguing with me because I am letting people decide by stating all possible arguments. I was even the one who made the poll.
On June 18 2013 12:19 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 12:06 lichter wrote:On June 18 2013 12:00 Arceus wrote:On June 18 2013 11:37 lichter wrote:On June 18 2013 11:31 GolemMadness wrote:On June 18 2013 11:30 lichter wrote:
Well they call it WCS KR first and Auction All Kill Starleague second.
Unfortunately you can't fit all of that in a thread title. "[WCS KR] Auction All Kill OSL Ro32 Grp A&B 2013 S2" is really the best you can do, but that feels really really cramped Because they have to, though. I know, and I still don't want to call it WCS KR first. We are allowed to call it anything, really. However I don't agree with people suggesting "OSL" has more cachet than "WCS KR" on this forum. Most of the people watching and reading the LR thread are going to be SC2-only fans and not BW fans, and they will not recognize "OSL". For functionality's sake it needs to be called "WCS KR", but for nostalgia and consistency, should be called "OSL" (since we still call GSL the GSL). So vote bros so we can decide. Why you have to separate sc2-only fans and bw fans?. Hows about pre-WCS fans and WCS fans then, does it make even more sense? And why I find it stupid, have you ever seen something like ATP Tour Wimbledon, PGA Tour The Open? The circuit name has never been seen in the same tag as the tournament's name (cuz everybody knows) Don't get mad at me, man. I advocated for [OSL] to be the main title. But there is no way that WCS KR should not be in the title, because this OSL is part of WCS KR. Not everyone will be aware of that and it must therefore be mentioned in the title. And like I mentioned, there is no way to fit Auction All Kill Starleague, WCS Korea, and the year, group names, and season, all in one title. Of course we want the title to be complete. Unfortunately the site does not allow it. That's why there has to be a compromise, and a lot of acronyms. Your tennis comparison is inaccurate. The reason why WCS KR needs to be mentioned, at least for this season (as I argued), is to raise awareness that OSL is part of the WCS KR tour. Not everyone is aware of this, unlike your example which you mention everyone knows about. This case, most people don't know; your case, everyone knows. Big difference. You can easily be aware of the whole WCS thingy if you follow the scene half-closely, it's all over IGN, Gamespot, Teamliquid and whatnot. However it's actually the OSL that is need be raised awareness for. Like you've said, some "sc2-only" fans do not know how big it is. But this way, people will only acknowledge WCS - the circuit name, instead of OGN - the actual prestigious league, the dream of Korean starcraft players.
Yes, I also stated that the OSL brand needs more awareness among SC2 only fans, that's why it should be the main title. But WCS KR should still be prominent enough so that people are aware of the connection. Because of this we can only include "OSL" in the title and not "Auction All Kill Starleague", since the latter is too long and won't fit in the title.
I don't know why you guys are arguing with me lol you're just repeating what I already said, except I am giving people options and not dictatorially stating what should be done.
On June 18 2013 12:21 KristofferAG wrote:
If the GSL is still e GSL, the OSL should stll be the OSL, for consistency. How this is a discussion at all is beyond me.
That's what I said earlier, but it's never a bad thing to give people options since the LR thread is supposed to be a helpful tool for people. Therefore we should find out how it can be the most helpful.
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Norway25712 Posts
I accidentaly voted for the wcs tag.
I blame ipad.
It's a terrible idea to give people options. Most people re morons. :D
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 18 2013 12:25 KristofferAG wrote:
I accidentaly voted for the wcs tag.
I blame ipad.
It's a terrible idea to give people options. Most people re morons. :D
I'm actually Pro Benevolent Dictator and anti pure democracy
(obviously it should be me)
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Last time we gave someone absolute power on decisions regarding LR threads they became Seeker.
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On June 18 2013 12:32 Dodgin wrote:
Last time we gave someone absolute power on decisions regarding LR threads they became Seeker.
It has been proven time after time that LR thread is better off with bias & dictatorship
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After seeing the horrible production of the WCS Finals that OGN did. . .
I'm not hopeful. Maybe the games will be good.
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On June 18 2013 12:32 Dodgin wrote:
Last time we gave someone absolute power on decisions regarding LR threads they became Seeker.
So opty is more like a puppet master, indirectly controlling LRs
The bbcode might have some sinister hyponotic code making us love him so much
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On June 18 2013 12:34 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 12:32 Dodgin wrote:
Last time we gave someone absolute power on decisions regarding LR threads they became Seeker. It has been proven time after time that LR thread is better off with bias & dictatorship
Maybe I should just say fuck all of you and spam pictures of Bisu in the OP and not change the title, that sounds fun.
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On June 18 2013 12:46 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 12:34 Arceus wrote:On June 18 2013 12:32 Dodgin wrote:
Last time we gave someone absolute power on decisions regarding LR threads they became Seeker. It has been proven time after time that LR thread is better off with bias & dictatorship Maybe I should just say fuck all of you and spam pictures of Bisu in the OP and not change the title, that sounds fun.
Bisu is a wallaby
Wallabisu
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On June 18 2013 12:22 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 12:14 VManOfMana wrote:On June 18 2013 11:37 lichter wrote:On June 18 2013 11:31 GolemMadness wrote:On June 18 2013 11:30 lichter wrote:
Well they call it WCS KR first and Auction All Kill Starleague second.
Unfortunately you can't fit all of that in a thread title. "[WCS KR] Auction All Kill OSL Ro32 Grp A&B 2013 S2" is really the best you can do, but that feels really really cramped Because they have to, though. I know, and I still don't want to call it WCS KR first. We are allowed to call it anything, really. However I don't agree with people suggesting "OSL" has more cachet than "WCS KR" on this forum. Most of the people watching and reading the LR thread are going to be SC2-only fans and not BW fans, and they will not recognize "OSL". For functionality's sake it needs to be called "WCS KR", but for nostalgia and consistency, should be called "OSL" (since we still call GSL the GSL). So vote bros so we can decide. The thing is, OSL and GSL are still separate tournaments, each run by different organizations and with their own rules. The main difference now is that OSL and GSL take turns in being recognized as WCS KR by Blizzard. This is very different from WCS NA, where MLG created an event specifically with the purpose to be the WCS tournament. Thus, my suggestion is: * [OSL] Ro32 Groups A&B (2013 WCS KR Season 2) This clearly shows what the tournament is, with WCS KR as an informational note. Errr. If you read through the thread you'll realize that is exactly what I suggested and advocated for. -_-'' I even mentioned that since GSL gets its own tag, OSL should too. Read through the thread and you'll see how you are just arguing with me because I am letting people decide by stating all possible arguments. I was even the one who made the poll.
I am quoting you because your post is relevant to what I posted, not because I am arguing with you. Plus, we may have similar suggestions, but different rationale. I am not suggesting "OSL" because it has more cache, nostalgia, consistency, functionality or awareness; just correctness.
P.S. I do read threads. There is a reason why my posts per day ratio is low.
On June 18 2013 12:19 Dodgin wrote:
That's the leading option in the poll in the OP, without the ( ) that is.
The parenthesis can make the title more readable, and puts further emphasis on the fact this is the OSL.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 18 2013 12:48 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 12:22 lichter wrote:On June 18 2013 12:14 VManOfMana wrote:On June 18 2013 11:37 lichter wrote:On June 18 2013 11:31 GolemMadness wrote:On June 18 2013 11:30 lichter wrote:
Well they call it WCS KR first and Auction All Kill Starleague second.
Unfortunately you can't fit all of that in a thread title. "[WCS KR] Auction All Kill OSL Ro32 Grp A&B 2013 S2" is really the best you can do, but that feels really really cramped Because they have to, though. I know, and I still don't want to call it WCS KR first. We are allowed to call it anything, really. However I don't agree with people suggesting "OSL" has more cachet than "WCS KR" on this forum. Most of the people watching and reading the LR thread are going to be SC2-only fans and not BW fans, and they will not recognize "OSL". For functionality's sake it needs to be called "WCS KR", but for nostalgia and consistency, should be called "OSL" (since we still call GSL the GSL). So vote bros so we can decide. The thing is, OSL and GSL are still separate tournaments, each run by different organizations and with their own rules. The main difference now is that OSL and GSL take turns in being recognized as WCS KR by Blizzard. This is very different from WCS NA, where MLG created an event specifically with the purpose to be the WCS tournament. Thus, my suggestion is: * [OSL] Ro32 Groups A&B (2013 WCS KR Season 2) This clearly shows what the tournament is, with WCS KR as an informational note. Errr. If you read through the thread you'll realize that is exactly what I suggested and advocated for. -_-'' I even mentioned that since GSL gets its own tag, OSL should too. Read through the thread and you'll see how you are just arguing with me because I am letting people decide by stating all possible arguments. I was even the one who made the poll. I am quoting you because your post is relevant to what I posted, not because I am arguing with you. Plus, we may have similar suggestions, but different rationale. I am not suggesting "OSL" because it has more cache, nostalgia, consistency, functionality or awareness; just correctness. P.S. I do read threads. There is a reason why my posts per day ratio is low. Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 12:19 Dodgin wrote:
That's the leading option in the poll in the OP, without the ( ) that is.
The parenthesis can make the title more readable, and puts further emphasis on the fact this is the OSL.
My main argument is actually uniformity, since I have dubbed myself LR Thread Standardization Committee Chairman
which I will add to my profile now
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